don't expect much from me next few days
I believe we are wagoning CYANIDE
I don't have my role PM yet but dram already said I was replacing so
Getting a little jumpy there... could be that your scumbuddy is being wagoned in RVS and you want to convince the town to wagon someone else? Just seems like overreacting to RVS votes.Leafsnail wrote:I'm not sure how helpful plonking 4 random votes on the same person is. Surely just one will get the response?
Don't like this post at all, seems like he's trying to put pressure on players for random voting... in the RVS. That doesn't seem fair.Shrinehme wrote:@ Shadow / Chrono: Why use dice roll? Afraid someone's going to criticize your vote if you don't?
This is why people don't like you, FYI.SIR CYANIDE wrote:Lol, lovely start.
Vote: farside22for being female.
Not against the lynch? Then do you have a reason for not voting him? I get: "FoS: Buddy, waiting for a townie to screw up so I can vote them though." Do not like this kind of play at all.Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Do you possess a polysyllabic posting restriction, good sir?Blue wrote:This Sir Cyanide bandwagon does look like a paradigmatic juncture for the mafia to quicklynch an expedient exemplary, but I concur that we should dispose of him notwithstanding.
And,unvote
I would not be uncomfortable with a Sir Cyanide lynch.
Leafsnail wrote:@Konawa - I suppose I missed "of you" after the "all" in that sentence, but I would've thought context made it obvious I wasn't saying everyone was voting him. I'd like to know why you made up this quote, however.
Konowa wrote:I did not make any quote up.Leafsnail, post 49 wrote:One, I believe. As I say, in my opinion, the basic idea of the RVS is to get everyone down to the thread and talking,and all voting the same person(without even attempting to get any info from it) doesn't achieve that.
ITT Shrinehme doesn't understand RVS logic. That's nothing worthy of a vote, to tell you the truth. Trying to call his RVS logic scummy logic and then vote him for it is scummy logic itself.Shrinehme wrote:It's also safe and unhelpful.Chronopie wrote:random dice is random. Or broken
When did this happen?Blue wrote:I thought we agreed on mass lynching him due to his unpleasant and anti-feminist behaviour already.
No it doesn't make him more likely to be scum.Blue wrote:Also, the random number generator chose him twice (1/400 chance) which is a good enough reason for me to get rid of him immediately.
Vote: Blue
Rushing, anyone?Shrinehme wrote:Then why haven't you placed a non-random vote?Shattered Viewpoint wrote:I had a feeling we were about to leave the Random Stage.Konowa wrote:@Shattered: Why the unvote?
He's not pushing for the wagon, he RVS'ed onto it. Failing to realize this means the most likely:Shrinehme wrote:Well of course the consequences of lynching him isn't "x loses".
That's a sneaky way to neglect the fact that it will inevitably give the Town or Scum an unfair [debatable?] advantage.
Pushing a wagon for someone whom hasn't done anything particularly scummy is a good vote to me.
Agreed. Scenarios like this, where a player makes a greater case against Player A, a small point about Player B, and then votes Player B, is usually maf distancing from their partner and trying to get a townie lynch instead. It's in MY book of tells, if you must knowfarside22 wrote:Also why are you voting DTM in this post? It sounds like you find leaf scummier for his reaction to your bw.SIR CYANIDE wrote:Unvote
Vote: DTmasterfor saying this:
Also known as the 'u r not scumhuntin omgggg'-tell in SIR CYANIDE's book of pseudo-tells.Um. If you think that this BW isn't helping, why are you just critising about the wagonand not doing anything to actively scum hunt"in the correct way". You aren't doing a good job at leading by example here if you think this method is wrong.
Also, I would like to point out that leafsnail's post, expressing worry about all the votes on me, is something that is usually done by Mafia - they don't act naturally but try to replicate a townie's behavior (as all of you undoubtedly know), therefore they will usually reason that it is 'pro-town' to express worry.
Furthermore; whether you guys lynch me or not is not really up to me. If you would rather lynch me due to meta reasons (and those meta reasons being that I am an '''unpleasant player''', which absolutely does not correlate to being scummy) than someone else for pseudo-scummy/evasive behavior... Well, that is something you'd have to put on a risk/reward equivalent base.
