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It says in the first post that role distribution was semi-random and all listed roles have some chance of being in the game.
To be honest, I was kind of expecting this to be a secret mountainous game until I saw that. (Beforemith sent role PMs, btw.)#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Mmmh.
I'm failing to see anything in the tea leaves of who attacks who so far.
Yos2 is still about .001% scummier than anyone else.
Balance suggests we probably have four scum, or five including a traitor, or five including a pair of mafia lovers, or five balanced by a bunch of town power roles.
Semirandom assignment suggests we can't assume balance.
So... probably four or five scum. Anything more is overthinking it.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Actually... Even with only 4 scum, any random 5 players has a 67% chance of having at least one scum. That guess was basically useless.Xylthixlm wrote:Guessing there's at least on scum in five players is not a gutsy call.
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I don't think anyone has done the math on people who are active all over the site but wait an extra 24 hours to confirmYosarian2 wrote:
So..."last to confirm" was discredited, but "late-confirming" was not?Xylthixlm wrote:"Last to confirm" was discredited, not... Whatever the heck I used.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Why do you care about being .001% scummier than anyone else?Yosarian2 wrote:
Lol.Xylthixlm wrote:
I don't think anyone has done the math on people who are active all over the site but wait an extra 24 hours to confirmYosarian2 wrote:
So..."last to confirm" was discredited, but "late-confirming" was not?Xylthixlm wrote:"Last to confirm" was discredited, not... Whatever the heck I used.
Is that...really the argument you're going to run with here, xyl?
I think you probably should have gone with "yos is scum because my magic 8 ball said so" instead, but, you know, it's up to you I guess.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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That sounds about right.Yosarian2 wrote:it feels like so far you're playing on autopilot more or less, that your posts don't really have any correlation with your alignment.
Can't help you there. Maybe you should wait until later in the game.Yosarian2 wrote:I have to get you out of your comfort zone somehow.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I know I read that post because I remember going "shanba? oh, he meant shabba", but apparently it did not sink in. Meh.Yosarian2 wrote:I'm really wondering about you, Xyl. Why would you ask a question I had just answered right before you posted? Are you reading the game here?#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I'll buy this.Yosarian2 wrote:I could see you trying to argue against that if you were scum and xyl was town, because you don't want him to be confirmed innocent when you get lynched.
That is the only time I can see you going out of your way to argue against a "bridges and xyl probably aren't scum together" theory. You wouldn't do it if you were scum and he was scum, and I don't understand why you would do it if you were town.
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Yeah, I'd be totally willing to vote Shabba.Shabba wrote:I have guesses about some players, but I didn't feel like I had enough justification other than "i'm feeling scummy vibes", which to me, wasn't enough to point fingers or change my vote.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I'd really love a Xyl-elvis-roflcopter-Yos townteam bulldozer. Not convinced on any of you yet thoughroflcopter wrote:shabba's apparent lack of forum mafia experience gives me pause.
besides, a shabba wagon would take the wind out of the bridgewagon's sails, and that would be a real bummer since we should be lynching him pronto.
i still want elvis and yos to vote for bridges. two spots left on the wagon, get 'em while they're hot!#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I remember that he random voted me in my first post for something related to another ongoing game.... but no memory of anything else.elvis_knits wrote:SerialClergyman - I have no memory of what this person has done#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Yes.Kmd4390 wrote:Does anyone else get the vibe from Yos's posts that he is overexplaining himself and doesn't seem to be playing up to his normal level? Just something I've noticed. Not sure why.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Something feels weird about your play. I'm not sure what, exactly.Yosarian2 wrote:
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Yes.Kmd4390 wrote:Does anyone else get the vibe from Yos's posts that he is overexplaining himself and doesn't seem to be playing up to his normal level? Just something I've noticed. Not sure why.
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Yos is obviously bussing BAB.
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I agree that a townie claim is a pretty awful reason to unvote, but it's not a surefire scumtell. Sometimes someone just changes their mind, with the claim as a trigger. Reason to be suspicious, definitely.
And yes, lynching a "vanilla or scum" is a pretty good outcome. Scum would be nicer obviously.
BAB's attempt to stall the game for a couple weeks stinks.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Do you think iamausername is bussing?VP Baltar wrote:
ekiM remains scummy to me until he comes back and provides some answers to the questions I put. I think BnB is a decent lynch, which also has the potential to provide some information. zu_Faul and Shabba have shown minor tinges of scumminess, but I wouldn't say I have a great read on either as yet.Xyl wrote:Who else is scummy?#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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The sarcastic "if I come up scum" bullshit feels inexplicably townish. Also, I'd like to see BAB's thoughts on players who aren't lurking.Thesp wrote:
I'm curious about this - whyfor?Xylthixlm wrote:I can't believe I'm doing this
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If I'm bandwagoned to a claim as scum, I've done something seriously wrong.elvis_knits wrote:As scum, have you ever claimed vanilla?
I know I have claimed vanilla as scum. I'm not sure if I have ever done it under pressure of a bandwagon, but I know I have done it at massclaim time.
