Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Drippereth]

I want Dramonic to claim first, we can talk about the rest after that.
...? at Ythan.

Im actually more sure of my Spyrex read but I wouldnt mind a dramonic claim. Hence why I havent removed my vote.

Also how does Palindar fit with this new information?

Pulin still leands town for me. I have a terrible amounts of doubt due to MaB and some of those questions asked. I wouldn't be very suprise if I were wrong. Don't know 'bout DGB.

Overall, my current thinking is that scum are in the pool of Dram, Spyrex, Pulindar, Nacho, and Yos.

[Drippereth]

Pulin, when did you get back from dinner?

[Drippereth]

Ythan, Pulindar wagon is out of fashion, Dramonic wagon is IN now.

[Drippereth]

Overall, my current thinking is that scum are in the pool of Dram, Spyrex, Pulindar, Nacho, and Yos.

Mostly agree with this. I have a feeling one of Weaboo or KMD will come up scum though, and I don't think Pulindar is scum.

How many scum do you have left? 3 or 4?
And you know I just had to deal with a Vig, Cop, Vengeful, Empowerer,

Governer

, Scumteam. Don't tell methere are double voting scum now.
DGB and I also both have Weaboo = Town, So yeah

[Drippereth]

What exactly is it that is so compelling about the dramonic case? I'm hesitant to assume when you tell me to jump on.

you know, you should stop listening to Dripberreth fellas <<

she may be town, doesnt change she's not a good source for reads...

@ Dramonic - if you're urging players to stop listening to us, it's because you know it's a mislynch.

BEFORE THE REST OF US.

Therefore you are scum. Any other interpretation?

If you are scum, you will be vig'ed.

[Drippereth]

she may be town, doesnt change she's not a good source for reads...

@ Dramonic - if you're urging players to stop listening to us, it's because you know it's a mislynch.

Is this it?

This is already more than enough! Coupled with a quick scan of Dram's Iso, I forsee an Ythen vote switch in the near future! Prove me correct.

[Drippereth]

JUST SWITCH YOUR VOTE ALREADY.

[Drippereth]

Unconvinced that dramonic is worse than Pulindar. May reconsider at some point my vote as dramonic is looking questionable and the Pulindar wagon is not really going anywhere.

Reconsider now. REMEMBER THIS IS A QUICK GAME!!!! Pulindar won't be happening today. We need Dram to CLAIM ASAP. Switch please.

[Drippereth]

Pulindar, you listed 3 members of the town.
And Spyrex is going to be VIGGED.

DRAMONIC, YOUR NEXT POST IS TO INCLUDE A CLAIM. DGB AND I WILL NOT BE GRANTING YOU THE COURTESY WE GAVE CLERGYHOOP.

[Drippereth]

I still dislike this 'claim or die!' mentality - it's probably warranted here, but it's an ugly habit to get into. Remember Fate not claiming when he got to L-1 in PYP, Elli? Sometimes there is a reason. And sometimes not all wagons go through to lynch when they are on L-1 or L-2, and can dissipate naturally without a role outed. Claims have a tendancy to lock players in as the day's lynch, because outing any more people is risky. I don't like it.

That was very situational IMO. I had a feeling he was the bomb since the sign up thread and the refusal to claim all but confirmed it. The way he handled it was ridiculously town too. It should be obvious that DGB and I both disagree with the not claiming when VT mindset. I think she said earlier the only time it's right not to claim is supersaint, bomb, and roles of that likeness.
Regardless, this is a quick game with a day before deadline. Claim or die mode is definitely the right mindset right now I think.

[Drippereth]

I'm much more sure about Ythantown than a "benefit of a doubt". McZombie is a relative newbie. Relative newbie's instinctual action is not to jump on a fast-growing wagon and bus their buddy on D1. From her one post and Nik's flip she is already very likely town.
Weaboo is town, I don't know what you and Hoops are on about.
It would be much more helpful to see some stuff on the Dram, Spyrex, Nacho, and Yos player slots.

[Drippereth]

We're not lynching at random mate, and calling for vigs is awesome.
Neither DGB or I liked the screenshot of the Hydra QT. Whatevs, Hayle can handle it how she will.

