Open 122 - Near Vanilla (Game over)

hewitt · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:34 am

/confirm.

hewitt · Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:23 pm

Ugh, I hate losing The Game.

hewitt · Post Post #40 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:44 am

Hmmm lots of people I've played with before. This should be interesting.

hewitt · Post Post #42 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:23 am

Kmd4390 wrote:
hewitt wrote:Hmmm lots of people I've played with before. This should be interesting.
No vote?

Does it matter?

hewitt · Post Post #44 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:42 am

Course not, I just don't really care to.

hewitt · Post Post #47 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:45 am

hohum wrote:
hewitt wrote:Course not, I just don't really care to.
Please explain why you feel it's necessary to completely skip a whole stage of the game. Random votes certainly help to spur conversation. Everyone does it, so not complying can certainly be construed as an anti-town thing to do.

Pack mentality in this game is a good thing. It's something that scum certainly lacks.

It bores me, I like it once we get into the real game and I actually have things that I can go off to scum hunt. And no not everyone does it I've come across multiple people who don't do the joke vote stage, of course their reasons are usually different than mean but I just find it boring.

hewitt · Post Post #50 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:54 am

hohum wrote:
hewitt wrote:
hohum wrote:
hewitt wrote:Course not, I just don't really care to.
Please explain why you feel it's necessary to completely skip a whole stage of the game. Random votes certainly help to spur conversation. Everyone does it, so not complying can certainly be construed as an anti-town thing to do.

Pack mentality in this game is a good thing. It's something that scum certainly lacks.
It bores me, I like it once we get into the real game and I actually have things that I can go off to scum hunt. And no not everyone does it I've come across multiple people who don't do the joke vote stage, of course their reasons are usually different than mean but I just find it boring.
If everyone in the game refused to cast an initial vote then we would never have anything to talk about.

Boring is good. Boring is pro-town.

You're already earning scum points in my log book.

Oh please you're just looking for an excuse to attack me after the way I attacked you last game. Get over yourself.

hewitt · Post Post #54 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:31 am

Mhmm alright hohum, keep telling yourself that.

Anyways kmd...

I've only completed one game on this site and I was nightkilled as a vanilla townie before Day 3, town lost.

Completed hundreds of real-life mafia games (great drinking game haha) as mafia with varying results...that's all I've pretty much got to say.

hewitt · Post Post #58 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:53 am

hohum wrote:
ac1983fan wrote:I find it odd that people are attacking hewitt for not random voting. My first post contained no random vote, why is no one attacking me. Seriously, the random voting stage isn't that important. Sure, it helps get the game started, but as long as people are posting something, the game will eventually get started.
He's not being attacked just for that, at least not by me. Read my previous few posts.

That's exactly what you attacked me for, not random voting.

hewitt · Post Post #61 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:16 am

I'm not going to apologize for that comment of anything because it's hohum so I don't feel too bad about it and no your attack did not start with the ad-hom insult it started with the random voting that I didn't partake in which is what I was referring to.

hewitt · Post Post #67 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:00 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:
ac1983fan wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:
Vote Rin Twisted

Scum found.
WTH? how does Rin's post make her scum?

major fos:kmd
The whole point in asking for scum meta is similar to the point of the RVS. The idea with asking for scum meta is that scum are going to be uncomfortable with the idea while townies will be glad to share. Rin came out against it.

Do you believe otherwise? You FoS'd me. Do you think I am scum? Why am I not worthy of a vote?

That's true to an extent I think. That is pretty weird that a townie would not want to post their scum meta.

hewitt · Post Post #92 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:24 pm

I would have to agree that it is a little silly to jump to conclusions so quickly but it does bother me a little she's not showing her past games. However, if that's consistent with her gameplay and that's how she always plays then I can understand that better.

hewitt · Post Post #102 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:35 pm

I think by providing previous scum meta games can actually help scum by avoiding the tendencies they had in those previous games and they can say "Oh yeah well look at my previous games I was scum, I'm not playing that way am I? Nope, so I'm not scum".

hewitt · Post Post #113 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:04 am

hohum wrote:
Ztife wrote: Post 48: How is boring pro-town? Or does boring in this context refers to the random voting stage of the game?

Boring translates to stretching the game out. The longer a game goes on the more the balance of the game swings to town. Information is a good thing, lots of it is better. Only scum would want a short/exciting/fast paced game.quote]

Stretching a game out doesn't mean it has to be boring. If you choose to make it boring then that's your own prerogative but I'm not going to play boring I'm going to try to give out as much of my opinions as I can, scum hunt to the best of my ability, and I'm going to try to avoid posts that are meaningless to the game. Games can be fast-paced and long at the same time, everybody's just got to keep posting, keep scum hunting, and try their hardest to help the town at all times.

hewitt · Post Post #117 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:58 am

I would actually have to agree. I kind of feel like scum meta is used by a veteran of this site to show off how many games they've played and how experienced they are at this game. The more meta that someone puts up the more likely I'm going to distrust them for the simple fact that they have so much more experience at lying and deceiving. Kmd your scum games do contradict each other so basically no matter what style you play this game it'll probably match one of your scum games so what am I supposed to do with that information? I find joke votes to be silly for me to partake in even if others do so (which I have no problem with obviously) and I'm starting to find scum meta just a little annoying more then anything. It's an overload of information that quite frankly doesn't help me at all.

hewitt · Post Post #121 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:57 am

Kmd do you go into every game asking for scum meta?

hewitt · Post Post #123 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:58 am

Kmd4390 wrote:
hewitt wrote:Kmd do you go into every game asking for scum meta?
No. I saw it done offsite recently as a substitute for the RVS and it was surprisingly effective. I tried it once, but the game is ongoing. So this is the second time I've personally done it, and the third game I've been in where it's been done.

Okay because it would seem a little shady to me to come in and do it this game if you don't normally do it just because there's the possibility that you could've gone in this game planning on doing it and I don't see why you would have a gameplan ready before the game even starts.

hewitt · Post Post #134 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:12 pm

What if Kmd is scum and is totally laughing his ass off because everybody else is making such a big deal about how Rin Twisted isn't putting up her scum meta? That would be a great scum play.

hewitt · Post Post #137 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:16 pm

Wait, where the hell is AWA?

hewitt · Post Post #140 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:36 pm

Rin Twisted wrote:
hewitt wrote:What if Kmd is scum and is totally laughing his ass off because everybody else is making such a big deal about how Rin Twisted isn't putting up her scum meta? That would be a great scum play.
You know, I have thought about this- about what an awesome move he would be making. I just don't think he's scum though. Kmd is making some really bold moves for scum, especially so early in the game.

I can't make a judgment yet, but that would be a helluva smart move if he was.

hewitt · Post Post #154 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:12 am

Empking wrote:Yes, I think not trying to help the town to win is scummy.

