Mafia 107 - Christmas Time Mafia (Game over)

[TheLonging]

Vote: NavyCherub

For making me watch Kimi Ni Todoke. :U

[TheLonging]

Unvote: NvayCherub

Vote: RichardGHP

Yeah don't give me that look. Not voting for anyone today... you got something planned, don't you? DON'T YOU?

[TheLonging]

PoS: Fugitive, RichardGHP

(yes Scorehero, I'm bringing the penis of suspicion back )

not really sure enough to vote for either one yet.

How do you point that sucker at more than one person though

Note: pman5595 may be furry. Must investigate further.

/watchmen

[TheLonging]

Yeah, I have a few thoughts.

We obviously can't go a lot of places now since it's only the first day. Then again, RVS voting can only get us so far. We can't grab a lot of info based on these 4 pages. If anything, I find a random lynch one of the best options we have unless someone basically acts very scummy. Then again, I don't even know who we could lynch.

Unvote: RichardGHP

[TheLonging]

Vote: Konowa

Now, what are YOUR thoughts on the game fair sir? Should we lynch anyone? Should we throw random votes around? Who do you think is the scummiest?

[TheLonging]

Unvote: Konowa

No, I haven't found anyone suspicious Kon, save for a few people that show up on my ultra-cool Scumdar 9001, only $99.99 at Wal-Mart. But they don't show up much for a few reasons. I didn't say there was no one suspicious; I simply asked your thoughts on the game so far.

I'm gonna send diddin a PM to the thread via SH or MSN.

[TheLonging]

ask me to explain something and I will

[TheLonging]

Richard: Lurking though isn't a good move though, and is a good clue to tell someone that that person might be mafia.

1. Yes, that was in part an OMGUS vote towards him. In hindsight, I should have not cast the vote at all, but at the time I aimed for Kona.

2. I didn't notice the bandwagon on CSL at all until I read it over a few times, but I thought nothing of it tbh because of RVS.

3. My only idea(es) right now is to either:

A) Random lynch (very bad)
B) Argue for a while with each other until we find someone we're pretty sure is scummy and vote for them

I'm gonna look through the thread again, my last few posts have been half-assed and really stupid.

[TheLonging]

Yeah I don't think random lynching will do us good at all. I don't really find anything scummy about the CSL bandwagon at all.

Bogre: I don't see how we could be connected. If he wants to vote for me, he should have done it.

[TheLonging]

Yeah I noticed that it was a wagon, but I thought nothing of it because it was during the time when we voted randomly really.

[TheLonging]

Er can't edit.

Although I guess now I should have found it suspicious. Also; CSL is lurking now? Strange

[TheLonging]

Here's an opinion then:

I find CSL very suspicious because he's lurking instead of contributing at all to the thread.

I find DragonsofSummer suspicious now because he's blatantly wagoning on CSL, and even though it was RVS, it's still just trying to get him closer to a lynch.

I'd like to hear more from sorasgoof (since he hasn't posted in a while) and see what he says about this

[TheLonging]

I find CSL very suspicious because he's lurking instead of contributing at all to the thread.

I agree with that. CSL, post in here with opinions, please.

BUT, which is more suspicious, not acting, or acting scummy?

Not acting, because a lot of people can act scummy and they may not be scum. Mafia can just lurk so they reduce their chances of being noticed and not called upon until the later rounds.

[TheLonging]

Hi Pie.

I contradict myself because I think I realized after a few minutes thinking that random lynching is a bad idea. You know, because we're more likely to get a townie. Plus the gameplay isn't even good to start with.

@Longing: Why did you decide to wait two posts/ten minutes to vote Konowa? Did anything in the two posts before you give you a reason to call Konowa out? I'm not saying asking him what he thought was scummy, but it seems odd to me.

For one, I couldn't edit my post, so I made a new post.

Second, now I know it was a bad move that put me in a pretty bad light. At the time, my reason for voting for Konowa was that he was asking more questions to people asking them on their thoughts of the game than actually trying to provide a case with what he thought (42 proving me wrong.) (This sentence made more sense in my head for some reason). Large majority of his posts are *vote random player, ask questions, unvote* repeat. Maybe that's his playing style, but I don't know his playing style, which is why I voted for him.[/url]

[TheLonging]

And by gameplay, I mean playing by randomly lynching people. And also because random lynching isn't even coordinated; it's picking random people and hoping they're mafia.

as well as (I think) a misuse of a semicolon.

Whoops. Well I'm not perfect you know

[TheLonging]

What would be the point of keeping my vote on Konowa? There would be no point really. I voted for him to see what he would have to say besides voting for random people and questioning them. I unvoted him for that reason. (Again this made more sense in my head, I hope I explained it clear enough)

[TheLonging]

Also, what is the last line of your post supposed to mean, who are you voting for (or lack thereof)?

I'm confused, is this to me, or Parama?

[TheLonging]

Yes.

I said to Konowa "I didn't say there was no one suspicious" concerning the CSL bandwagon, which I did find suspicious, but I didn't think much of it because of RVS. Was that was the suspicion you had? Or was it something else?

[TheLonging]

A claim? Alright. My role is

Vanilla Townie

.

[TheLonging]

/facepalm

Wow. I just noticed that. That's a major error that I should have caught.

[TheLonging]

Well I honestly DIDN'T notice it. I didn't know what people were talking about, and thought they were referring to a previous post I made (the one before where I contradict myself.) I had to look at my posts for a while before I finally caught it, since I read the first line as something totally different.

[TheLonging]

But I can see why someone would find me suspicious partly because of how I contradicted myself. That was a boo-boo.

[TheLonging]

OK, I have a lot to catch up on apparently. I'll be reading over the last page or so and posting replies

[TheLonging]

@TheLonging: Out of all of the people voting for you currently, who do you think are most likely scum? In addition, if you could choose the lynch for today, who would you choose and why?

For the former question; out of all the people voting for me currently? Well I'm not so sure, although I'm inclined to say RichardGHP because of his intital reluctance to vote for me (which isn't bad in itself) and trying to say he wasn't attacking Nvay, even though he wasn't really. Like he's being overly careful of what he's doing. I wouldn't call that an outright sign of being scummy though. It's hard to say, I mean I have 8 or 9 people who voted for me, there may be someone in there who's bound to be scum. My FoS is on Richard, but really, that's it.

For the latter question; I wouldn't want to choose anyone to lynch because no one has been acting that scummy aside from me. Richard may be scum but I don't think his being overly careful is scumtell at all: it's probably his style of play. I wouldn't choose to lynch him.

@longing, why did you use the green font? Why not just say vanilla. did you copy and paste? if so from where?

I copy and pasted it from my role PM. Which is why I used the green font.

@TheLonging - What do you think of the bandwagon on you diminishing a little?

I don't really think much of it, just that some people are unvoting me because they may think I'm not scum.

[TheLonging]

For the latter question; I wouldn't want to choose anyone to lynch because no one has been acting that scummy aside from me. Richard may be scum but I don't think his being overly careful is scumtell at all: it's probably his style of play. I wouldn't choose to lynch him.

Are you saying that you still have zero suspicions? Not even a little? Looks to me like you're trying to avoid committing to any sort of conclusion.

Actually no, I AM suspicious of Richard, but he doesn't seem completely scum etc. Doesn't mean I'm not suspicious of him.

[TheLonging]

@TheLonging: what in particular makes you suspicious of Richard?

One of the reasons is that he's seeming to be overly careful, like his post where he says that he wasn't attacking Navy where he didn't even do anything like that, or being hesitant to vote for me. Trying to defend himself from a bandwagon even though it really wasn't one. Trying to use noobishness and lurking as an excuse for not doing so well (I swear there's a better word for me to use than this, this isn't the right one)

[TheLonging]

That was simply a precaution. Had I not disclaimed that I didn't intend to attack Navy, people would have thought I had something against, him, which I don't. Was it overly careful? Probably. But I wouldn't have felt right not putting that there.