[Drippereth]

You're asking the mod to edit the rules midgame in order to prevent the occurrence of town demanding hydra QTs? Am I getting that right?

Yes.
It's really not fair at all otherwise.

[Drippereth]

Wait no. The player saying this is hydra with the one who already showed. Nevermind that's not suspect.

Ok. And I'm agreeing with him. And I'ma hydra too. Am I suspect now?
Seriously, drop it.

[Drippereth]

Dramonic? Your results?

^^^ This.
Ythan, please drastically reduce the amount of noise you produce today. Thank you!

[Drippereth]

Requesting forced replacement on McZombie

Starbuck replaces McZombie.

[Drippereth]

Here is my opinion:

vote: Dramonic

[Drippereth]

unvote vote dramonic

You guys really think lynching the claimed investigative role is the right move here?

It's curious how he wasn't roleblocked, isn't it?

[Drippereth]

He's the only claimed role - an information role - if the scum haven't killed him, I would expect that they would roleblock him.

[Drippereth]

Are people suggesting that Dramonic is a scum gunsmith? That seems more like what people are saying than that he's fakeclaiming.

Also, maybe Serial/Hoopla was a vig.

They were vanilla. It's in the modkill scene.

[Drippereth]

Are people suggesting that Dramonic is a scum gunsmith?

Of course not, only that's it's a convenient claim for scum to make.

Remember that I had claimed "NOT VIG" so if Dramonic were scum, he knew he wouldn't be making a mistake if he said I don't have a gun.

That's pretty damning I think.

[Drippereth]

I'm keenly interested in what Weaboo has to say today.

KEENLY.

[Drippereth]

Ythan, please drastically reduce the amount of noise you produce today. Thank you!

Also please have the list camn requested in your next post. Thank you!

[Drippereth]

Unvote, Vote Nacho

[Drippereth]

Post 1135 is a whole lot of lazy scum slop that can be summarized thusly:

"Ooopsy - I'm not lurking! See? Look! A POST! Is it long enough? No? How about now? Is it long enough? No? More? I'm running out of things to stretch out off the top of my head!"

[Drippereth]

Nah, Elli-gut. He'll explain in due time.

You knew that was me how?
And remember what happened last time, when you had such a nonchalant attitude?

[Drippereth]

Maybe you thought I was double-stuff WIFOM'ing a claim-non-claim.

[Drippereth]

...hai guys. Ahm. Nacho's a lurker lynch isn't he? Can somebody explain me why a lurker lynch is better than another lynch? (Please explain it like you would explain it to a 4 year old.)

(1) Scum lurks.
(2) There's always a scum that escapes detection for many days, by lurking.
(3) Lynching lurkers is pro-town.

[Drippereth]

I see absolutely nothing new.
Nacho is still scum.

[Drippereth]

Why can't you explain your suspicions of Anon now?

All the opinions you've had on people thus far have been unjustified/lazy. When you post, you rarely say anything worth reading.

The hypocricy is blinding.

[Drippereth]

All the opinions you've had on people thus far have been unjustified/lazy. When you post, you rarely say anything worth reading.

[Drippereth]

@ Anon

Don't worry, we're going to kill SpyreX. The wagon analysis NEVER LIES. Remember that kids.

But only after we're done with Nachoscum.

[Drippereth]

We need 4 more votes to lynch Nachoscum.

Volunteers?

[Drippereth]

Would really rather lynch some of the obvious scum today.

You don't think Nacho is scum ????

[Drippereth]

Ythan, quit delaying that Nacho vote. You know you want to do it. Warm corn chips, salsa, melted cheese... c'mon, dig in.

[Drippereth]

Denied. I gave you what I'm going to give you today and explained why you're not getting more.

Ythan, do it,
Your playstyle is already anti-town enough as it is. We need your reads on every player, neatly typed out in one post, so we don't have to sort through all your posts. Just a list with, "Town", "Scum", "Null (lean town, lean scum)" next to people's names is fine.

[Drippereth]

And for the record:

The craziest part looking back at it wasn't that he clamored for the CSL lynch and then swung the hammer - its the fact CSL was the shot and there was NO REAL QUESTIONING of the whole business.

