Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)
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I...uhhh....ummmmmmmm......
What the hell just happened? I know it's dumb of me to say this as it's a scum tell(one of the few I actually know of) but I'm horribly confused. This is my first large game here on mafiascum. Actually this is the largest mafia game I have played anywhere. I don't know what it was I was expecting, but I know that it wasn't this.
I find roflcopters constant strait up blaming Mastin being scum kinda scummy. Though I have to admit, I believe he brings up a few valid points.
@Kublai:I don't know for sure, but perhaps his acting different is because that was a newbie game. I can already tell how different newbie games are from large games in the first two pages.
I'm gonna assume that rvs is over for a fact, so I hope the complete and total randomness dies down a bit. Though with Mastin around....-
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I learned the scumtell from epic mafia. Can't remember from who though. I just remember is being used against me.Mastin wrote: I logged on. You need not know more.
Yes, that would be Xyl's confusion-->Scumtell, correct?
Hopefully not your last.
Where else have you played?
Do tell.
I want to see how experienced you are.
Again, from what I've heard, rofl tunnels a lot. I'll look into it to see if this is true, but I do see how many players can/will tunnel and wouldn't call it a tell of any kind.
Which I defend against, like any good player should, mind you.
Like I said...replacing into a game isn't the same as playing from the start.
It works differently.
It has different rules.
Anyways my mafia expierience.....
I started playing mafia on a forum called FEABL(Fire Emblem Arena Battle League) I have played games 8-14 on that site. It's a very different style as we all know each other fairly well there. Thus we leave clues upon every kill that points toward who the murderer was that night. One of these rounds(12) actually was a clueless game, which had very different results than expected. The mafia was obliderated. Mind you, the det revealed himself and was protected by the bg for half the game.
On casual collective I started a mafia game there. We've played several rounds, but a few have falllen apart and mafia isn't played at a very high level. Though there are a few exceptionally good players.
I've played a whole lot on epic mafia, though I play less now.
Here I've replaced into game newbie game700 when it had about 40 pages. I didn't realize it was 30 posts per page at the time(I thought it was 10) and was very overwhelmed by how much I had to read. Unfortunetly that game was a loss due to a very well played mafia member(Lizcc I think). Due to expecting(foolishly) I would be taken off the newbie queue, I was put into game 749 as a cop. I tried to participate, but was overloaded with mafia and life and had to replace out. Then I joined newbie game 759. This game was also a loss. I would try to credit myself that it wasn't my fault because I was night killed, but I didn't expect the mafia.
I'm not sure if I like the tunnel style of rofl, but it's a little early for me to be jumping to conclusions just yet. Hopefully time makes things more clear.-
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Blaming does indeed mean accusing n this case. In fact I hardly see a differance between the two words. I'll admit it's there, but it's subtle. I'm saying your attack on Mastin is scummy because it started on the first post of the second stage. The RVS didn't even seem over at that point, yet you just claimed it was.roflcopter wrote:
explain how i am "blaming" mastin. if you mean the fact that i am accusing him, please expound on why this is scummy. i would also like to point out that saying my attack on mastin is scummy and then calling my points valid is an example of trying to have your cake and eat it too.hayker wrote:I find roflcopters constant strait up blaming Mastin being scum kinda scummy. Though I have to admit, I believe he brings up a few valid points.
To be honest I don't fully comprehend your cake and eating comment, but I do like cake so I will eat some(insert the eating of cake here)
But really, You did have a few valid points, and I think at least, it would be foolish to not acknowledge that.
It's only a little after midnight here, but I have to record in the morning so i'm off to bed unless there is a post I find interesting after I'm done posting this.-
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Farafay, if your on, I'm responding to Mastin's lust of meta knowledge on me.
Round 1 on cc(gm)
http://www.casualcollective.com/#groups ... Games/4154
Round 1 overview
http://www.casualcollective.com/#groups ... Games/5217
round 2(gm again)
http://www.casualcollective.com/#groups ... Games/5349
round 2 analysis
http://www.casualcollective.com/#groups ... Games/5939
round 1(third time, player)
http://www.casualcollective.com/#groups ... Games/9617
There was a few more, but they have all been deleted from the site and thus I cannot do anything about that.