Call it paranoia, if you like, but I felt I needed to have that in there.

Ah, alright then.

[TheLonging]

The only new things I see suspicious are Richard trying to distance himself from Nvay so that in case Nvay flips scum Richard can try to say he wasn't involved in it (if Richard is scum). That's the only other thing I found suspicious about Richard though; my points about him in post 223 still apply

[TheLonging]

Alright, so, I'm back from my healthy 12 hour sleep. Let me catch up a bit here.

How about Richard trying to distance himself from Navy so that if Richard flips scum, a lynch more likely to happen, Navy wont be dragged down as a scum buddy?

Thoughts on that scenario TL?

I'd like to believe that, but I think Richard thought that Navy was pro-town, he wouldn't want to come off as attacking someone who was on the side of the town, so that if Navy was NK'd/lynched and comes up pro-town, Richard wouldn't be seen as attacking a pro-town member (provided Richard is alive at that point). It could always go the way you put it though.

I predict that Richard's defense will be subpar.

Well you're not wrong there. IIRC, that's three votes? Four? Someone let me know.

Fuck man, at least try to defend yourself. You're just giving off an "I don't really care anymore" vibe.

[TheLonging]

PBPA on RichardGHP:

Heh, this takes me back to SH Mafia Day 1, where we were throwing votes around for no reason whatsoever.

Anyway, no vote just yet. Maybe later on today.

It irritates me when you talk about previous games, but it isn't proof that you're scum. Do you know what RVS stands for?

R

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V

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tage. That point bothers me.

I sense a bandwagon forming on me here. Hmm...

Vote: Fugitive

You were quick to follow ready2rock's vote for me. That SCREAMS bandwagon. Also, it's not my fault that I don't know what RVS is, and to be honest, that's pretty poor reasoning for a vote.

A fuck-all bandwagon of 3 votes. Fugitive's vote on you wasn't a "Let's lynch this mofo now" vote, it was more or less a random vote. Not REALLY a bandwagon vote. Your vote on him was more of a OMGUS vote. Noobclaiming post #1

It wasn't OMGUS. I provided reasoning. I don't get how not mentioning the CSL wagon is scum, but whatever. Your vote on me was pretty random. I know that's normally what happens on Day 1, but I guess it's kinda strange going back to it in a new game.

The reasoning being that he bandwagoned against you when he didn't. You mentioned the bandwagon on yourself, when CSL had 5 votes against him, and that was clearly a bandwagon.

I neither OMGUS'd nor noobclaimed. I genuinely did not know what RVS was (as in stood for), although I now do. I personally disagree with it but I guess that's the only way to go on Day 1.

My vote wasn't OMGUS. I provided reasoning. It wasn't just a vote for the sake of a vote, or a vote out of spite. For now,

Unvote: Fugitive

and we'll see what happens later on.

OK then lol. Your meta is to overreact and be extremely defensive when one vote is made against you, but it was an OMGUS vote simply because "Oh my God, you voted for me during the RVS stage. You suck."

Pretty much. I got lynched today in the SH mafia game (as Saulus) and I was really caught up in that trying to defend myself for the past few RL days, and that kinda carries over to here. With me out of that game, it'll give me more time to focus on this one so expect more activity from me in the future.

Unneeded reference to SH game Post #2 (it's annoying). Alright then, I hope so.

Richard is acting like he usually does, but him noobclaiming by now is old. Especially if he's gonna mod a game on a forum that most of this games' players go to? Yeah, he's no noob.

*sigh* I've said it once and I'll say it again: I am

NOT

noobclaiming. I simply didn't know what an acronym stood for. If you're going to hold that against me, I can't stop you, but I'd like to point out that I think it would be pretty stupid to do so.

I like InflatablePie's post. We're not holding it against you, we're just pointing out all the times that you noobclaim.

A page or so later, bandwagon forms on me etc.

If I don't hear anything from TheLonging, I'll cast my vote to him. In fairness, at least he has posted

something

, but not posting at all is better than posting with little or no content to add. I can't recall him adding any decent insight into the game and his persona in general seem a bit off.

Reluctance to vote for me. Being overly careful. Like I said, posting something is better than not posting at all, since scum have a tendency to lurk. At this point in the game it's only been a RL day or so.

Vote: TheLonging

Bogre pretty much sums it up for me, although I do disagree that being concerned about being voted for suggests scum. Nobody wants to be lynched (unless there's a Jester), right? I think he's not wrong in trying to deflect suspicion from himself, and I'm guessing that is what a lot of people want to do this early on.

However, his demeanour as of late is somewhat suspicious. There is plenty to discuss by now, and not being able to give an opinion - and even stating that he can't give an opinion - makes him sound like scum trying to keep out of harm's way by not saying anything he's not supposed to or shouldn't say.

Bandwagon. Jesters don't try to outright be lynched, they try to at least act town while adding a bit of scuminess here and there. Yeah I didn't give an opinion, even when there was a lot to discuss. That bandwagon ride must have been comfy eh?

I am in no way trying to attack Navy here, but "Consistently contributing throughout the entire game with go(o)d thoughts" does not necessarily constitute a pro-town player. Someone is the SH game (keeping them anonymous for their sake) did exactly this, and was always considered pro-town. Then they flipped scum. There's no guaranteeing that a similar process will happen in this game, but it's a little early in the game to be making an assessment like that.

Here's the post no one really mentioned a lot. "I'm not gonna attack Navy, on the chance that he is pro-town, I don't want people to see that I'm scum so I'll try and distance myself from him." You didn't even attack him. You're only adding suspicion on yourself by saying that. SH Post #3

FoS: curiouskarmadog, DragonsofSummer, Konowa, malpascp, RichardGHP, CCARaven4, pman5595

I'm not sure I agree with that huge 7-way FoS, but I can see where you're coming from this early in the game. Still, pointing a FoS at 7 people at once is not exactly the most pro-town thing to do at this point.

There's no way you could see where he is coming from. Considering one of those people are you. I like how you don't even ask him why he's suspicious of you.

@Pie, I didn't want people to think that I had suspicions on Navy, beacuse, well, I don't at this point. I was just pointing out the fact that good contributions isn't always a town-tell. That said, I do intend to contribute more to this game than I did the SH one, whatever my role may be.

You didn't have suspicions on him at that point? So why did you say "I am in no way attacking Navy"? SH reference #4.

As for my top-3 scum candidates: TheLonging is one, for obvious reasons.

OK that's one, who are the other 2?

I haven't really been paying attention to the thread, apart from the TheLonging saga, so I don't really have any reads on anyone else yet. Later tonight, you can probably expect a more detailed post with my thoughts on everyone who has posted thus far, included will be who I think could be scum.

Ooh, TheLonging Saga. It has a nice ring to it. You haven't been paying attention to the thread? Funny, I'd figure you'd have at least ONE other person to focus on, considering all that was happening.

@pie: I don't think that reluctance to vote is scum tell, it's more of a style of play.

A voteless townie would also explain reluctance (which is in fact inability) to vote. Either way, we can't determine that this early in the game.

I don't know how to interpret this post. What are you saying, that if a townie doesn't vote, he doesn't have the ability to? Your reluctance to vote isn't scum tell, the way you play isn't scum tell, it's how you're handling the situation.

Ah. I wasn't even sure of who they meant, but I was just stating a possibility.

The possibility that if someone doesn't vote, it's either how they play, or scumtell?

One and a half pages later...