You have not contributed anything at all to the town this game in any way, shape, or form. By your own logic you should vote for yourself because you're not helping either.

hewitt · Post Post #156 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:33 am

Okay dejkha enough with the personal attacks on Empking that's really annoying. There's no need to question his intelligence you don't know him in real life, knock it off. I know how he plays and I would've just liked to take the opportunity to point out to him the hypocrisy of his statement without your added insults thanks.

hewitt · Post Post #167 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:11 am

Empking can you please give us an analysis on at least something going on in this game? Something so that we know you can put arguments or cases together and you're not just floating by in this game contributing nothing. It would be greatly appreciated.

hewitt · Post Post #181 (isolation #23) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:23 pm

Okay seriously quit it. Like what the fuck. No townie should be acting this way...

hewitt · Post Post #183 (isolation #24) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:26 pm

dejkha wrote:You sound pretty sure of yourself...

I am sure that no townie should be acting that way. Hence, I'm doubting both of you are town.

hewitt · Post Post #186 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:48 pm

zwetschenwasser wrote:Um, so hewitt, what do you think about Zt?

My logic is telling me that he's suspicious and to not trust him. His last post #150 I feel basically re-hashed what has already been said and had stated the obvious. I feel like it was an attempt to look as if he was contributing when in fact it contributed very little if nothing at all for such a large post. The comment on how other people probably want to comment more about the Rin Twisted scum meta thing makes me feel as if he's encouraging this (at this point) pointless debate to keep the heat on that person and off himself.

That's all I've really got on him so far.

hewitt · Post Post #188 (isolation #26) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:18 pm

zwetschenwasser wrote:Hmm. How is the debate pointless now? Rin hasn't said anything besides "I'm sticking to what I'm saying" and KMD hasn't backed down, and I really want Rin to explain herself more fully. This is not a pointless discussion.

How do you not understand her side by now? I don't necessarily agree with it but I can understand what she's saying. I feel like you want her to change her mind and say you know what you're right I should post my scum meta and it's quite obvious that she's not going to. Both points of view are valid but it's not going anywhere because both sides are so stubborn on their points and it's really come down to a difference in playstyles.

hewitt · Post Post #190 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:22 pm

zwetschenwasser wrote:It's not a difference in playstyle. It's a nervousness found in most scum to give the town any sort of information, useful or not, that could help reveal them later. That's what Rin is claiming she's not doing, when she is.

Okay well if that's what you think then fine I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise at this point. I'm telling you that I'm over that whole discussion.

hewitt · Post Post #201 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:53 pm

zwetschenwasser wrote:So we should drop this entire discussion because you say so? +1 scumpoint.

No I did not say that. What I said was it was a pointless discussion because I feel as if neither side is willing to give anything to what the other is saying. Both sides have logic but they're on completely different tracks and both sides are failing to see that so it's frustrating to watch because it's getting absolutely nowhere.

hewitt · Post Post #206 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:24 pm

At Ztife yes I did read your post clearly and at Rin Twisted I can see your point of view so that's good but I don't think zwets can or is willing to. So maybe I should've said that differently and said you can see the other side but zwets does not.

hewitt · Post Post #207 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:26 pm

I hope that made sense I'm like killer drunk lol. Let me try this again...

Zwets...I don't think you're willing to see the other side of the argument here. And when I say that I mean you have the capability to see it but you're choosing not to because it puts heat on Rin Twisted and keeps the focus on her and not yourself. So I think you're being a little thick-headed in this argument either because you're so adament and dead set in your views or you're trying to start a wagon on Rin Twisted. And whether it's because your town who sees her as scum or scum who sees her as an easy bandwagon I'm not sure.

hewitt · Post Post #210 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:48 pm

Thank you for prodding AWA.

hewitt · Post Post #221 (isolation #32) » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:19 am

Rin Twisted wrote:Empking, insulting people does not = scummy behavior. Total nulltell. You'll find town and scum alike who have agressive playstyles.

How about you tell us what you think about other people besides Dej?

@Kmd, I know that's what caught your attention. I think meta's useless, and wish other people wouldn't muck up the game with it. I was anticipating a series of meta scum posts that I would have to wade through to get at any real substance for the game and the thought of it made me want to groan out loud. I don't know that there's any real way for me to convince you of this, but that's how it is.

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In honor of March 5th:

<3 to everyone here for making this such a fun and active game. Special <3 to kmd: I will forgive you for being completely wrong about me and come chat you up about game theory as soon as this game ends. And to hewitt, for caring enough about this game to come to play even while drunk. That's some impressive dedication right there.

Haha I'm not sure if it was dedication or stupidity but it seems like I got my point across kind of clearly so that's good at least.

Empking, you're wrong. You haven't made a case at all it's a point not a case and a fairly weak one at that.

hewitt · Post Post #225 (isolation #33) » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:34 am

Empking wrote:
hewitt wrote:
Rin Twisted wrote:Empking, insulting people does not = scummy behavior. Total nulltell. You'll find town and scum alike who have agressive playstyles.

How about you tell us what you think about other people besides Dej?

@Kmd, I know that's what caught your attention. I think meta's useless, and wish other people wouldn't muck up the game with it. I was anticipating a series of meta scum posts that I would have to wade through to get at any real substance for the game and the thought of it made me want to groan out loud. I don't know that there's any real way for me to convince you of this, but that's how it is.

_______________
In honor of March 5th:

<3 to everyone here for making this such a fun and active game. Special <3 to kmd: I will forgive you for being completely wrong about me and come chat you up about game theory as soon as this game ends. And to hewitt, for caring enough about this game to come to play even while drunk. That's some impressive dedication right there.
Haha I'm not sure if it was dedication or stupidity but it seems like I got my point across kind of clearly so that's good at least.

Empking, you're wrong. You haven't made a case at all it's a point not a case and a fairly weak one at that.
What is a case?

Can you quote one of your own cases from this thread?

I haven't made a case on anyone yet but I've formulated good opinions, ideas, and I've contributed positively to this game so far. Much more so then you have and you frustrate me because you're saying that you're helping...when you're not.

hewitt · Post Post #264 (isolation #34) » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:53 am

Okay so what the hell is going on right now. Reading this last page I feel like I'm reading a bunch of ADD sixth graders posting. Okay so on Zt- zwets has a high activity level in all his games. At least all the games I've played with him including this one. Being helpful in content is a completely different subject if he's high posting yet being absolutely useless that's one thing. And if he's a low poster but incredibly helpful and formulates good arguments, opinions, etc then that's another.

I think it's a little ridiculous to be oh nice OMGUS vote for zwets because yeah it kinda was but we all know why he voted that way. So it's not like we don't know why he voted for Ztife.

And then on to Empking, you're still not being helpful and you think you are? I'm so over this...

hewitt · Post Post #290 (isolation #35) » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:08 am

To me Empking and zwets are pretty much the same person. The similarities in their playstyles are ridiculous.

hewitt · Post Post #294 (isolation #36) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:32 am

I'm pretty sure Empking that he just meant Oh My God U Suck, minus the for voting for me part. So yeah he was OMGUS but not by that vocabulary term. You can say oh my God you suck and that spells OMGUS but not in the mafiascum term wiki way.

Basically he's just saying oh my God you suck and I kind of agree.

hewitt · Post Post #297 (isolation #37) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:28 am

Empking wrote:hewitt: You think "OMGUS voting" is not referring to voting?