FEABL MAFIA
round 8
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7040764/8/#new
round 8 analysis
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7048632/1/#new
round 9(I forgot that this game was dubbed "mapfia"
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7048925/8/#new
round 9 analysis(Cits are OP....)
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7056367/1/#new
Round 10
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7058548/7/#new
Round 10 revelations
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7063626/1/#new
Round 11
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7064844/6/#new
round 11 analysis doesn't exist
Round 12(Clueless)
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7074030/7/#new
Round 12 analysis
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7082619/1/#new
Round 14
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7083529/1/
Round 14 analysis
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7097991/1/#new
Round thirfifteenth
http://s9.zetaboards.com/FEABL/topic/7099445/5/#new
As for my playstyle and epic mafia. I learned how to play on FEABL, brought it to cc and then was introduyced to here and epic mafia. I've only seen the scum tell once there though, I consider it valid as it caught me.-
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It matters because his post was the first serious post of the game from what I could tell. It threw me off completly, simply stating that the RVS was over, when in my eyes, it clearly wasn't. He simply came in, all matter of factly like saying "we can now move on to lynching mastin"Faraday wrote:
Why does when an attack start make it scummy?
You can't say "he's scummy, although his points are valid", well you can, and have, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
If you think he's making good points, then why does it matter if he started attacking early.
59 is a good post.
Ugh I have to be off now.
But yeh so far, rofl seems pro-town to me.
I find hayker and fallen angel to be scummy.
Mastin's posts are reasonable enough, although a bit long, but meh. He's scum-hunting, and appears to be doing so honestly.
Vote Haykerfor the moment, I'll read the rest of the thread later on, I expect another 4 pages
It doesn't sit well with me. His points seemed valid, but most mafioso's will look for valid points.-
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Looking back, it's not exactly w super scummy thing. Though I don't remember claiming it being super scummy, just that I found it scummy. And I am merely human(I know, it's unbelievable), and can indeed be wrong. As I read more of this game though, I'm thinking he's scummier and scummier, but that is because of his tunnel vision. Going by meta game knowledge that others have, that's normal. But I dan't go basing my opinions oiff of other peoples thoughts.Faraday wrote:
Why is that scummy?Hayker wrote:He's scummy because of saying the RVS was over, when it clearly wasn't to the majority of the players.
@ Fallen Angel, I consider hayker scummy for reasons outlined, basically I think his comments on rolf or very odd, and I don't like his reasoning here. Seems like he's making stuff up.
It was more the abrupt way of the trnsition. I learned to play mafia on FEABL, where the rvs does not exist really. The RVS is replaced by a clue hunting stage where people allign the clue to different people for different reasons. I've only played two RVS' here, and they both had rather slow transitions. The concept of ending it like that was rather alien, especially when you add in instant accusation, when I didn't think there was any reason for that hardcore of an accusaion this early at all.-
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The elaboration is in post 178.ZazieR wrote:Hayker wrote:I find roflcopters constant strait up blaming Mastin being scum kinda scummy. Though I have to admit, I believe he brings up a few valid points.
@Kublai:I don't know for sure, but perhaps his acting different is because that was a newbie game. I can already tell how different newbie games are from large games in the first two pages.
I'm gonna assume that rvs is over for a fact, so I hope the complete and total randomness dies down a bit. Though with Mastin and Zazie around....
Can you elaborate on the Rofl-part?
And why no vote for either one of them?
I learned mafia on FEABL, which has a far different mafia style then here. Voting is generally discouraged unless you are fairly certain that someone is mafia, and thus I hesitate. I suspect some people to be scummier than others at this point in time, and actually have a couple vote ideas in my head. I'll get to that later though as I'm adressing posts to me first.-
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I disgree with you on Mastins wall fo texts. I find them useful, and actually enjoy reading them. He has a sort of chaotic logic, which is somewhat similer to my own. But has differences, as we are indeed different peopleNamttam wrote:Finally caught up. I was afraid Mastin would come back and start posting again before I finished.
