Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[ckool5000]

Whoa! 5 pages already? Man! I'll read through them all... when I can... But first of all, yay! A mafia doctor (or whatever it is) has been eliminated!

[ckool5000]

To help me understand the first few pages... What's tunneling?

[ckool5000]

Ah, yes. I've heard of confirmation bias before. With that info, I'll read the thread once more.

[ckool5000]

I'm having trouble believing that a mafia would kill Konowa.

Konowa, when he/she signed up for this game, hadn't played a single game of mafia yet! He/she signed up for one, but never actually played one. Would a newbie's likeliness to be lynched make the mafia want to kill them?... Probably not.

Does this make MafiaMann innocent?... I have no idea.

[ckool5000]

I'm having trouble believing that a mafia would kill Konowa.

Konowa, when he/she signed up for this game, hadn't played a single game of mafia yet! He/she signed up for one, but never actually played one. Would a newbie's likeliness to be lynched make the mafia want to kill them?... Probably not.

Does this make MafiaMann innocent?... I have no idea.

I see your point about Konowa so does this mean you are leaning towards a vig kill since SK would probably not kill him for the reason the mafia would not.

A vig may have thought that mafia would take advantage of him for an easy lynch so might as well take them out now.

How does this relate to my innocence though?

1. Yes.
2. Yeah, pretty much.
3. Er... Maybe because you suggested that it was another mafia faction?... I'm really not that sure.

[ckool5000]

Yes, but he's... Mastin... You never know whether he's telling the truth or not, if he's serious about the game, or what color his socks are...

I have no clue why I said that last part. Also, Mastin had a link to some of his town tell/scum tells, and one of them was something about gambling or something. I'm thinking about whether about you're town for sticking with your opposite faction thing.

[ckool5000]

I've managed to confuse myself with my last post. Allow me to rephrase the second half: "One of Mastin's town-tells was that someone sticks with what they were betting was true. You're pretty sure that it was an opposing faction. So does that make you more likely to be town?"

[ckool5000]

Mastin acting weird is a null tell. He's Mastin, dammit!

This quote pretty much sums up the whole thing about Mastin.

[ckool5000]

Oh boy... I think I just gave Mastin more ammo for his next posts,

lol

. I bet it'll be a thick read.

To me, saying "lol" in your first two sentences when there wasn't a joke in the previous is a slight scum-tell, since it sub-consciously lures the town into believing that you're like them or something like that...

I've always wanted to point that out in someone's post, but never got a chance to until now.

[ckool5000]

Assuming we have multiple factions though should that change how we scum hunt?

We lynch whoever's scummiest ... Unless someone has a better idea.

[ckool5000]

I should really stop talking for right now. Each post makes me look more like an idiot.

[ckool5000]

2 things:
1. Yeah, it's a pretty weak tell, but it's been used successfully before to find scum.
2. Happy scumday!

[ckool5000]

Sorry, I gotta go to the store now.

[ckool5000]

@ckool5000 (117): How do you know a mafioso did it? Are you lamenting the loss of Konowa? Why aren't you rejoicing that we have a lucky vig?

As for why specific people were killed, who knows? For all we know they could have just loaded the player list in the random.org list randomizer and went with the top pick. Speculating on Night 0 kill choices is nothing but a useless WIFOM venture. And MafiaMann & ckool5000 are both scummy for engaging in it.

And for Mod's sake, ckool5000, are you seriously following someone else's list of wiki scum & town tells while you're playing in a game with that same person? WTF?

WTF Kublai? I said specifically that I DOUBTED that a second mafia killed Konowa. You're obviously not paying attention. I can't really call this a strawman because you're not trying to make what I say weaker, you're trying to make it seem like I said the opposite of what I said!

And how is it WIFOM? The mafia would want to keep an easily lynchable person in the game. Case closed.

And lastly, I was just

pointing out

that MafiaMann was sticking to what he said about a second mafia killing Konowa until I showed him otherwise

could

show that he's a townie.

I guess I was right in post 128: The more I post, the more I look like an idiot . (If you don't believe me about that, ask Faraday about my first game...)

[ckool5000]

And as far as "rejoicing", here's my first post:

Whoa! 5 pages already? Man! I'll read through them all... when I can...

