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Famous tajo scumlist alert. (now with comments to compensate my absence in the first 10 pages.
Prob town
ThAdmiral - nice entrance at the game. decent analysis of the game. OGB defender. Votes Mufasa. Question : whats the difference between ogb and mufasa? So far, prob town.
iamausername - as usual, iaun is solid. 12 is good posting. 93 is a good catch even though the joat is an example in page 1. We need more of his analysys.
Korts - like his agressive stance regarding seraphim. Shows efforts of scumhunting. So far, some of his thoughts are polemic that are a town tell in my book.
charter - obv town. nice agressive stance regarding all the situation of the game. Again, polemic thougts.
inHimshallibe - i get a "i vote whoever i feel like to" vibe from his posts. Slightly townie here. Would be good to hear more from him.
Mixologist - relaxed tone and some agression makes me think that this guy is prob town.
SpyreX - I somehow like his analysis of the OGB-Mufasa situation. Do you think that OGB is scum? In probabilites, how much?Mixo to alvinz wrote:So has everyone else. What are your thoughts on the rest of the game outside of those three?
Neutral
Caboose - Somehow defensive of OGB and Mufasa. I dont get his alvinz hate. Really. However, not too bad as many seem to imply.
Mufasa - ok, we know this guy has lied before as town and he is a useless prick. The point that his claim doesnt make sense (two roleblocking abilities?) really doesnt mean anything here since we know he has lied before as town. The point is that if he is scum using this mascarade to win the game. Really torn here, leaning for the option of let this guy live and let scum to take care of him, specially when he claims to have some powerful abilites.
skitzer - weak logic.
WTF? Can you clarify what you wanted to say here? But oOverall I get a weak logic townie read here.skitzer wrote:If Mufasa isn't really a Jack-Of-All-Trades and is scum, then scum won't kill him, obviously. We should lynch Mufasa.
ekiM - good analyzer. Im a little bit biased to be extra careful with him since he just came up scum in a game where I pegeed him as obv town. 230 is good posting. But I dont understand his position regarding Mufasa. Clarify.
roflcopter - started good but I find interesting his defense of Mufasa when I expected him to be over him. Would rolftown defend Mufasa as much as he did? Hyperagressive as usual.
alvinz95 - crap poster. OGB pusher. What do you think of Mufasa? Why did you prefer OGB than the others? . Alvinz-Caboose realtionship is noted.
Seraphim - seems more agressive and active than usual. I get a "this is why I lurk" townie read from his posts but Im not too sure yet. Gut tells me this guy is town but I hate this:
Mufasa is scum or the people wagoning him are scum? Why do you think rolf is town?Seraph wrote:Unvote Don't like the speed of this wagon at all. Mufasa is definitely still my #1 suspect but pressuring him with votes isn't going to do any good.
X - seems a good analyzer. I dont like this:
Do you think Mufasa is town or not?x wrote:Okay, this is getting less and less believable. This was a strategy for reactions? I'm pretty sure that you've hurt the Town more than hurt it, if you indeed are Town. So if this was your ingenious master plan, what have you learned? Unvote: OGB, Vote: Mufasa.
OozingGolfBall - I dont get the hate OGB is getting for asking to guess his alt. Damn, it was random stage. I can buy some of the agressive players here will be over him, though. This lynch is not as optymal as you imply to be. How is he different than other "quality" posters? Ill analyse his wagon later.
tubby216 - bleh, two posts with weak content. Usual self. Not much to analyze. One question, how is OGB different than Mufasa? More tubby content, plz.
darkdude - again a poster with weak content. Havent played with him before. Thinks OGB and Mufasa are both town. Who is scum then? More content, plz.
Prob Scum
Axelrod - big pusher of the Mufasa situation. Too concentrated on him. If Mufasa flips town, (as Im leaning to believe) this guy should be interesting to look at. Please comment on everyone else or die.
HowardRoark - weak poster. His thoughts just dont make sense. His FOS and votes are terrible.HR wrote:FoS charter for throwing shit to see what sticks.
Can you explain why Seraphim is probtown?HR wrote:unvote vote Korts
For his contrived case against Seraphim.
Starbuck - dont like this guy. Agreeing with rolf, charter and mike about ogb. Then, he has a weird stance regarding Mufasa. First he is quikcly to put Mufasa in the town territory. Too much for my taste.