Mastin's wall of text annoys me to no end but there is nothing inherently scummy about it. Since it is his MO it is a null tell. At least it has sparked discussion rather quickly. Dissecting his posts, it is mostly fluff but there is some scum hunting buried in there. I'll consider him pro-town for now.
rolfcopter is tunneling. I have no problem with this. I do have a problem with his citing of single cases to prove his points on tunneling and scum calling. Furthermore, there are differing viewpoints on the miller roleclaim so there is no reason to quash the debate. Anytime players want to make a stand on a topic provides information for the town to work with. Leaning scum.
Hayker opens by committing and pointing out his own scumtell. He takes issue with rolf's quick push from RVS even while complimenting rolf's reasoning. RVS is necessary to spark discussion but with Mastin around RVS doesn't need to be too long. There was already plenty to comment on. This is no reason to believe a player to be scum and Hayker should move on. He as made enough posts without moving beyond this initial issue and for that IVote: Hayker.
Working my way forward, more coming.
I dislike Rofl tunneling, but I have no power over that. His wanting to eliminate the Kahn miller debate I find anti-town. As people have said, it's never a waste of time to question a role claim. I agree on the leaning to scum(but he's not my only suspect right now). In case you wanna know about my lack of opinion on the miller subject, this is my first game with a miller. Well if I include epic mafia, first game with a miller that knows he's a miller. So really I don't know much about that subject, and am currently looking at others opinions on that subject.
And as I have said(though not as clearly), it wasn't just the abrupt ending of the RVS, and it wasn't just the wanting to lynch Mastin. It was the two combined. The fact that I didn't move on is that I didn't find anything particularily scummy about the other people on at the time. I intend to re-read last nights bantering and see if my opinion differs now that I've slept a little.-
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I didn't add anything sicne the first post of page 5(I think, I might have made another post somewher eon 5, but I'm too lazy to check right now. Will corretc later if nescesary)ZazieR wrote:And Hayker continues to add totally nothing except for opinions that are easy to back-track.
Good second choice.
Opinions that are easy to back-track? Could you explain exactly what this means? My apologies, but despite english being my first(and only) language, I have only a basic grasp of how to use it.-
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That post indeed ended it. It just didn't seem quite over before he ended it. But things like that change things.ZazieR wrote:
So what in the 18 posts after this post ended the RVS to you and why?Hayker wrote:I'm saying your attack on Mastin is scummy because it started on the first post of the second stage. The RVS didn't even seem over at that point, yet you just claimed it was.-
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Sarcasm aside. Rofl seemed to set a distinct border. Reasons have been explained as to why I found it scummy.ZazieR wrote:
Nah, Rofl just got the memo first that the RVS was over, as the mod always sends a PM first to the scum, and afterwards to the townies. Which means Rofl claimed scum, and Hayker is town. Let''s lynch ahead[/sarcasm]Hayker wrote:He's scummy because of saying the RVS was over, when it clearly wasn't to the majority of the players.
My opinion is that there''s no general borderline of the RVS. And I see no reason why this should be scummy.-
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RVS with you noted.Mastin wrote:
To be fair, in any game I am in, the RVS will last only a maximum of three pages.Hay wrote:The RVS didn't even seem over at that point, yet you just claimed it was.
And most agree with you. I imagine some disagree, but not many will. Whether it's a null tell or a town tell, now, THERE you will find some disagreement.Hay wrote:I don't believe voting at this stage is a scum tell John.
Players?Especially because this is a hard game with the current majority being 12.
We've had less than that?
Needed to lynch?
That's 11.
What were you saying?
I'm not exactly sure how I typed what I did beyond being tired.
It shoulda said this is a large game with the current majority beign 11. Hard-large and 12-11. Pretty dumb errors of me to do.-
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Hmmmm. I'll simply adress points that I remember from the topic. If anyone wants to point out anything I missed, please do so. I just spent the past few hours reading the topic from start to finish. This re-read has greatly altered my opinions before. I'd also like to state before going on, that my posts around the beggining were all made at midnight-2amish. Therefore my thought process is kinda flawed.
My reason for not posting in the past couple days is exams and lack of proper sleep. I always look scummy(well more scummy) when I post while tired.
Anyways, my possible explanation about Kublai had no basis. I was just saying a possibility because the question was raised. i have a bad habbit of answering questions I know little about.