But first of all, yay! A mafia doctor (or whatever it is) has been eliminated!

[ckool5000]

Wow ZazieR, if you don't count the vote count post by the mod, you've just posted 12 times in a row! Is that a record?

[ckool5000]

I'm having trouble believing that a mafia would kill Konowa.

Konowa, when he/she signed up for this game, hadn't played a single game of mafia yet! He/she signed up for one, but never actually played one. Would a newbie's likeliness to be lynched make the mafia want to kill them?... Probably not.

Does this make MafiaMann innocent?... I have no idea.

It''s actually possible, as a new player is less likely to be expected and can confuse town a lot.
However, I''m not a fan of looking into who killed who as each player think differently. I''ve learned this the hard way once >.<

Yes, but for night 0, it's always a good idea for scum to keep a lynchalious (to quote a certain dgb) newbie alive... But of course, that leads to WIFOM, because the newbie could be the scum... Which they were in this case...

I think MafiaMann gets my point, and that's all I wanted to do with the whole talking about night 0... So I won't talk about it anymore...

[ckool5000]

If this is a serious tell from this guy, ckool and I will get along rather well.

It

is

a serious tell...

[ckool5000]

Oh yeah, what's IGMEO?

[ckool5000]

Actually, it's not THAT serious of a tell, I just really wanted to say that about someone's post... But that is something to point out, and adds a point to the "Suspicion of Kublai Khan-o-meter".

[ckool5000]

@ckool5000 199: Huh?

I've always wanted to point out a "lol" scum-tell, even if it's not

that

big of a scum-tell.

[ckool5000]

@ckool5000 199: Huh?

I've always wanted to point out a "lol" scum-tell, even if it's not

that

big of a scum-tell.

I'm saying "Huh?" about this (bolded):

Actually, it's not THAT serious of a tell, I just really wanted to say that about someone's post... But that is something to point out, and adds a point to the

"Suspicion of Kublai Khan-o-meter".

I never say "lol". Are you confusing me with Kise or are Kise's actions somehow causing you to suspect me?

Oh, sorry. I got you confused with Kise... So much confusion...

[ckool5000]

It doesn't show crap. In context I was asking ckool5000 why he thought "scenario A" happened and not an alternative "Scenario B". I never said that "Scenario B" is what I thought happened.

But, however, I said that I thought "Scenario A" was very unlikely, and you flipped them around.

Sorry, I just really wanted to say that.

[ckool5000]

You know what I think? I think the following people REALLY need to share their opinions/what they've found out:

Achilles
BloodCovenent
dvdkid13
Namttam
Redith
reveillark

Seriously, you six are on the borderline of lurking.

You too Wickedestjr... But you posted right before this post, so at least we know you're here.

[ckool5000]

Yeah, I'm not the type of guy who posts huge content posts, and I'm not exactly very good at pointing out stuff... If you don't believe me (and I'm not saying you're not) then check out the last game I played in as town... and survived and won. I was a heck of a lot quieter in that game because I learned my lesson from my first: The more I post, the more I like an idiot/scumguy. Ask Faraday. He knows.

[ckool5000]

Hey, aren't I posting a bunch?... It may not be the best posts, but at least I'm trying.

[ckool5000]

Why are you glad that it's not the case?

[ckool5000]

If you can't post a ton, that's okay, but make them worthwhile, not just, "Hi, checking in, don't replace me." Those do nothing for us.

Can you point to a single "checking in" post that I've made, or anything like that?

[ckool5000]

Look, all I wanted to point out was that I'm not very good with huge content posts. I post whatever the first couple of things that come to mind that might benefit the town. I hold back a little bit... you know, so that it's not just a bunch of random junk, but I try.

[ckool5000]

Not saying that you did, I'm just saying don't in the future, even if large posts are hard. Do small ones. Point out suspicions. We don't all have to have extremely long posts.

....Okay!

[ckool5000]

Wow... I screwed up the quote on that...

[ckool5000]

FoS: ckool5000

Yep, that proves it. The more I post, the more of an idiot I look.

[ckool5000]

@ckool5000 (252): The game may be 11 pages, but it's only 2 days old. They aren't lurking. They're catching up. You're engaging in fake scum-hunting.

