Mafia 103 - Ktown Mafia (Game Over)

[Kirbyoshi]

Hey guys, I'm here, but it might take me awhile to read. Carry on.

[Kirbyoshi]

Hey guys, I'm here, but it might take me awhile to read. Carry on.

[Kirbyoshi]

Vote: Sir Chris

Everything that has been pointed out against him makes perfect sense to me. I also don't like how he keeps self-meta-ing ("scum me would do this," or "scum me would never do that"). That's so much WIFOM it hurts.

[Kirbyoshi]

Man, if you are scum, you probably would have been better just staying quiet if that is the best you've got to offer.

Since when is it a good idea to stay quiet in Mafia? Shouldn't one vote if one sees a need, and make something known if it bears being made known? I see your self-meta as a scummy, weak defense. Let others do research on you and come to their own conclusions.

That speaks with too much confidence.

Is there such a thing as too much confidence?

Also I find it greatly amusing he doesn't like WIFOM when WIFOM in and of itself is neutral because of its very nature:

What if I don't like the neutrality that WIFOM brings? Things are so much easier when nothing is neutral.

No other thoughts on any of the other potential scum?

Well, my second suspect is Furry, but you stand out as scum to me alot more than he does.

I just browsed a game very quickly where our good friend Kirbyoshi was lynched day one

Which game? The only game I remember on MS where I was lynched D1 was my very first game, and I like to think I've matured alot since then.

Your over-defensiveness just solidifies to me that you're scum.

[Kirbyoshi]

My point with Chris being over-defensive is that I put him at L-

4

, and then he posted walls of text (albeit over many different double- and triple-postings). I could see that at L-2, and it's certainly merited at L-1, but why did he feel the need to go berserk over L-4?

[Kirbyoshi]

Furry, L-4 is nowhere close to a lynch.

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, so I know this isn't what Furry asked for, but I feel it needs to be done nonetheless.

Scumlist:
Sir Chris--Contrary to popular belief, I am NOT 100% sure on him. More like 65-70%, but he's the best lead I have to go on atm.

Furry--More a hunch than anything else, but if Chris is scum, Furry probably is too.

Kunk--Don't know if you could really call it active lurking, but it seems to me he just throws things out there and then sits back. Not much scumhunting really.

Mike--Almost the same as Kunk, but not quite as severe.

Heilo--I have to admit, when I read the game, I only considered toDay, because of all the replacements, not only from toDay, but from pretty much every Day. My mild suspicion of Heilo comes from what other people have said about him not providing enough content.

Crue--New(er) player. If it comes to the surface that he was a scumhunting god (with a little g), he will move up.

Dj--I hope he finishes his reconsideration soon, I wanna hear what he has to say.

Cruelty--Seems to get the dirt on everyone. Keep up the good work.

Faraday--The towniest of them all. Articulate, and hits the nail on the head almost every time.

[Kirbyoshi]

@Furry: ???

[Kirbyoshi]

This is interesting...

@Chris: Why is my vote for you scummier than Kunk's vote for me (assuming you think it is)?

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, so I'm just a VT. Lynch me if you want, it'll give you more info about the wagon, who was on it, and when they jumped on. I'd especially look at Sir Chris, starting with the blatant OMGUS vote on me, and then if he's scum, Furry, for the chainsaw defense.

[Kirbyoshi]

I predict that Sir Chris will try to coast through the next 15 hours without answering my 1022.

[Kirbyoshi]

@Mike: Clearly the second post you quoted from Faraday stated that the wagon should be disassembled and sold for scrap. It didn't mean that the people on the wagon were scummy, it's just that if the player(s) you were piggybacking off of (which I don't necessarily find scummy, btw) no longer find the wagon worth pursuing, why should you?

[Kirbyoshi]

So, does no one want to post in this game, or what? If not, why did we ask for an extension?

[Kirbyoshi]

Unvote Chris, Vote: Heilograph

His vote on me was totally scummy and without reason, and his turtle comment, while funny, was quite vague and scummy in its own right. Plus, the Chris case isn't going anywhere.

Off-topic: Just watched the end of the NFC Championship. Note: Gay refs are gay.

[Kirbyoshi]

I'm going to leave this to Sir Chris. It was his original wagon, and he had his reasons for starting it. I can't say that my joining the wagon was really reasonable. After being asked to choose a wagon for deadline, Kirby's was the one the stood out to me as the best based.

Uh, if you can't state a case against me, there was absolutely no reason for you to join my wagon.

[Kirbyoshi]

or we could lynch kunkstar.

I'd be cool with that too, especially considering his most recent post, but Heilo is the wagon of choice atm.

[Kirbyoshi]

That's basically what I just said Furry...-_-

[Kirbyoshi]

I also said Heilo is the wagon of choice. We can look at Kunk closely tomorrow though, or if Heilo gives a BA claim.