But then, he votes for him when the pressure starts to increase.Starbuck wrote:Onto Mufasa, I don't understand why someone would claim on Day 1. It just makes no sense.It just made him a Mafia target.
This is a good vote.Starbuck wrote:I am also in agreement on Mufasa. Something just doesn't seem right.
Vote: Mufasa
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Can you explain why? Who are "you guys"?Starbuck wrote:Unvote
Having gone back and re-read a bit, I really think you guys may be right about Mufasa.
You think he is scum for that? Anything else?skitzer wrote:You're behind, yet willing to "shamelessly bandwagon"?
Unvote, vote inHimshallibe
Waiting for this explanation.Seraphim wrote:Unvote
Vote: inHimshallibe
He's so scum, it hurts. If I had more time, I'd post more but I have to get ready to leave...later!
Which means that Seraph is prob town, neutral or prob scum?HR wrote:I didn't say probtown. I'm just saying that I've seen him twice as town and this is not any different.
WTF? You just posted that maybe "we" were right about Mufasa. Why is Admiral scum? Even more, why I am scum?Starbuck wrote:You seem really quick to jump on my bandwagon. Rather than just asking me the question below. Are you trying to protect yourself and your scum buddies populartajo and Mufasa?
Can I get a little explanation about these reads?rolf wrote:ogb
skitzer
caboose
seraphim
axelrod
x
howardroark
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Analysis of the flipped scum:
OGB:
As some have noticed, treating this game as a "guess my real account" game inrandom stageis for obvious reasons not the scumtell rolf and company wanted to show to the world. I agree he deserved the votes (good enough for random stage) and the posterior pressing that developed in posterior zero contribution to the thread and a scummy final post that sealed his fate.
The guy was scum, russian. As usual, his wagon is reliable source of information:
Pretty sure there is at least one Russian in the wagon and more even probable there is an Italian here. (considering also that two Italians are off the wagon)OozingGolfBall (12): roflcopter, SpyreX, ekiM, Mixologist, alvinz95, iamausername, tubby216, charter, Starbuck, Korts, Axelrod, Mufasa
This was to rolf. Rolf is probably not Russian.OGB wrote:I'd love to hear some reasons why I'm scum besides you pile of wifom that is your misrep of my first post.
Mufasa is not Russian.OGB wrote:Nice ad hom. Unvote; Vote: Mufasa
Too much jumpiness in your posts.
ThAdmiral:
His first post is a soft defense of OGB and Mufasa.
Im thinking that no scumpartner will fixate in this. But this is weird because ThAd was kinda doing the same thing.ThAd wrote:caboose defends mufasa. noted.
So I agree that this ThAd-Caboose relationship feels forced.Mufasa seems inexperienced.
Seraphim says something about the "tone" in which mufasa claimed which is just a very poor and completely subjective way to keep his vote on someone who may very well be a town power role.
It could be a scum claim but it would be a risky one.
darkdude is prob not Italian. No scumpartner will fixate in this.ThAd wrote:darkdude comes out of nowhere are says ogb and mufasa are town. No reasons given.
I dont like this. Prob distancing.ThAd wrote:ekim brings up the distraction argument against ogb... I was beginning to like him
Skitzer is not Italian.ThAd wrote:Skitzer makes some interesting (read: scummy) posts in which he only looks at one side of the mufasa issue, states that we will have to lynch him eventually, and perhaps subtly implies he knows he is town in 173, although I am willing to let that one off with just odd wording.
In any case Skitzer has gone up in my scum rankings.
Which makes me think that Starbuck is also not Italian.ThAd, about my Starbuck case wrote:Good pick up there. It seems she's hinting at the fact that she knows mufasa is town in that first post.
in fact unvote, vote: starbuck
Conclusions: Prob not Italians : Starbuck, Skitzer, darkdude
InhimIshallbe
This would be interesting since Inhim was very liberal with his votes.
He along Ad, fixated with Caboose early. But inhim didnt develop his suspicions on him. Again, a forced relationship.inhim wrote:vote: Caboose
I'll be back maybe tomorrow, but I'm checking in and putting my vote on the most likely scum that I see.
Mmm, I would dare to say that Seraph is also not Italian. InHim revoted him after some posts. Also this:inhim wrote:unvote
vote: Seraphim
What is there to pressure Mufasa about anyway? I don't like how you've backed off his lynch train.
