Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[Kise]

I wasn't lurking. I had to replace in another game and it took me 3+ hours to catch up on all the pages.

Vote: Johnny Rotten

Also, I just want to point out that this is the 2nd time tonight that I've heard of a supposed Miller claiming on D1!

Mastin, is that a Digimon in your avy? I've been curious for a while now.

[Kise]

And in case anyone asks, I voted for Rotten because of his minimal post. There's so much activity going on, but he doesn't care to comment on it at all.

roflcopter is pressing for a lynch quite hard. This does seem typical Mastin, but I'm not sure if I'll believe it this time around. No vote for either of you yet until I read more of your behaviors.

And don't worry, Khan. I won't kill ya.

[Kise]

@Hayker - The randomness never dies down until Mastin finds an opponent, and it just very well may be roflcopter. I can sense a bit of stubborn-tunneler looming.

I honestly am not sure if you're town this time around, Mastin. I noticed you don't get a mafia role a whole lot because the mods are smart (:p) knowing you always brings attention to yourself and always end up in the hot seat. My view on you leans more towards NOT being scum simply because of the attention you drew, but I'm always watching and waiting for those scumslips. I am using meta right now, because in the game you were scum, your posts were very distanced and not as rapid as whenever you're town.

Khan's Miller claim doesn't move me. I'd still vote for him if he acts scummy because I was in a game not long ago where the [Death] Miller was of neutral alignment and would have won the game before the town if all of the mafia were eradicated. So, Millers are still suspects IMO.

I can already tell roflcopter is an aggressive player, and a very serious one at that, despite his name. I don't favor any kind of persistent, just like in this case, where the aggressor doesn't seem to be open-minded enough to accept the possibility of someone's actions such as yours (Mastin) to be that of a pro-town player. Obviously, I'm quite familiar with your style by now, so I know what to expect. And besides that, it generally would not be a good idea for scum to put so many eyes on them during the start of a game, because if they got lynched on D1 and flipped mafia, they'd be jackasses for real..

Not much to say about fallenangel, since he's still in a RVS of his own, lol.

And for your 4th question: I think you're a blue digimon, is what I think. But more seriously, I think you'll bump heads with roflcopter for a bit and that will continue to be the focal point of D1. You two should ignore doing anything OMGUS because, in the event both of you are town, the mafia will just pick a side and play the parts of your supporters while attacker the other.

How can you say I'm fencesitting when I already made a vote?

[Kise]

Oh boy... I think I just gave Mastin more ammo for his next posts, lol. I bet it'll be a thick read.

OK, it's nearly 2:30 in the morning, so I'm logging off. I'll come back to play tomorrow.

Night. Try not to make 14 pages when I wake up.

[Kise]

Post 48 has a lot of grammatical errors... I defo need rest.. g'night once again.

[Kise]

And don't worry, Khan. I won't kill ya.

Uh.. Are you claiming a killing role?

Well, either I'm a killer who will neglect killing you, or I don't have killing-powers so therefore I couldn't attempt to kill ya anyway But now it looks like you rolefished..... and I committed entrapment.... and you took the bait.... but we're still cool. Let's move right along.

Do you think if he was scum he is making a good move.

Yes, because there will be many players who are suspicious of him due to the claim, but more won't be suspicious as it is seen as a pro-town move to claim miller before a cop investigation has been revealed.
Which means that an opposing scumteam kill would be very unlikely

You think there's 2 scum teams? Don't break my heart here Zazie... what do you know???

Oh boy... I think I just gave Mastin more ammo for his next posts,

lol

. I bet it'll be a thick read.

To me, saying "lol" in your first two sentences when there wasn't a joke in the previous is a slight scum-tell, since it sub-consciously lures the town into believing that you're like them or something like that...

I've always wanted to point that out in someone's post, but never got a chance to until now.

But..... what's wrong with laughing at [regretfully] giving Mastin more ammo to type about? Trying to point out a trivial-scumtell = a scumtell. Shame on you!

I'm keeping the vote on Rotten for those comments he made (in the post where he says he wants Mastin lynched; can't be bothered to link or quote. You all know which post I'm referring to, hopefully).