Regardless, yes, I tend to claim vanilla.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Posts 155 and 159 were what I was referring to when I said that, iirc. BAB just felt like a frustrated townie trying to explain his actions and not having it take. It has that "why can't you see that it's not scummy?" vibe.populartajo wrote:What makes you think this?
He hasn't really been so impressive since then.
I'm not putting a hard limit like "two days" but BAB does need to make a real scumlist, soon, to avoid my vote going back on.populartajo wrote:Bab, instead of hunting lurkers, make a scumlist. My vote is waiting for you, so you have max two days to change or confirm my suspicions.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Herodotus 404: Mmm. I like this explanation.
Claus 405, tl;dr version: I'd definitely vote ekiM. Yos2 is scummy but I recoil at the thought of lynching Yos2 on day 1. Point on Thesp is interesting if kind of weak, Thesp?
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Haven't read the last few hours post explosion but at a glance it's really weird to see all the posts look like "Blah blah blah Xyl blah blah blah Xyl blah. Blah blah blah blah Xyl blah blah."
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Thanks for the comments. So, wanna form an Ekim wagon?vote: ekiMsure
Good reason: Because he's very useful to the town if he isn't scum, so I'd rather leave him alive and get his input.iamausename wrote:
Why?Xylthixlm wrote:Yos2 is scummy but I recoil at the thought of lynching Yos2 on day 1.
Bad reason: Because I don't get to play with Yos2 enough and it would suck if when I finally do he gets lynched day 1.
Noting this for future reference.iamausename wrote:The last two games I played with Yos, I was town both times, he was scum in one and town in the other, and I was right about him in both instances. So, I trust my gut on him, and so far, I'm not getting a scum feel.
Whatever you're seeing there, I'm not seeing it.BridgesAndBaloons wrote:
So obv town. Like ridiculously towny.Ojanen wrote:Well I'm adverse to BaB dying right now. I'm not sure about him, I haven't got proper reads on half the players yet and there are several people coming out of V/LAs right about now.
Thesp, when do you plan to enclose your reasons for heartily endorsing the BaB wagon (now and originally)? After he's been lynched? Frankly I'm not quite understanding why this is a beneficial strategy.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Do you think I intended my comment on the lurkers to be taken in earnest?Xyl wrote:I assumed Kmd was being a sarcastic prick. Which is weird because I'm usually quite skeptical of 'jokes' (see: ekiM). Hmm.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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As I said, I am usually quite skeptical of 'jokes'.ekiM wrote:
So you think I'm a dolt? You've never played with me before...Xylthixlm wrote:
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Do you think I intended my comment on the lurkers to be taken in earnest?Xyl wrote:I assumed Kmd was being a sarcastic prick. Which is weird because I'm usually quite skeptical of 'jokes' (see: ekiM). Hmm.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I fail to see the impossibility of KMD being town motivated.Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, the biggest thing right now is KMD's vote for elvis today. There's no way that makes sense at this point if KMD is town; it seems entierly based on a "Elvis attacked me yesterday so I'm going to vote her" attitude that's just inherently scummy.
Sort-of agree, sort-of disagree. Unvoting because the claim was vanilla is bad, definitely, but there may be other reasons. Do you think that Kmd dropped BaB just because he was vanilla, or do you think there were other reasons?Yosarian2 wrote:Bandwagoning someone to a claim, and then trying to drop the wagon and bandwagon someone else once they claim vanilla, is a scum tell, especally on day 1. Those kind of tactics, repeated bandwagon-to-a-claim stuff, are just the easiest way for a scum to flush out town power roles.
Your generalizations are overgeneralized. Your use of "vanilla town" here is odd; faint smell of rolefishing.Yosarian2 wrote:The thing is, there is absolutly no reason a pro-town person should ever leave a wagon in response to a vanillia claim, especally on day 1. So, yeah, I think it's a scum tell; it's a move scum have reason to do, and vanilla town don't.
Predictions noted.Yosarian2 wrote:In other words, just like I said yesterday, by not stepping in and responding to Elvis' initial post on page 4, and instad hearing KMD's defense and all that, I was able to figure out that KMD is probably scum and Elvis is probably town.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Me and roflcopter. I haven't really gotten that "OMG sooooo town" feel from anyone yet.SerialClergyman wrote:Xyl - if you had to confirm a couple of players as town, who would you choose?#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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He's giving me a bad gut feel. I can't really speak to his meta, but something is off. It could just be me but it seems like several other people are feeling the same thing...elvis_knits wrote:RE: Yos, I think he's town, but I admit that part of that is probably because he agrees with me about kmd. I have a problem with thinking people who agree with me are obv town The comments that Yos is not playing to his town meta MAY have some truth to them, but overall, I think that's a really thin reason to vote someone. Also, when people like kmd and serial, who I find scummy, attack Yos, I feel more like Yos is town. It can't hurt to discuss him though. You think he's scummy?#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Me, I'd be perfectly happy to lynch someone for those reasons alone.elvis_knits wrote:I don't like the idea of the biggest reason against a person being that 1)Their meta is off and 2)Gut.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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