Mafia 42: Italian - Game over!

[zu_Faul]

Vote Illumina

. You said you were tempted to vote for Brian but didn't do it. And you didn't even say you had something agianst him? At this stage of the game it is very important to tell every minor detail you find.

[zu_Faul]

This is no reason for me to believe you are town. You seem the most scummy to me. Although it's hard to see when everyone is yelling "Bullshit!"

Unvote Illumina, vote: Pooky

Is it helpful to pick someone and accuse them of something, when 2 more persons also did it? And then ignore these persons? They also mentioned Brian in a only slightly less aligning way.
You also refuse to answer BJ in a acceptable manner. You only say "craplogic. Everyone else look who is more crappy. Bullshit, Bullshit lalala" (and the chorus responds "Bullshit", but is this another thing). And you try to direct the spotlight to Jabroni. Not always bad, but he is not scummy in any way.

[zu_Faul]

I'm not so sure of Pooky anymore, but he seems still the scummiest.
But I don't like how Jabroni is saying "I still think Pooky is very scummy, but I think I can unvote for now".

FOS: Jabroni

If he is scum together with Pooky, he can later say "I was against Pooky on Day 1!" without really being it.

[zu_Faul]

waiting for vote count

[zu_Faul]

Unvote: Pooky, Vote: Illumina

You don't give answers to the points JSexton made. You are talking of different things than him.

[zu_Faul]

zu_Faul, how did I not address his points...?

He talked about you analyzing how solid your play was.
And you say that the No Lynch reason against you is good. I think it's OK for you if I vote you because of that (of course not as the only reason).

FOS: Gonzo

Why do you vote Pooky?

[zu_Faul]

I think this makes you not a target, because you can hide at night. Mafia will rather kill someone they can be sure they kill. Also a Watcher isn't this powerful, only under circumstances.

[zu_Faul]

Sorry for double post, but I was a bit fast.

That said, if I believed your claim. I, like d8p, expected a doc claim after your comments. It seems too unlikely to me.
The role isn't that powerful, because it also gets Docs and Vigs and Cops in the same group as Mafia. And if you watch a non-kiling mafia member he seems to be a townie.

[zu_Faul]

It's also a provable role... if we have a vig, he can shoot him tonight.

This is the important part. Why lynch someone if we can test him? If he's lying he's dead tonight, if he's speaking the truth he is still here tomorrow. As long as no docs or cops target him this can safe us a possibly wrong lynch.

Unvote Illumina

You are right.

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Vote Blackberry

[page 14]
Post 1: Unvotes Illumina, says he believes him.
Post2: Says He isn't sure about Illumina IN A DOUBLEPOST!
Post3: Says he beleives Illumina. Says he doubts it a bit

because Illumina is a newbie

and because his role isn't on the wiki. Says he will be dead soon.
Post4: Says he won't kill himself.

He wants to sound like he has a powerful pro-town role. And he doesn't vote Illumina but spreads a bit of doubt over him. He seems like the Mafia Doc to Illumina! And just tries to sound as much pro-town as possible. Very scummy.

[zu_Faul]

Post3: Says he beleives Illumina. Says he doubts it a bit

because Illumina is a newbie

and because his role isn't on the wiki. Says he will be dead soon.

In Post 3 I do not say I believe Illumnia. Maybe you need to read better.

Nevermind.

Unvote Blackberry

[zu_Faul]

What is so incredible about it?

[zu_Faul]

Nothing, really. This wagon never sat well with me. At first I got what JSexton was saying, but I think Illumina has defended himself well enough.

Vote: JSexton

Why do you vote him? Just because he made a few (well, a lot) of points agianst Illumina? That's scummy.

I'm up for a Pooky wagon.

I'm up for a Jabroni wagon.

Vote: Jabroni2000

[zu_Faul]

Unvote Jabroni

Stupid me, forgot he had already claimed... but still

IGMEOY Jabroni

Vote Gonzo

He is less helpful than BJ, who at least tries to bring arguments into the debate sometimes.