I had started to doubt my vote previously, but his claim sealed the deal. The way I see it, we have no hard evidence that he is a VT, or any non-scum role for that matter. Claiming Vanilla Townie doesn't do you a whole lot of good. I can attest to that from personal experience. We're technically all claiming townie, and the fact that he seemed slightly eager to claim, only to claim VT, cements him as highly suspicious in my eyes.

Judging by this post, you seemed utterly inable to think that I was anything but Scum. I wasn't eager to claim at all. I was at L-1/L-2, I felt like I had a right to claim.

Question for you, Richard. What do you consider town-tells?

Honestly? Nothing at this point. I don't have the experience to know a definite town-tell, if there are any. Regardless, I still don't think I/we can trust anybody at this stage.

Oh lawds. I think your paranoia of Navy starts here. No, you can't trust anyone at any point in Mafia, unless you're sure they're pro-mafia/pro-town.

That is definitely suspicious, if not scummy. Blatantly stating that you haven't been paying attention to the thread? Interesting.

FoS: Richard

I don't get how it's suspicious, but whatever. I wouldn't say it's a scum-tell by itself, maybe lurking combined with bandwagoning and just general pro-Mafia attitudes.

I know you are against me bringing up the SH game, but when this one started I was honestly more focused on the SH one, as I was at L-1 or L-2, can't remember which. With me out of that one now, you can expect more activity from me in this game.

I lost count now, I think this is post #6. You're not playing the SH Mafia game anymore; you're playing this mafia game. Shut your mouth about it. It's suspicious because there was a fuckload of shit happening at that time; people were suspicious of quite a few others, including me and you. You couldn't find anyone else suspicious + you said you haven't been paying attention to the thread.

@Pie, it's not like I've been doing this for months or years. I've only played one game, and I didn't even last until endgame in that one. You have to give me time to be able to play this game as fluently as you guys do.

You did know what you were getting into though, right? Not even the point, most of the SH members haven't played more than 1 or 2 mafia games, but they knew what they were getting into when they signed up here.

@Parama, grab a deck of cards and deal with it.

I lol'd hard at this, and honestly I have no idea what to make of it.

NavyCherub asked me what I thought were town-tells. It could be because he wants to make the right choice when killing someone tonight. Of course, that's only assuming that he's scum and other than that, I get more of a pro-town vibe from him.

Or it could be because he was asking you what you thought were town-tells. See, keep adding the suspicion and paranoia on your posts, and you'll get more people to think you're scummy. Also I'm still waiting for that list you're talking about.

One of the reasons is that he's seeming to be overly careful, like his post where he says that he wasn't attacking Navy where he didn't even do anything like that.

That was simply a precaution. Had I not disclaimed that I didn't intend to attack Navy, people would have thought I had something against, him, which I don't. Was it overly careful? Probably. But I wouldn't have felt right not putting that there.

And now I get to this post. No one would have thought you were having something against him (and now I wonder if you do). The post in question was nowhere near attacking him. You only added suspicion onto yourself (for a short time) by putting that disclaimer that. Paranoia does not make for a good excuse.

Paranoia is scummy

Tell me why paranoia is scum-like.

Excuses to vote for a townie.

I see, but I didn't use paranoia as an excuse to vote. I used it to make sure that people didn't misinterperate my post as to think that I want Navy gone,

which I don't, at least not yet.

How the FUCK did someone miss that? You're implying that you want him gone, and you might be scum? What the hell? Nice subtle way of doing that though, no one caught on!

I don't think noobclaiming is the only thing I do. I'm sure you were exaggerating but I would appreciate you being a little more realistic next time.

You don't just noobclaim, you also like to say that other people are asking you what you think are town-tells so that they can NK someone. Also, paranoia.

Again, put this one down to paranoia. Someone suspects me, I try to explain my actions.

Bullshit. No one suspected you of anything. That was after the fact.

He seems pretty pro-town to me. The only thing I can recall that's semi-suspicious about him is the fact that he asked me what I thought was a town-tell. Who knows if he wanted opinions to help him choose his NK?

Only you thought of that.

To sum up, he seems town, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that he has a killing role of some sort. At least not yet.

So you know that he does have a killing role?

I predict that Richard's defense will be subpar.

Well you're not wrong there. IIRC, that's three votes? Four? Someone let me know.

"Just to tell you guys, I feel like I give up on this game. I'm not gonna bother to defend myself and just agree with Pie."

I'm trying, but you guys aren't exactly making it easy. I predict that this will run similar to my last game - no matter what I say or do, people will find flaws that suggest I am scum, regardless my true alignment. People will lynch me if they convince themselves that I am scum.

Why should we make it easy? We're scum-hunting, we want to kill the mafia as soon as we can, and we want to do it right with minimum townie casualties. It's not that no matter what you say or do, we'll find flaws that suggest that you're scum. It's the way you're responding to people who question you that's suspicious.

Vote: RichardGHP

I wanna see how you respond to Nicodemus, Fugitive, and I.

[TheLonging]

Fugitive: I know, I just wanted to add my own thoughts, since the only one who even struck a chord as suspicious in my mind was Richard.

Richard: No one asked for a claim. You're being claim-happy. You're not even remotely close to a lynch. You raised another bar up my suspicion meter, so my vote still sticks to you.

[TheLonging]

You want to see how I react?

I claim Jack of all Trades.

What exactly is the Jack of All Trades? I don't see it on the Wiki anywhere. Or Google, for that matter. What can you do?

From the wiki:

The Jack-of-all-trades is a role with several one-shot night abilities - typically investigating, protecting and killing.

Their alignment can also be pro-town and anti-town. Richard's early claim was sort of dumb, but if his claim is right and he's anti-town...

[TheLonging]

Ha, I found it under the letter J in the roles page.

[TheLonging]

I truly believe RichardGHP is scum, which is why I voted for him.

[TheLonging]

Richard: Can you elaborate this post for me?

I used it to make sure that people didn't misinterperate my post as to think that I want Navy gone, which I don't, at least not yet.

That part bothers me, and it does give me the idea that you want Navy dead, whether through lynching or NK'ing. Can you explain that post and what you ment by it?

[TheLonging]

and if I felt so inclined, I would in fact want him gone.

so basically when he gets called out on, you'll hop to that bandwagon?

I'm curious. When InflatablePie told you who you thought the top 3 suspicious players were in your opinion, you only listed me for "obvious reasons", and said that no one else was suspicious. Have things changed, and you found someone else to be suspicious? I probably missed it a couple pages or so back, just making sure.

[TheLonging]

also, R2R is a much better wagon.....

Bullshit, I don't see how R2R is a much better wagon than RichardGHP. How do you think he is?

[TheLonging]

By the way, I have no idea what to think of Richard at this point, so I am now off of his wagon. Now all I need to do is to make my claim in green font at some point and ckd won't suspect me anymore. [/sarcasm]

Was that whole bit being sarcastic, or only the part about ckd?

[TheLonging]

I'm not really comfortable believing RichardGHP's claim still. Sure it seems beyond his capability to look it up and try to fake it... but I wouldn't put it completely beyond him.

I suggest you do use your investigation tonight, Richard. Someone better protect you, though, or it won't matter one way or the other. If you aren't mafia, I'll bet the mafia targets you tonight.

You slipping up a bit there sorasgoof?

FoS: sorasgoof

[TheLonging]

Also, how did Soras slip up?

I'm assuming it's because he brought up that I could be roleblocked, where it hadn't been brought up before and might have put an idea into the mafia's head.

That was exactly it.

[TheLonging]

LOL, wasnt R2R on your wagon at one point? Interesting connection. please comment on why I dont think richard is a good lynch today...then explain to me WHY richard is a better lynch? Why do you think that statement is bullshit? Why did you not address the post directly before that statement?