If Seraph had already contacted with inHim in night 0 he would already have found a way to reduce his name.inhim wrote:First off, "inHim" will help you out on reducing all the typing.
There has to be something hidden here.inhim wrote:In other news, HowardRoark and Korts are probably the same faction.
Charter is also obv not italian.inhim to charter after an aggresive attack wrote:I've switched my vote in 5 of 5 posts, correct. But most of the time I've been in catchup mode from the rest of the day's posting. Meh, I change my mind a lot.
Along with ThAd, they fixated against skitzer but in a more agressive way. Skitzer is also obv not Italian.inhim wrote:2 FOS in a row warrant a vote. unvote vote: skitzer
Conclusions: Prob not Italians : Seraphim, skitzer, charter.
Bonus:
Analysis of the Mufasa case:
We know this guy is scummy as fuck. But lets assume for a second he is town and analyze his wagons:
Interesting wagons:
I agree with the assumption that also makes Mufasa unlikely Russian and Italian. I asked how many mafia groups would be in this game. Since the answer is 2 (can i trust skitzer? yes I can) it makes Mufasa either third party or, more prob and by a wide margin, town.Mufasa (7): charter, Starbuck, skitzer, OozingGolfBall, X, ThAdmiral, inHimshallibewiki wrote:A normal game should have at least one Mafia faction, and no more than two.
I would bet there is at least one scum in this group.Mufasa (5): charter, iamausername, Mixologist, Starbuck, skitzerCall me Tajo.
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Conclusion :
I dont think Seraphim is as optymal as I thought before. Some arguments point him to being likely Italian but inhim, flipped Italian, attacked him in a way that doesnt seem like bussing (twice). Im really interested in pressing someone like Caboose which is posting in mishmash and not here.
Unvote Vote : Caboose.
Im also up for lynching Starbuck but I dont think he is Italian. He is either Russian(more likely) or third party.Call me Tajo.
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So read the thread or GTFO YOU.tajo wrote: I agree with the assumption that also makes Mufasa unlikely Russian and Italian. I asked how many mafia groups would be in this game. Since the answer is 2 (can i trust skitzer? yes I can) it makes Mufasa either third party or, more prob and by a wide margin, town.Call me Tajo.
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Rereading some alvinz stuff I came up with this interesting quote:
Obv hard bussing with some WIFOM salsa.alvinz95 wrote:This town is full of fucking idiots who will follow anyone. Hell I bet someone will claim jester right now and everyone will believe him/her. If ANY town follows Axelrod's advice, then they are pretty much fucked as that you ALWAYS NEED TO TAKE THE BEST OPTION-THERE IS NEVER ROOM FOR ERROR. I clearly was not the best option available and the town blew it. NONE OF YOU EVEN ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS BEFORE YOUR HAMMER, THIS IS HOW FAIL THE WAGON IS.HowardRoark, you just majorly screwed yourself over by saying that I was BUDDYING WITH YOU. Good job winning dammit.I feel sorry for you real scum hunters that use actual evidence rather than sketchy role information. Good luck controlling your town. I'm going to say there's going to be AT LEAST 3 SCUM on my wagon. There was no good reason to start a wagon on me besides Caboose's random statement that I was scum. X, good luck winning the game with that kind of playing, hammering me without everybody reading what I said.
I'm leaving mafiascum for good anyway, so farewell everyone. I'm going out with a bang. Good luck you epic fail town (excluding the actual good players), you will never win if you continue to play like that. NOW GO BWN SOME SCUM.
HowarRock isnt also the most protown person on the game, a quick check of your posts will tell you that :
Vote : HowarRock.
We are still in a healthy position. Now, basically we wait for Caboose results (we know he is a cop but I am still pondering if we should call him confirmed town) and all the nighborhoods SHOULD claim in the following posts. The masonry SHOULDNT claim.
I need to read again knowing these all results. Wait for an updated analysis tonight.Call me Tajo.
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Charter, I fail to see how having a confirmed town helps us today when its painfully obvious he will be nightkilled tonight.
Having a confirmed town when we are a reduced number is 100% more useful than today.
The mason(s) shouldnt claim.Call me Tajo.
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I see it this way.
Assuming 3 masons:
If we have bad luck and one of our masons dies today and if scum claim third mason he will obviously be counterclaimed and we have all the information both rolf and the other mason gave us before dying. It will be painfully obvious if he is telling the truth or not, knowing rolf.