Uh no I think I clearly stated that I think OMGUS is referring to oh my God you suck and I left out the voting part completely. So when I say OMGUS I'm not saying it because you voted for me I'm saying it because I think you suck just for sucking at the game.

hewitt · Post Post #303 (isolation #38) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:50 am

Whooooooaaaaaaaaaaa what was with the stupid troll comment that was completely unnecessary.

hewitt · Post Post #306 (isolation #39) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:23 am

Oh yeah I thought that was directed at Dejkha too.

hewitt · Post Post #392 (isolation #40) » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:23 pm

Okay sorry I have been gone for like...ever. Spring break, college student, you know how it goes haha. Anyways I've got to say all this Empking discussion with the big long paragraphs just annoys me because I feel like it can be summed up so much easier.

When Empking is town- he is useless and mafia love him because he fucks over the town.

When Empking is mafia- he is just plain useless.

I would say take a good look at the people who have been attacked so far this game and then take up an attack on Empking...he's an easy out for scum players because everybody wants to lynch him and it takes the attention off them.

hewitt · Post Post #403 (isolation #41) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:43 am

Okay well I didn't read a post where zwets said the same thing I said so technically that's not plagiarism because it's my own thoughts thanks much.

hewitt · Post Post #413 (isolation #42) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:48 am

Wow mufasa, way to just totally jump onto the most obvious bandwagon ever. You haven't really contributed much to this game either and you vote Empking for that reason? That's interesting...

hewitt · Post Post #416 (isolation #43) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:14 am

Mufasa wrote:Not contributing is better than being a virus to this game

Uh, no. That would be incorrect. First of all Empking is more like an annoying fly than a virus. You flying under the radar concerns me much more, especially just to come out and keep throwing attention on Empking instead of formulating helpful opinions.

hewitt · Post Post #420 (isolation #44) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:33 am

zwetschenwasser wrote:Are you reading my mind now, hewitt? That's twice now.

Do I really keep saying exactly what you're saying? I don't remember ever reading you say the same thing as me either time

Mufasa wrote:Lynch me then I really have nothing to be afraid of, Lynching me will just result in a loss of a town member

Are you really that inept at the game that you're taking these comments as some full-force attack against you? Jeez grow a spine already, and learn how to actually contribute to the game.

hewitt · Post Post #423 (isolation #45) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:11 pm

They've been prodded don't worry. Well what do we do when some people in the town feel as if three are useless to the game. It was one thing having Empking and zwets in the same game...but three...that's tough.

hewitt · Post Post #428 (isolation #46) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:15 am

Kmd4390 wrote:Hewitt. Ignore "uselessness" and vote for "scummy". If all 3 are town, we can't really afford the mislynches. It would put us in immediate LYLO.

Exactly. That's exactly the problem, because if they are just being useless how are we supposed to tell if they are town or scum? It's a really bad predicament to put the rest of the town in by not contributing because then the rest of us won't know what to do with them. We can't lynch them because their not being scummy but we can't keep them for very long because once you get near the end you need all the logical players you have.

It sucks and actually zwets I don't really want to put you in the category with mufasa and Empking but some people do get annoyed with your gameplay and would group you with them so while I wouldn't put you at that low level it's been clear that some people would.

hewitt · Post Post #443 (isolation #47) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:52 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:
hewitt wrote:We can't lynch them because their not being scummy
You don't think Mufasa is scummy?

hewitt wrote:once you get near the end you need all the logical players you have.
Empking is pretty logical once you get fast his frustrating playstyle.

I didn't say I didn't think mufasa was being scumy because I do. And I disagree with Empking being a logical player. He doesn't use much reason behind his logic and doesn't adjust accordingly to situations and games.

hewitt · Post Post #449 (isolation #48) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:31 pm

maadneet wrote:I really thought I would've had more time during this week to participate, but finals were more brutal than I thought. I haven't even had a chance to read what's happened since page 10 or so.

So sorry; posting from should be picking up now, after I do a good read through!

I totally forgot you were in this game.

hewitt · Post Post #463 (isolation #49) » Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:51 pm

Okay at this point I have to.

Vote: Empking

I don't buy your by-the-book playstyle any longer. I think you're just trying to distract us from the fact that you can't think of any arguments and adapt your playstyle to this game. If you're town, you'd be able to adapt your playstyle to this game to help the town in a positive way. And you are not.

hewitt · Post Post #466 (isolation #50) » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:23 pm

Not even going to lie I would not mind if someone hammered because I actually do think he's scum in this game.

hewitt · Post Post #471 (isolation #51) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:08 am

Mafia theory is useless without the ability to adapt into singular games and play with logic instead of just by-the-book which truly doesn't exist because there is not by-the-book way to play this game.

hewitt · Post Post #473 (isolation #52) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:10 am

Empking wrote:
hewitt wrote:Mafia theory is useless without the ability to adapt into singular games and play with logic instead of just by-the-book which truly doesn't exist because there is not by-the-book way to play this game.
Active Lurking.

How am I active lurking?

hewitt · Post Post #475 (isolation #53) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:24 am

Empking wrote:I'm a useless?

dejkha wrote:EBWOP: in the form
of
a noun

Mufasa wrote:How did I get grouped with Empking so fast ?

zwetschenwasser wrote:See last page. Also, how am I a spammer?

zwetschenwasser wrote:Mufasa is trying to temporarily imitate Emp. I also agree with Kmd's statement.

maadneet wrote:I really thought I would've had more time during this week to participate, but finals were more brutal than I thought. I haven't even had a chance to read what's happened since page 10 or so.

So sorry; posting from should be picking up now, after I do a good read through!

Empking wrote:
zwetschenwasser wrote:*facepalm* STFU, troll. (sheesh, I'm sounding like hohum/dejkha)
I'm not the one calling someone else a liar in a non-direct way.

zwetschenwasser wrote:You're the one sounding like a shivering paranoid freak of nature.

dejkha wrote:Zwet, please don't get sucked in by him. All it will do is fill this thread with unnecessary posts.

zwetschenwasser wrote:I'm getting confused here...

Mufasa wrote:I'd lynch him now to save my time money breath and whatever else of mine is being wasted

btw V/LA Thursday - Sunday

These are "active lurking" posts are they not? So why are you all of the sudden pointing out my post when I've been actively helping pretty much all game.

hewitt · Post Post #478 (isolation #54) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:46 am

Go read yourself Empking.

hewitt · Post Post #480 (isolation #55) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:48 am

Sue me.

hewitt · Post Post #482 (isolation #56) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:50 am

Somebody else chime in here.

hewitt · Post Post #485 (isolation #57) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:56 am

And by somebody else I'm referring to everybody who's name isn't Empking.

hewitt · Post Post #487 (isolation #58) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:58 am

LOL I meant players in the game Zazier not the mod but thanks for answering =)

Anyways I don't want this to turn into a just me v. just Empking argument which is why I'm asking if anybody else has an opinion on the matter Empking. If you can't understand how that's helpful then you do not have your head in the game.

hewitt · Post Post #491 (isolation #59) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:22 am

Have you not been paying attention this game? Why are you asking now when I'm pretty sure everybody has stated why when they voted you.

hewitt · Post Post #494 (isolation #60) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:32 am

Empking wrote:
hewitt wrote:Have you not been paying attention this game? Why are you asking now when I'm pretty sure everybody has stated why when they voted you.
I want to see if anyone has changed their minds.