My opinion of Mastin seems to fluctuate every page or so. He's doing a great job scum hunting, yet his comments refering to his own meta and why he should be considered town, bother me. I can fully understand bringing information like that every now and then, but he seems to do it 2/3 posts. Note the fraction isn't precise. Now considering that there is a high possibility(possibility, not fact) that there is a second mafia would make scumhunting as mafia a very good idea.(As opposed to fake scumhunting that normaly happens by mafia)
Also Mastin, you were bugging kublai about the flavour text in his role pm. The amount of possible information makes me curious, did you get a bunch of flavour information?
I should also bring up my original suspect, rofl. I still find his very instant, and non-changing suspiscion of mastin oddly suspiscious. I've never seen someone so sure so soon, when it is based off of total nonsense. The points I though that were legit was Mastin's lack of a repsonse to post 33, and Mastin's RVS vote on Kublai. I think the suspicious behavior far exeeds his valid points.
I also think Zaz inquired about an inconsistancy in my thought process. Allow me to explain. I know nothing about millers in forum mafia. I have never seen one, so I know nothing about them. The only way for me to learn about them is through other peoples opinions. Whether or not I'm reading an article about it, or reading posts in this game about it, they are other peoples opinions. If I could do it without opinions, I would. The only way I could possibly learn about it with minimul opinions is to read a game with a miller in it, but I am not searching hours on end for one.
And my final paragraph of this post will be about johnny rotten. The scumbag. If you can't guess, I think he is a mafioso. His reasons are bad, his posts are sub-par. There is nothing I can bring up that wouldn't be repeating information. So with that in mind, I cast my first vote of the game(which means I'm very certain of something)
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I'm sorry what? Lied? I did not lie.
I don't know for sure, but perhaps his acting different is because that was a newbie game. I can already tell how different newbie games are from large games in the first two pages
In no where in there did I say a lie. I even said I don't know for sure. I even said perhaps. Do not accuse me of lieing when I haven't even come close to lieing.-
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Hokay so.
My "coaching" wasn't intended as it was. t was intended to show that I suspect ckool. Maybe subtlety shouldn't be used by me anymore...no one ever seems to pick up on the meaning.
Also, Mastin when you're on, in case you missed my question. Did you get a bunch of flavour information in your role?-
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gah, I don't even remember clicking the post button.
As for rofl telling me to convince him to vote for johnny over mastin in the next few posts. I do not believe I should need too. Not because it is obvious that johnny is mafia, but because you should vote for whoever YOU think you should vote for. Not because of what other people think, I stand by this belief in mafia, because..well....it just makese logical sense. It's just dumb to be wrong off of other peoples thoughts.(Assuming the thoughts are wrong, they could be right)
Lowell:You said i made an ANYONE BUT ME!!!!!!! post. I have to disagree, why would it matter if I was lynched. i'm not dumb, I don't think I'm good at mafia. Hell I hardly know how to play mafia here especially because of where I learned. If you think I'm lieing, please, go find out my meta. I posted all of it. Well that's not entirly true, I posted all of the existing meta. Some of the mafia games on casual colelctive were deleted. Anyways, on with it. I'm not saying don't vote me because I'm a noob though. Do not think that, if you suspect me, vote by all means. It wont be a heavy loss for town anyways, I'd be a better lynch than most maybe mafs right now.
Post 102 was not the greatest of posts no. I even looked back to check up on it. Anyways, for teh millionth time, I suspected rofl because of his very serious lets lynch Mastin on the SECOND PAGE. There is no where near enough time to actually develope a suspiscion of people on PAGE 2. It wasn't even mid way down, it was the very first post. I mean seriously, wtf.-
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Also what do you people think of Johnny's sudden leaving at pressure on him? This could imply scummish behavior, but I don't consider that a scum tell really. Mostly because I have already seen 3 different ocasions here where the town that left was leaving because of life. They were still lynch in the end though.-
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/unvote
That unvote was to allow wp to defend his current hot seat spot. Mufasa's bandwagon vote also has something to do with the unvote, because I strongly dislike a badnwagon vote for the sake of voting.
Mastin sure takes a long time eating, i'd still really like to hear about how much flavour text he got in his role.