Assuming 2 masons:
If we have bad luck and second mason dies today and if scum claims third mason we have all the information both rolf and the other mason gave us before dying. It will be less obvious if he is telling the truth or not, knowing rolf, but we would definitely have a way to catch him lying.
I really see little benefit with claiming today. However, if the mason(s) are intelligent enough to get to endgame or near it, then its basically gg for scum in a future massclaim scenario.
Also, about the neighbors, I think this is a pretty decent assumption:Axelrod wrote:Also, if there was anyone else in the Upper Roccisi Neighborhood I think he/she should claim it, as there's been a Russian and an Italian in that neighborhood already. It doesn't totally clear said person(s), but I think it looks pretty good.Call me Tajo.
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Dont waste time on tubby. I dont see him as scum claiming that freely when he knows he will be counterclaimed. Only a counterclaim can change my mind about him being town. But Im posting this right now so everyboidy see this:
If you are the real rolfpartner mason, CLAIM NOW. If you claim later, you will hurt the town.
Tubby, if you for some reason "forgot" that your masonry is of three players, I think TODAY is the time to say it. Dont say who he is but please tell us if there are indeed three players in your masonry. If you are only two, then confirm please.
Okay, with that said, now can we go back to lynch HowardRock?Call me Tajo.
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I dont see any reason why they shouldnt claim, specially the one that already had two mafiates on it.ekiM wrote:OK then. I'm assuming tubby is telling the truth, with the proviso that he is lying then hereallyshould be counter-claimed, unless the remaining mason is a multitasker-vigilante-cop or something.
Congrats tubby, you are playing as confirmed town! Make the most of it...
@SpyreX: From page one: "Masonry: All members are confirmed to be pro-town and share the regular town victory condition."
@all: would like more opinions on the merits of neighborhood claiming.Call me Tajo.
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I dont know. Im sucker for massclaim and Im really pondering if with the amount of dead scum and the amount of interaction between roles and the additional information that neighbors could provide, we are approaching the line where massclaim can lead us to win this game as a puzzle.Call me Tajo.
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Just an example:
This is just a piece of a puzzle that massclaim can solve if done correctly.Korts wrote:Bullshit. You can't calculate likeliness of either scenario, since you don't know the town's power roles. I have role-based information that at least one kill more was attempted N0 than went through.
But as I said, maybe today is not the optymal day. My reread will confirm or deny my theory.Call me Tajo.
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Korts is right. Im gradually coming back to my games, giving preference to the ones where I have missed +20 pages and such.
I havent read all I missed yet but darkdude is at L-1. I think a claim is in order.
Can someone point me to the case against him?
Also, why is HowardRock not dead yet? Am I the only one seeing the Howard-Alvinz forced connection?Call me Tajo.
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Blerg, this game shouldnt be too hard. We have 4 scum dead already, some prob townies and tons of interactions.
Give me some time and Ill come up with some conclusions tonight.Call me Tajo.
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Except I wasnt lurking. I was busy.Axelrod wrote:
Of everyone else, I like the lurkiest people the least - which is HowardRoark and populartajo.
What do you think of HR?Call me Tajo.
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Ive seen alvinz scum once. He was lynched early for a silly mistake. The important thing here is that he is the kind of scum that doesnt ignore his scumpartners.
"Vote:town, FOS:scumpartner" scumtell.alvinz wrote:Ha, I found the pot of gold. Despite my claim that Caboose was town because I thought he was joking, Caboose is still lingering on lynching me with little basis except that I'm not posting which is what I do in all my games... But now I see HowardRoark following Caboose's vote. It seems this is all under the plan to pick on the non-contributor which is what I do in all games and everyone knows. Caboose most likely did this to deflect attention off OozingGolfBall. Now HowardRoark follow and HowardRoark did not vote OGB either.
Scum = Caboose, HowardRoark.
Vote: Caboose
This last quote smells wrong in so many directions.alvinz wrote:HowardRoark, you just majorly screwed yourself over by saying that I was BUDDYING WITH YOU. Good job winning dammit
I dont find any reason why this guy should be alive. Anyone?Call me Tajo.