Then shouldn't you have asked has anyone changed their minds about voting for me before I'm hammered? And are you ignoring the claim request?

hewitt · Post Post #497 (isolation #61) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:41 am

Empking, why are you ignoring the claim request?

hewitt · Post Post #501 (isolation #62) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:49 am

Uh no it's not the pro-town thing to do if you get hammered and you're town. Then it just hurts us obviously. Empking somebody is going to hammer you and soon and unless you do something to show you're town.

hewitt · Post Post #504 (isolation #63) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:50 am

Not giving a reason as to why we're scum is scummy Empking. By your own logic you're scum.

hewitt · Post Post #506 (isolation #64) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:56 am

You didn't give a reason as to why I'm 100% scum Empking. That's scummy according to you so why am I 100% scum?

hewitt · Post Post #512 (isolation #65) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:53 am

Okay, that's slightly annoying. If you think Empking is scum then vote for him.

hewitt · Post Post #514 (isolation #66) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:03 pm

Okaaaay...I understand that but seriously if you think Empking is scum then you should vote for him. If you don't, then do not vote for him.

hewitt · Post Post #516 (isolation #67) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:11 pm

I know people are kind of treating this as a joke and all, but seriously I think Empking is scum in this game and if you don't think he's scum...don't vote. If you truly honestly believe he's scum then vote. I'm not sure if you're voting for him because you think he's scum dejkha or if it's just personal vendetta...

hewitt · Post Post #520 (isolation #68) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:30 pm

dejkha wrote:At least it wasn't Zwet that hammered. I am really begging for him to be scum, because, if he is, I will be all over Kmd

I think he is and that will be really interesting to hear what Kmd has to say.

hewitt · Post Post #529 (isolation #69) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:36 am

dejkha wrote:
Vote:Zwet

Okay do you have a reason for voting for zwets? Or are you just going to leave that out in the open...

hewitt · Post Post #546 (isolation #70) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:50 am

The problem to me with an Empking lynch is that it's hard to tell whether scum or town were on the wagon. Here's kind of the possibilities that everybody falls under.

ON THE LYNCH
Town players- Sick and tired of Empking and afraid to keep him around later in the game.
Scum players- Easy lynch for them, all they basically have to do is hop on and wait for the votes to accumulate.

OFF THE LYNCH
Town players- Not convinced that Empking was scum and don't agree with the policy lynch.
Scum players- Going to turn around and point fingers at those who were on the lynch for lynching a townie.

Now the question would be who falls in which category and why?

hewitt · Post Post #548 (isolation #71) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:45 am

I have a feeling there was scum on both sides of the lynch.

hewitt · Post Post #550 (isolation #72) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:37 pm

zwetschenwasser wrote:That's an incredibly helpful assumption hewitt. I applaud your sheer genius.

Oh shut up.

hewitt · Post Post #563 (isolation #73) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:49 pm

VP Baltar wrote:
mod: I was promised awesome flavor that I would be a part of

I have finished my reread. The bad news: I won't have time to do a comprehensive post tonight. The good news: Kreriov and Dej are scum.

More to come soon.

Oh I just love it when people make statements like that without posting their reasoning behind it. Seriously just wait until you can actually tell us the reasoning to make statements like that.

hewitt · Post Post #583 (isolation #74) » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:44 am

Because it iritates me VP. I feel like I should keep my mouth shut until they post their cases.

Dejkha what are you talking about when you say if you came to that conclusion and people agree. The only person who posted after him was SpyreX. Sounds a little bit of appeal to emotion to me, like oh look everybody's ganging up on me when that's not really the case at all. Any position you feel like you're in you got yourself into.

hewitt · Post Post #585 (isolation #75) » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:03 am

So you're not going to defend yourself because you think people will just agree with him anyway?

hewitt · Post Post #592 (isolation #76) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:16 am

Uh I did not say that the vote was so chaotic we can get no information from it. Did I not talk about the four categories that I believe everybody who voted for Empking fall under?

hewitt · Post Post #594 (isolation #77) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:48 am

What are you talking about??? I didn't say there is no info to be had from those voting for Empking I clearly stated that there are four categories I believe the voters and non-voters fell under and if I can figure out who's in what category then that would be really helpful.

hewitt · Post Post #598 (isolation #78) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:22 am

No I think there are people who I see as grouped into certain categories but I'm not done with it yet, hence I haven't posted it yet.

hewitt · Post Post #635 (isolation #79) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:14 am

***FIRST OFF SEE MY SIG, MY APOLOGIES***

hewitt wrote:The problem to me with an Empking lynch is that it's hard to tell whether scum or town were on the wagon. Here's kind of the possibilities that everybody falls under.

ON THE LYNCH
Town players- Sick and tired of Empking and afraid to keep him around later in the game.
Scum players- Easy lynch for them, all they basically have to do is hop on and wait for the votes to accumulate.

OFF THE LYNCH
Town players- Not convinced that Empking was scum and don't agree with the policy lynch.
Scum players- Going to turn around and point fingers at those who were on the lynch for lynching a townie.

Now the question would be who falls in which category and why?

Okay so I was in the hospital last night and I actually had time to sit down and figure out my own question yay! Okay so if I had to take a guess at where everybody falls here's what I believe...

ON TL
Players that I believe are town on TL (which includes myself)

dejkha- This is so consistent with his game I'm not surprised at all that he voted for Empking obviously. His questioning of zwets as well doesn't surprise me as he's pretty much a policy lynch on D1 player.

Ztife- His reasoning made sense and he was another policy lynch Empking player. Wasn't exclusively trying to bandwagon Empking.

ac1983fan- Policy lynched Empking, which I don't feel was scummy.

Kreriov- I went back and forth on this one. Kmd was totally correct in pointing out all his contradictions in his posting but seemed genuine enough in the end with the Empking lynch.

Players that I believe are scum on TL

hohum- Starts off the game right away with a vote on Empking and while he questions him every once and a while there were a whole bunch of times when he made cases against other people, including myself, without following through or changing his vote. Seemed relieved when other people began voting for Empking. I believe that he started this game as scum waiting for people to jump on a Empking bandwagon and have an easy D1 lynch.

mufasa- Comes out of nowhere with his vote on Empking without properly explaining himself. I believe he lurked the entire game considering there wasn't a prod needed on him or anything and was just waiting for what he felt was the right moment to pounce (haha Lion King reference right there couldn't help it).

OFF TL
Players that I believe are town off TL

Kmd- I actually was ready to say that he's scum. With his defending of Empking I truly thought he was going to turn around and point fingers at all the people on the Empking lynch but he didn't do that so I think his defending of Empking is genuine and unless I seem him supporting a policy lynch in another game I'm going to stick by that.

SpyreX and VP Baltar- Bother replacements who I'm going to have to get a better read on so give me a little bit more time but they seem like positive contributors to this game so far.

zwets- Kind of like dejkha, consistent with his gameplay to me regarding the Empking lynch. A little hard to read but other than that I don't really have much to say about him.

