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Post #359 (isolation #1) » Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:31 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
On the other hand doing a quick glance through the thread the angry when SolemnJ voted seemed genuine, so that is something to consider as well. I just noted that because I took the time when I said I would replace to read the last page of the thread, so the quoted message jumped out at me.
So SolemnJ, in what manner is he acting pro town? Why do you think his content could perhaps not be faked as scum? Just curious.
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Post #363 (isolation #2) » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:20 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
Vote: Wicked
Maybe I am just seeing things, as I am not very aware of different playstyles and how people address situations differently here but I have this phrase I use called "deep thinking" which I always view as a town tell: It is the line of reasoning and logic that seems too genuine and thought over to be scum. Now, of course, scum can fake this if they are good enough, but the absence of such thoughts over many, many posts is worrisome. Much of Wicked's supposed content has been very thin or simply a redirecting question back at someone else. This is very scummy, and easily worth my vote.
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Post #367 (isolation #4) » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:43 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
Well, yes, I hope you would disagree with the facts. If you didn't disagree then you would not be playing to win. You'd be saying "I am scum, please lynch me." You are not really providing content, you are providing posts that respond to the accusations, but don't answer them. Note my paragraph that I talked about you, all you had to say to that entire paragraph was 'See response above" and all that said was "I disagree." So you responded to two different people in a way that could be summed up with "I disagree." Now sure, you said a little bit more than that, but it was all fluff beyond that.
Also I have to question "Also, I would like to say that this is the way I normally play in terms of content and size of posts." It seems to be baiting me to go and check it out, which makes me believe, by phrasing, that you are trying to parrot your past town play as your first time as scum, if you sig of 7 games played is still accurate.
That post seemed very scummy to me, it addressed none of my concerned, and posted no meaningful content.
Also his vote on Crue seems poorly timed and out of place.
I just can't see anything Wicked has posted as pro town and a lot of anti-town/scummy playstyle that doesn't add up to me.
I really like this lynch and think we should pursue it. It is important we get our votes in a row so scum cannot be the controlling factor on this lynch. I see no reason to think of Wicked's posts as pro town or providing content, and the fact that SolemnJ defended them is worrying.
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Post #368 (isolation #5) » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:44 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
Also of note I will say that SolemnJ looks bad in my eyes regardless of what Wicked is. It is either defending a scumbuddy or buddying a town member, but that post looks bad considering the worth of Wicked's posts seem to be very thin.
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Post #385 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:36 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
Huh, you guys are killing me here. No one seems to be acknowledging my posts, which is a bit annoying. We, the voters, have the ability to change the lynch to whatever we wish it to be. There are enough of us here that anyone we want lynched, so I find it very odd that you just gave up like that and decided to "pick a wagon." There is still a decent amount of time left to push for what you want to.
Oh well, I guess this is just played differently here, can't help it much hm.
Anyway though I am not touching that crue lynch, almost everyone on it is extremely shady, and I am curious as to why no one else seems to be agreeing with that. It is a wagon filled with many people who seem to enjoy hiding away.
Sticking with my vote for now, but I'll be on the next couple of days.
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Post #403 (isolation #8) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:29 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Opposed to it? Not really. But it isn't the one I want. I see the circumstances surrounding the crue lynch and how people on it defended wicked and wicked has now decided its a good time to hop onto the wagon. I just don't like it, it feels off and wrong.
I come from a place that has 48 hour days, like, total. So this much time isn't exactly a problem for me in any way. I am usually more aggressive than this, the only thing holding me back is not having no experience on this website. Maybe I am just seeing things but it appears like the scum are circling Crue judging by their lack of logic and stuff.
However with that said if Crue is town who scum wants gone I would hope there is a possibility that Haylen is a scum that town has correctly pegged, which would fit my theory.
I still feel worse about wicked, like, much worse about Wicked. Like if I was able to shoot one player dead this very second it would be wicked, their posts are really just light. It is of course possible this is just how wicked plays, and if so, that can't be helped.