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This is pretty much what I thought when I reread darkdude this morning. I agree that lynching him today is one of the good plays for today but rushing the day when we have already some decent information in the thread doesnt make me feel good. I just have this feeling that we can win this one today.Axelrod wrote:Well, I reviewed Darkdude and he's quite literally said nothing this entire game that gives me a "town" feeling. Not every post is screaming "SCUM" either, but this far into a game, I'd expectsomethingto come across as genuine - even bad players who are scum will occasionally say townie-sounding things. But I got nothing. The most I can say for him is that some of his posts raise big WIFOM banners - i.e., would hereallysay that if he was scum....
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Axelrod, I asked for your opinions of HR.Axelrod wrote:
Anyway you can do this faster, considering we're sitting on the brink of a lynch right now?Lowell wrote:What up, happy people? Lowell is here. All will soon be revealed.
I'm impressed with the hilariously productive town we've got here so far. Not that you really need me, but at some point I'll read through and post my thoughts, making all things clear. Give me a couple of days.
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what does howard and alvinz have a history of not seeing eye to eye mean? and he has been active where?tubby216 wrote:ok well i playu basically off of gut and meta,
I know howard and alvinz have a history of not seeing eye to eye.
he has been active even through his v/la something he does as town almost exclusively ( he too complusive to let stuff just sit)
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If they had been in the town places, you would have said the same, omg he put them at townies.HR wrote:First, I need to make a correction concerning my case on populartajo. He rated both Russian members (alvinz95 and OozingGolfBall) as neutral -- a good place to rate your partners
If they had been in the scum places, you would have said the same, omg bussing.
Your case is based on my bad reads yesterday and OMGUS. You didnt even know I existed before I attacked you, right?HR wrote:Second, why no response/reaction to my case? Hoping that others will forget that I have you pegged like I had your partner alvinz95 from the beginning of that day?
When the hell did I post that iamusername, Mixo and Spyrex were prob scum?HR wrote:Third, some additions to my case by going back to your original player summary. You had iamusername, Mixologist, and SpyreX as prob scum and you have yet to have any interaction with them. You have also had no interaction with X, whom you listed as neutral. What are your thoughts on them now?
Im not the only one thinking you are prob scum. Why the hate against only me? And Im not attempting to draw people awy from darkdude. Did you miss the part where I said he is one of the good plays today?HR wrote:Fourth, other than my lack of activity and the ridiculously contrived alvinz95 linkage . . . why are you screaming for my lynch? Seeing as how a darkdude lynch has become probable, are you attempting to draw people away from him?
Do you at least accept that is weird that alvinz had an strange fiuxation with you?. Why do you think he made this attack against you?
Did you even respond to this?alvinz wrote:HowardRoark, you just majorly screwed yourself over by saying that I was BUDDYING WITH YOU. Good job winning dammitCall me Tajo.
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Still sick but I managed to make a post with some of my thougths.
Guys, Im going to make a big assumption here but I think its the most reasonable one. I doubt we are facing another Russian (I dont find the balance in 4 russians with 2 1-shot vigilantes). Im no expert in balance and such but I feel 6 scum is the right number here: 3 Italians and 3 Russians. Also, look at TDC and his love for order/perfection. I dont think he would put 4 Russians or 2 Italians.
Anyway, if you disagree withe me, then you wont disagree with the idea that its more likely that there is one more Italian than one more Russian.
So I think the focus today is to find the very likely last Italian instead of a hypotehycal Russian.
When I made my post 421 I concluded that some people couldnt be Italians.
Conclusions: Prob not Italians : Starbuck, Skitzer, darkdude
Conclusions: Prob not Italians : Seraphim, skitzer, charter.
Really when I see the list of players alive I think we are facing a very skilled scum. I get a majority of townie/neutral reads here:
05. ekiM - last post feels protown, still neutral, will have to reread him more.
09. populartajo - awesome town
10. Seraphim - prob town
12. Korts - neutral, will need to reread him more.
14. X - neutral leaning townie, will need to reread him
15. Mixologist Lowell - mixo was prob townie when he was here, i got some overall townie read from first lowell post.
17. HowardRoark - scummy. very unlikely russian but willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since big part of my case against him was his alvinz relationship
19. charter - obv town
20. SpyreX - prob town
21. Caboose - when i analysed him he came up as the most likely italian. cop claim saved his ass, is there any reason why mafia are not killing a claimed cop and going for targets like axelrod?
Also, with the assumptions I made, my suspicions of HowardRock dont fly anymore. I think the guy is scummy as fuck but really my case was mostly his relation as scum with Russian alvinz and as I explained before, I dont think we have another Russian.