I agree with the CYANIDE lynch but there's no need to rush it. We just lynch him once we're satisfied with the information we've generated D1. Quicklynching gets us nowhere, as we lose a day and lots of information if in-game days only last as long as IRL days.Blue wrote:We'll get it a hell of a lot faster by killing Cyanide, waiting out the night and entering discussion day 2.Leafsnail wrote:I really don't understand this logic. A townie wants to avoid suspicion but so does a mafia member. Sure, we don't have much information at the moment - but we certainly have a chance to create it today.
*headdesk*JacobSavage wrote:Vote: No Lynch[/b]
Nice chainsaw! Your reasoning to vote is terribad.Julano wrote:Konowa's challenges in 61 seem a bit, well, weak.
You're picking Blue's post apart quite thoroughly. You could do the same with this line: an appeal to emotion? overconfidence?Konowa wrote: Scum found on page three? Priceless.
unvote;
vote Blue
You're annoying me.Vote: Konowa
SIR CYANIDE wrote:Unvote
Vote: Konowa
No V/LA-faggotry for 5 days, that is unacceptable to me.
Anyone up for policy lynching him?
Do not agree with anything here. CYANIDE is a policy lynch and a great one - nothing more. It's not OMGUS, it's misogyny. He's not trying to start a wagon, he's just being a jerk. We're policy lynching him. If you read the thread you would see this. Looks like Meh is wagoning to me.MehPlusRawr wrote:Okay,unvote, vote: Sir Cyanidefor trying to start a bandwagon after there's already one on him. It looks as if he's really nervous and trying to get people to stop voting for him quickly. I also just realized that he OMGUS'd Farside.
I'd probably be okay with a lynch on him.
Don't worry, I always know who I'm voting.SIR CYANIDE wrote:You do realize you now have a vote on me right now, right? I'm not sure if it was intentional or if you already had a vote on me before that post, so I'm just making sure.unvote, vote: SIR CYANIDE
unvote, vote: SIR CYANIDE
unvote, vote: SIR CYANIDE
unvote, vote: SIR CYANIDE
unvote, vote: SIR CYANIDE
Therein lies the problem, because Konowa did not make the quote up. Why you would blatantly accuse him of lying like that when he was right makes no sense as town.Leafsnail wrote:@Konawa - I suppose I missed "of you" after the "all" in that sentence, but I would've thought context made it obvious I wasn't saying everyone was voting him.I'd like to know why you made up this quote, however.
I know!SIR CYANIDE wrote:You were already voting for me.Parama wrote:unvote, vote: SIR CYANIDE
Leafsnail tomorrow, we agreed to policy lynch SIR CYANIDE D1 in the sign-ups thread and there's good reason to (if you're reading this thread at all should be obvious.)Fate wrote:Guys, Parama just "double HOS'd" Leafsnail, but his vote is on the joke/policy wagon.
Unvote:
Vote: Parama
Am I missing something here?
I'm sure there's scum on the wagon regardless of whether CYANIDE is maf or town.Fate wrote:That said, I know scum is on his wagon pushing a policy lynch, yours is above and beyond the worse example of this, for more reasons than I care to list. Everyone on this lynch vs. off it is basically, "I believe in policy lynches/I don't/I hate Sir C." aka, we won't have shit to go off D2.
Both die either way? I dunno. If you REALLY want to wait until night to get rid of him, I'd be willing to abandon the wagon for my Leafsnail case. Still don't see why the order matters... the only thing that could possibly change both dying in my scenario is a mafia doctor being on Leafsnail. But that requires for a maf doc to be in the game, and I'm not sure how common that is.Fate wrote:You realized you just called for a vig on the SCUM and a lynch on a coinflip.
Has he done an ounce of scumhunting yet?Shrinehme wrote:oh.Parama wrote:SIR CYANIDE is anti-town.
how?
I like it when mafia games are taken seriously, thank you.Henry Hathaway wrote:Everyone here is a scum.