1. Well okay then... Some of them said they'd catch up near the start of the game... Just forget I ever said it.

2. No... I'm just trying to get some more opinions in here.

[ckool5000]

So, what your basically saying is, my assumptions were wrong. LOL

Uh oh, ckool. He ell-o-ell'd!

Oh Em Gee! Such a big deal! lol.

Oh no, now I ell-o-ell'd!

[ckool5000]

I only post a lot when I don't have much to say, then think of something then post it... Then think of something else and post that, and etc.... I'm going to have to leave a mental note in my brain that if either ZazieR or Achilles is scum, then they're not scum buddies... Since, wouldn't Achilles remember that ZazieR is female if he was her scumbuddy? That doesn't mean that they're not both scum, nor does it mean that they're scum at all!... They're probably just not scumbuddies...

[ckool5000]

On the whole "piggy-backing my evidence" thing, I wasn't exactly trying to convince everyone that Kublai was scum, I was just saying "WTF?" to my computer repeatedly... Because Kublai had mixed up what I had said. If you find that and whatever else is in his post a scum-tell, then go right ahead and vote for him...

You know what? After looking at everything, I will too.

Vote: Kublai Khan

[ckool5000]

Oh, also, that first image that you posted ZazieR... It's going to give me nightmares... for real. Also, in a previous game, I had reffered to a male goon as a "she", and when he corrected it, everyone went into a big debate on whether or not I should know whether my scumbuddy's male or female... So that's why I brought it up.

[ckool5000]

FoS: ckool5000

1.) "yay scum doctor is dead" post. I think Mastin went over this at one point. (granted i think at this point it would have been hard for mastin to NOT mention something)

2.) saying that "lol" is a scumtell. complete nonsense.

4.) Calling people lurkers in a game with 10+ pages that started less than 24 hours ago...people have lives/work/are slow readers.

Okay, so people wanted me to comment on these three things, so here I go:

1. Um.... What? Look, if someone says, "Oh, congrats doctor!", then that's a scumtell... But me saying that I'm glad that a scum powerrole is dead?... Well...... It's not a scumtell, because it's something we all know... Or something.... So... Yeah....

2. First of all, I do consider the 'lol' scumtell to be a real, if weak, scumtell. Also note that afterwards I noted that I've always wanted to point that out as a scumtell, and in the post that the 'lol' was in, it wasn't a 100% serious scumtell. The perfect case of a 'lol' scumtell would be:

"lol.

Yeah, I think that so-and-so is scum because they're using pictures. Vote: So-and-so."

That would be the perfect case of a 'lol' scumtell, because the 'lol' makes you relaxed when reading the rest of the post, so you won't care as much about the terrible vote and/or logic. Of course, the tell isn't that good, especially considering that a lot of people just use 'lol' a lot. Now that we've talked about 'lol' so much, there's another branch of this tell that I probably shouldn't tell you, because then the scum would avoid that tell too.... Wow, so much talk about a weak scumtell. It's one of the only scumtells I can recognize quickly, so that's why I keep it in my head.

4. Sheesh! Okay, I'm not used to games where 15 pages are made within three days, why does everyone keep rubbing it in? Also, all I wanted to do was get some more opinions in here. Also, I didn't want anyone to start lurking, nor did I say anyone was. I just said that they were on the edge of lurking. And look what happened next! The people on the list started posting!

Is this the longest post I've ever posted on this site?... Maybe... Maybe not....

[ckool5000]

2) Your "lol" scumtell situation looks like it would be more in the RVS, as most votes after have real reasons, like "He claimed serial killer" or something. It seems a null tell at best, and at worst an attempt to justify your actions. How would it make you less likely to care about a bad vote?

4) Meh. Not posting one day after the game starts isn't a scumtell/bad thing. It almost always takes me 1+ days to even notice my game has started. Again, null tell or justification.

2. Because, it just pychologically does so. Don't ask me how.

4. Did I say it was a scumtell? No.

[ckool5000]

2. Plus it was something I've always wanted to say in a mafia game.

[ckool5000]

What can I say? I'm only telling the truth.

[ckool5000]

Be careful when you say I'm telling the truth ckool, some people take it as a major scum tell.

What else can I say? "I really mean it"?

[ckool5000]

Yep. That confirms it. I should just keep my mouth shut.

