Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[Riceballtail]

You completely overlooked Empking though.

VOTE:Empking

[Riceballtail]

Semi-serious. I usually avoid policy lynches, but I have a habit of being on the other side as Emp in most games we've played together. Thus, I have one red flag already.

[Riceballtail]

I am quite confident that Monkey/Swim are scum together.

UNVOTE; VOTE:Monkey

[Riceballtail]

Quite is minimum 75% confidence.

Swimmer is defending Monkey, and going after Ray, with little reasoning for both, which sounds like a very newbscum approach to an early bandwagon. Also noting from the response to Tar, the odds of newbscum defending a buddy only increase the odds of a Swimmer lynch/NK should Monkey flip scum himself.

That said, Monkey is definitely scummy on his own weak case that he can't defend against properly. I'm confident these two are scum.

[Riceballtail]

I don't believe that swimmer has inside info at this point.

Yes, you are definately scum.

Unvote:
Vote: Swimmer4lyfe

You could have at least given a reason to vote your buddy, instead of looking like such an obvious bus.

[Riceballtail]

But you are scum then, since you have buddies?

[Riceballtail]

Monkey took his early case far too serious. It was a weak case, which is fine for getting the game moving. But if he was just trying to get the game moving, he would have known that and not been so utterly convinced of it.

Thank you for recognizing this. I stated several times that my case was being exaggerated. It was never meant to be taken as a "me or him" situation. I was not "utterly convinced". I use my words with conviction and use my votes liberally, even in early game. Putting pressure on people gets reactions, and that was my ultimate goal.

Pads gave MM an easy out, and he took the bait. Please, MM, show me these "several times" when you said you were exaggerating your case just to put pressure on him.

Agreed. Pads is a likely 3rd scum on the team.

[Riceballtail]

Exalt's reveal makes Merk at least not Jupiter Mafia. We don't know if there's a second one in the game, but the label would seem to indicate as such. That said, I still like a MM lynch.

[Riceballtail]

I see the case on swimmer, but Exalt being on his wagon makes me leery. I guess I could get behind a wagon on his replacment, but there wouldn't be much fire to it.

Reminder, odds are there are two scum factions. There's no reason to discredit scum hunting scum.

[Riceballtail]

@Socrates: Not a huge fan. I'll also note that both of you are suspicious of each other. (Distancing?)

I'm still debating the validity of Monkey's claim before I decide to move my vote. His play is still very sketchy, and I don't care for it.

[Riceballtail]

Know I haven't been the least bit productive, but I'm taking

V/LA until Sunday afternoon due to Thanksgiving and all that jazz.

Umm.. I won't park my vote. Chances are the day will still be going on when I return.

Mind at least saying who you're suspicious of?

FoS:Kise

[Riceballtail]

I like the case brought up by Merk. I still believe MM to be scum, and highly likely for Wysp as well, due to Swimmer's actions.

Unvote; Vote:Cyberbob
HoS:Monkey

I suspect the Monkey situation will be sorted tonight (suspecting a possible Mafia Watcher, hinting at two factions. Note MM really hasn't stated anything about it yet.)

[Riceballtail]

I feel that's three quick vote changes.

I feel that the above is scummy.

I feel that I won't vote cyberbob just yet.

How was mine "quick" when I had said I would likely be looking to move it. Someone who is likely town based on information available makes a very convincing case, it's expected that people would look at it and consider it.

If Cyber flips scum, Ray is a likely buddy.

[Riceballtail]

Ray, there are people who still haven't posted in the thread entirely, but you're focusing on Vaya? Sounds like "easy chainsaw" mentality.

Today, Cyber; tomorrow, Ray (if he flips scum for obvious chainsaw, which is going to happen).

[Riceballtail]

Wait, so you're saying that it's obvious Cyber is scum, and because of that, I should wait to find Ray scummy for chainsawing? By your own wording, you are also thus full of craplogic.

We both think it's a chainsaw.
We both think Cyberbob will flip scum.
I'm being more aggressive in scumhunting than you, because I'm trying to find ties, not wait for information to be given to me by a mod. It does tend to cause problems when I have a bad read, but that doesn't stop me from finding multiple scum D1. Your hesitancy to look into that tie is noted.

[Riceballtail]

Any more flavour on that claim, Cyber?