[Kirbyoshi]

I'd like the turtle to come and claim.

QFT^^^

[Kirbyoshi]

I doubt we'll get ANOTHER extension. I would like to hear from Heilo before deadline; however, if he continues to not post, I have no other recourse than to call for a hammer, because I don't want him getting away with simply not posting to avoid a lynch.

[Kirbyoshi]

That's quite far from the most townie hammer in the world, and plus, we didn't even wait for a claim. I give dj a fail.

[Kirbyoshi]

Vote: don_johnson

We had all agreed that we were to wait until deadline to see if Heilo showed up. Why did you hammer?

[Kirbyoshi]

Actually...

unvote, Vote: No Lynch

Looks to me like a textbook NL situation. Plus, dj IS making sense...

[Kirbyoshi]

@Furry. Just checked the OP. It's majority.

[Kirbyoshi]

Unfortunately, Sir Chris, mislynches DO happen. First Day or two, they're comparatively not that big a deal. However, we are now (assumedly) in mylo. That means that mislynching toDay is the worst thing we could do. ToMorrow, we will have more info from PR's, and a better chance of lynching scum. No-Lynching is the way to go.

[Kirbyoshi]

The only ones that have yet to claim are Kunk and MME, right?

As stated before, I'm a lowly VT.

[Kirbyoshi]

Also, Chris, you're forgetting the Lovers, who, imo, lessen town's powers.

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, so, going down the player list...

Furry:

Claimed town RB

Cruelty:

Claimed tracker

Sir Chris:

Semi-cleared by both Furry and Cruelty

Kunkstar7:

Still a suspect

Don_Johnson:

Still a suspect

Kirbyoshi:

Semi-cleared by both Furry and Cruelty

My Milked Eek:

Still a suspect

Correct me if I'm wrong with any of these, of course. And obviously, if we're looking at a 3-man scumteam, this is lylo.

That being said...

Vote: kunkstar7

Scummiest out of the three imo.

[Kirbyoshi]

I have no reason to doubt either claim, and we're not quite at quick-hammer territory yet.

[Kirbyoshi]

Why not MME, Furry? Chris has been semi-cleared by you and Cruelty, so objectively, MME is more likely to be scum than SC. Why Chris over MME?

[Kirbyoshi]

dj, what you are proposing is preposterous. And actually, if we do play by the rules you set, you should be autolynched, because you voted out of turn; kunk would go next. However, we are not going by your rules. Stop being scummy, thx.

[Kirbyoshi]

votes come first. cases come after.

Stop being so chamber-esque.

Furry, Kunk, Cruelty, and myself have expressed that we don't like your "Mexican" way of doing things. If you want to withhold your cases, that's fine, but don't expect to stay alive long.

[Kirbyoshi]

are you afraid of having to explain yourself?

I think you, sir, are the one who is afraid to explain himself. You're pretty much forcing everyone to place a vote before you explain your cases. Withholding of scumtells, especially at lylo, only helps scum.

In fact, I will add another rule:

8) Anyone who pushes for this strategy when more than half the game is against it should be autolynched.

[Kirbyoshi]

first: try and come up with your own style.

Wait, so who's style am I stealing?

second: i have explained my cases. both of them upon request. they were to be detailed at the end of the standoff.

Really? I looked back, and when asked to clarify why you were voting for cruelty, you gave some elusive answer about kitchen decor, and said something along the lines of "I'll explain more later." Everyone should explain their votes either before, in the same post as, or soon after the vote itself. There should be no "I'll explain in a week, just go with my plan, lawlz."

in regards to the bolded: who is "witholding scumtells" and how does it only help scum?

Um, you are withholding scumtells by not giving your full case on cruelty. It helps only scum because scum can basically vote for whomever they want to, and if we do the "standoff" thing, town cannot say anything against their vote, since they haven't heard the case yet.

half the game has not come out against the strategy.

You're right, more than half has. 7 players alive. Kirb+Furry+cruelty+kunk=4 players. 4/7>1/2. Lern2mathscum.

[Kirbyoshi]

My gut right now says it's kunk/dj/SC. Chris is not 100% clear yet. The fact that he didn't visit anyone means that he did not SUBMIT the NK for the Night. He still COULD be scum, it's just a little less likely. And actually, to be fair, the same goes for me.

[Kirbyoshi]

1249 does a good job of stating what I couldn't about the scumminess of kunk. He can die.

[Kirbyoshi]

Sometimes I have suspicions that I can't make into a coherent case. Do you find that scummy?

[Kirbyoshi]

Furry, where is MME cleared?

[Kirbyoshi]

Yeah that makes sense. Obviously I think it's the first option

[Kirbyoshi]

dj was slightly scummy, and if the day had lasted longer, we probably could have figured out MME as scum, but Furry had all the town snowed. gg Furry.