Vote: Henry Hathaway
What information are we losing if Leafsnail is vigged and CYANIDE is lynched? (seriously, I don't know, if there's something I'm missing here feel free to explain it)Fate wrote:You don't see how the order matters? How much more info do you think we will gain by lynching a "jackass" over "scum"?
Not particularly interested in appeasing anyone. I'll vote for who I want to vote, thank you.Fate wrote:Also this quote Fateparaphrased: "If you REALLY want me to appease you, I'll abandon my policy lynch and actually vote who I think is scum, fine."
The RVS logic is the dice roll landing on him twice, which you used as one of your points against Blue.Shrinehme wrote:What about that is what you consider "RVS logic"? And even if it were "RVS logic", why should we just let it slide and not hold him accountable for what he does just because it's "RVS logic"?
Hmm... I find myself agreeing with your point here. Though I still don't think pressuring people early in the game is good, in context your argument makes sense.Shrinehme wrote:I mean, if he thinks the RVS is over, then that means he should have a non-random position onsomeoneorsomething. I'd have liked to see his thoughts, rather than seeing him declare the RVS over and then back away, waiting for other players to start non-RVS discussion and accusations for him.
Wouldn'tyouhave liked to see a vote from him?
It's more of a potential scumlink at the moment, but if CYANIDE is scum (which I have no clue on either way) then it's something to look at tomorrow.Shrinehme wrote:HeParama wrote: b) You want to get the wagon off of your scumbuddy and onto a townie
And I think you've read the thread, so b) is the option I'm picking.waspushing the wagon. His vote was not random, even if there was slight lightheartedness attached to it.
You're accusing me of being his "scumbuddy" when you don't even believe he's scum. Why?
Or...do youthink Cyanide is scum?
Obligation to pre-game decisions factor in majorly to my vote today.DTMaster wrote:@Parama
1.Your points on the other players (Shrine for attacking RVSers and guilt trip, Leaf for stopping a 4 man vote "Wagon" -> not really since this is large theme, shattered for his weak stance against Cyanide reflected with his vote, mew for bad RVS since we are in discussion mode, Cyanide (see below where)), Jul's for chain saw -> however you can't really use this argument since we don't know anyone's alignments ) are good. Um Wait a minute: Cyanide is a policy lynch? Why aren't you going for the scummy reads?
Care to point out what this important point is? I think I'm missing it.DTMaster wrote:@FateHahahaha. This is epic because you just nailed something very important here.Fate wrote: You realized you just called for a vig on the SCUM and a lynch on a coinflip.
Don't forget the other 5 people who have voted CYANIDE for policy reasons now! We're all scum together, obviously. 8 person scumteam in a large game!Fate wrote:Panarama+Chronopie.
Let's not get sidetracked by Blue people...
QFT. I'm not going to reference the game in particular but I must admit it was pretty epic.dramonic wrote:SIR CYANIDE wrote:SpyreX is just one person and therefore his opinion is only worth so much. Nobody is going to follow him blindlyAni would...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
In other words: "I'm going to support the Parama wagon while not actually jumping on it in order to distance myself if he does get lynched and flips town."Konowa wrote:I like the Parama wagon, I want more out of Blue first.
Okay the grammar here fails but I get the logic here now. Glad someone answered it. I see why lynching scum gets us more info than vigging them.farside22 wrote: voting on players gives info that is why if someone is scummier with more valid reasoning then policy lynching then the town can read the wagon and the players that voted. That is the difference between voting and vigging.
Parama wrote:Getting a little jumpy there... could be that your scumbuddy is being wagoned in RVS and you want to convince the town to wagon someone else? Just seems like overreacting to RVS votes.Leafsnail wrote:I'm not sure how helpful plonking 4 random votes on the same person is. Surely just one will get the response?Leafsnail wrote:@Konawa - I suppose I missed "of you" after the "all" in that sentence, but I would've thought context made it obvious I wasn't saying everyone was voting him. I'd like to know why you made up this quote, however.Konowa wrote:I did not make any quote up.Leafsnail, post 49 wrote:One, I believe. As I say, in my opinion, the basic idea of the RVS is to get everyone down to the thread and talking,and all voting the same person(without even attempting to get any info from it) doesn't achieve that.Double HoS: Leafsnail
Read before you make terrible accusations like that please. It would be a vote but CYANIDE needs to go - don't worry, we can get Leafsnail tomorrow guys!