[ckool5000]

But... What if I don't have anything worthwhile to say?

[ckool5000]

That doesn't mean you shouldn't give up scumhunting.

Yep. That confirms it. I should just keep my mouth shut.

Your just going to stop posting because two people suspect you? Sounding to me like caught scum.

1. Nope.

2. Sounds to me like you're scum jumping on an easy opportunity.

[ckool5000]

Sorry about my absense, guys. Real life came in and booted the game down the list of priorities... Luckily, it wasn't too big of a deal, so I'm back... Let's see here...

[ckool5000]

Whoa, whoa, whoa guys! Did I ever say I was going to stop scumhunting? Nope. This is the biggest case of strawman I've seen out of all my read-throughs of games. I only said I should probably stop saying things that'll make me want to foot in my mouth, which I was doing for quite a while there, and you guys turned it into me cracking under pressure (which I kinda was, I admit) and giving up scumhunting, which I am NOT doing.

[ckool5000]

*to put my foot in my mouth

[ckool5000]

1. No, I said I should keep my mouth shut.

2. Yes, I said that.

[ckool5000]

Ckool

, the way you are playing this game, with which of the two previous games of yours can you see the most similarities and why?

Well, I'd say the first game, because I was trying to... trying to... how did lowell say it?... Oh, yeah, trying too hard to be loved by all, and because I kept saying things that later made me want to open mouth, insert foot.

But in the second game, I was more cautious because of what happened in the first...

But yeah, I'd have to say the first.

[ckool5000]

Like what Faraday said, "Like you played in our previous game, but more experienced."

[ckool5000]

You keep playing the "I'm a noob" card on us and hoping we'll just assume your a newbish townie.

Um... What?!?! How am I playing the "I'm a noob" card?!?! That can't really even be considered a card, can it? I mean, that just makes people more wanting to lynch you, right? All that I saw in that post was you thinking that I was trying to defend myself where I wasn't, and that, in the end, you thought I was doing so many noobish things that I was playing the "I'm a noob" card. Why should I have to defend myself? I've said all I had to say at the time, and I've only got one vote on me anyhow...

Seriously...

[ckool5000]

and you guys turned it into

me cracking under pressure (which I kinda was, I admit)

"me cracking under pressure" bothers me ckool. If you're a townie, there shouldn't be anything for us to crack open from you. I can understand getting flustered under pressure, but you could say "I was getting frustrated by the pressure" or "annoyed" or "unsure," but writing "cracking" makes me think like you have something to hide.

Note the bolded part. They were the ones saying I was "cracking under pressure". I am indeed "getting frustrated by the pressure", and I was in my first game too, but to a lesser degree (as far as I can remember). I also said I

kinda

was, meaning... well... you get my point...

In fact, it seems like you're using the scum tactic of selective quoting... Or maybe it's just me.

[ckool5000]

@ckool

Is post 493 all you have to say towards post 489?

Um... I guess... Oh wait, here's something. Somebody asked why I wasn't "rejoicing about a lucky vig", and now somebody is saying I committed a scum-tell doing so!

[ckool5000]

Kise, you're starting to seem pretty scummy to me.

[ckool5000]

Though ckool, what''s your reason for not responding to the other stuff that was brought up in post 489 (and 494 for that matter)?

(For 494) I dunno... I guess I got tired of answering practically the same statements that different people say... or something... Plus, there wasn't any actual question towards me, and since I had already done plenty of responding to similar things... Well... You get the point.... Or maybe I just missed it... Who knows?...

(For 489) I was adressing the whole post during the second part of my response.

[ckool5000]

You know what amazes me? ZazieR has been posting a majority of the posts on the last few pages, and she hasn't gotten a single fos or anything... Of course, there's not much about her posts that could really seem suspicious... For a second, I thought I was on a roll with my thought process, but I'm not even really sure what I'm saying now...

I'm starting to think less and less that Kublai is town. I still have my vote on him, but there's something that bothers me about it: Wouldn't a scum, if they were faking a miller, say that, yes, they were a death miller, if somebody asks? Of course, that may seem scummy in some people's eyes, so that would make them not really want to do that, but wouldn't it be in their best interest? So that way, nobody could be 100% sure if they were town or scum? Now look at Kublai. He doesn't really know, but thinks it's an ordinary miller role....