I know he was on my wagon. I found nothing overly suspicious about R2R. I know I probably missed something but nothing really stood out overall as scummy. You don't think Richard isn't a good lynch because you believe his claim as Jack Of All Trades. I forgot if you commented on anything else about Richard, but the only thing I remember you talking about Richard was after he claimed. I think he's a better lynch because of all his posts combined together (or the vast majority of them) are scummy. I can't really believe his claim as much as you do.

so let me get this straight. You dont believe Richard's claim, and as "town" dont want an attempt to see an investigation? Furthermore, you think that sora might have "slipped", but it only deserves an "fos" over someone who might or might not have an investigation?....interesting...can you please confirm this is your stance.

I don't believe his claim. Like I said before, I don't think he'd go so far to fake a claim like that, but I wouldn't put it beyond him.

Unvote: RichardGHP

I wanna see if Richard's claim is true... if it is, I'll back off. His playing is scummy, but I don't mind seeing if his role is true. If it is I'll back off on him.

As for sora: He's been consistently posting stuff that seem pro-town. His comment made his suspicious level rise quickly in my eyes, but it didn't really overrule it my current vote. His other posts have been pro-town, so I didn't think it was really worth a vote, but he seems like if he keeps doing something suspicious/scummy like that, I'm most likely voting for him.

[TheLonging]

-r2r, interesting you are speaking for the longing now. Why don’t you let him state if it is a stance or not.

I'd rather not have him speaking for me. If he wants to respond to one of my points directed to someone else because he wants me to clarify it or to call me out on it, fine, but I don't want him speaking for me. It annoyed me a bit too.

[TheLonging]

Also, I was thinking about this last night, and really, the Vanilla Townie claim does nothing for me to know what role they actually have.

If you're a town power role, you would claim Vanilla Townie so that the Mafia doesn't target you at night.

If you're actually Vanilla Townie, it would be stupid to claim anything but that, if you claim power role, Mafia will kill you, and if you claim Mafia, you shouldn't be playing.

And finally, if you're Mafia, again, you would claim Vanilla Townie because if you claim any power role, people are going to want to know the results of your power role as soon as you use it.

Going back to when I decided against dropping the hammer on TheLonging, I hadn't thought it all the way through, and if I could go back, I would have voted and hammered him. There was so much good evidence against him, and the claim really shouldn't have changed my thinking at all, but I let it rattle me. I didn't want to be that guy that hammers a townie, but there was so much more evidence for him to be mafia than town.

unvote: RichardGHP
Vote: TheLonging

There's a couple things wrong with this:

Yes I am Vanilla Townie. If I was scum, I'd obviously wouldn't claim that because it'd make me look suspicious if I claimed that. Since I'm not scum, I wouldn't claim a power role because I know mafia would kill me the next night. Of course, no one believes me anyways (for good reason, mafia more likely to claim VT, etc.).

Also can you point out this overwhelming evidence that you claim makes me mafia? My supposed OMGUS vote against Konowa was really the same thing that he was doing; voting for random people wishy washy, asking them a question, unvoting, moving on to the next person to vote, etc. I voted for him in the same manner to show that that's not really a good way to play. I didn't know it'd turn people right against me, but whatever, can't take it back.

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RichardGHP is on my suspicion list because of the general way he has been playing nearly every post of the day, and I can't believe his JoT claim, though I'm willing to give him a day to prove himself, if his claim is right. sorasgoof's last few recent posts seemed very suspicious, and, in my eyes anyways, may have hinted that he could be mafia/giving mafia hints on what to do. Maybe it's possible that RichardGHP and sorasgoof are connected, but I doubt it.

[TheLonging]

EBWOP: Whoops forgot to add my vote to sorasgoof

Vote: sorasgoof

[TheLonging]

-ok, in response to being "soft" on TheLonging:

1.

This is a game. Don't take it too personally, remember to have fun,

respect the other players

and play to win.

Just want to point out this, you do need to respect the other players, but that doesn't mean you can't be forceful or a bit harsh sometimes. Just don't do that 24/7

[TheLonging]

He knows quite well that they aren't new players, because Pman was quite active in the Scorehero mafia game, of which he wasn't even a part of. Technically, based on my knowledge of Pman, he's more "new" than both TheLonging and RichardGHP.

Vote: Pman5595

haveing played one game is still new

sorasgoof's point was that you're calling us new/noob players when you yourself are new, so you shouldn't be talking (I think).

[TheLonging]

Ever heard of lynch all liars?

That's a terrible way to play, because not only scum lies. Town lies to not reveal their power role (if they have one), and if we play by Lynch All Liars, it'd be a horrible way to play this game.

[TheLonging]

I dislike this stupid argument.

-Lynch anyone caught in a lie. They are most likely Scum, and if they aren't, then lynching them might teach them that they should not lie.
-Confusion and lies are two of the best weapons of Mafia

Confusion and lies are indeed two of the best weapons of the mafia. However, if someone who has a power role lies about it and says they're plain old townie/claims another power role so the mafia doesn't kill them at night, should we lynch him/her?

[TheLonging]

@Pman- No, that's not right at all. More like completed the game on Medium. That's pretty experienced, actually. They saw it through from beginning to end, just like TheLonging and Richard did.

You are misunderstanding pman's point.

He is exactly right, even though I don't like the feeling he's giving off (he's on my suspicion list, but not too high up compared to you and Richard). You're saying that one game qualifies for experience, while pman says it takes a few games or so to really be experienced. Can we stop this stupid argument?

[TheLonging]

I didn't call sorasgoof stupid, nor did I insult him, I called the argument stupid. The argument is basically if one game in progress makes someone experienced, which turns into sorasgoof misinterpeting pman's posts, twice.

[TheLonging]

1. Claiming noobishness isn't scummy: yes it is, newbishness can be an excuse for scummy actions and makes the players have to debate over whether somebody really is scum of if they're just noobish.

He's played a total of 0 games and this is his first. Granted he should have known what he was getting into, but he IS a noob.

[TheLonging]

1. Claiming noobishness isn't scummy: yes it is, newbishness can be an excuse for scummy actions and makes the players have to debate over whether somebody really is scum of if they're just noobish.

He's played a total of 0 games and this is his first. Granted he should have known what he was getting into, but he IS a noob.

I was in the Scorehero game, too. That one isn't over yet, but I was night killed a while ago.

...ok, my bad, forgot you were in there

[TheLonging]

@ longing, who are your top two scum suspects?

I thought I said this, but sorasgoof and RichardGHP.

[TheLonging]

Yes I am Vanilla Townie. If I was scum, I'd obviously wouldn't claim that because it'd make me look suspicious if I claimed that. Since I'm not scum, I wouldn't claim a power role because I know mafia would kill me the next night. Of course, no one believes me anyways (for good reason, mafia more likely to claim VT, etc.).

I love fucking statements that start off with “if I was mafia…” Curious, if you were mafia, what would you claim then?

In the couple games I have played before this, mafia have claimed doctor, cop, vigilante, and psychologist. They fooled many people to the end of the game. One on-going game I am playing had mafia claiming vanilla townie, and only fooled people because he played smart and avoiding suspicion in a pro-town like manner. The other one also claimed VT and got lynched quickly because of all the scummy things he had done in the previous days. Mafia usually claim power roles from what I've seen because they won't get killed by their own mafia, plus the town generally believes them (at least for a while).

[TheLonging]

EBWOTP: Nice OMGUS there Parama. >_>

nunununu, see, his reasoning is valid, and I agree on him with many points. Your logic for one is flawed: eliminate VT's since only their

vote

counts, which is one of the best weapons in the game, and keep power roles, including yourself (according to your false(?) claim) because they have the ability to do stuff at night. Are you saying that we SHOULDN'T lynch you because you're JoaT? By your logic, we should wait until you use all your one-shot abilites, then lynch you, since the only power you have then is to vote. That logic, and that scenario, doesn't sit well with me.