Hot damn even I fell for it but everyone?

SPLAIN MOAR, SpyreX, I'm stupid that way.

=================

I could so totally see myself voting Ythan right now. We need more games with two lynches per day. Nacho is still caught scum >>> Ythan should be dead, SpyreX should be dead (wagons never lie). One of my favorite things in the world (only second to camn-town) is SpyreX-town. And I'm not getting that yummy plateful of SpyreX-town in this game.

[Drippereth]

Fineeee... No Haylen . Why are you pushing me to tell about my scumbuddies when you're one of them? That's not very nice.

(PS: This is a fake argument. Camn is not scum. She is town. I am scum though. Making my win percentage of games played as scum with Elli somewhere around 0%. )

Hihihihi.
Did you guys kill CSl N1?

[Drippereth]

I see a "funniest role claim" nomination in my crystal ball.

It's official! Pulindar is scum.

[Drippereth]

What.

Ythan has a neutral read on Nachomamma. He needs more information.

Ythan your buddies are listed in your role PM.

[Drippereth]

Ok lemme go check.

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take a lifetime.

WIN

[Drippereth]

Ythan is very sad scum.

[Drippereth]

You might as well surrender, too.

[Drippereth]

Why did he confess? One thing Im sure, it has to be scum in his wagon.

Yes, my working hypothesis is that this was a

"I'm being bus'ed hard so I give up"

type confession.

[Drippereth]

By the way folks, pay attention to the L-0/L-2 issue if that comes up again like it did the last two days.

Really, why?

[Drippereth]

Who cares this time, it's not like Nacho's alignment is in question.

[Drippereth]

Very much agree with Anon that we have an incorrect town read.
I almost feel sorry for Ythan. Almost.

[Drippereth]

DEATH TIME FOR SPYREX

That's one fakeclaim I await with trepidation.

vote: SpyreX

[Drippereth]

On that note, dramonic, your report?

I checked Ythan, hopping desperately to get a gun result and get him lynched from it.
Alas he was gunless (duh)
Also now that we have a second kill I cant out gunbearers as relaxingly as I wish :S

Oh. Well.

If you guys are going to make it so easy. Why should I make my life more complicated???

Yeah I know, SpyreX scum gets another day. We'll say it's to thank him for NK'ing Ythan.

unvote, vote: Dramonic

[Drippereth]

^^^ You're scum because of vote analasys.
Dram is scum because he's still alive with a result.

[Drippereth]

So, just so we're clear:

I'm scum because I 1.) thought the initial wagon on Nik was garbage (it was). 2.) agreed with you that he exploded when he thought he was lynched and outed himself (he did) and THEN the next day came out hard on another scum partner?

And dramonic is scum because he's alive with a result on a dead person?

Nonono, Dramonic is scum is because he wasn't roleblocked and is still alive.
Why you're scum: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 32#2133132

[Drippereth]

You can be right again with a Dramonic vote.

[Drippereth]

Does the Nacho lynch add/substract from your Parama case, SpryreX?

[Drippereth]

But, Dramonic being alive with a result is weird UNLESS the scum don't have guns?

So far no kills have involved shootings. So what's the use of a gunsmith???????????????

Unless it's a scum gunsmith looking for a vig???????????

But do we have a vig???????

[Drippereth]

Regardless, Dram is scum.
I mean, Yosarian2 agreed.

He's the only claimed role - an information role - if the scum haven't killed him, I would expect that they would roleblock him.

That would be a strong argument, except the scum apparently failed to kill last night, so who knows who they tried to kill.

[Drippereth]

Dramonic is scum.

(a) first investigation: us.

Why on earth, since we spent all of Day 1 going ballistic on a scumbag that dropped scumtells only visible to us, before he even really got started? This after we yelled out "NON-VIG!" Sure, it could have been interpreted as a Day 1 bus. But Nikanor has a reputation as a solid player, and no one saw scumtells in anything he said.

(b) second investigation: Parama.

When we have tons of more dangerous suspects? Like who would fail to investigate YOS? Or SPYREX? Or CAMN? Or anyone else influential?

(c) third investigation: Ythan.