I'm unsure of the KK thing. I figured from his posts that he just assumed he was regular miller. I mean this is a normal game, and regular miller even pushes it for a normal role. Especially considering all the mind fuck that comes with being a miller.
@Lowell: Wouldn't more rival bandwagons just make the game even more confusing and chaotic than it already is? You'r voting for the sake of a baswagon, and that my friend, is sillyness.-
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Hokay so
Of all the people.I feel most comfterable lynching my original suspect, Rofl. I still say that making the assumption that a player is mafia or town with the first page of the game, and be 100% sure about it, is rather scummy. He then assumed I was scum directly after, only for suspecting him. This comes off to me, as somewhat OMGUS. He now rarely posts and simply calls is apathy, but why not merely replace then? He's still in the game, but his posts are few and far inbetween usually. Even then, he just keeps the same suspisions and adds little discussion. I know I haven't added much, but I have tried what I can. Perhaps I should kick it up a notch though.
As for nowvote:roflcopter
As for Mastin. At this point in time I believe him. I think I'm starting to understand why he does what he does. And if I'm right, he's rather clever. He seems to make a decent case on KK, but I'm unwiling to go after KK right now. I think both should be left alive for the time being.
Vp..Your responsible for replacing Johnny. I suspected Johnny almost since he started posting. You have done a very good job of convicing me otherwise, but I also keep in mind that you are a very good player. Very good players of any game, have a way of manipulating it. As of this point in time, I lean in the town direction, but IGMEOY.(That does mean I think you and Mastin are townies bickering with each other)
FOS:Ckool.
I don't like his play. He pleads that he is just making himself look scummy when he talks. He says many odd and out of place things. I'll elaborate later as I havent paid much attention to him in the past little while, and I have shitty memory.-
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@MafiaMann-I'm actually a bit unsure on your feelings on Khan. You talked about him early when you seemed to be feeling out the town opinion, but after that he seemed to drop off your radar even though he was a hot topic. As of right now, do you feel he is town or scum? Why?
I still want Hayker to comment on this. Hayker, did you believe you were wrong when you made the original statement, or were you later proven wrong about it?[/quote]MM wrote:VP wrote:
You are saying he willfully gave incorrect information? Cause I'm pretty sure he said that he said something he may not have been sure about and it turned out to be wrong. These are different. Perhaps Hayker can step in here.MM wrote:
He was giving people info with the belief that it was wrong is this not the definition of a lie.
He said he believed he was wrong later so why say somthing that you dont believe to be true. Misleading.
My spologies for not vommenting on this right away. I read it but was still reading other things at the time. I did say I could be wrong, and I did say it was a possibility. I believe it is simply not a very useful thing to say. I do not believe I was in the wrong in saying it, merely that I could have said something better. Make what you will of this.-
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@MafiaMann-I'm actually a bit unsure on your feelings on Khan. You talked about him early when you seemed to be feeling out the town opinion, but after that he seemed to drop off your radar even though he was a hot topic. As of right now, do you feel he is town or scum? Why?
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Great a bandwagon on me. Hokay, so.
I'm gonna respond to todays posts in order.
Thanks VP for pointing that out, and thank you to Serial for Clarifying. As for my lavk of knowledge of it, I've been here for only a few months now. This is my third game. Well technically fourth. The style here is very different, and I'm still learning the tricks to improve my style for this type of mafia game.
Sure you coudl say I should be in a newbie game, but I like the full expierience. You learn a lot more IMO.
Also I don't consider my thanking buddying because I'm Canadian and thank people for assisting people. (And no I'm not trying to say other people in other countried don't thank people.)
Anyvays I actually didn't notice the neighboor thing originally. This is rather interesting. Is there ever more than 2 neighboors? Also are neighboors alignments usually given out? I would assume yes, but I've learned that assuming things is often dumb.
I'm going to read zazie's posts and try to figure out her relationship with Mastin, KK and ckool specifically.
@Faraday:Noise. Sound that does nothing but annoy. Could you clarify what you mean please?
@Emp: If your refering to the vote, xyl replaced in the game recently. If your refering to the other sentences, I agree. Well not he mastin not being alive part. That more appliues to rofl.
@Rofl: Thanks for the vote. I'd say more, but I'm following what I said.
