Mafia 95 - Quick & Dirty - Game Over!

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First post!

This is gonna be awesome!!

Vote consoM

Obvalt.


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ALTCLAIM NOW OR DIE!

What are you on about?

I hope you're not going to share every little LOL that comes to your mind, are you...?

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Btw kise-Phoebus scum buddies possibility here.

Excuse me?


Lamont,
We've established he's an alt. Yay.

Consonant M,
If you're going to play as an alt, not going to out your main and not going to mention your experience, stop being coy, eh?
What was that barb at Papa Zito?

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I was going to vote for Blood Covenant after his sudden vote on Kise, from holding the phone to voting in two posts.

However, I'm going to join him.

vote: Kise

A soft claim

Then refusal to claim.

Then claiming even numbered action.
In the same post, second para hinted at investigation.

In the midst of all this, the attempt at belligerent indifference.

I also don't like cateraction's deflection.

cateraction dislikes "Kise claim" in his very first post but wants to hang back since it's L-2

Next post he's concerned about the speed of the bandwagon and now wants to talk until deadline.

@Kise: You used the word plain. I have a hard time believing you didn't think about the implications of using that word. You tried to claim vanilla, but got caught and now you're trying to backtrack. Are you claiming one of those roles you suggested?

Looking at how the situation developed and looking at all posts only by cateraction, this sounds almost like coaching a fellow player towards attempting to salvage a bad situation.

For pushing for the role claim so quickly. It was a stupid move to try and hint at being plain, but I'm not willing to lynch a claimed cop without a counter claim and I don't want someone to come out just to counter claim on day one.

Now trying to shift focus to Blood Covenant.
As I said, I was considering this the moment I read BC's post.
Yet, because Kise's terrible phrasing in his actual claim and cateraction's immediate shift, I see some sort of tag teaming going on here and am fine with my vote.

If Kise flips scum, I will be voting cateraction tomorrow.

Anyone else not like BC looking for a claim so quickly? I feel like he was rushing the lynch. We do have a week still.

Latest post - trying to drum up support for their cause. Reiterating the deadline's distance - trying to draw things out.

I think I'm good to go with this one.

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A 3-post wonder... Well, Kise, it's quality that counts, not quantity.

It explains your case so well. If you'd only taken it easy after saying it was a joke vote.
That's what I saw it as, since even I know we've never played together before (ongoing games excepted).

However, your breadcrumbing + claiming (shabbily) + flipping out over being voted...
I'm pretty happy with my vote.

I'm V/LA till Saturday. I will do my best to make my quota each day if we don't go to night in that time. If we do, saves me work

In any case, I'm happy with my vote.

sam.samhorn... dear me...
Talking about trios...

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If you must shorten my name, please use Phoebz or Pheebz.

I find it easier to track than Phoe - which is just a funny sound.

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Based on the assumptions that Pap Zito used his one shot vig on night one, that there are no more than two one-shot vigs in the game and that there is only one scum group, Papa Zito a) killed BC and b) was the skum NK. We should be focusing our attention on Papa Zito's posts to be looking for a reason why he was the target.

Wait, what?

What are the bases for these assumptions?

I think I will have to re-read a bit today.

Kise played so archetypically that it didn't seem possible he'd town...

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Re-reading tomorrow.
Still around.

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Phoebus is suddenly flooded with RL ridiculousness.

Part of it goes away tomorrow. Part of it resolves itself tomorrow due to some other reason.

I will slack off at work tomorrow and read this.

For now, I'm not sure I like the inHim wagon so much...
Further, his lack of concern (either way) is slightly disturbing.

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OK.

So I went back and reread.

I'm ready to vote inHim.

Like I mentioned, his unconcern about the wagon was disturbing.
He was quite blasé about being at L-1, took his time to claim.

Next, his claim is again unverifiable. Zito is dead.
There have been multiple times in the past when I, as scum, have fingered a dead role for some sort of power claim.

I don't buy it.

There are two reasons why this isn't a hammer right away.

I realise there is some more time left to go in this day.

inHim also hasn't really defended himself at all. Are you going to do it?

I will hold off for now.
However, unless something monumental happens, I see myself voting in the next day or so.

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Ugh.

From personal experience, I'd have to believe two role blockers...
It may be useless meta but as a mod, i like(d) symmetry...

However, with pairs of roles, I'd also go with two teams of scum.
For 14, two teams of two seems too little. Too easy to crosskill. Too hard to win.
Two teams of three seems unfair for the town.

In which case, the scenario xRECKONERx suggests seems more plausible.

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I think the fact that OGML likes to include duplicate power roles is relevant here. But my primary motivation was to try to counter the symmetrical setup speculation.

It's not helpful, particularly not this early in the game.

Elaborate.
Please.

vote: Xylthixlm

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You're claiming meta because it's "unlikely" to happen.