[zu_Faul]

Don't you think this bandwagon on Firtzler goes a bit fast?
I dunno, I leave my vote. This went too fast.

[zu_Faul]

Hmhm... don't know what to make out of it... Illumina, have you got any results? Or did you hide?
If got a... unconventional solution to the problem above... if Blackberry really only is townie, couldn't we jsut lynch him? If he is cult leader, we would see, if he is town, we don't lose much. But we don't have the chance of lynching scum...
I'll wait with my vote until more checked in. Espacially Gonzo.

[zu_Faul]

Vote Gonzo

He still seems scummy to me.

[zu_Faul]

also, why the lump on the head for Vesuvan?

Maybe there's a role who can hit someone on the head each night... it could change nightchoices for example, or in the case of a townie/mason make thme unable to post, or do both to powerroles...
I don't think we should let Gonzo loose... if we continue this EVERYONE has claimed and nothing happens...

[zu_Faul]

unvote: Gonzo

after being confirmed by Vesuvan.

[zu_Faul]

Do you speak about me?
What is so suspicious about me, Yosarian?
That I said we should lynch Gonzo? He wasn't confirmed at that point!

[zu_Faul]

I don't like it to make a post just consisting of Unvote, Vote, so I'll give a comment.

[zu_Faul]

Vote Tony Montana

At first you hop on this bandwagon, then you leave it after a few tell they don't like it. You don't give any reasons for your voting, besides that you like lynching Pooky. But Pooky can't be scum in every game. You are not searching to find scum. This is sheep-y. Additionally I won't follow BJ, if he doesn't even gives reasons other than gut feeling (at least it seems like this).

[zu_Faul]

Unvote Gonzo, Vote PookyTheMagicalBear

[damn I thought I was voting for Tony Montana... stupid unvote thing I forgot]

Lynch All Liars

[zu_Faul]

Opposing scum groups + vig + sk = not enough kills, guy.

What if there is no SK? Or no Vig killed? Another doc protected? Roleblocker? I think opposing scum groups could be possible.

FOS:BJ

[zu_Faul]

Opposing scum groups + vig + sk = not enough kills, guy.

What if there is no SK? Or no Vig killed? Another doc protected? Roleblocker? I think opposing scum groups could be possible.

FOS:BJ

didn't pooky turn up as the SK?

OK. Didn't think about this. But the other 3 points still stand.

[zu_Faul]

Mod

I would like to have a votecount, please, if it's not too hard to do.

Vote Iammars

for lurking.

[zu_Faul]

Iammars is still away. Am I the nly one who thinks lurker hunt may be better than lynch LB?

[zu_Faul]

I don't like this. I'm happy with my vote.

[zu_Faul]

Unvote
Vote: InHimShallIbe

You just want to kill LB. Way too stubborn.

[zu_Faul]

Unvote
Vote: InHimShallIbe
You just want to kill LB. Way too stubborn.

I just want someone to be lynched. Not a thing else is happening.

Yeah. then kill one of the participating ones instead of a lurker... nice strategy scum.

[zu_Faul]

Hey, someone smart!

[zu_Faul]

Hey, someone smart!

what means this....

I'm not the only one against Lurkers. Just after I stopped voting one of them you come out and do so. Bad timing, but I like it still.

And I rather have a swearing Zippy than a not-posting Swinkee.

Unvote InHimShallIBe, Vote: Swinkee
IGMEOY: InHim
FOS: LyingBrian

because of voting without an actual game-reason.

[zu_Faul]

They're not helpful.

[zu_Faul]

I don't think all of those players should be modkilled. Gonzo, for example, had 34 posts in 650, which gives him the average number in a 20-person game. I think he needs replacing. Swinkee and Nanook, well...OK.

Yeah, I remember Gonzo as very helpful...

An answer from Halo would be nice. It depends all on how he tries to perform the modkills. There are many possibilites...
If he kills all the lurkers at once we can go on with our normal game, just with some new info.

[zu_Faul]

Ha, the day before I had to lurk for a week, nice timing, scum.