Thanks for claiming scum!

HoS:Dev

[Riceballtail]

Basically my point is trying to set up easy lynch combos is anti-town play whether you're town or scum. "i dont think X player is scum therefore I wont ever criticise anything they do evar!!!" doesn't make for a very successful town.

Like an un-CC'd Cop who led you to a guilty scum?

Just sayin'.

[Riceballtail]

Ah.

Riceball, your example is in no way analagous to anything relevant to this situation, sorry.

Think of Merk as the Cop, and Exalt as the dead scum (PS, he's already dead, and we know he's scum). The only difference here is that there's no way there's a remote chance for a bus. There's really no reason to NOT trust Merk, at least as far as hunting Jupiters. (He could still be unrevealed, but we'll deal with that later).

[Riceballtail]

That's my biggest hangup with the Cyberbob lynch atm - it's not usual for scum to claim VT. If they're going down, they're going to try and draw out a counterclaim for a power role.

WIFOM. Nothing more to say to that.

[Riceballtail]

so im confused about one thing. There iis no amished nor VBP in this game so why do people keep mentioning them

Replace both of those names with "Merk" and you'll figure it out.

[Riceballtail]

Do you really think there are five in the Jupiter Mafia? Or is this a hint that you have some kind of hidden info as well Merk?

[Riceballtail]

Let's hope you don't get killed tonight, Riceball! We'd be lost without your awesome scumhunting abilities.

*prays REALLY REALLY hard*

-VPB

You could have, you know, actually answered the question. Even if you are town, you could at least have said why you think five is likely. Your dismissal of that makes me think you may very well be unrevealed. Bonus points for being unrevealed's GF.

[Riceballtail]

VOTE:Monkeyman

Still wanna hear your report. As fake as it probably is.

[Riceballtail]

Wicked, if you had actually paid attention to the fact that Glork's kill flavor has not shown up either night, then perhaps you are trying to downplay the likelihood of your scumfaction showing up and being hunted?

I also expect a report from Ray.

[Riceballtail]

While I understand why people want to lynch Muh, I don't see the reasoning for lynching him now, when there are more likely scum to lynch. He may be contentless, but he's doing far better than other people, such as Empking. It feels like right now people are trying to push an easy wagon. I'd rather see a lynch on Anna or Rec right now.

[Riceballtail]

While I understand why people want to lynch Muh, I don't see the reasoning for lynching him now, when there are more likely scum to lynch. He may be contentless, but he's doing far better than other people, such as Empking. It feels like right now people are trying to push an easy wagon. I'd rather see a lynch on Anna or Rec right now.

Did I miss the part where you posted your suspicions/case against me, or are you just pulling that out of your ass like I suspect?

I'm just beginning to notice an intrinsic lack of detail remembering in your posts. Like D3's first (No scum after five deaths?), trying to put a kill flavor on Glork when he clearly had one posted in his PM, and don't forget forgetting MM's early tracker claim. This doesn't seem like a normal town play, who needs to gather as much information as they possibly can to make efficient decisions.

[Riceballtail]

How does one exactly forget a modkill D1? Especially since the argument was rather explosive and had several walls of angry text?

[Riceballtail]

Hey Pads, how's that new chainsaw you got there?

Thanks for reminding me that you/Kise/Dev were scummy. Your posts selected ignore other parts that vitally explain the strategy that I've been using in order to weed out the scum (example: I perpetually insisted that Monkey/Swimmer were scumbuddies; however removing that fact, it would make me look scummy). You have also forgotten to mention the times of which I've argued with your scumbuddy Rec there (and maybe scumbuddy Tar? Or Merk even? I've posted suspicions there too!). This case looks like instead of actually reading me, you just went and looked at all my votes/fos/hos and made a case out of that.

I'll also point out that you went through all the effort to build a case on me, then put your vote on... the currently biggest wagon?

This is scum behavior.

There's nobody that I would defend as being town, so I won't call anyone town. Since we are likely dealing with two scum groups, it's inherent that we remember that someone who looks town may be the second group. Between the strawmans, the misrep, and the general out-of-nowhere case you built on me, I'm more than confident enough to:

VOTE:Pads

[Riceballtail]

@Pads: Not as many as possible, but you shouldn't stop trying to make connections just because of which day it is. Also, since we're not under an extreme threat of a deadline, you basically said "I have a case, but it's not really good enough to vote for... but I still want them lynched". There's nothing pro-town in that. Voting me now won't make you look any better either scum.