Players that I believe are scum off TL

maadneet- Coming in with that late vote and successfully lurking the entire game. I believe that he was watching the whole game and was satisfied with the way the Empking lynch was going so he threw in a couple of fluff posts along the way to make sure he wasn't prodded and wasn't noticed as much. Very nice under the radar play and the late vote blew it for me. Plus he has been prodded this day am I right Zazier? And it seems as if he picked up the prod but has not posted yet.

Vote: maadneet

hewitt · Post Post #637 (isolation #80) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:20 am

The lynch, sorry if that was unclear.

hewitt · Post Post #643 (isolation #81) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:11 am

I saw it I just didn't think it was very important Kmd. Pretty obvious dejkha is being sarcastic.

hewitt · Post Post #652 (isolation #82) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:27 pm

Not even going to lie I feel a little miffed that no one has said anything about my post that took me killer long to formulate...

=(

hewitt · Post Post #662 (isolation #83) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:17 am

So this would put mufasa at a L-3 am I correct?

hewitt · Post Post #666 (isolation #84) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:08 am

I disagree Ztife about your analysis of hohum (I think at least, I'm not sure but for some reason I'm not quite clearly understanding what you wrote) but if you're saying he seems pro-town I totally disagree. For the reasons I stated in my post analyzing the Empking lynch, and reinforced with his D2 activity.

hewitt · Post Post #673 (isolation #85) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:41 pm

VP Baltar wrote:@ Hewitt, I did not have time to address your post earlier. I will do it now.

I don't agree with you assessment of the people on the lynch who are town. first of all, I think you are clearing waaaaay too many people in your mind for Day2 on a game with no scum lynched. I think my opinions on most of these players are known. I get the vibe that you and Ztife are town, however.

People on the lynch you think are scum.

Hohum--could be, you make a good point about his voting for the day, but maybe someone with a meta on him could speak to how he normally votes. Some players just don't like to move their vote until they are absolutely sure.

Could you explain this as well with some citations:
hewitt wrote: (hohum) Seemed relieved when other people began voting for Empking.

I probably should have clarified this but I have nooooo way cleared those who I put in my town list. What I meant was since there's threeee? Yeah three scum in this game I picked out who I thought was the scummiest. So I limited it just to who I thought were the three scummiest.

On to hohum the main thing I have against him is although he has his vote on Empking the whole game he keeps making little side cases that he abandons quickly without ever really developing. They actually seemed like good cases but he never went anywhere with them and fell back to his vote on Empking each time although I think it was clear he was saying other people were scummier.

hohum wrote:
zwetschenwasser wrote:What are YOUR opinions on ZT. I'm agreeing with hewitt sofar, btw.
Why are YOU attempting to moderate an argument between ZT and Dej? Let them hash their shit out. We don't need someone guiding the process, asking "why, why not, what do you think, I agree with, blah, blah, blah" without actually contributing any original opinions of his own to the process.

Attempting to look busy and being busy are two different things. +scum points for you, my friend.

Then drops the case on zwets. Posts a response to something Empking posted then goes to maadneet.

hohum wrote:
maadneet wrote:Hi everyone!

Mufasa also needs to contribute more; the last post really feels like an especially bad post, saying "hi, discussion is going" while not contributing at all.

Vote: Mufasa
Do you find hypocrisy to be a useful tool?

Drops the case on mufasa. Posts a response to something Empking posted then goes to ac.

hohum wrote:
ac1983fan wrote:Empking, don't make definitive statements like you did. The only way you can really know that is if you were scum.
Way to reiterate what everyone else is already saying. Got any original thoughts floating around up there in your head that you'd like to share with us?

Thanks.

Follows up with...

hohum wrote:
ac1983fan wrote:Posting what I think, even if it's already been said, is better than not posting anything.
Actually posting to make yourself look busy is scummier than lurking. We're 10 pages into the day. Surely there must be SOMETHING you can comment on.

Drops the case on ac then moves back to zwets with...

hohum wrote:
zwetschenwasser wrote:
Unvote; Vote: Ztife
Nice OMGUS.

Insults Empking blah blah.

hohum wrote:There's a few people who have been earning scum points in my log book this game but not enough to justify a vote. Since Empking is a raging faggot anyways, my vote is staying right where it is until a better lynch target presents itself.

That last quote pretty much sums up why I think hohum is scummy.

hewitt · Post Post #681 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:08 pm

So you've played with him before and he was scum and he would stick with his vote if it looked to be a potential lynch? That seems to be exactly what he did with Empking to me.

hewitt · Post Post #683 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:12 pm

Okay easy now you trigger happy psycho.

I meant that in a good way zwets =)

hewitt · Post Post #685 (isolation #88) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:20 pm

But you were much more consistent with your focus on Empking than hohum was. There were so many other things that he was starting to take a stance on then backing off very quickly. The only big case he made against someone other than Empking was me in the very beginning in the game and it was a silly and immature argument between the two of us.

hewitt · Post Post #687 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:29 pm

Yeah I'd say out of the three people I listed as who I thought were most likely to be scum he would not be number one. I still think maadneet is the scummiest of the three.

hewitt · Post Post #689 (isolation #90) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:56 pm

I know you've already explained this in one of the games I'm in with you but please can you re-state what PRUFT is again?

hewitt · Post Post #691 (isolation #91) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:02 pm

Oh okay, so what makes it a semi-PRUFT then?lol.

hewitt · Post Post #700 (isolation #92) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:39 am

Mufasa wrote:Hewitt- Very interesting hearing what he has to say, as it seams he always has something to say.

HAHA I love this. Yeah do not assume someone has the time you do. I'm a full timestudent but my job requires me to be on my laptop when I'm not in class so that's why I can post as much as I do. Some people don't have that luxury.

hewitt · Post Post #705 (isolation #93) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:16 am

I don't understand, mufasa, how you can say dejkha is rough around the edges when you yourself proclaim to be very new to the game. I would consider you a lot more rough around the edges than dejkha. I think you're confusing having an edge to rough around the edges.

hewitt · Post Post #707 (isolation #94) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:36 am

So you're voting for mufasa because kreriov is buddying up with him? With that reasoning I would've thought vice versa...

hewitt · Post Post #709 (isolation #95) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:39 am

I know that and please do not answer a question I posed to someone else. That answer doesn't correlate with my question anyway I'm asking why he posted that reasoning for his vote now.

hewitt · Post Post #717 (isolation #96) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:51 am

Okay but listen dejkah. I don't care if it's not just his reasoning I asked him because I wanted to hear what he had to say. No offense but if I wanted your opinion on the matter before zwets I would've asked you.

hewitt · Post Post #719 (isolation #97) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:53 am

Okay just to let everyone know since it seems the majority is online and posting when I come back from t'ai chi at 6 I full-heartedly plan on hammering mufasa. I believe he's scum for the reasons I stated in my after-lynch post but I will not hammer until after 6. I believe this gives enough people time to question mufasa as they will or remove their vote as they will. It also gives mufasa a little bit more time to explain and just for the record I dislike that little appeal to emotion mufasa.

hewitt · Post Post #724 (isolation #98) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:02 am

It's actually two hours I'm not sure what time zone you live in but I live in central time zone and it is now 4:02. Would you like me to wait longer mufasa or no? If you've already said everything you have to say that I mean I might as well just hammer now.

hewitt · Post Post #733 (isolation #99) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:12 am

It wasn't a hammer it wasn't bolded. Was that on purpose? Very much could be in my opinion.

hewitt · Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:18 am

VP do not count players off as being unintelligent enough to pull a trick like that. It was very crafty and I think he did it on purpose and actually you can almost see it coming. Notice how he typed it out instead of clicking the bold button on the editing tool. Since you have unvoted dejkha...