Seriously? Like he was a threat? Or particularly useful to the town? Now pay attention, you all. If I were scum, and Ythan was town, would I want him dead or alive? The answer is, ALIVE, and for as long as possible. Because as long as he's alive, he's like a distraction for wagons on myself-scum and my scumpals. He's an asset to the scum. He distracts at every second post, but he does no scum hunting whatsoever. He holds no opinion and once cannot influence the town without holding an opinion. Therefore, he's an asset to the scum; a constant, non-threatening distraction. By giving us an "innocent" on Ythan, he's prolonging Ythan's life. Yay scum. And of course, investigating the dead guy is a classic.

WE'VE HAD NO GUN DEATH.

DRAMONIC is still alive.

DRAMONIC is not roleblocked.

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This being said we're late enough in the game to dwell deeper into voting patterns. I will try to do that tonight.
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[Drippereth]

ASUMPTION: 3 scums in addition to Nikanor and Nacho.

Day 1:

On the lynch wagon:

Camn

, Anon,

Drippereth

, Maemuki, Starbuck,

CSL

,

Ythan

, Spyrex, Parama.
Out of the lynch wagon: Dramonic, Weaboo,

A Clergyman with a Hoop

, kmd,

Nachomamma8

, yosa, Pulindar.

COMMENT:

Totally town-driven wagon. Maximum one scum probably on LATE wagon.

SpyreX, Parama.

one more scum.

Dramonic, Weaboo, KMD, Yosarian, Pulindar

Day 2:

(A little erroneous because of modkill but lets peek)
On the lynch wagon: Parama, Yosarian2,

Nachomamma8

, Kmd,

Drippereth

Off the lynch wagon: Weaboo, Pulindar,

Ythan

, Maemuki,

Camn

, Anon, SpyreX,

A Clergyman with a Hoop

, Starbuck, Dramonic

COMMENT:

Two scum OFF the wagon.

Weaboo, Pulindar,Maemuki, Anon, SpyreX, Starbuck, Dramonic

Day 3:

On the lynch wagon:

Camn

, SpyreX, Kmd,

Drippereth

, Dramonic, Weaboo, Yosarian2, Anon
Off the lynch wagon:

Ythan

, Parama,

Nachomamma8

, Starbuck, Maemuki

COMMENT:

1.5 scum on the late wagon OR early wagon, 1.5 scum off the wagon

SpyreX, KMD, Dramonic, Weaboo, Yosarian, Anon

1.5 scum here:

Parama, Starbuck, Maemuki

RANKING

98 Starbuck (Rep. McZombie)
98 Maemuki
93 SpyreX
83 Anon
80 Parama
73 Dramonic
73 Weaboo (hydra of Kise and xReckonerx)
55 Yosarian2
53 Pulindar (Rep. Miserable At Best)
40 KMD(numbers)

[Drippereth]

Yo drip my post?

I dunno, hon, what can I do for you?

[Drippereth]

1334 and my question about those last two from that quote and how I can't see how they mesh?

Wouldn't that only mean that his scum group didn't kill Ythan?

[Drippereth]

But if he was scum and thus lying why still do that report?

Because he can't get caught being wrong about the dead guy... the dead guy role/alignment is revealed... he can't say that a particular player doesn't have a gun, then this player turns up to be a still-inactive vig or something.

That's not completely obvious?

[Drippereth]

Only a positive result would give him cred.

But then again.

He's not being roleblocked. Would Haylen tell the scum how their kills are going to show up in the obituaries?

[Drippereth]

I'm just saying a result on a deadis the LEAST cred of all scenarios.

You raise a good point though - the flavor is just killed, not shot?

The flavor scenes have had a hanging (CSL), a choking (camn) and a knifing(Ythan).

Presumably, 3 different killers.

[Drippereth]

Hmmm

You can do better than Hmmm

[Drippereth]

DGB, can you explain what the "ranking" at the bottom of 1340 means?

All based on what I have clearly written out above the numbers themselves.

[Drippereth]

Flavor arguements are bad. I doubt Haylen took the time to make sure she put "shot" instead of "killed" because there is a gunsmith in the game. I assume Dramonic would get a guilty on any scum, vig, or SK.