You are suspicious of Parama because he said to stop speculating. Hey Richard! Stop being paranoid! Stop speculating! Stop falsely assuming that everyone has connections to the mafia!

You also overreact on every little question we pose to you (slight exaggeration but my point stands). Can't you calm down? It makes you look like the bad guy. You haven't even responded to Parama's and I's posts on you, only responded to bball's.

He has a perfectly good reason to vote for you. I have a good reason to vote for you, which I've repeated a lot throughout.

Unvote: sorasgoof

Vote: RichardGHP

[TheLonging]

nunununu, see, his reasoning is valid

My vote on Fugitive was valid yet that

was

OMGUSing? And Parama's vote on me isn't? Interesting.

You voted him because he was bandwagoning when he wasn't, and it was very much like an OMGUS vote.

eliminate VT's since only their

vote

counts, which is one of the best weapons in the game

While I don't dispute that, you still don't know if he really is a VT or not.

Well in that quote, I was talking about your logic, not Parama, though I don't know what role anyone truly is.

[quote="RichardGHP"

You also overreact on every little question we pose to you (slight exaggeration but my point stands).

That's my style of play.[/quote]
I believe you, but you do overreact on a lot of stuff. Haven't noticed that a lot recently.

You haven't even responded to Parama's and I's posts on you, only responded to bball's

I do have a life, you know, and I don't have the time or motivation to write several detailed defences when one can cover all.

Well I assume everyone has a life, obviously. And fair enough.

Vote: RichardGHP

Voting for a pro-town PR? Suspicious.

This holds no weight at all, a lot of people have voted for you, yet you single me out.

[TheLonging]

@TheLonging - Who are your top 3 town and scum suspects? with some description. I don't need huge descriptions as I've been reading posts, maybe just little bulleted lists. but post what you like no matter how long or short as I can't make you answer me (obviously).

People I Think Are Town (In No Particular Order)

1. Bogre - Despite the fact that he's away from the thread for a long period of time, whenever he does come and post, he posts in a way that's very pro-town and scumhunts.
   
2. InflatablePie - I'd be shocked if he was mafia. He provides logical evidence and arguments whenever he questions someone/defends someone.
   
3. Nicodemus - Actually posts all his thoughts and evidence for/against before making decisions.

People I Think Are Scum (In No Particular Order)

1. RichardGHP: I'll state all my thoughts about him in here that I've talked about a lot: overreactive, paranoid, occasional bits of noobclaiming, OMGUS voting on occasion, hypocritical at times, and his claim doesn't seem valid.
   
2. sorasgoof: Doing well until he was talking about mafia roleblockers, then tried to defend himself by backtracking a lot, and doing bad at it, trying to throw all suspicion on Richard, and I think he jumped on a bandwagon.
   
3. diddin: finds free rides on bandwagons, uses flawed arguments against people, his No Lynch vote.

Preview Edit: EtheralCookie is being replaced? Ouch.

Anyway, of the two, Soras and Richard, Soras is the better lynch because we have some chance of verifying Richard and his JoaT clam, though so far no one has mentioned the posibility that he could be a scummy JoaT.

It could be that he's a scummy JoaT; I just don't outright believe his claim at all. I'd love if we could verify Richard, then at the least, we know that he's a JoaT who's not playing too smart.

[TheLonging]

EBWOP: Yeah screwed up the 2nd list coding. Think I should have put

1. instead of
   • .
     
     
     I fixed it.

[TheLonging]

he quit becasue god opened up the heavens and told him he had too.

God doesn't exist

Well maybe he does but we just don't know <___<

[TheLonging]

ready2rock: I'd like to read what you have posted so far actually. Interested in it.

[TheLonging]

I saw Raven in these forums yesterday night.

Isn't Konowa on V/LA?

[TheLonging]

Question; an @everyone voting for Rich, since there's been some of those popping up:

Do you all realize you're voting for a provable? Admittedly, I made the same mistake when I voted for him earlier on, but I'm wondering why you guys would be so eager to change back your votes even after the discussion of letting Rich live for another day.

Yeah, but I really don't believe his claim. If it's true, I'm going to smack my head hard, but I really honestly don't believe him, just for all the things he's done throughout the game. I voted him back because of something scummy he's done/said to sorasgoof, but I think I am willing to give him a day. If he provides something on an investigation I'm willing to believe him for sure. Again I don't believe the claim but I am willing to try.

Unvote: RichardGHP

Vote: sorasgoof

[TheLonging]

I posted my reasons for thinking you're scum. I believe Richard is the best lynch if he's lying about his JoaT. I really think he's scum, but I don't want to risk a potential JoaT, so I unvoted him. I really do think you're scum, but I also think Richard is scum. However the chance that he's JoaT leads me to not lynching him for one day; if he lies he's most likely getting the ax. I also think diddin is scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him throughout the game, so I don't know how good of a lynch he is. You're the only other one left I think is scum.

[TheLonging]

I didn't say you two were bussing. Point out where I said that.

What you got from that is what was different from what I typed. I didn't pay attention to him that much since the beginning of the day, though I know that his No Lynch vote and his bandwagon on me with no reasoning is bad enough. Plus he votes you and Richard with little reasoning and some bad logic. I have read his posts, and I have bothered, just not for all of them.

[TheLonging]

Ah I missed what you were saying in your first post. Yes I believe you're grabbing at each other's necks, but I do think you two are scum (just don't know if one of you really are town). I think if anything, if one of you dies, then we could prove if the other is town or scum quickly. It's getting a bit complicated honestly. Also did you read my response to your response about diddin?

[TheLonging]

Well it's more towards the 2nd statement you made. One of you must be scum but I'm not sure who. If one of you were NK'd/lynched, I'm sure it'd show that the other is clearly scum/town. It's not just night role speculation sorasgoof, I voted for you for other reasons. I'll look at diddin tomorrow, need to sleep now.

[TheLonging]

It's been 5 days since CCARaven4 has posted. Is he eligible for a prod?

[TheLonging]

EBWOP: I really want to see what he has to say on the game so far.

[TheLonging]

His anger at there being noobs in the game

[citation needed]

Also CryMeARiver: Who do you think are scum based on what you read?

[TheLonging]

So basically Pie, what you are saying is that, provided his claim is right, we let him use 1 of his 4 abilities and then lynch him without regarding his OTHER 3 abilities? I don't know, that doesn't really sit right. Of course if you lynch him, you can prove if he's a confirmed townie, but then what happens to the other 3 abilities he was given that you completely disregard?

[TheLonging]

diddin:

His anger at there being noobs in the game

[citation needed]

Why do you think Cookie was angry at there being noobs in the game and how does this confirms CryMeARiver's innocence?

[TheLonging]

Also, lulz at Bogre suggesting a wagon on people who have been wagoning. Hypocritical, much?

no

@Dizzy: I feel as if I've been able to defend my points better on my recent votes for soras and Richard than my vote for TL. I actually think soras is scum and have defended my reasoning on my vote for him on a few occasions.

Except what you're doing is that you're not providing any new thoughts on why you think sorasgoof is scum, just restating reasons posted before. Same for Richard. If sorasgoof is mafia or Richard is mafia, will you think that the other is immediate is town?

we let him use 1 of his 4 abilities and then lynch him without regarding his OTHER 3 abilities? I don't know, that doesn't really sit right. Of course if you lynch him, you can prove if he's a confirmed townie, but then what happens to the other 3 abilities he was given that you completely disregard?

I think the point is that his other three roles aren't really provable in any way. Though I do not agree with thinking today about if we should lynch him tomorrow, as situations change and the town should adapt to them, I see where Pie is coming from.

ah I see. Is it really a bad idea to let him use his other 3 roles though? Should we have to lynch him after he investigates?