Vote: mufasa

The L-1 continues.

hewitt · Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:19 am

Oh and I'll be at dinner then t'ai chi so this is my last post until around 6:15 central time. I'm not opposed to a hammer for the record.

hewitt · Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:05 pm

Okay I actually realized that exactly 5:26 during t'ai chi that my vote does not count because I did not

Unvote: maadneet

I actually had faith that VP was going to catch that but never mind nobody did so that was my bad, technically mufasa was at L-2 this whole time after dejkha unvoted.

Vote: mufasa

And VP if he was a power role do you really think that he would be "sacrificing" himself?

The hammar has not been thrown down yet so mufasa if you comply to VP's wishes after you come back from baseball practice that would be great.

hewitt · Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:06 pm

NOW he's officially at L-1.

hewitt · Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:43 pm

VP Baltar wrote:haha, I have been getting thier names messed up this whole game. Probably because maadneet rarely shows up and mufasa doesn't have an avatar.

I think he might just be frustrated from everyone attacking him. I have read games with newbies doing it before. In fact, one game had someone leave the site altogether because they thought people were being too aggressive. It happens.

Speaking of maadneet, you notice how he never came back after he was called on that disparity in his posts?

Okay see now I feel like I'm trying to be made as picking on mufasa just because he's newer. I'm newer as well I have not completed that many games on this site at all so it's really hard for me to show sympathy just because someone feels attacked.

I did notice that maadneet did not come back to voice his defense after that and my vote would still be on him if I did not believe mufasa was scum as well. I would support a maadneet, mufasa, or hohum lynch right now and I'm confident that mufasa is scum. I do think that he's playing up the newbie card and I think that it was a brilliant play to misvote and not return. He said he was a full time student and that he's at baseball practice gives him the perfect excuse to disappear for a while. I'm not exactly saying that he's lying but it would make the rest of us panic if he misvoted himself (which worked perfectly in my opinion) and then left us to stew it over too much.

hewitt · Post Post #802 (isolation #105) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:59 pm

What the hell I missed a lot. Damn, last time I ever watch Twilight...

Okay wow this is quite a mess we've got here. So let me just start by...

Unvote

I'm now convinced one of the two is scum. There is NO way a townie would claim doc if he wasn't the real doc. mufasa claims first and claims that he covers Kmd. At first thought I'd think this makes a lot of sense because he's been very pro-town today. However, he defended Empking and that was not a popular position to take prior to the lynch. I am not quite sure if Kmd would've made the most logical cover choice that night.

Now apparently maadneet is counter claiming as doctor. First of all there is no way I could see a townie counter claiming as doc. He's either the real doc and mufasa is scum, or he is scum and mufasa is the doc. If this were the opposite way around I would find it more difficult because mufasa is a self-proclaimed newbie and may think it would be appropriate for some reason to counter claim as doc if he's town I don't quite know. But if maadneet is a normal townie I don't think he would ever claim doc. So one is doc and one is scum.

maadneet claims that he covered ac during the night. I fail to see how this is a more illogical choice to cover over Kmd after D1. In my opinion when I was analyzing I was fairly certain that ac was town and I had been flip-flopping on Kmd for a while so I can understand why he would cover ac over Kmd. And the wagon had really not had that much momentum when he claimed Kmd so I don't quite think it was a desperate move.

This is a tough decision but I feel confident that mufasa is the real scum. I think he's one smart cookie and has been playing up his newbie side to full potential but that little italicized comment before claiming doc has convinced me that you are smarter then you so call proclaim to be and that the vote on yourself being unbolded was pre-meditated.

Vote: mufasa

hewitt · Post Post #806 (isolation #106) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:56 pm

So would this be three votes maadneet and four votes mufasa right now?

hewitt · Post Post #809 (isolation #107) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:24 pm

Oh wow my votecount was incredibly wrong. So mufasa is at L-1 now.

hewitt · Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:48 am

VP Baltar wrote:@Hewitt--I question your logic for the ac cover. Whoever the doc is would have seen Emp flipped town before their night action, and thus would have seen Kmd as the more likely target (given his lone defense of Emp)

But see I thought Kmd was slightly scummy after D1 because he defended Empking. I stated before when I posted my after-lynch thoughts that I thought Kmd was going to turn around and point fingers at those who were on the lynch. But he didn't really do that D2 but that doesn't affect the night actions. So like I said I didn't think Kmd was the most pro-town after D1 until his D2 actions reassured me. So if I was the doc I most certainly would not have covered Kmd.

hewitt · Post Post #834 (isolation #109) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:06 am

camn wrote:why would a townie intentionally out a Doc?

In fact, seriously, HOW would a townie out a doc?

Claiming Doc is for 2 logical purposes, and 2 only.

A) scum trying to find the real doc
B) town trying to draw a nightkill

In EITHER scenario, the real doc should stay silent.

Mufasa flipped town, so barring insanity, it was option b.
Anyone care to talk about the logic I just put forth?

Now @keirlov: no comments on my FOS of you? Just a crapcase and a vote? Hm.

@maadnet: why did you claim?

Yeah okay option B would've worked out great and all except for the fact that maadneet counterclaimed. Doesn't matter if you think it was pro-town or not it did not work. In fact it royally backfired (although I guess not too royally since maadneet was not nightkilled, which is a little bit odd but if he's the real doc then that's good).

hewitt · Post Post #840 (isolation #110) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:00 am

Okay so I'm going to do my little analysis thing like I did for the last lynch so everybody knows where my head is at. Just to clarify this time, who I think is scum is the three most likely in my mind. I am not clearing anybody else from being scum and I have like five or six people who I had to weigh back and forth and decide but I'm picking the three most likely because that's what we have.

ON TL
Who I believe is town.

maadneet- IF, he is the doctor. Then obviously he is town. I don't know though that exchange was just really bizarre and confusing. Not to mention the fact that he was so flighty D1 and even D2 until counterclaiming. If he had not counterclaimed doctor and had mufasa not flipped vanilla townie then he would for sure be on my scum list.

dejkha- I don't know I just feel as if his intentions are good even though his slapstick arguments are annoying. I don't see any reason to believe that he's scum at this point.

Kreviov- I flipped back and forth on this one just like after D1. Both days if I had to pick a fourth scum it would be him. Really long posts but mostly filled with fluff. Here's the best example I can find of what I'm talking about...