I'm starting to confuse myself. The point is, I'm starting to suspect Kublai a little lesser, but I still have my vote on him.

[ckool5000]

Oh, I screwed up the first part. I meant less and less that Kublai is

scum

.

What I was saying was

1. I find it odd how nobody's thinking that any of your posts are scummy, even though you have so many in such a short timespan (because whenever I post a lot, I get foses at least).

2. I'm thinking that if Kublai is scum, he would've gone with death miller when someone asked... But I can't really be 100% sure of it, which is why my vote is still on him.

[ckool5000]

Ah.... That actually makes sense...

[ckool5000]

Why not rofl?

[ckool5000]

Huh?

[ckool5000]

general malaise and apathy i would say

Ahem, can someone answer my question from earlier?... In words I can understand?

[ckool5000]

Okay, so rofl said we shouldn't lynch Kublai because of general "mental problems" and "lack of interest"....

That... doesn't make that much sense...

[ckool5000]

@ckool - Do you think it was not best for Khan to claim miller early in the game if he really was miller? What would you have done if you were miller?

*shrugs* I dunno. If I was miller, I would've looked up what to do, and since that's apparently claim early... well... yeah....

I mean, if Khan was town-ish, cops wouldn't really investigate him, but he's acting pretty scummy in some people's eyes... But they probably got interested at looking closer at his posts

because

he claimed, so I can't be too sure of anything right now...

Why are you asking me this question?

[ckool5000]

I just found something in a thread from another old game. Somebody (a mafia) was posting their mafia talk in the night and what was going through their heads during the day, and one of the things going through their head was:
"Don't pull a Kublai Khan and freak out about the fact that you're confirmed scum in the eyes of two players"

Erm... Don't some of you think for certain that he's scum?... And has he freaked out yet?.....

[ckool5000]

Wow VP. I've never really thought of MafiaMann as that suspicious until now...

FoS: MafiaMann

[ckool5000]

Well, actually, there's one thing I disagree on VP:

Another good point against MM comes in 509:

I said it was pressure because i was worried people would take it the wrong way and say I was being too aggressive.

As Zazie pointed out, this is ridiculous. You shouldn't be worried about people taking it the wrong way or seeing you as scummy UNLESS YOU'RE SCUM.

But don't townies, just like how you said how townies can get frustrated too, also want to avoid being lynched? Unless it brings the town a lot of info or they're a hated townie or something, townies want to not look scummy, so that way people can focus on the people who's actually the probable scum. Townies, just like the mafia, don't really like when people take things the wrong way... In fact, it sort of seems like you're trying to make MM's statement seem weaker than it was!... or something...

But, yeah, whatever. You had lots of good points, and now that I think of it, I'm not 100% sure why I'm still voting for Kublai...

[ckool5000]

You suspected me?

[ckool5000]

Hey guys, I'm on vacation, so I won't be as active as I havce been earlier.

[ckool5000]

Since I'm limited on time right now, I'm going to answer two of the three major questions asked me.

Here is why you should be voting for Mastin:
-He was fishing for flavor
-He is spamming the thread so you do not take time to read his posts
-He repeatedly asserts how pro-town he is and rather than defending he claims that most scumtells are null against him
-He has refused more than once to summarize any points against JR
-He has misrepped many many people in this thread
-He's OMGUSing anyone who disagrees with him

Could the following people please explain whether or not you think Mastin is town based on the above points (not necessary if you simply vote):

Faraday, MafiaMann, roflcopter, Lowell, ZazieR, Empking's Alt, ckool5000, Namttam, Kise, reveillark, Mufasa, fallen angel, Wickedestjr, Achilles, curiouskarmadog, dvdkid13, Redith, Hayker.

That is all.

Hmmm.... 3-6 is the most scummiest in my eyes about him... So I think he's not exactly the biggest help for the town... And he is somewhat scummy... So... yeah.

Kublai Khan said: "ckool5000 (641) wrote:
I mean, if Khan was town-ish, cops wouldn't really investigate him, but he's acting pretty scummy in some people's eyes... But they probably got interested at looking closer at his posts because he claimed, so I can't be too sure of anything right now...

You're currently voting for me, ckool5000. Are you only voting for me because I'm scummy in other people's eyes?"