Finallly, thoughts of massclaim people. I really think we are very close (if not there) to solve this game seeing it as a puzzle as another weapon for scumhunting.Call me Tajo.
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i just found out that caboose was breadcrumbing very heavily that he had a guilty result on alvinz early day 1. And by very heavily I talk about words like :
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Not a policy vote.roflcopter wrote:caboose, why would you rather policy vote/lynch alvinz than pursue what you agree is a legitimate argument in favor of voting ogb?
You'll see....Caboose wrote:
No, it's not a policy vote. It's a pressure vote. But it's failing since no one is wagoning.More alvinz wagon.Mix wrote:So it is a policy vote then? Please make up your mind.
Trust me, it'll be worth it.
me thinks a town cop would at least want to be less obvious about his guilty result even in day 1, like you know, trying to not get night killed by the mafia partners of the guilty result you have or like, you know, trying to get another result.Caboose wrote:Still keeping my vote, and encouraging more.
its even worse when you check that the most likely Italian coming from an anaysis of inhim and admiral is this same very player. Ad attacked Caboose for defending Mufasa when he did the same in the very same post. Inhim along Ad, fixated with Caboose early. But inhim didnt develop his suspicions on him. Forced relationships.
the best part is that it fits with rolf's suggestions that the italians for some reason didnt protect their godfather inhim night one. They didnt protect a heavy suspected target that night, they protected a very likely russian night kill target.
The answers : Caboose.
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facepalm.X wrote:
Because Cops usually are. That's the meta.populartajo wrote:
Why?X wrote:His (Caboose) alignment is probably town
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Why didnt you see what I was referring to before?
Can you clarify this? I dont get it.X wrote:HowardRoark could potentially be a Russian Godfather, which would fit with the whole TDC liking symmetry, but I Am discredited the possibility that HowardRoark was not linked to alvinz95.Call me Tajo.
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Im not twisting anything. I see some things that fit and share.Korts wrote:QFT. As for why he isn't dead yet, tajo, that's a pretty stupid question. Tubby was protecting him up until now. Any intention to lynch Caboose right now, especially the way you're trying to twist things in 689, is likely scum doing some damage control before it's too late.
Bleh, totally forgot about tubby claiming bodyguard protecting Caboose. Its likely he protected him last night also.
But still, and lets be clear, you think Caboose is prob town/neutral/prob scum?
Ive seen that too but its not a commom behavior. Really if you read Caboose and what he breadcrumbed is pretty obvious. What would you do, Korts, if you were a town cop with a guilty result on someone day 1?Korts wrote:He wasn't really that obvious--I've seen people with the same amount of conviction and nothing at all to back it up plenty of times.
Well, if I were nonalvinz Russian and I see Caboose heavily pushing for the lynch of my scum partner the first thing that would come to my mind is that the guy obviously has a guilty result on me.Korts wrote:Also, you explain the lack of an Italian doctor on their GF by saying that Caboose would've been a Russian target, even though he only claimed cop Day 2, and there were far more pro-town players than him around. What would've made him a prime Russian target after Day 1?
Im pretty sure that if Caboose is an Italian, this is also the first thing that inhim and admiral thought.
Finally, what do you think of massclaim?Call me Tajo.
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Guys, I agree with some voices (mike and some, i guess) that its very likely that we are facing max two scum left. My spidey senses tell me that its only one last Italian.
After some thinking, I agree that the best play is to not lynch him today. After all he is 100% a cop and you know information, etc.
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Caboose, do you usually get nked N1?Caboose wrote:
I was trying to get more results, but I wanted to breadcrumb aggressively enough to where alvinz would get lynched if I got NKed N1.Tajo wrote:me thinks a town cop would at least want to be less obvious about his guilty result even in day 1, like you know, trying to not get night killed by the mafia partners of the guilty result you have or like, you know, trying to get another result.
I'm not sorry if it didn't meet your standards.Call me Tajo.
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Korts, what do you think its more probable: another Russian or another Italian?
8 scum in a 23 players game, which include 3 unknown roles, 1 mafia doctor, 1 multitasker, 2 1-shot vigs, 1 godfather seems balanced to you?Call me Tajo.