Kreriov wrote:Actually, I have answered this and it remains the same. I found Mufasa and Zrtife's votes to be suspicious, particularly Mufasa. I found Madneet and Zwets actions post lynch to be suspicious. That is the info. I continue to dislike your 'bungled' characterization. Why was it bungled? Simply because he turned out to be town? By that definition, sure. However, the first lynch in almost every game is a townie basically because the first lynch is a guess. From that lynch you gain hard facts. Specifically, the victims alignment. You also have voting records. You continue to belittle and dismiss all this information by continually hammering at me and dejkha. I don't mind that, actually, other than the fact that you seem to be ignoring others who, in my opinion, have done (or not done in the case of lurkers) suspicious things. It is almost like you attack me simply because I have actual posting history for you to dissect. THAT is just one reason why I say you are deflecting. I try to answer legit questions and try to bring up legit concerns about real actions and you continually dismiss them.

Read the second and third sentences of the paragraph, then read how he never follows up those...

Who I believe is scum.

Spyrex- Okay so I read the whole time he was in this game and I simply could not find a single post that I really found to be helpful in any way, shape, or form. I feel like he just slided by on D2 and his wishy-washiness on whether to lynch mufasa or maadneet without giving defining reason to either bothers me.

zwets- I agree with dejkha on this one actually for reasons he has stated. This doesn't feel like your typical game to me based on previous/current games going on right now with you and it bothers me, a lot.

OFF TL
Who I believe is town.

Ztife- I think he's pretty helpful and pretty insightful. I'm getting a good pro-town vibe from him and I can't really find any fault with thim.

VP- Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well he's very helpful in my opinion. But he also kind of scares me. I feel like he's a little bit too all-knowing or something. Forms great opinions, great observations, I don't know though. I only have a strange gut feeling on this one but my head is telling me town.

ac1983- Little bit of back and forth on this one, definitely on the undecided list but kind of the lesser of the scummys I am thinking about right now. The constant oh I'm here but I'm not really posting content until someone drags it out of me bothers me.

Who I believe is scum.

camn- I'm sorry to say that you've carried over hohum's scumminess on with you because it's not really fair to judge on the player you've replaced but I simply cannot ignore the fact that he was so scummy in my opinion. You've done little to convince me otherwise and I do find it a little bothering that you're defending mufasa so much. I think you may be trying to start condemning those who lynched mufasa and are building up to it when I think it was a logical lynch considering the situation. My brain and my gut is telling me to not like you right now.

With all that said I'm going to...

Vote: Spyrex

For reasons stated.

hewitt · Post Post #842 (isolation #111) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:17 am

Well if camn believes that then she should defend it. Personally, I do not think it was smart on mufasa's part I do not believe he did it to save the town's doctor. How did his previous actions during that game suggest he was even pro-town? I think it was a selfish decision to attempt to remain in a game he obviously did not even want to be involved in.

hewitt · Post Post #845 (isolation #112) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:44 am

Yeah, I do think you slid by D2 and I don't think you really contributed anything although you posted frequently.

hewitt · Post Post #848 (isolation #113) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:59 am

That is exactly the point Spyrex, I can't find anything that was helpful.

hewitt · Post Post #866 (isolation #114) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:31 pm

I don't think using dead plsyaer's observations on dejkha are all that relevant here and are being used a little bit too liberally VP.

hewitt · Post Post #868 (isolation #115) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:13 pm

Again I think VP was using Kmd's observations a little bit too liberally. The way he phrased makes it seem as if him and Kmd have some sort of bond, it's like he's subliminally trying to make the rest of us put a connection in our brains between himself and Kmd.

I don't care Spryex what dejkha is talking about whether people finding him suspicious that had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

hewitt · Post Post #872 (isolation #116) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:39 pm

Really? Now I find that quite surprising why am I linked up with dejkha and kreriov? By the way, nice job of explaining your reasoning there.

hewitt · Post Post #876 (isolation #117) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:58 pm

lol I've been one of Kreviov's biggest defenders? That's a surprise to me. That newbie game was the first game I played on this site VP and I knew almost nothing about the game. Obviously I've changed as a player since then so I think it's a little ridiculous that you're referring to that game, which ended so horribly anyways. I did not say that your logic about them being scum did not make sense. What I said was I don't like the way you used Kmd's observations and started making connections between him and yourself as if you're a team. It's like you're trying to instill a psychological connection in the rest of the towns' minds that you're town without directly saying it.

hewitt · Post Post #877 (isolation #118) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:01 pm

Oh and as for me supporting some pretty bad lynches, yeah perhaps the Empking lynch was not the smartest move. But I did think that the mufasa lynch made sense at the time and I obviously was not the only one. It turned out to be a mistake but you can not blame me for that lynch.

hewitt · Post Post #879 (isolation #119) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:06 pm

That comment wasn't referring to you camn it was referring to VP.

hewitt · Post Post #887 (isolation #120) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:04 am

Ztife wrote:
@ Hewitt

hewitt wrote:Oh and as for me supporting some pretty bad lynches, yeah perhaps the Empking lynch was not the smartest move. But I did think that the mufasa lynch made sense at the time and I obviously was not the only one. It turned out to be a mistake but you can not blame me for that lynch.
This sounds like scum trying to kick away blame. How was supporting a emp/mufasa lynch not logical/smart now? Please elaborate.

I said perhaps the Empking lynch was not smart. I can see why other people would not agree with it but at the time I found it the smartest move. And both lynches were mistakes in the fact that we lynched two townies, it's a mistake to lynch townies, whether it's a smart move or not.

hewitt · Post Post #888 (isolation #121) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:06 am

Oh and VP, I have not defended Kreriov in the slightest, in fact I have done the opposite and said that his actions were scummy. Of the people who could possibly be scum though I did not think he was the scummiest. I even said that on both days if I had to pick a fourth scum it would be Kreriov. Go quote where I've defended him.

hewitt · Post Post #890 (isolation #122) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:34 am

Well if you feel that way I can't really do anything to change that because he is pretty much #4 on my list but that doesn't affect the way I'm going to go after who I believe is the scummiest.

hewitt · Post Post #904 (isolation #123) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:25 am

VP Baltar wrote:dej, I don't have the time to go fishing for your meta, nor do I want the hearsay of hewitt.

You don't want my hearsay? You kind of attack me yet you dont want to hear what I have to say about it? Why are you dropping it so quickly?

hewitt · Post Post #907 (isolation #124) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:59 am

He can defend himself VP I'm not defending him. I want you to continue your hewitt/dejkha/Kreriov scumteam attack because if you're going to make an accusation like that you can't just let it go and pull a hohum. Defend it.

hewitt · Post Post #910 (isolation #125) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:04 am

Well yeah I've said that you've been consistent with other games I've played with you in but I think VP is somehow interpreting that as I'm defending you.

hewitt · Post Post #913 (isolation #126) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:05 am

Still waiting for VP to expand upon his ideas instead of pulling a hohum...

hewitt · Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:18 am

I'm not being overdefensive at all. I wouldn't call it impatience but since you posted after I asked you some questions and you didn't answer I obviously am going to point that out. I would say putting me in a scumteam is a pretty big accusation VP and I do want you to explain it if you're going to make an accusation like that. Are you saying I should be today's lynch because I'm wondering why you're not answering my questions? That seems pretty silly. Have you lost your mind in this game a bit? You used to be a lot more logical than that...

hewitt · Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:33 am

VP, I don't understand why you're not answering my questions.

hewitt · Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:40 am

hewitt wrote:You kind of attack me yet you dont want to hear what I have to say about it? Why are you dropping it so quickly?

hewitt wrote:Oh and VP, I have not defended Kreriov in the slightest, in fact I have done the opposite and said that his actions were scummy. Of the people who could possibly be scum though I did not think he was the scummiest. I even said that on both days if I had to pick a fourth scum it would be Kreriov. Go quote where I've defended him.

hewitt wrote:He can defend himself VP I'm not defending him. I want you to continue your hewitt/dejkha/Kreriov scumteam attack because if you're going to make an accusation like that you can't just let it go and pull a hohum. Defend it.

hewitt wrote:I would say putting me in a scumteam is a pretty big accusation VP and I do want you to explain it if you're going to make an accusation like that.