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Post #406 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:37 am
Postby Sir Chris »
I don't know how it works here, but usually if someone is in danger of being lynched it is good to claim so that the people can have a chance to discuss it and see if they buy it or not. Waiting until you are at -1 is how mislynches and scum hammers happen. There really is no reason to wait, and I view this as stalling for time on your part. "I think I should claim, but I'll come up with all these reasons not to!"
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Post #410 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:44 am
Postby Sir Chris »
You could just claim now and then get back to it.
Because I must confess a dislike to be kept waiting by someone I view as stalling. Here I was all excited over Wicked, and now you cross my path. Maybe I'll just vote you if you can't simply claim like you yourself brought up.
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Post #422 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:08 am
Postby Sir Chris »
I never claimed to be optimal. Optimal play can be left for theorists as far as I am concerned. Truth be told I play my own style and if getting votes against you stresses you out, then I have to wonder why you even play mafia.
You are provable, so I should probably unvote you, even though I don't particularly want to.
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Post #425 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:22 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Of course that being said, if you are Vigilante, you are more than free to shoot Haylen in the face tonight, if you don't want to speak up now.
But SK in a game of 15 presents seem odd balancing issues I have found in the past. Talking about my own balancing, I'd never have a game of 15 with an SK, when 16 fits it so much better.
See, Haylen. Now's where you can use meta to defend yourself. Link me to a number of games where you claim you've been really busy for various reasons and where you say, "I'm terrible at playing as scum."
Unvote
Vote: Haylen
You know, I think I'll just stick that my vote right where it is.
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Post #503 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:23 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Also I like how I get a roll of the eyes about SK even though I am probably correct, good job wicked!
Also because I don't know what games you have been in. One of the hazard of being unfamiliar to this site, Wicked, is I am unsure where everything is. I am used to a big list I can easily scroll through.
Also poor guy, he was obvious town too, I really liked his cut throat playstyle.
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Post #514 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:44 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Posting thoughts is never useless, if nothing else it gives you some shred of insight into what I am thinking. Someone had commented on the prospect of an SK, so I responded with that.
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Post #515 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:21 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Oh and I don't vote you because the day is lasting for weeks and I have all the time in the world to vote for you. I don't see it as a pressing concern either way.
However I am going to vote for you because your demeanor has shifted drastically today from yesterday, and by golly, you did ask me to.
Vote: Wicked
I am unsure how I can phrase this properly, but I just don't like the way you come off in your posts. You seem to be a bit edgy and a bit back and forth in your tone and I find it not so subtle that I, one of the people who didn't like you yesterday is now gifted with the merit of a suspicious nod my way. It seems to fit rather nicely together to me. I think I am on target with you, and my only mistake yesterday was allowing a bratty personality to override my instincts to see you dead and buried, wicked.
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Post #518 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:43 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Google tells me you just said I suck, which isn't exactly nice. But hopefully there is a fancy mafia term I have not heard before.
Also I find it quite odd how I am obvious scum when in fact I am not scum, which I understand in and of itself is a useless barb in the here and the now but makes it more interesting if I am to die and you say I am "obvious scum." Why am I such obvious scum? Instead of having a faint and all so insincere hope as to why I am scum, explain it to everyone. Please. In vivid detail. Leave nothing tot he imagination malpascp. Why am I scum for voting for the guy I voted yesterday who I still find to look bad? Also which ones are purely wrong? In fact, all I posted was just what I feel to be true: His demeanor seems scummy to me, so I voted. How can things that shift from person, their reads on people, be quantified as outright 'wrong.' Useless I can see because there is no basis in fact on what I am posting, it is all speculation like mafia often time is, but "purely wrong." I'd like you to talk more about that. If you are going to hang me you can at least do a better job than a bad post like that to tie the noose, if you don't mind.
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Post #529 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:14 am
Postby Sir Chris »
I apologize, I didn't phrase myself correctly, I was stating that for the general notion that my vote was because I attacked you, it was for everyone's benefit.