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The explanation is that we have confirmation that he is a cop. Even if he is scum, he is a source of very easy to verify information.X wrote:
I don't follow.populartajo wrote:After some thinking, I agree that the best play is to not lynch him today. After all he is 100% a cop and you know information, etc.Call me Tajo.
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Ok, Im no expert in balancing things but all the scum we have seen so far have been power roles. 8 scum seems just too much.Korts wrote:
Without knowing all the town power roles, there's no way to judge, and you should know that. It's not unlikely at all that it is balanced.populartajo wrote:Korts, what do you think its more probable: another Russian or another Italian?
8 scum in a 23 players game, which include 3 unknown roles, 1 mafia doctor, 1 multitasker, 2 1-shot vigs, 1 godfather seems balanced to you?
Why are you so intent on forcing me to hunt Italians specifically?
About me forcing you to hunt Italians...
I just want you to realize that all the effort you are putting in hunting an hypothetical Russian could be used more optimally in hunting a very likely Italian.
The situation radicates in the aswner to this question: What do you think its more probable: another Russian or another Italian?Call me Tajo.
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Basically Im still here.
With the only difference that Im considering leaving Caboose alive for information reasons when massclaim finally reaches.populartajo wrote:Really when I see the list of players alive I think we are facing a very skilled scum. I get a majority of townie/neutral reads here:
05. ekiM - last post feels protown, still neutral, will have to reread him more.
09. populartajo - awesome town
10. Seraphim - prob town
12. Korts - neutral, will need to reread him more.
14. X - neutral leaning townie, will need to reread him
15. Mixologist Lowell - mixo was prob townie when he was here, i got some overall townie read from first lowell post.
17. HowardRoark - scummy. very unlikely russian but willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since big part of my case against him was his alvinz relationship
19. charter - obv town
20. SpyreX - prob town
21. Caboose - when i analysed him he came up as the most likely italian. cop claim saved his ass, is there any reason why mafia are not killing a claimed cop and going for targets like axelrod?
What about you, Korts?Call me Tajo.
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Which ones?Korts wrote:Hrm. I think I'll have to stop hounding for a Russian lynch. Balancewise it's not that probable, and no-one seems to agree with me that SpyreX is very much implied as a Russian.
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Name of the masonry.Lowell wrote:charter and I are mason buddies, though I cannot vouch for his towniness. Only mine.
Just thought I'd throw that out there, if anyone cares.
Why do you think he is not town?
Also, charter please confirm, deny.Call me Tajo.
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I missed some posts of the last page.
Seaside neighborhood. Can we have a transcription of what you both spoke?
Also, I think Seraph has something to give us, right?Call me Tajo.
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First, I never said I was not suspicous of Caboose.charter wrote:720's- tajo claiming he's not suspicious of Caboose but leaving his vote on there. Also, he's doing more pointless setup speculation rather than giving us who he is suspicious of now. tajo is scum. unvote, vote tajo
Second, setup speculation is never pointless since it is giving us the way to play the game. Its more probable to find a Italian than to find a Russian. Setup speculation ftw.
And finally Im not scum.
What I said regarding Caboose is that we know he is a cop. Do we know he is town? Fuck no. Lynching him today, even if the guy is scummy as fuck, its not optymal.
But yeahunvote.Call me Tajo.
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Still here.
I dont support the charter hate, even though his last vote for me is terrible, and I still think Mixo/lowell is prob town. Claim still needs some explaining, though.populartajo wrote:Basically Im still here.
With the only difference that Im considering leaving Caboose alive for information reasons when massclaim finally reaches.populartajo wrote:Really when I see the list of players alive I think we are facing a very skilled scum. I get a majority of townie/neutral reads here:
05. ekiM - last post feels protown, still neutral, will have to reread him more.
09. populartajo - awesome town
10. Seraphim - prob town
12. Korts - neutral, will need to reread him more.
14. X - neutral leaning townie, will need to reread him
15. Mixologist Lowell - mixo was prob townie when he was here, i got some overall townie read from first lowell post.
17. HowardRoark - scummy. very unlikely russian but willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since big part of my case against him was his alvinz relationship
19. charter - obv town
20. SpyreX - prob town
21. Caboose - when i analysed him he came up as the most likely italian. cop claim saved his ass, is there any reason why mafia are not killing a claimed cop and going for targets like axelrod?
What does everyone think of Korts?Call me Tajo.