Really.

[Drippereth]

I'm dumb and can't find it. Can you quote or re-explain it please?

Post 1340...

[Drippereth]

Highest numbers are scummiest.

[Drippereth]

Hi.
I haven't really read the last few pages yet, but I have two announcements:

Starbuck is Town
Mae is Town

Dram, did you get a list of roles in your pm that you were told would give you a positive to a gun?

[Drippereth]

Weaboo is... town? Maybe? I don't know, he need to post more.

This felt wierd.

Not sure about Yosarian2 lately. But he's town for right now because he definitely hasn't done anything to make me think differently.

This also felt wierd.

[Drippereth]

Ohh hydra-sensei please have your brains come to a consensus because wooo nelly.

DGB here.

Well I agree with Elli that Starbuck is town on account of McZombie's Day 1 actions. I think a lot of her points are lurking artifacts.

I'm a lot less certain of Maemuki. I could vote Maemuki. But then if Maemuki has a believable claim, we're lynching SpyreX.

[Drippereth]

Quiz for Maemuku AND Weaboo.

1) Which player do you think is most likely scum? Why?
2) If that player were killed right now as scum, which player do you think is most likely to be that player's scumbuddy? Why?
3) Who was bus'ing on the Nikanor and Nacho wagons?
4) Are you scum? Please answer with more than 10 words.
5) Why do you think Dramonic is still alive?
6) Do you trust SpyreX?
7) Was your response to Question #4 a lie?
8) Who are your top 3 lynches today?
9) Please provide a list of lurkers you'd be willing to slay mercilessly, and explain why.
10) Who did you target last night?

[Drippereth]

Hi.
I haven't really read the last few pages yet, but I have two announcements:

Starbuck is Town
Mae is Town

Dram, did you get a list of roles in your pm that you were told would give you a positive to a gun?

nope

Ask Hayle for one please.

[Drippereth]

I've already answered that.

McZombie did it. By voting for Nikanorscum while making a statement indicating that McZombie thought we were still in RVS, McZombie is town. If McZombie was scum, McZombie would have been bus'ing, and would have done so in a way to earn town cred. Saying we were in RVS nullifies any town cred a scumbag would have earned by bus'ing.

The only caveat is if McZombie hasn't bothered informing him/herself of whom his/her buddies were.

[Drippereth]

As to why Starbuck is getting a lot of scum points with the scoring system, it's because of lack of voting and general lurkiness.

Starbuck *could* be scum, definitely a possibility.

[Drippereth]

That kinda means Dramonic is actually a gunsmith.

unvote, vote: SpyreX

[Drippereth]

yeah, that's what she was referring to. DGB wanting me to break my role or something

But I gave the answer already.

People always think it's DGB ...
But yeah, Dram is almost definitely a gunsmith now.
Policy lynching is not a scumtell.
Mae posted elsewhere, I want her to come in and fill out HER TEST.

[Drippereth]

Maemuki is skipping her mid-term.

vote: Maemuki

[Drippereth]

... I guess Dram being a gunsmith is the only way that REALLY makes sense isn't it?

So, Pam and Dram

(sittin in a tree)

are coo for the mo'

As awesome as that Day 1 stuff is (and I feel so left out) lets move into full speed ahead.

IIoA, haha.

[Drippereth]

After Ythan, my definition of white noise changed...
MAE!!!! YOU'RE STILL POSTING ELSEWHERE!!!! SKIPPING CLASS ISN'T GOOD!

[Drippereth]

While I'm at it, why did you need to emphasize the word keenly, Drip?

We thought you had a result on Ythan the other day (whom we mistakenly thought was a vig for a while), and since we're kinda stalling with the remaining scum, we were looking forward to you shedding light on... something... but we were wrong on the nature of that something. Rest assured that we are not scum taunting to mislynch you.

After we lynch Spyrex, we can kill Pulindar. I agree. He's posted his fake townie post, now he's scum again.

[Drippereth]

@ SpyreX

Would you be willing to bus Pulindar?

[Drippereth]

IT MUST BE DONE

vote: SpyreX

[Drippereth]

What???????????????

SpyreX is still alive?