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Post #547 (isolation #29) » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:36 am
Postby Sir Chris »
You think I am town but FoS'd me earlier? Weird thing to say. Also he didn't have a case really, he just made a lot of vague "leave it up to the imagination" stuff and the only thing he said that was not vague was the thing that I only voted you because you attacked me, which literally can't be true.
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Post #564 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:57 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Honestly, wicked just looks worse and worse to me. Also the lack of activity is a bit annoying at this point.
I... don't really have a lot to comment on because not a lot has been said. I am getting the same vibe from cruelty as I got from the Inqusition (I just maimed that word, sorry.) which is to say a favorably strong read as town.
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Post #630 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:22 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Oh man, sorry guys. I have been fighting the flu all week and the last I saw this topic it was really slow moving. I'll attempt to get caught up and see what I have to think.
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Post #631 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:08 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Well, since I have been gone nothing really has changed. I think cruelty looks good, I think Wicked looks bad. In my fever haze at the moment, I can't think of anything to really add. I understand that stuff has been going on, but really, it seems kinda neutralish to me, it is troubling for me not to have many reads this game, I don't know if it is because of my current fever or if my scum read of wicked is just telling me to push for him too much and it is dulling me a bit.
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Post #665 (isolation #34) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:58 am
Postby Sir Chris »
It is true, I was really annoyed by that whole day one situation, I was appalled that someone could be that whiny and anti-town, and the fact that she had claimed vig as scum is too troublesome.
But as one of the posts noted, I really wanted Wicked dead yesterday but Haylen's dramatics got in the way. I still don't like wicked at all.
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Post #697 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:24 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
I am find with kunk at the moment because the problem I had with the player slot is their attack of me and seeming defense of wicked, but this person has done a complete reversal on that position, leaving me to believe the other person was just a mistaken town member of some kind. So yeah, not getting the case on Kunk atm.
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Post #701 (isolation #36) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:27 am
Postby Sir Chris »
I would be very happy if we killed wicked today, people seem to be swirling around him instead of going after him. kunk's player slot's biggest mistake was defending wicked as I said. How about we keep our eyes on the prize and stab wicked in the face, figuratively speaking.
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Post #721 (isolation #40) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:49 am
Postby Sir Chris »
How about instead of just voting for the guy not posting we vote for the person who has been around and is actively scummy. That makes sense to me, thanks.
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Post #725 (isolation #41) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:44 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Man, I really don't like this wagon on Kunkstar, especially because claiming early is something I do all the time myself if I feel it is needed or if it doesn't hurt much. Policy lynching at this juncture seems dumb.
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Post #737 (isolation #43) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:07 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
I see no scum reason to go from attacking me to pulling a 180 and agreeing with me in essence on wicked. That feels like different players on a town role to me than a scum master plot.
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Post #746 (isolation #44) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:19 am
Postby Sir Chris »
If you are on cades or kunk I think you are really making a grave mistake or are very, very scummy. Honestly, wicked has done nothing to deserve to live at this point and the case on both kunk and cades is a complete joke.
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Post #747 (isolation #45) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:37 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Basically my big problem with this lynch is that we aren't learning anything from it, and I have a very bad feeling this is scum lead. Like, we lynch cades, if they flip town everyone will go "oh well we lynched a lurker, it happens." while scum laughs at us. You don't lynch town, ever. And there has been evidence that cades has just gone off the loop entirely, but we are still lynching him. Being idle isn't scum behavior by default, and given that we are down three town members I am in no mood to play ball with dumb policy lynches.
Secondly the kunk lynch makes no sense at all. NO SENSE AT ALL. What kind of halfwit scum gets oddball looks originally for voting me while defending wicked, gets replaced, then the replacement takes the opposite stance. It doesn't make sense. It just does not make sense. Even if you want to say that wicked is town, for a scum to replace in and instead of taking the easier lynch in cades he tries to make a scum case. That doesn't seem very scummy to me at all, yet he is still getting votes.