FoS: diddin

Not liking you at all, the way you've been playing has been quite odd.

[TheLonging]

I'd rather hear on what he has to say first, then vote, although I'm not expecting too much from him.

[TheLonging]

CMAR: It's obvious that CCR could be wrong because a scum would be crazy to call JoaT. It's actually going to be hard to fake the investigation, or any of his other abilities. That's where CCR's logic is flawed.

Beep diddin.

[TheLonging]

I think that if one of Richard or Soras flips town, the other one is probably scum, or vice versa. But I'm

unvoting

for now, as the only real weight one holds against the other is just meaningless speculation. I thought soras was scum, but I think the soras-Richard war has caused so much confusion that what could be scumtells might be those two out to get each other.

So you think one of them is scum, but since each are arguing with each other over "meaningless speculation"... you're saying that they might be scum because of meaningless speculation?

Everyone is speculating at this point, intentionally or not. Seems like you're arguing a point sort of dropped 1 or 2 pages ago.

[TheLonging]

I'd gladly go for a diddin lynch, or a CCARaven4 lynch. Maybe a sorasgoof lynch, or a pman5595 lynch but I don't think he's as scummy as he was before, although he certainly is up there. Not Richard, because I'd like to see if he can back up his claim.

1. diddin
2. CCARaven4
3. sorasgoof/pman5595

Unvote: sorasgoof

Vote: diddin

[TheLonging]

Also, I think someone said on this page that pman isn't as scummy as he was before (TheLonging actually said this). Why? Is it because he's been semi-lurking, and he hasn't been able to slip up?

I also included you in that statement

[TheLonging]

I'm having a lot of trouble with a top three scum list, because I was so focused on Richard for a few days that I don't have anyone else on the radar at the moment.

3. Richard I don't really know if either of these guys are scum, but they've seemed suspicious to me.

Weren't you so fired up on making a case on him for a few real life days? You should clearly have no trouble putting him on the top of your list.

[TheLonging]

The sole fact that Richard could be town, or scum, which in turn could tell us about Navy (since he was trying to distance himself from Navy earlier) and me (if he was scum looking for a free bandwagon etc.)

I never noticed DoS before since he rarely posted at all Parama. Very good; I was wondering why I never thought about him.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

Also the fact that all of his votes were essentially bandwagon votes, and he's the trumpet player, but really really bad at it.

[TheLonging]

EBWOP: Not liking the "I don't like the DoS wagon, but what the hell, I'll hop on anyways!" post from sora.

He said "I find this DoS wagon strange, but maybe he's scum, and I provided my own reason for joining it along with Parama's post, so I'll climb on."

Also don't wait until he posts content for you to post content durr, post content NOW. This is partly why people were suspicious of you to start with.

[TheLonging]

So why do you not vote for him?

[TheLonging]

Mod: Due to serious stuff happening now, I will bw V/LA for a period of 2-7 days. I will be back, no need to replace me.

[TheLonging]

I would like to hear from DedicatedScribe. Anybody agree?

No, because he/she needs time to read over the thread and post his/her thoughts. Give it time man.

Also I'm using my mom's laptop for 30 min. a day at the end of the day, so I'll respond to anything then.

[TheLonging]

Well I knew that diddin could possibly scum... but I usually skipped over his posts because of his numerous silly posts... but they're really that bad?

DoS: Not a good way to get rid of suspicion but I think you would only say that if you weretown and frustrated at us.

diddin: ok obvscum

Unvote: DragonsOfSummer

Vote: diddin

be back tomorrow night. peace

[TheLonging]

EBWOP

I don't really know what to think of Dragons, I think he needs to post more, he hasn't done anything EXTREMELY scummy to me.

so you're not sure he 100% scum? what do you find scummy about him?

[TheLonging]

Ok one more post for soras

I dont think its nessecairly pro town but its more pro town than diddins (all imo) and it seems like he was talking in at least a pro own attituted. diddin doesnt seem to be trying

[TheLonging]

Okay, just need to wait for DoS's response, but that response makes me think that a DoS - diddin scumteam is not out of the question. If he hasn't done anything scummy to you, then at the very least you probably didn't read my 874, since I pointed out basically everything scummy that DoS has done.

Of course DoS has done scummy things. Everybody does something scummy occasionally. But I thought your 874 didn't have enough arguments to lock him in as scum for me.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS SCUMMY ABOUT DoS.

[TheLonging]

Whoops Caps Lock. my bad

[TheLonging]

Well Day 1 has been interesting, to say the least. Can't wait to see what will happen tomorrow.

[TheLonging]

Richard: Who did you investigate, and what are the results?

[TheLonging]

EBWOP: Also, why did you investigate that person last night?

[TheLonging]

On the one hand I am inclined not to believe Richard because of no result. However, Navy blocking Richard is way too suspicious not to ignore. Seems like Navy had it planned out. If Navy is town then Richard seems like an ideal lynch tomorrow.

Navy: Wouldn't it make more sense to target someone who wasn't lurking?

Vote: RichardGHP

[TheLonging]

WOOOOOOOOW wrong person

Unvote: RichardGHP

Vote: NavyCherub

[TheLonging]

Yep that's a lynch.

[TheLonging]

Is one of his abilities to scan? If so, and you want him to take the risk, have him scan me if he chooses to.

[TheLonging]

Is one of his abilities to scan? If so, and you want him to take the risk, have him scan me if he chooses to.

I really don't like this post.

Why don't you like that post?

[TheLonging]

beep sorasgoof

Vote: pman5595

I've been suspicious of you since near the end of day 1. Voting records, scummy play D1... I'm not too suspicious of sorasgoof (I backed off at the end of D1 when I thought he was more noob than Richard scumteam, and Richard being town makes me think soras is town).

[TheLonging]

I don't know how it would be a bus, but ok.

[TheLonging]

So you guys don't know who the other neighbors are? Maybe it would help, I don't know much about the role itself though.

[TheLonging]

I just checked the page once more to see if I missed anything...the 4th neighbor mentioned this post after my last post at night....

Is one of his abilities to scan? If so, and you want him to take the risk, have him scan me if he chooses to.

this was a good catch....Longing, why did you feel it important to direct a possible investigation? With so many power roles floating about, there is probably a mafia GF around. This is a suspicious post.

looking forward to you post.

I want to prove that I am not suspicious, and if Richard wants to scan me to see if I am scum or not, he can and I am not afraid to show that I am innocent. Is my way of thinking flawed for you?

[TheLonging]

I am innocent, but since someone thought I was scum, and I want my innocence to be clear, I offered it as a suggestion. I know you used it, I was responding to CMAR (I think it was him) in that post. If you still had the investigation now, you could scan pman since he is suspicious. That's the only one that sticks out to me clearly as of now. You would be surprised if there is a Godfather? And I doubt there is, because if there is, that'd be seriously stupid.

There's probably one more scum left out of the 13 left?

Also, where is Konowa? I'd like to hear from him about what he thinks.

[TheLonging]

I knew that, but at the time I responded to CMAR, even though he had no investigation, I responded to CMAR as if he had an investigation.

[TheLonging]

OK but see you backed up your claim, so now I think you're town, even if you act scummy-like in the games you play.

Now to respond point by point!

A claim? Alright. My role is

Vanilla Townie

.

Safest possible claim in the game, no passive or active abilities make VT the easiest role for mafia to fakeclaim and softclaim, I do not like this claim. At all. Granted - a lot of honest townies claim VT - but this one just has a certain feel to it; I can't quite put my finger on it.[/quote]

Do you want me to lie and claim a PR, then not back up my claim, and get lynched because I mislead the town and distracted them from scumhunting? I'm only claiming my role.