I clearly think the Anna case is, at minimum, decent enough to lynch over. But it doesn't mean I stop scumhunting today because there's a good case on the table.

@Reck: Huge misrep is huge. You also forgot Dev is dead. Again, your lack of attention to relevant details screams "I only care about my scumteam". I also highly doubt there's a six-person scumteam alive at this stage (if Mafia + SK instead of 2 Mafia, then I could see a realistic six-person team, but that's not likely the case).

@Merk: Yeah, Dev turned out town. My suspicion of him was based on his desire to extract flavor from the VT PM, which I always find to be scummy based on the desire to perfect scum fakeclaims. Still doesn't mean you can't look for connections. They just can't be scum/scum connections now.

[Riceballtail]

Not that I'm either agreeing or disagreeing, but why do you think two mafia is not likely the case?

And, I didn't really misrep you, you just kept throwing out names WITH NO BASIS FOR SUSPECTING THEM. Please, tell me I'm wrong about that.

Again, more blatant misrep and word twisting. Each time I've made mention of a suspicion, I have certainly given an explanation. It may not be worded "... because dadadadadada", but it is there. I also very clearly just stated I suspect two scum teams. You are twisting the words around because I gave the hypothetical example of one mafia and an SK. I have been stating that two mafias was the most likely thing since Exalt's flip. Why do you insist on pursuing such blatant falsehoods?

[Riceballtail]

so youd rather lynch me an obvious townie rather than an educated lynch. If you want me out its your choice but empking is much worse

Of course, but scum would rather push the lurker-Empking lynch for a later day.

[Riceballtail]

VOTE:Pads

See case from yesterday.

[Riceballtail]

I am also fine with a massclaim. I think this will help weed out some of the more town-looking scum as well.

[Riceballtail]

Slicey is very clearly still active on the site (posted in his modded game yesterday), so I do not know why he is not keeping up here.

[Riceballtail]

Instead of waiting on Socrates, due to timing of DL, Town Villager (aka VT).

[Riceballtail]

VOTE:Tar

New kill flavor? I'm convinced of a second scum faction now. My guess is Tar is highly interested in self-protection for being the last Jupiter. This may be way out on a limb, but I refuse to dismiss the idea just because Tar may very well know there's a second team and can fake it.

[Riceballtail]

How do you know it's 4:3:1:16? Why not possibly 3:3:1 or 4:4:1 for scum?

Tar is specifically Jupiter Mafia because Tar only wants to hunt Jupiters, but is incessantly focused on Rai, who is probably scum, but not Jupiter IMO. The Jupiters probably tried to kill Reck last night, testing the claim. Tar was the primary pusher against Reck being just a BP townie. I suspect that town is probably equal or outnumbered by now, so those of you who haven't need to put your game faces on.

Also, way to follow like a sheep Reck. You're probably unrevealed GF btw.

[Riceballtail]

Also, Tar is DEFINITELY Prison Guard - nobody else claimed to be Dev's partner. But nice try.

Town Prison Guard, or Scum Prison Guard?

Dev's PM CLEARLY states that he didn't know Tar's alignment. Why do you automatically clear Tar?

[Riceballtail]

Actually, as long as there are two NKs, town still has a chance with a living member. Especially if you are somehow telling the truth.

[Riceballtail]

Mod: What is your policy on using public information (posts/death-revealed alignment) from games that should be finished but are instead ongoing due to effective mod abandonment? (There's a technically ongoing game I was in that's been in twilight with three players alive for over three weeks now but where the end scene hasn't been posted due to the mod vanishing for over two weeks, and I'd really like to haul it out as evidence sooner rather than later.)

If it's not actually finished, don't talk about it.

And I certainly wish it was finished, so I can point out things from that game too (because I can defend my actions here rather well using said game).

That said, I'm going to laugh when you all see me flip town and realize that having the guts to call Tar out for this could have saved the town.

[Riceballtail]

/sigh

Watch me be right at endgame.

[Riceballtail]

Actually, I'm fairly shocked that Raivann was allowed to live as long as he did.

So true.