The case I offered earlier. Considering Leafsnail hasn't posted since before the second quote there's nothing to add at this point.Parama wrote:Therein lies the problem, because Konowa did not make the quote up. Why you would blatantly accuse him of lying like that when he was right makes no sense as town.Leafsnail wrote:@Konawa - I suppose I missed "of you" after the "all" in that sentence, but I would've thought context made it obvious I wasn't saying everyone was voting him.I'd like to know why you made up this quote, however.
DO IT PLEASEdramonic wrote:I'm going to have to replace you if you do not act more cordially towards the other players.
Fate wrote:You realized you just called for a vig on the SCUM and a lynch on a coinflip.
So first you say that you agree Leafsnail is scum and now you don't?Fate wrote:@Parama: Thanks for linking your Leafsnail case. It reminded me how flimsy it was and why I'm voting you until you die.
That's the implication IMO - you agree with me when I'm saying Leafsnail is scum. Unless you failed at wording, in which case you should've said:Fate wrote:You realized you just called for a vig on theSCUMand a lynch on a coinflip.
Fate wrote:You realized you just called for a vig onwho you thinkthe SCUM and a lynch on a coinflip.
I honestly don't expect anyone to. You wouldn't believe the crazy stuff I come up with sometimes that ends up right - in another game I called out someone as being scum, nobody believed me, wagon started on me, I died or something flipped town, then when the player I called out died he was scum.Fate wrote:*waits for even one other player to read the implication the way you did*
Hey look, another "FoS: scumbuddy, vote: random townie" type thing.SpyreX wrote:There's something to be said for that if Cyanide were to flip scum (doubly so a scum PR).
But, when it reads as "If Cynaide is scum, leaf is scum" the vote on leaf doesn't make sense.
I thought the point was to have so much drama that it sapped all the drama from other games, making them lifeless and making this the only game that mattered ever.Shrinehme wrote:This game is living up to its name.
Note: CYANIDE is one of these 3.Parama wrote:I'm the biggest wagon and 3 of the 5 people voting me have no good reason to do such.
I'm not seeing what you think you're seeing, plus it's hard for a townie to softclaim scum.SIR CYANIDE wrote:You basically softclaim scum here:
Leafsnail tomorrow, we agreed to policy lynch SIR CYANIDE D1 in the sign-ups thread and there's good reason to (if you're reading this thread at all should be obvious.)
Yes call it a scum move if you want. It's not. It's an incredibly townie thing to do because SIR CYANIDE is anti-town.
Leafsnail is probably scum, so he can get vigged tonight if we have one of those (it's likely).
My vote stays.
QFT.Chronopie wrote:This game has gotten silly.
Missed this. You don't seem to understand why I'm voting you if I'm understanding your implications correctly. And I already explained it. Not going to restate it, even though it's pretty simple.Fate wrote:VOTE THE GUY WHO POSTS A LOT! HE MUST BE SCUM!
RAWWWWWR.
Actually Shrine is not a bad lynch either, but he's below you and Leafsnail (don't think I've forgotten about you, Leaf)Fate wrote:AWWW LOOK UNSIGHT MADE A PRETTY POST WITH CUTE TAGS LETS LYNCH ME NOW!
RE: WAGON HOPPING:
1. LOL WHEN DID I VOTE DTM?
2. WANTING A LYNCH IS NOT A SCUMTELL.
3. PARAMA ARE YOU DOWN FOR A SHRINE WAGON? OR ARE YOU GONNA TUNNEL ME LIKE THESE OTHER SCRUBS?
What are you implying here?Ellibereth wrote: And yeah, Spyrex really should take care of all the IC'esque explaining stuff with Unsight and Para for later...