Tell me what I supposedly backtracked on, context helps. Is it bad to admit mistakes?

For the former question; out of all the people voting for me currently? Well I'm not so sure, although I'm inclined to say RichardGHP because of his intital reluctance to vote for me (which isn't bad in itself) and trying to say he wasn't attacking Nvay, even though he wasn't really. Like he's being overly careful of what he's doing. I wouldn't call that an outright sign of being scummy though. It's hard to say, I mean I have 8 or 9 people who voted for me, there may be someone in there who's bound to be scum. My FoS is on Richard, but really, that's it.

So let me get this straight: You thought that I was scum because of my reluctance to vote you, which you even admitted wasn't bad in itself; furthermore you procede to call me out for being 'overly careful' which you also admit is not an outright scumtell. THEN you say that you had 8-9 people voting for you at that time, making your whole post sound like you just picked a random person from the pool of people voting for you and then disguise it as a FoS in an attemp to look pro-town[/quote]

You also distanced yourself from Navy, and Navy was scum, but since you proved your JoaT role, I don't think you're scum. I wasn't so sure, and you were one of the only ones who I thought were scum, but not overly, hence the FoS.

For the claim: I copied and pasted the role name, then paraphrased it (do I need to explain why I paraphrased it?)

I don't really think much of it, just that some people are unvoting me because they may think I'm not scum.

This post just tells me that he is scum relieved at his wagon dying out and he doesn't want to slip by voicing any opinion which could make him more suspicious.[/quote]

Or it says that I didn't think much of my diminishing wagon, because people unvoted me because A) They bandwagoned and hopped off or B) Thought I wasn't scum. Is that hard to believe? Weren't you relieved when your bandwagon died down so the town didn't lynch a JoaT?

The only new things I see suspicious are Richard trying to distance himself from Nvay so that in case Nvay flips scum Richard can try to say he wasn't involved in it (if Richard is scum).

TL is throwing in his two cents here with applying the "I'm going to distance myself from my scumbuddy so that when he flips scum" theory to me. And people call ME paranoid. There's some paranoia right there, and this doesn't just apply to TL - anyone who brought up this theory coupled with calling me paranoid is a hypocrite.[/quote]

I'm not being paranoid. Explain how. You could apply that theory to anyone, but you were suspicious to a lot of people at the time, so that's why people said that to you. If someone was trying to buddy to you (or scum trying to buddy you), wouldn't you want to distance yourself from them? Unfortunatly, we need to think with "Everyone is scum until proven otherwise." (or at least how everyone in the 3 games I have played played as), and you distanced yourself before claiming.

*Long and grueling PBPA of RichardGHP*

I HATE the aggression here. In fact, the entire PBPA is just terrible. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Before you say that I am OMGUSing, the fact that the PBPA was on me is irrelevant, I would've thought the same had it been on any other player, even if I was 100% sure that they were scum. I will quote bits of his PBPA.[/quote]

Sorry, should I be passive next time I PBPA someone? Also OMGUS applies to voting only (I think). I thought you were scum (hence PBPA'ing before your claim (I think)), and even after your claim I thought you were lying.

OK then lol. Your meta is to overreact and be extremely defensive when one vote is made against you, but it was an OMGUS vote simply because "Oh my God, you voted for me during the RVS stage. You suck."

I was sick and tired of hearing that my Fugi vote was OMGUS when it wasn't, and I actually heavily considered replacing out at the time. My reasoning was that Fugi bandwagoned onto me - the fact that his vote was on ME is irrelevant, again, I would've voted for him had the wagon been on any other player. OMGUS was not my grounds for the vote.[/quote]

Alright, I like this explanation.

Unneeded reference to SH game Post #2 (it's annoying).

Here's a question for you TL: Why do you hate references to past games, even when they are necessary?[/quote]

A lot of people didn't like the references, and were they necessary?

You didn't have suspicions on him at that point? So why did you say "I am in no way attacking Navy"?

This doesn't mae sense. At all.[/quote]

Let me clear this up. When you made that post, you said you were not suspicious of Navy. So why did you mention that you weren't attacking him, when your tone of post (lol) in that post wasn't attacking or aggressive?

Or it could be because he was asking you what you thought were town-tells. See, keep adding the suspicion and paranoia on your posts, and you'll get more people to think you're scummy.

Oh my God, this post just makes me LOL after Navy flipped scum. TL defending his scumbuddy perhaps?[/quote]

No, at the time I found Navy town, which is why I thought he was just asking you what you thought were town tells. You acted more scummy than him AT THE TIME.

Richard: No one asked for a claim. You're being claim-happy. You're not even remotely close to a lynch.

Who cares? The claim helped me get cleared[/quote]

A lot of people (me included) didn't believe it until you proved it.

Your paranoia did pay off, but it's still just not that good of play.

[TheLonging]

Why do you think I am scum CMAR?

[TheLonging]

Whoops just noticed bad tags. Not gonna fix that.

"1. random lynch good or bad? contradiction" Well you do know that RL is bad. In the IRC games I have played before this, RL helped us a lot, but not in forum games apparently. I even acknowledged it was bad.

"2. Day 1 is very useful as you get a feel for everyone"

You noticed how D1 had dragged on for ages with no leads for a while, and it took so long until we decided on a lynch? That's why I hate D1.

"3. Admitting that you OMGUS voted?"

Did you read why I voted for Konowa? Like, at all? You haven't. Read that part, then come back.

"7. I find CSL scummy, but I don't agree with the wagon on him...contradiction "

Wagon during RVS, I didn't like. Lurking throughout D1, I didn't like.

"6. I don't find anything about the CSL wagon scummy, but DoS is suspicious because he wagoned CSL...contradiction"

I think he wagoned on CSL long after RVS, which is why I found him suspicious.

"5. admitting that your posts have been terrible...either very noobish or scummy "

So I should assume all my posts are perfect from now on? I know they aren't perfect, they were in fact terrible. Not a scumtell at all?

"4. I didn't notice/noticed the CSL wagon...contradiction"

I didn't pay attention to wagons at all during the RVS, and noticed it when Navy brought it up.

Any more questions? I'll be back to answer them tomorrow morning.

[TheLonging]

"Yes, you acknowledged it was bad, I bolded that in two different places...I still don't understand why you wanted a random lynch...imagine someone as scum (or just yourself)...a random lynch in a large group is one of the best things they can get... " Implying I'm scum? Also I went off the mentality that I had on IRC games.

"Yes, but it still helps and trying to end it quickly is never a good thing...unless you are scum"
I'd rather have it in the middle, lynch scum, and have it take a couple of weeks or maybe 3 weeks... not a whole month plus. I understand it gives us time to lynch, but man.

"I read it, that is why I wondered why you said it was an OMGUS vote...I didn't see it that way at all "

It was in part an OMGUS vote... Konowa endlessly voted people just to ask them questions, when he didn't have to endlessly vote people. So I voted for him and asked him a question... and people jump on ME. It was in part an OMGUS vote for voting for me while it was also a vote to ask him a question, like what he did to everyone else.

"Ok, makes some sense...I don't consider 5 hours lurking exactly, but whatever "

He also lurked throughout the rest of D1, and I still found him suspicious throughout, but not as suspicious as the people I put on my scum list on D1.

"He wagoned on the overall post number 17...he practically began the RVS with this vote...so, wrong..."

RVS began before post 17. OK though, I was wrong about it. I admit it.

"No need to post that your posts suck though...if they do, it's obvious...it does provide a good noob cover up for scum though"

So you think by admitting my posts do suck, I'm covering up. Your logic and way of thinking.