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Korts, your attacks against me are spread like AIDS. Can you present a concise case against me or link me to the most relevant posts?Korts wrote:
The ones that I detail in my earlier posts. So go read them if you don't know what I mean.tajo wrote:Which ones?
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This question reeks of scum. Are you looking for possible footholds because you feel threatened?tajo wrote:What does everyone think of Korts?
Threatened by who? If you analyse my player list, theh you will realize that I have a lot of people in the prob town territory and some people (that includes you) in the neutral side. Making a case on someone I think is prob town is retarded so I thought I would start with my neutral reads.
Korts and charter, just curious, you think Im Italian/Russian or simply scum?Call me Tajo.
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Charter, dont tunnel.charter wrote:
This guy is scum.populartajo wrote:
Name of the masonry.Lowell wrote:charter and I are mason buddies, though I cannot vouch for his towniness. Only mine.
Just thought I'd throw that out there, if anyone cares.
Why do you think he is not town?
Also, charter please confirm, deny.
I think you are town so stop. Why does that post make you think I am scum?Call me Tajo.
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Why?charter wrote:
Caboose has given me more reason to think he's town than most of the other players in this game.populartajo wrote:
First, I never said I was not suspicous of Caboose.charter wrote:720's- tajo claiming he's not suspicious of Caboose but leaving his vote on there. Also, he's doing more pointless setup speculation rather than giving us who he is suspicious of now. tajo is scum. unvote, vote tajo
Second, setup speculation is never pointless since it is giving us the way to play the game. Its more probable to find a Italian than to find a Russian. Setup speculation ftw.
And finally Im not scum.
What I said regarding Caboose is that we know he is a cop. Do we know he is town? Fuck no. Lynching him today, even if the guy is scummy as fuck, its not optymal.
But yeahunvote.Call me Tajo.
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05. ekiM --> last post in Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:38 am
09. populartajo --> last post today
10. Seraphim --> last post in Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:35 am
12. Korts -- last post in Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:20 pm
14. X --> last post in Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:36 pm
15. Mixologist Lowell --> last post today
17. HowardRoark --> Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:28 pm
19. charter --> last post yesterday
20. SpyreX --> last post Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:17 pm
21. Caboose --> last post Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:02 am
Request mass prod and deadline extension.Call me Tajo.
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You know why? Because my two suspects are not optymal lynches.
HowardRock is unlikely Russian, even if he is scummy as hell. Im not looking for a unlikely Russian. Im looking for a very likely Italian.
Amazingly enough, Caboose is the one that makes more sense as an Italian. But he is a cop. Some of you think that he is obv town. I disagree but his lynch is not optymal. Tomorrow will be a good day with a fresh investigation. And massclaim. Really, we need it.Call me Tajo.
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Dude, I answered some of these attacks in the last page.
Bad reads. Its not like I didnt explain why I though that at the time.charter wrote:Tajo's first read of everyone had both ThAd and inHim as prob town.
When did you realize Alvinz was scum?charter wrote:For whatever reason, was devoid in lynching Alvinz.
I never said I was not suspicous of Caboose. Can you point me to where I said this?720's- tajo claiming he's not suspicious of Caboose but leaving his vote on there.
Second, setup speculation is never pointless since it is giving us the way to play the game. Its more probable to find a Italian than to find a Russian. Setup speculation ftw.Also, he's doing more pointless setup speculation rather than giving us who he is suspicious of now.
Korts is attacking me. What do you want me to do? Accept everything he says?733- I don't like how tajo is arguing with Korts. Korts is making a lot of sense these past few days, there isn't much to argue with him about.
Reading is tech:and the post where you question Lowell about why he thinks I'm not town, when he clearly said he did.
Charter, STOP tunneling. Im town, you are too, so stop.Lowell wrote:charter and I are mason buddies, though I cannot vouch for his towniness. Only mine.Call me Tajo.
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populartajo Alpaca Caliente
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So you dont think I am scum?Seraphim wrote:Vote: tajo
What this game needs a lynch, and then a mass-claim tomorrow. I think there's a high likelyhood of breaking this game wide open but we need a lynch today, preferably a scum one.Call me Tajo.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12894
Coming summer 2010: Tajo's Starcraft Mafia.
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populartajo Alpaca Caliente
- Alpaca Caliente
- Alpaca Caliente
- Posts: 9902
- Joined: October 16, 2007
- Location: Arequipa, Peru Profession: Scumhunter