@rofl/xyl: You seem sure of yourself rofl. Well accept about that Mastin not being town. Lessening your attacks on Mastin? Mindless bandwagon? wtf. Seriously. I can't even respond because townies seem to do this as often as mafia, but why on earth would they do this >.<. It drives me crazy. "Regardless I'm still right" At this point, I don't give a shit about your meta. It can still be wrong. Yes it is kinda an omgus vote, but I did suspect him before it.
vote:Roflcopter
@KK:Adding Emp to my list of reads.
I also think that lowell is a bit suspiscious, but not enough to warrent a vote. Also adding him.
@Lowell: I realize I just broke what I said I'd do, but meh. Thanks for the vote, and thanks for accusing people for being lazy when they clearly aren't.
@curious:No, Lowell is voting for me. I agree withthe thousand reasons to do one action comnment on faraday.
@ VP:Mastin's comments will indeed be appreciated.-
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I'm sorry, but i this really how rofl plays? I mean really, this is insanity. His counter arguments are just...mind blowing. He even admits to not paying attention much. So is he even reading the posts fully? I just arrg.
therefore, is it really safe to say the fact that he is playing to his meta of inane psychobabble makes him more likely to be town? the answer is no. roflcopter has built himself a meta prison wherein he must act this way no matter his alignment, therefore him acting this way tells us nothing about it. it is the actual content of what he is saying which is important, not simply the fact that he's saying so much of it as usual.
...Your own argument. Very general isn't it? Note that I'm not quoting it, and it's point is not the one that it makes.-
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Mastin, do you think it more likly that here are 3+ mafia factions, or 2 mafia factions, and one or two others?
Good find on the flavour though, there is a decent chance of it matching up with the factions.
I'm pretty sure Khan is indeed a miller now. Two mafia factions make it seem likely. There could be a third, but we have no way to confirm, until that third killing role dies. It's a possibility, but one that I think we shouldn't worry about until later. I don't see how the people shouting vig shoot him, makes him suspiscious.-
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/unvote
I still suspect rofl, but it seems that many agree that rofl is playing to his meta. I will most likley make another atempt later in the day phase.
/vote:ckool
There have been several arguments made towards you ckool, answering some might give us a clearer read on you being scum or town. KK makes sense to me, we don't need to lynch you right now, just pressure you.-
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Votes being used as pressure seems rather commen here. I don't see what's wrong with it. Not every vote needs to be merely to lynch someone, it limits your options too much.Faraday wrote:
This is an awful vote. You don't even say you think he's scum, you just want him to "give you a clearer read". Also saying you don't intend to lynch him and it's just for pressure defeats the whole point of the voteHayker wrote:/unvote
I still suspect rofl, but it seems that many agree that rofl is playing to his meta. I will most likley make another atempt later in the day phase.
/vote:ckool
There have been several arguments made towards you ckool, answering some might give us a clearer read on you being scum or town. KK makes sense to me, we don't need to lynch you right now, just pressure you.
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Vote Hayker
Wat. why is this relevant?[/quote]Hayker wrote:
Ummm....what? We don't even know if we have a TOWN doctor.ckool5000 wrote: I just now realized that I'm probably going to get killed without the help of a doctor...
I thought it was an odd comment, because it seems to assume that we have don't have a doctor, when there is a rather high chance we have one.
@VP:As of now I have a rather town readon wicked, he posts often, and devotes his posts to scum hunting. He was the only one to go through full posts of mastin.
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The rofl wifom idea makes sense to me. Things have nagged at me in my past several iso reads. These consisted of: rofl, vp, lowel, bloodcovenent, dvd, kmd, fallen angel, faraday
I'd like to note that I intend to finish my iso reads on every player in the game. This promise is not a fast promise nescesarily(but that's also not to say that it can't be a fast promise)
Rofl, within the first few pages pf the game(keep in mind iso read, but it was all on day 1, claimed Mastin to be scum, with fallen angel as his scum buddy. Then some referances were made to Lynch all Lurkers, where rofl called a scum and his scum partner.
Seems similer doesn't it? It seems a bunch fo things in this game lined up with Lynch all lurkers.