I'm claiming meta based on my old experiences and my own actions as mod.

I don't wish to lynch a claimed pair yet, especially with the remaining one shots/specific night roles revealed.

I get the feeling you're trying to stall discussion Xyl - any speculation after N1 - whether correct or not - is helpful.
Why stamp it out?

And yes cateraction, that's exactly why I'm voting him.

I'm also uncomfortable with the way I'm "being told" what to do - i.e. voting reckoner

Would you like to persuade me to change my mind?
Rather than tell me to?

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Xyl -

I'm not sure what you mean "claiming meta".

By claiming meta, I meant we were making our claims based on a meta analysis of the mod.
You were saying something to the effect of: OGML is known for paired roles but what if this is the one time he does NOT do it, right?

I was saying: As a mod, I preferred symmetry to lop-sided setups. Therefore, the idea of a multile Vig/RB seems more probable to me.

Do you think that having the same role claim makes either of them less likely to be scum?

In a word, given this situation and how I'm reading it: Yes.

I've gotten the impression that random roles are unusual here. And a 50% RB is still a bastard role for the same reason a 0% RB is.

By here, you mean Mafiascum.net? Heaven knows what is usual and unusual on this site has gone through a sea change since I last played.
However, some things would hold faster than others I think i.e. symmetry over % roles.

InHim -

@ SKs, hmm what?

sam -

Some more clarification on what you see there might be helpful.
Otherwise this comes out of your backside.

I ignored Consonant M - he just seems to like to talk through his hat and just say a lot without saying much.

I dunno.


At this time, thoughts on other players:

For now, xReckonerx and inHimshallibe get the benefit of the doubt.

ConsonantM - I confess I'm ignoring until he seems to become more helpful.
His long posts, many numbers and conveniently putting OR in between those numbers is annoying.

sam.samhorn makes me wonder what he's thinking.
His current vote on me has no basis that I can see.

lazarusmoth - his lack of content is a flag. Yet his contributions have been so sporadic that he may be inactive. Right now, I'd concentrate on the people who may actually do something.
If he's inactive and scum, at this time that's fine for now.

DizzyIzzyB13 - seems to have settled down to watch after using up her one shot. This makes me a little uneasy but I'm happy to wait and watch for now.

cateraction and Rhinox - not much opinion on them somehow...

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xRECKONERx

I just read your posts all by themselves.

You went from claiming roleblocker, to town-aligned role blocker and are now using the term - Town Roleblocker once the mod revealed it.

There are two occasions where you mentioned a scum and mafia-aligned roleblocker.
You have also been on record saying that the idea of two town role blockers seems ludicrous and that if there was one town, then the other would be evil.

Well, we have a town role blocker. Where does that leave you?

I've been reflecting on this whole paired role business.
We've had an ODD NIGHT cop. So his pair should be an EVEN NIGHT cop.

However, we did not have an odd/even night roleblocker. We just had a TOWN roleblocker.

Dizzy is AWOL - so we cannot talk to her more about her supposed vig-ability.

Yet, two one-shot vigilantes seem more probable than two full town role blockers.

In any case, Izzy is away, so she can't be effective scum, even if she IS scum.

Which leaves you and Xylth -

Yesterday, you claim you blocked me.
Well, that's moot because I don't do anything at night.

We have two kills.

The first night we had three kills. With Izzy claiming one of them and also claiming one-shot vig - let's say two are scum kills.

We have two kills again tonight.

You said you found Xylth scummy but did not block him because you wanted to go after an SK?

What roleblocker would randomly switch/NOT TARGET his suspect multiple times (well, at least twice) to ascertain his results?

Please tell me how it makes more sense to target a suspected SK over a suspected Mafia?
One works alone, the other in a group.
If you successfully block one, you can analyze his interactions to glean info.
The other... not so much.

vote:xRECKONERx

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I fail to be convinced.

did you ever say whom you targeted night one?

having me as a target is far too convenient for last night.

it makes no sense that you would target a suspected SK, instead of a suspected mafia.
makes even less of it when it could've been the remaining cop you were targeting.

no. this is not a claim.

i already said i don't do anything.

even without bayes, mathematically, it's proved it wasn't me.

as far as "MAFIA HAVE TEAMMATES TO KILL FOR THEM" goes - killers get no notification of being blocked. If I had a partner whose kill went through one night, I'd definitely have him go again the next night.
I wouldn't keep switching it around.

So tell me how a roleblocker switching around with suspicions is helpful?

Your - SK acts alone = definite block idea is unimpressive.

Solely for the fact that he DOES work alone and is harder to pick up on.

You called me scummy - on what basis?
Back it up with quotes etc.

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unvote: xRECKONERx ; vote: cateraction

Let's pick a wagon? That's your reason?

oh my god you suck

i'd vote for sam.sheep if i had two votes.