Wicked speaks quite strangely.. I feel like giving him the finger (of suspicion, of course ) but I won't judge someone who hasn't posted much, and only commented on the Miller issue.

I get the feeling that rofl & Far are town. They'll be useful players for the town. And, despite how positive I feel about Mastin, I'm not sure what I can say to convince or persuade rofl. I'll leave it up to him to have faith in Mastin.

FoS: MafiaMann

-- Needless speculation and focusing too much on useless material from RVS/Night 0.

IGMEO

ckool.... just saying..

[Kise]

IGMEO = I got my eye on....

It's usually IGMEOY, where 'Y' would = you.

[Kise]

Johnny Rotten- Waiting for his big post, but the case Kise put on him seems really weak. Not enough posts for a guess at alignment.
Kise- Weak vote on JR. Tried to put up a reason for it, and failed. Possible softclaim of a killing role, then backtracks. Neutral leaning towards scummy.

Why so much defense of JR? My name honestly did not have to be brought up in order to save-face for JR (you later say I'm leaning towards the scummy side, which makes it seem like I'm scum attacking a townie, know what I mean?).

So, what your basically saying is, my assumptions were wrong. LOL

Uh oh, ckool. He ell-o-ell'd!

KK's post here is rather interesting. Zazie got caught slipping and she still has a chance to break my heart.. my achey-breaky heart. I would encourage her to explain/comment on Khan's exposure of her.

At the very least, Kublai Khan was being inconsistent--he called two people out for debating what killed who, and then goes off to speculate that the mafia doctor kill was a really lucky vig.

I'll let KK explain it though

Agreed. I want this as well.

Me third.

I don't really mind this speculation on my "claim." If anyone wants to ask me about it, shoot away. I won't shout "ROLEFISHER" or anything.. promise.. Khan is still cool as far as I'm concerned. He did sorta rolefish by asking me whether I'm a killer, but that's understandable. My post was quite iffy and possibly left the door open for speculation/WIFOM. Although there's not much you can get out of whether or not I am a killer, ask away if you feel you must.

However[!], I do (personally) think that anyone asking, "Hey, do you guys think another mafia did the 3rd kill or an SK?," is trying to bait for something.. For instance, if someone here was apart of the B-mafia or another Killer and they blurted out, "Yeah I think it was the 2nd mafia" or "I think it was another vig who did this kill," that would pretty much hint to the questioner whether the answerer had something to do with the 3rd kill. None of you have to comment on this; just wanted share my thoughts.

Also, his scumhunting/attempt at it seemed more like stuff in the

Road to Rome

.

Ouch...

You definitely said leaning towards scum. Are you changing what you said initially?

No

(?)

, but I said

leaning

towards scum.

Same thing?

[Kise]

Not that I'm trying to put you on the wagon, but how come you don't find Rotten's dialogue to be fishy?

I agree that MM is also a heavily suspicious, hence why I FoS'd him earlier. I'm waiting for bigger scum-behavior from hayker & FA, but

IGMEO

them.

[Kise]

Not that I'm giving anybody town points, but I only see Rotten & Khan as strong enough cases to make votes against. MM still has my finger on him, although he's picked it up a bit, as far as scumhunting goes.

[Kise]

@Zaz - I didn't personally backtrack when Khan "exposed" you for using someone else's quotes to support your case against him. So everything he said about you, I believed it. You retorted back by saying you didn't use anybodies quotes, and I [still lazily] did not backtrack to confirm for myself. So, me thinking that someone/Khan would not deliberately lie about something such as this, I thought he exposed you for lying yourself.

But that situation is not why I would vote for KK.

After a while, he himself begins to get caught up in quite a tangled web, where he's not sure if he's a death miller or an [emerald] miller. Add to that the uncertainty he has when answering Mastin's questions, and he gives off a huge scummy aura to me.

HoS: ckool

(it's evident why)

[Kise]

@Zazie - Yep, believed him. The way the two of you explained yourselves made it seemed like the two of you were both correct in your own little worlds. You apparently did use a quote of someone else's, but you did not use that quote in your case against him.