Bare with me for the rest of this post, when I started it, I thought it was a good idea at first, but now I'm having major second thoughts, and don't consider it all too legitimate. But in the spirit of insanity, my boredom, mind games, and quite simply just to remember my thought just in case I present to you all, THE MIND**** FILES.
Hokay so, I'm thinkign rofl, Mastin for scum team. Fallen angel could be included, but I cannot find anything to prove it, and he could be included in a particular mind game, that would involve him getting lynched.
Mastin said at the beggining of the game that he felt he wasn't as good as scum, and wasn't beneficial to the scum team. If Mastin knows this about himself, wouldn't he warn his scum team about it? There could have been a plan.
Rofl is known for tunneling. At times he does indeed post points, but usually he just say if someone is scum or town, and seems to never change his opinion.
This means Rofl could easily bus a scum partner, and look great doing it. He'd attract very little attention. Why not make the situation look like another game?
Fallen angel,Xyl.....I'm unsure of what to do about at the moment. I'm gonna re-read fallen again, and then read Xyl. Really, I'll have a better view once rofl is dead.
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Well, on FEABL I'm used to 1/3, rounded down, being scum. I haven't figured out the average here yet, so I'm gonna use FEABL averages. I prefer worst case scenario thoughts anyways.
I think there was 4 on each team and viridian lost one, and cerulean lost two. Which makes is 3/2 so 5 mafia left.
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For winning/losing purposes, does the two mafia group totals add up to determiune victory over cits?
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Things lined up, and I'm a little crazy some times. I have "fun" ideas sometimes in mafia. Fun is quoted because only I generally find those things fun.roflcopter wrote:
and now you're trying to lynch me FOR being right. pathetic, really.Kmd4390 wrote:If Rofl was scum with Mastin, it would make sense for him to say shoot me if Mastin is scum and shoot him if Mastin is town. Just sayin'.
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Vp seemed to be fairly all out of Mastin. My statement was from how Johnny acted day 1. He wen t right after Mastin . Completly all out. I believe there is only one inno ivest to prize out of his posts.roflcopter wrote:
actually no, pretty sure baltar would have been eager to help lynch mastin d2 if he had a guilty on him, not starting counterwagons. so there's two potential innocent investigations to prize out of baltar/johnny rotten's posts.Hayker wrote:Actually rofl, I completly agree with you there for a change.
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Again I know it's not directed at me, but I have things to add.roflcopter wrote:having just skimmed namtamm in iso, kmd may get a reprieve. i'm pretty sure 3 members per team is all that makes sense, and namtamm is literallyscreamingmastin-scumpartner.
and kmd, if you think baltar had a guilty on mastin, why would he vote someone other than mastin when the mastin wagon reignited at the end of yesterday?
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I'm confused as to how it makes sense for two groups of three makes for sense than 2 groups of 4.
two groups of 3 at this ratio
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We had 1 vig. That can be up to 3 kills a night. Potentially, eveyr night 2/3 of the mafia could die. If you include one lynch a day, an entire mafia could have been eliminated day 1. Now that's unliekly, but why make a setup that has potential to screw over a team day 1. I sincerly doubt the 3 member mafi idea.-
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That's a fair point rofl, I didn't think thatfully through.(Meaning I didn't factor in the power roles). If that's the case, I think cerualean probably has 3, but that doesn't mean viridian can't have 4.
so basically one with 3 and one with 4. But who knows what the gm has in store for us really, this is all speculation. As of now, I think it unlikely for there to be a town bg.-
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If you must know, I tend to post more as a game gets rolling. I'm usually clueless day 1, start to get a grip day 2, and by day 3 my thoughts start to make sense to myself.Lowell wrote:vote hayker.
Is he kidding me? He was scummy as hell D1, all but disappeared, then came back immediately after the thread opens to say "ouch, bad day to be a citizen." Easy vote.
Though day 2 I could hav ebeen mroe active if not for:
Summer School
A tournament I need to get done in FEABL
Being in 3 other mafia games on different sites
Also dealing with life in general, which is always a nuisance
and of course enjoying my summer. Part of that involves mafia, but I have many other activities I enjpoy doing. Mostly different games.
Also I like your use of words. "Easy vote"
I sense that KMD may vote for me soon.