Wicked has been under suspicion both days. Day one Haylen's idiocy and whining saved his head. There shouldn't be anything saving him today but people are playing really oddly at this point. Here's a giant spoiler: Neither Cades or Kunk's scum cases make a lick of sense at this point. One is a policy lynch when we are down three members of town and the other just literally doesn't make sense.
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Post #748 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:40 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Also why do people act like Wicked can't be scum. Seriously, his defenses have very thin and he tried to act as if he was suspicious of me pretty weakly after I attacked him yesterday. How about we let cades get replaced, realize kunk is pretty town, and punch a whole in wicked's scummy heart.
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Post #752 (isolation #48) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:11 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Pretty good overall, but it is far too late to try to lead a new lynch like that this far into the day. We only have roughly nine hours left in the day, it is best if we work off of established lynches. Basically my thoughts are this, if all three of the people we are looking at are town we are probably in trouble. It means we have been lead astray massively today and that means scum is doing a lot better job than town is at scum hunting vs negating our scum hunting. I think SJ being scum makes sense as does Wicked being scum, their votes and their plays. I am with you on SJ for sure, but at this juncture I do not have hope to start a new lynch and I don't really want to divert from my two daylong suspicion of wicked.
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Post #755 (isolation #50) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:14 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Yeah and I've got to go to work. I'll be on two hours before deadline but I have a college paper to work on as well, although I'll probably push that to the side knowing how I am.
Remember anyone who posts in this topic: Kunk did a complete 180 from the person he replaced, scum hunt. Cades isn't exactly lurking, kinda just dropped off the map, not a good reason for a lynch. Wicked has looked bad both days, A+ lynch. At this point I expect any vote not on Wicked coming from a scumbuddy trying to save his sorry ass. Just throwing that out there.
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Post #761 (isolation #53) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:25 am
Postby Sir Chris »
1. You make me feel uneasy, just something about you. It is why I said I'd feel 'pretty good' with your lynch
However then I looked back and realized that wicked (duh), faraday, and dana have looked really bad today in their attempt to get cades lynched, so I think they are all more scummy than you.
Also I can't see how you think wicked is town given the company he is keeping on lynches and how he has 'defended' himself. All three being town seems unlikely to me.
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Post #762 (isolation #54) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:27 am
Postby Sir Chris »
Scum do not only lurk though. That's the thing. Good scum will "contribute" while all the while town dies around them. Also what has he said that is valid? Has he lead to a scum lynch? Do you think his vote on cades is going to lead to a scum lynch? It isn't 'valid' if it is lynching town.
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Post #763 (isolation #55) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:28 am
Postby Sir Chris »
See it is stuff like this. Calling wicked a very good player is an absolute joke, his posts don't ring true, he deflects badly, and he hasn't actually helped.
But anyway, I have to go to work, so this will very sadly have to wait. But still, your read on wicked is puzzling.
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Post #787 (isolation #57) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:00 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
Given what we know I'd much rather devour a late bandwagoner on the wicked lynch rather than a useless lurker, but then again even lurkers can be scum.
But this is troubling, I was very sure wicked was scum, and now it turns many of my assumptions on their head, like how good cruelty and kunk looked.
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Post #828 (isolation #58) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:39 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
Hm.
I must apologize, truthfully, I am not getting very good reads at all on anyone looking back. My inclination is that the people who hopped on wicked late were just smelling blood but no one's posts really look weird or scummy to me. I am usually much better at finding scum but the connections aren't being made in my mind this day.
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Post #846 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:26 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
Vote: Furry
My mind isn't getting very good reads at the moment, but my gut is telling me to kill Furry. Something about their posts just doesn't sit well with me in general. I am going to go back and iso SJ and Furry, and see what I find.
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Post #847 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:31 pm
Postby Sir Chris »
Actually, in a major plot twist and after ISOing SJ, I no longer need to use my gut, my head tells me different.
Unvote
Vote: SJ
Just looks terrible after an ISO, willing to lynch almost everything that moves. The way he posts is just so very scummy to me, I don't like it. Also my scum reads usually get better after my first read, so let's do this.