No vote for Khan because I'm voting for Rotten.

@Empking - Why not? This post of his <-- is just wrong. In another game, you pretty much wanted Mastin gone for the same reason, but, on top of what Rotten has said here, he contradicts himself a lot as well by suggesting we shouldn't be hasty to vote since we have a lot of time til deadline, but then he [policy] votes Mastin. On top of that, he's not helping to determine who'd make a reasonable lynch (i.e. which scummy player should be voted against).

Why the votes on fallen & KK?

[Kise]

TY Nam. I am keeping my vote.

[Kise]

FoS: ckool

In case I haven't done that already.

[Kise]

Zaz', are you one of the persons who suspected ckool? I could be wrong. And I'm just asking for personal reference.

[Kise]

Does that mean you'll dismiss every potential scumslip of his and charge it to him being newb? What if he was newbscum; have you considered that as well?

[Kise]

I'm researching.

Exactly how small/big is this gut of yours?

[Kise]

Rephrase: On a scale of 1 to 10, how much of this 'gut feeling' makes you trust ckool, with 1 being untrusting & 10 being highly trusting of him.

[Kise]

Woopsie!

[Kise]

ckool, you've been seeming pretty scummy to me.

[Kise]

Lol, you called him a dead miller. Cute.

[Kise]

*hides behind Hayker*

[Kise]

We don't.

[Kise]

Tell the truth. You're watching digimon.

*eagerly awaiting JR's replacement*

[Kise]

I'll buy that. I find myself not wanting to butt in when two people are debating. I only interject when I think one is scummy. Otherwise, I view it as an innocent arguing with an innocent... until proven guilty.

[Kise]

I still think Khan is mega suspicious for not saying Emerald Miller before the storm swept through. Makes me think he later came up with something to get people off his back and look townie/Emeraldie.. But speculation is not enough to convince everyone for a wagon, Zazie. Sorry, we can't do it like that. More proof on Khan will be needed, or we get 5 more volunteers to lynch Rotten/Balter before he uses his dashing-good looks to charm everyone.

[Kise]

My speculation, not yours.

V/LA for the next 6 days. I'll be able to come online and make minor posts, at best.

[Kise]

He's saying he doesn't care to comment on anything, so he's.... ACTIVE LURKING?!?!?!?!

[Kise]

FA is a much better lynch

I agree. I had the feeling he was scum long ago, but he hasn't done much of anything to help me build a case against him.

[Kise]

You better be sorry!

[Kise]

I did. And that 2nd quote of mine is when I asked Emp (I think it was him) why he voted for those 2 w/o giving a reason.

Mastin is tied up in my basement

[Kise]

Reading in ISO is oh-so limited. ^_^

[Kise]

Haven't forgotten. I just don't do favors for those I think are scum. If VP is trying to build up a defense case, then reading Rotten in ISO is his best chance to see for himself the bad shape Rotten left him in.

Contradictions + Bad logic + Helping the mafia's objective = 6 votes against him.

[Kise]

Jesus

Christ

Kise... Sorry guys, but I'll catch up when I'm back home.

[Kise]

I'm still on vacay'. Be back home in a few days to catch up.

[Kise]

I'm pretty sure I FoS'd MM earlier, but can someone tell me whether this is good enough to earn my vote? Only thing I see he's said is that no one should vote for Mastin, which I don't find scummy. So what's the case?

[Kise]

I'm not really caught up. I've been skimming the pages these past few days.

When I do return, you can expect an epic WoT w/ good content. Mayhaps.

[Kise]

Back home, just to let you guys know. Not sure what page I left off..

I fingered MM earlier, so I don't mind lynching him. The general consensus is that we're waiting for rofl to post? I'll wait until he posts, and catch up on things in the meantime.

[Kise]

Wow, Far... nicely played there, buddy.

Congrats to the Vermin mafia. Khan also had people fooled.. nice going by Zazie to argue with Khan though. I think he even went as far to call him a bitch, lol.