Er, no. That post that you quote is actually my thought process about the whole miller thing, which is one of the reasons why I vote for him.

I'm seriously considering changing my vote to Mastin or MafiaMann (what's up with M's and S's arouind these forums?), but if you need anymore reasons to vote for Kublai, just look at Zaz's posts.

[ckool5000]

And I just now realize that the person I was adressing last was Kublai himself.

[ckool5000]

Sorry Mastin, but you and vp are making this game a headache. Plus, to me, vp wins the debate.

unvote
vote: Mastin

[ckool5000]

unvote

I believe Mastin to some extent.

(P.S. I got back, and now it's late at night. I'll get some good sleep and see if I can re-read with a clear head.)

[ckool5000]

Hmmm... I'm not sure if I want to vote for Kublai, VP, or MafiaMann...

[ckool5000]

...Unlike me, of course.

in a sentence or two, I want to hear why you are considering Kub, , VP, or MM....I also want to hear why you believe Mastin's claim and are completely not considering that it is a pre thought out fake claim.

Kublai- For reasons already stated before, thank you.

VP- Something just doesn't seem right about his posts to Mastin, and it seems like he's purposefully leaving out important info... Like the one's that Mastin bolds and increases in size.

MM- Um... To be honest I don't know. For some reason there's a bandwagon... And it all sounded like he was scummy...

Are you saying that you don't think that these three are scummy at all? Please explain.

Mastin- Meh. I believe his claim to some extent, but am willing to lynch him. It does seem like at least a somewhat realistic claim though...

Your post sounded kind of... hostile, karmadog...

[ckool5000]

Unvote, Vote Mufasa

Also, I like how all of the main suspects are scummy to ckool and yet he still can't muster a vote. Certainly not feeling out what is popular.

Can you explain your vote?

[ckool5000]

@ckool--read the thread and you should be able to very easily understand why I voted for Mufasa.

Oh cheese! I've read through a little more closely and that's probably the only scummy behavior I can 100% think of as scummy!

Vote: Mufasa

[ckool5000]

...Unlike me, of course.

in a sentence or two,

I want to hear

why you are considering Kub, , VP, or MM....

I also want to hear why you believe Mastin's claim and are completely not considering that it is a pre thought out fake claim.

Kublai- For reasons already stated before, thank you.

VP- Something just doesn't seem right about his posts to Mastin, and it seems like he's purposefully leaving out important info... Like the one's that Mastin bolds and increases in size.

MM- Um... To be honest I don't know. For some reason there's a bandwagon... And it all sounded like he was scummy...

Are you saying that you don't think that these three are scummy at all? Please explain.

Mastin- Meh. I believe his claim to some extent, but am willing to lynch him. It does seem like at least a somewhat realistic claim though...

Your post sounded kind of... hostile, karmadog...

if anyone has played with me..they know I hate the term "to be honest"....up until recently I thought it was a scum tell....rofl I guess proved me wrong months ago...

at any rate, what part of my question seemed hostile? Also, so what?

I bolded the parts that seemed hostile.

I guess it seems to me that you're scum trying to take control of at least an aspect or two of discussion.

[ckool5000]

Some reads from the first 6 pages:

ckool5000-scum

fallen angel-slight scum
Faraday-town
Hayker-town

Johnny Rotten

VP Baltar-town
Kublai Khan-town
MafiaMann-town
roflcopter-scum

Please say that that's only the first six pages.

[ckool5000]

Some reads from the first 6 pages:

ckool5000-scum

fallen angel-slight scum
Faraday-town
Hayker-town

Johnny Rotten

VP Baltar-town
Kublai Khan-town
MafiaMann-town
roflcopter-scum

Please say that that's only the first six pages.

10 pages now and those reads pretty much stand.

27 more to go. .

[ckool5000]

Point 3 about Rotten is very:

LOL!!!!!!!!!

I don't get it.

[ckool5000]

Point 3 about Rotten is very:

LOL!!!!!!!!!

I don't get it.

It's Farfetch'd. She's saying point 3 is farfetched and using images to do it.

Oh! Now I get it!

[ckool5000]

He pleads that he is just making himself look scummy when he talks.

That makes zero sense.