"Someone didn't notice 5 votes on one person in the first 2-3 pages?...I find that rather hard to believe... "

In the RVS, do you want me to analyze every random vote ever? I was randomly voting, didn't notice CSL (I never pay attention to the random votes) bandwagon.

I got 10 minutes left before I sign off.

[TheLonging]

What... I voted diddin before, and thought Richard's claim was false, so I went to Richard, then went to diddin.

I was first suspicious of pman today. What are you talking about? You are not being smart. It was an honest mistake, I wanted to vote for Navy, but I accidently typed in Richard.

If you think I am scum, and everything I type is utterly false and scummy, then I can not convince you otherwise (seems like I can't convince you despite the fact that I am trying). When you lynch a townie, I will feel sorry for you, and still root the town on.

Honestly it's hard to debate with someone who refuses to at least consider my side. Oh well. At least you're providing some of the best arguments against me, I give you kudos for that. Anything else for me to answer? I got time.

[TheLonging]

Reading through your posts, you seem like I can not be anything but scum. You think it's an impossible idea that I could be town.

[TheLonging]

If that's how you play, then I'm not stopping you from playing. Anything else you want me to answer? I'll come in tomorrow morning to answer.

[TheLonging]

dang. I wanted to be the one who voted TheLonging.

When he said he wanted to be scanned, I took it as one of the most obvious of scumtells. And after reading his posts, nothing townie-ish to me.

vote the longing

CryMeARiver...I hate it when people do that.

It's an obvious scumtell? I never knew that, can you back up your vote with evidence?

If that's how you play, then I'm not stopping you from playing. Anything else you want me to answer? I'll come in tomorrow morning to answer.

Yeah, what did you learn as a neighbor...anything strike you as odd or worth reporting?

I'm not a neighbor. ckd can attest to this by the fact that I've never spoken to him during the night.

Can you point out when this happened? I can't find it. If this happened AFTER suspicion started on Navy, then you're almost definitely scum in my eyes. "I wanted to vote for Navy, the most OBVIOUS scum candidate, but I've found a way to 'vote' for him without actually doing it! I'll 'accidentally' vote for Richard! Genius!"

Well it was an honest mistake. Why would I vote for a proven JoaT? I'm coming out with this now: I didn't find Navy at all scum-like for his actions, but DizzyIzzy was really sure that he was scum, and I thought that if he wasn't right, he would be in really deep shit today. Also you seems so sure I'm scum. So vote for me.

OK, let me try a little experiment that I was thinking about the other day. Let's assume that TheLonging did break the rules and copy-pasted his role from his PM and got away with it. Would it still show up as green? As a sample, I will copy-paste a piece of text from the OP (Flareonage being sliced) which includes red, bold, and strikethrough text. Let's see how much of it shows up!

Drumroll!

malpascp Flareonage, Mafia Doctor, sliced Night 1

Well what do you know, no bold, no color, just plain text. Therefore, I am forced to conclude that he lied about the copy-paste from the PM.

I broke the rules by copying and pasting the role name, then paraphrased my role (VT). You know, clicking quote on your PM does wonders when you copy and paste.

This is a major catch and so true...I shall post about the rest of my suspicions (including you...) later today...if TheLonging makes it that far because this piece of evidence proves TheLonging to be FOR SURE SCUM!

It doesn't make me scum for sure, ready2rock is trying hard to base his vote on one reason. ckd is exactly right, what are you guys thinking at all?

At this point, you guys try hard to vote for me. ready2rock votes for me because I clicked quote on my PM, copy and pasted the text along with the tags, put it in my claim post, and paraphrase it. sorasgoof has a Major FoS on me because of my mistake, and he is suspicious of me, yet doesn't vote for me. Anyone else you find more scummy than me soras? DedicatedScribe outright bandwagons me, and his reason for voting for me is flimsy at best. If there is in fact a godfather and I get lynched, you guys better find that godfather. I'll be back from school at around 4PM EST. If I'm not lynched by then, I'll gladly answer questions you guys have about me by then.

[TheLonging]

mod rules are not to quote your PM. I only quoted the VT part and paraphrased my role but people thing I outright broke them

[TheLonging]

also, what exactly did you paraphrase and what post did you do it in?

And it wasn't even much of a paraphrase, since VT's have no abilities. here. does that count as breaking the rules at all (to anyone who said I was)?

I love starting with a triple post:

@soras, ready2rock, TheLonging: How do you feel about how you've played this game so far?

It's one of my better games that I've played out of all the total forum ones I've played. It's still a learning experience for me, but I think it's really good.

[TheLonging]

Also, Hi to ... only ckd...

jeez, where did the rest of you all come from =\

Most of us either got replaced or came from one certain forum and invaded this thread to play mafia <_<

[TheLonging]

No, I'm concerned that people think I'm breaking the rules when I'm clearly not.

[TheLonging]

So I'm at L-1. OK, if you guys want to mislynch today I'm fine, just as long as you hunt those scum down. I'm sticking with my guns and saying that pman is probably scum. You are 100% convinced I am scum; I am 100% sure you're wrong.

[TheLonging]

I'm also a bit shaky on AtE. What exactly does that mean, and can you point out examples?

[TheLonging]

Oh, that's AtE. That's how I usually play mafia, but I see that it can usually be bad. I've been trying to defend myself, and CMAR is the only one who listens.

sorasgoof: What do you think of my arguments/defenses for CMAR? Are they invalid at all?

[TheLonging]

EBWOP: *only one who is listening now

[TheLonging]

Does that mean who do you think are scum, or who do you know are scum?

[TheLonging]

"@TheLonging, Amished, sorasgoof, and Raven - Who are the remaining mafiascum?"

"Does that mean who do you think are scum, or who do you know are scum?"

I don't get what you are saying, but do you have any Kings?

[TheLonging]

Well my vote is on pman, and I really don't like DedicatedScribe for voting for me with a bad reason, but outside of that, I don't have suspicions on anyone else.

[TheLonging]

I don't know, I think he could go either way. I haven't played a game where there was a serial killer though so I don't know what SK's usually play as, and thus can't tell if he is a SK. I'm thinking he's probably more mafia than SK.

[TheLonging]

I don't know, I think he could go either way. I haven't played a game where there was a serial killer though so I don't know what SK's usually play as, and thus can't tell if he is a SK. I'm thinking he's probably more mafia than SK.

[TheLonging]

So Raven: Between me and Amished, you think I am mafia in that group. Sounds fair. So you think I am the only scummy person in the game then? Or do you think out of the two you listed as scum... why do you think I am more scummy?

[TheLonging]

@TheLonging: Interesting. You never said anything about quoting and paraphrasing originally when someone asked you why the color was green. You just said this in post 192:

@longing, why did you use the green font? Why not just say vanilla. did you copy and paste? if so from where?

I copy and pasted it from my role PM. Which is why I used the green font.

This is what I was trying to prove in my previous post. If you had copy-pasted it as you said you did, there would not be green font.

I did copy and paste it, I quoted it. Anyways, did you use this as the basis of one of your votes? Someone did it, but whoever did it, it's a bad reason to vote.

[TheLonging]

If you're scum, your play is just atrocious. If you're town, it's even more atrocious.

This can be validly applied to TL..

I haven't jumped on every bandwagon, or voted for people for no reason, but I'm not stopping you from thinking my play is extremely horrible.

[TheLonging]

Richard is trying hard to push a wagon on me (bad k-on trumpet player). If Konowa isn't scum neighbor, then scum team might be Richard and pman/DedicatedScribe

[TheLonging]

I think pman/dedicatedscribe is a more likely scumteam though. as for scum neibhor... maybe thereisn't one?

[TheLonging]

Oh well it was a nice run. Go town!

[TheLonging]

To be honest, this is was one of my worse games as far as gameplay style, and it was my 2nd game ever. I only improved though