This is an OUTRAGE.

[Drippereth]

We have a serious problem in SpyreX's continued state of living.

[Drippereth]

And we begin again. If this is going to be the dance, I want a for mad reals reason.

I know, its a lot to ask.

We already said, you're the scum who was bussing Nik.

Nikanor - camn, Anon, Drippereth, Maemuki, McZombie, CSL, Ythan, Spyrex, Parama

Everyone has flipped or been gunsmith confirmed 'cept for SPYREX, ANON, AND STARBUCK.
Anon is just a big town read, and the way Zombie voted makes her town. Who's left?

[Drippereth]

Shall we wagon you then?

Maybe the Gods of Deadline will be kinder to the town in the next round.

vote: Spyrex

[Drippereth]

^^^

Spyrex's buddy has just spoken.

[Drippereth]

@Anon

We're lynching SpyreX or Yosarian. Today.

[Drippereth]

Is it really a vacation, or a case of "a good fakeclaim takes an eternity?"

[Drippereth]

Yeah, Anon is town.

Does anyone thing KMD is town??? I want answers.

[Drippereth]

Also, the reason I did it like that is because I'd really like to hear other people comment on SpyreX's actual play, rather then just silly "bandwagon analysis" stuff.

Wagon analysis RULES. It's not my fault it it incriminates your buddy.

[Drippereth]

SpyreX didn't claim earlier night choices, therefore he is scum, and is today's lynch.

[Drippereth]

Vote Yosarian2

Mmmmmmmmmmm

Maybe KMD is SpyreX's buddy?

The lack of explanation has given me pause.

[Drippereth]

What???

I went to sleep hoping to see SpyreX hammered in the morning.

Come on you slackers, you're disappointing me.

SpyreX can't reveal his previous night targets because he could be WRONG and get CAUGHT. We have many power roles that might target players at night. He found NOTHING??? Urgh, don't believe it. Plus he'd have to re-read the whole game to be consistent and avoid being challenged with his reasoning behind the choices... and right now he's too lazy.

FAKE CLAIM FAIL

Wagon ho
To caboose: hammer.

[Drippereth]

unvote

temporarily.

How come you didn't track ANON??????

[Drippereth]

Hey now, if you're gonna throw that down at least call it "white noise so I don't get replaced" because hot damn calling that information is a sad state of affairs.

Listo

3. Starbuck (Rep. McZombie)
5. Maemuki -
7. Pulindar (Rep. Miserable At Best)
14. Yosarian2 -
15. Anon
16. KMD(numbers)
17. Weaboo (hydra of Kise and xReckonerx)

Of that set:

Starbuck
Mae
Anon
Yos
KMD
Pulindar
Weaboo

Vote: Starbuck

That slot has been coasting this whole damn game. Now's not the time for day 1 shenanigans that aren't even fully laced out. Specifically in that catchup post the dancing with KMD and Yos really gets me - I'd push them above Mae and Anon with a scum Starbuck flip.

How come you didn't track STARBUCK???

[Drippereth]

In other news, I'm now questioning my McZombie/Starbuck read and would bet the farm that Starbuck is scum.

The LURKING is just painful... like trying to coast on my early read and trying to avoid attention. If only camn was here...

[Drippereth]

OK, how about we lynch you and make it painless?

vote: Starbuck

[Drippereth]

Would you be willing to help us lynch SpyreX?

[Drippereth]

You're active in another game.

This is a speed game.

Yesterday's townie lynch was a 2 vote deadline lynch. So it's not us being rude and not letting you catch on.

Who is willing to lynch Starbuck at this point?

[Drippereth]

Also, I just figured out something major. And I'm not telling what.

Is it who the scum is? I'm interested.

[Drippereth]

If you guys won't lynch until I get caught up, I'll finish.

Right now, it's fruitless if you are gonna keep lynching and I'm still catching up.

It's a speedgame, we have deadlines. Last lynch was deadline-lynch, and the one before was close-to-deadline-lynch. It's not a conspiracy.

[Drippereth]

I dunno. There's a voice in my head. It says: "Kmd is scum, Kmd is scum, Kmd is scum.... lynch him!!!!!!!"