[ckool5000]

For some reason

everybody

looks scummy in my eyes except for Faraday and molestargazer. I've learned my lesson about Faraday, since I kept repeated that I thought he was town in my first game even though he was scum. molestargazer doesn't look scummy because, well, he just replaced in.

[ckool5000]

Ckool isn't that a slight contradiction?

Huh?

[ckool5000]

Yeah Faraday... But your posts in general seem so town, that it's hard to find you scummy... If that's not redundant..... I guess what it really is is that there's nothing in your posts that can be considered scummy, as far as I can tell.... Hmm.... Does that make you scummy?

Whoa, MafiaMann's at L-1?... To hammer or not to hammer, that is the question.... 3 Days and seven hours left... If nothing is done before that deadline clock hits two and zero, then I'm-a-gonna-hammah!

[ckool5000]

Yeah Faraday... But your posts in general seem so town, that it's hard to find you scummy... If that's not redundant..... I guess what it really is is that there's nothing in your posts that can be considered scummy, as far as I can tell.... Hmm.... Does that make you scummy?

Is his play different from before?

He's posting a little less and his posts have less meat to them, but he's pretty much the same.

[ckool5000]

They all have something that makes me suspicious... You on the other hand, don't.

[ckool5000]

*suspicious of them.

[ckool5000]

@Wicked-...Um...sure...

Oh cheese! I've read through a little more closely and that's probably the only scummy behavior I can 100% think of as scummy!

Vote: Mufasa

"Oh, god! It's an easy vote to get away with switching to!"
Could you please explain in a little more depth why you think it's

100%

scummy and why you didn't notice it straightaway if it's so bad?

I didn't notice it straight away, because, well... I didn't notice it or really think much about it when he said it... Maybe it's because I was on vacation and could only use a laptop five minutes at a time...

It was 100% because.......well...... because it's pretty much the only thing so far in any of my games that I could 100% say, "yep, that's scummy."

[ckool5000]

We've got two days and twenty-two minutes left. MafiaMann really needs to start talking, so I'm adding some pressure.

unvote. Vote: MafiaMann

[ckool5000]

Hayker just placed the



vote!

[ckool5000]

Whoa..... This game has gone fast. I'll try to catch up....

[ckool5000]

Augh! I'm so confused!... I have no idea what to say to this.... Why are you guys voting me? I'm having a lot of trouble understanding what you all are saying....

And I've been extremely busy in the past few days, alright?...

[ckool5000]

...I'm seriously crying right now...

I have no idea what arguements to answer, since none of them make a lick of sense to me.

[ckool5000]

A claim? You want a claim? Here it is:

(Serious) Claim: The Vigilante that killed Konowa Night 0.

I've got a breadcrumb too! Remember when I was arguing with... with... whoever it was on day 1, and I kept saying that I was positive that a vig killed Konowa? That's because

I

was the one who did it!

That should also explain why I was so happy that the Mafia Doctor was killed.

Response to post 1203 in a moment...

[ckool5000]

Oh, yeah, and if I survive this day, I'm still not sure who to kill the next night, so could somebody suggest someone? Thanks.

[ckool5000]

Mufasa. It says "Annihilated" when it's me.

Also, did anyone else notice that Mastin nailed at least one scum on the first post of the game.

[ckool5000]

I explained this in the, as called by VP Balter, "playful banter with Zaz". Konowa hadn't played a single game of mafia on the site when he signed up. I figured that he'd be a liability to the town, and it would probably help the mod out.

[ckool5000]

Could you go through your thought processes for why you killed Mufasa? And why are you accepting ideas from people in general about tonight, aren't you worried that scum will guide you in the wrong direction?

Thought process:

1. Should I kill Mastin?
2. Maybe later.
3. Let's see, who seems scummy....
4. Mufasa seems scummy...
5. Should I kill SerialClergyman? (seriously, I was thinking of it)
6. Nah.
7. Definitely Zaz. I should definitely kill him...
8. Okay, he's not that scummy.
9. roflcopter? Why are people even voting for him?
10. VP....
11. Kmd!... No, wait... That'll make me look like scum...
12. empking's alt isn't helping much at all... but then again he's not scummy.
13. Mufasa's not helping much, and he does seem scummy.
14. I shall tazer Mufasa.

I'm not 100% sure that that was my thought process, but it probably went like that.

@VP Post 117 on page 5 is when I started arguing about who killed Konowa.

[ckool5000]

Lol. The two posts above this one are hilarious!

[ckool5000]

er, 1253 and 1252

[ckool5000]

The thing with me asking people for suggestions, it's like a second lynch, and since a lynch is the town's most powerful weapons...

[ckool5000]

I just now realized that I'm probably going to get killed without the help of a doctor...

[ckool5000]

Yeah, but then the mafia could just kill one of us.

[ckool5000]

...Okay.

*SCM's comment ignored*

[ckool5000]

vote: Mastin

Um.... It seems like the correct thing to do.

[ckool5000]

SerialClergyman is town. Bad idea, but he's town.

Why's that?

[ckool5000]

@Hayker- What's not to understand? If there's not a town-aligned doctor, then I'm dead meat.

@SerialClergyMan- Excellent point!... But if there's no annihaleted kill, then everyone will know that roflcopter is part of the... mafia...

Oh cheese. wifom...... I hate it when that happens. You think you're on a logic roll... then wifom pops in.

[ckool5000]

Er.... Wifom confuses people... a lot... and it means nobody really can know much of anything... and it's a scum tactic... meaning that if you think that's nothing wrong with it... then... you're.... scum...

[ckool5000]

You know, that actually makes perfect sense, especially for my role...

Since I've said all this, will I really kill whoever rofl says I should when Mastin turns up as whatever? Nobody knows! Oooooh....

No seriously, as far as talking during the day about upcoming night actions, WIFOM is good, since it confuses the mafia...

But talking about a kill that might or might not have been purposefully made by the mafia to cause confusion... That's bad wifom.

[ckool5000]

Happy scumday Xyl!

[ckool5000]

@Hayker

@Hayker- What's not to understand? If there's not a town-aligned doctor, then I'm dead meat.

[ckool5000]

I find Mastin, Empking's Alt, Hayker, and Kublai Kahn scummy, in that order.

[ckool5000]

Vote: KK

Care to give a reason?

[ckool5000]

And if Mastin's not scum... *eyes VP but then quickly turns away*

[ckool5000]

I was hoping you'd say something like that. If you said that you were "absolutely sure" or "knew" that Mastin was scum.... Wouldn't that be a slight scum-tell?

But you didn't say either of those, so let me get to the real point of this post...

...which I've apparently already forgotten.

[ckool5000]

Oh, wait, now I remember! I'm going to do some mathematical stuff with this thread, just in case the town needs some info about a certain topic...

[ckool5000]

I have to take a shower, but here's half of the list. It was a tedious process to do all this. For easier looking at, people 3.01-4% are in italics, 2.01-3% are in bold, and <2% are bold and underlined.

(As in, the more of a lurker they are, the more stuff are put on their name)


Total posts as of post 1317: 1317 (not including post 0)

Achilles

- 22 posts= 1.67% of all posts in this thread

BloodCovenant/Lowell

- 3/20- 23 posts= 1.75% of all posts in this thread

cateraction/curiouskarmadog

- 1/35- 36 posts= 2.73% of all posts in this thread
ckool5000- 117 posts= 8.88% of all posts in this thread
dvdkid/kmd- 3/66- 69 posts= 5.24% of all posts in this thread

Empking's Alt

- 18 posts= 1.37% of all posts in this thread
fallen angel/xyl- 45/33- 78 posts= 5.92% of all posts in this thread

Faraday

- 42 posts= 3.19% of all posts in this thread

Hayker

- 46 posts= 3.49% of all posts in this thread
Johnny Rotten/VP Balter- 12/102- 114 posts= 8.66% of all posts in this thread

Kublai Khan

- 39 posts= 2.96% of all posts in this thread
Mastin- 72 (over half of them are mastin-sized) posts= 5.47% of all posts in this thread.

[ckool5000]

Also, did anyone else notice that when VP Balter came in for Johnny Rotten's place, there was hardly any discussion about whatever Johnny did that made him so scummy?....

[ckool5000]

A claim? You want a claim? Here it is:

(Serious) Claim: The Vigilante that killed Konowa Night 0.

Damnit, ckool5000.. You're just so... Well, so damn earnest that I actually believe you.

What does "earnest" mean?