These are what I wanted you to expand upon. Apologies aren't necessary, it's a game.

hewitt · Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:31 pm

I still don't see the scumteam connection VP. I think you could basically pick and choose any two that I "cleared" as town in my analyses as a "scumteam" with me if you were to pick anybody. I think it's a little random that you picked dejkha and Kreriov. It seems more to me like you were pissed at them and since I disagreed with someone you kind of lashed out at me.

hewitt · Post Post #955 (isolation #131) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:01 pm

If dejkha was lynched and flipped scum then I guess I could understand why I would look scummy in your mind. But I think that's only because you've convinced yourself that way.

hewitt · Post Post #961 (isolation #132) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:10 pm

It's not so much that I'm worried about being on your scum list but it's pretty much the first time since the beginning I was listed on being somebody's scum list so I was interested as to why. And I wasn't quite certain how you were making these connections between myself, dejkha, and Kreriov so I wanted to know.

hewitt · Post Post #968 (isolation #133) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:32 pm

I'm not any of your scum partners thank you very much.

hewitt · Post Post #970 (isolation #134) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:34 pm

But I think I know what's going on here, my guess is that dejkha thinks his time could be up shortly and so if he's scum and he is lynched he is going to take myself (a townie) down with him and protect his scum team.

hewitt · Post Post #972 (isolation #135) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:37 pm

It didn't really look that way to me.

hewitt · Post Post #974 (isolation #136) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:00 pm

At first I thought that was the first time I had read it when camn quoted it because I hadn't remembered seeing anything like that until I actually looked back and saw that it wasn't phrased the way it was quoted which confused me. I thought you had written it the way camn had quoted it and the way you were talking about it with the blah, blah actually in there.

hewitt · Post Post #976 (isolation #137) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:05 pm

That quote that camn took from you, the one that I was referring to when I was talking about you being lynched and taking me down with you. I thought she quoted it as is but when I looked back at the post it was not the way she had phrased it and something that originally looked scummy to me based on the re-phrasing she did looks slightly less scummy to me now that I've actually seen the post.

hewitt · Post Post #978 (isolation #138) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:08 pm

That.

camn wrote:ALSO.. please explain this:
dejkha 895 wrote:
You're right that hewitt very well could be my scum partner
,....blah..blah...

Compared to what was actually posted.

dejkha wrote:You're right that hewitt very well could be my scum partner, but if I really do have a meta like that that hewitts aware of, then that would put a damper on your case, wouldn't it?

And that is why I don't like it when people change around quotes.

hewitt · Post Post #982 (isolation #139) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:09 pm

Oh it definitely looks less scummy to me now. Going from that first qoute, where it looks as if you're mocking VP to the second quote where you're actually explaining a point. The use of the phrase blah blah led me to belief you were being uncooperative and mocking the points that whoever had against you.

hewitt · Post Post #985 (isolation #140) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:00 pm

This is kind of funny though because you're accusing me of being dejkha's partner if he's scum yet you and VP are kind of working as a team.

hewitt · Post Post #987 (isolation #141) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:49 pm

What about Ztife?

hewitt · Post Post #989 (isolation #142) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:23 pm

So why do you think Kreriov is scum?

hewitt · Post Post #991 (isolation #143) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:43 pm

I would agree with pretty much all of those, especially #5. The fluffy, inflated posts.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:09 am

camn wrote:
hewitt wrote:This is kind of funny though because you're accusing me of being dejkha's partner if he's scum yet you and VP are kind of working as a team.
What exactly is funny about it?

It was funny because you were pretty much accusing me of being dejkha's partner when you seemed to be working as a team with VP, it was ironic.

Ztife wrote:@ Hewitt post 987.
Hewitt, I would like to hear your opinions about me, spyrex, and acfan. Please be elaborate.

I thought I already posted my opinions of you guys in my after-vote post but I'll reiterate.

Ztife- Helpful when posting, I feel like you have good opinions but you don't post often enough to be all that helpful.

Spyrex- I pretty much hold the same opinion albeit they finally posted something that I found to be helpful...about 950 posts into the game though. And I had to ask for clarification for that post to even be posted. (If you don't know what I'm referring to it's the reasons why they feel Kreriov is scummy.)

ac1983- I don't like. Not paying close enough attention to this game I think and it is really starting to bother me that he keeps coming back and posting things such as oh I didn't know we were on D2, I'll post my thoughts when I have time.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:57 am

Well wait if it seems too convenient that maad claimed doc then why are you not still pursuing that case?

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:32 pm

VP Baltar wrote:Because no one has counterclaimed him. As I said earlier in the day, if the real doc was sitting back yesterday to get one more protection in, now is the time to come forward.

So basically if maadneet is not the real doc, the real doc needs to claim now.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:37 pm

I would find it extremely strange at this point if Kreviov and dejkha were on a scumteam that included either camn or VP.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:43 pm

I don't recall dejkha ever claiming doc?

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:03 pm

I think dejkha lied but I don't think he lied about going through your posts and looking up JK or jail cause if he had then he would've found that post. I think he looked and didn't find it.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:31 pm

Okay so I'm starting to believe that either dejkha/Kreriov or VP/camn are a scum team along with Spyrex to round out the third slot.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:50 pm

Okay VP you cannot deny that you've done quite a bit of rallying back and forth with camn. I think it would make as much sense to link you two up as to link up Krevrio and dejkha.

And this little back and forth between dejkha and zwets is giving me a headache.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:56 pm

Okay ac1983 are you going to actually give a reasoning as to why dejkha should be lynched?

*On a sidenote* Haha dejkha I'm older than you by 25 days.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:03 pm

Oooo trust me I have not cleared anyone of anything yet, don't worry bout that VP.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:56 pm

camn wrote:I find it hard to fathom that hewitt and dej would buddy up so hard as scum.. but I am getting a kind of newb-read off hewitt, so I can see it.

@ hewitt... look me up. If I were scum with VP, there is no way I would back his play like I have been. I am backing it because I think it is town-driven. That is the difference between your examples.

camn wrote:hewitt - scum

Thus, IN MY OPINION, the scum in: Hewitt, Dejkha, Ztife, ac1983.

I find it hard to fathom that hewitt and dej would buddy up so hard as scum.. but I am getting a kind of newb-read off hewitt, so I can see it.

@ hewitt... look me up. If I were scum with VP, there is no way I would back his play like I have been. I am backing it because I think it is town-driven. That is the difference between your examples.

So based on this post it seems to me that this post (and your reasoning) behind you accusing me of being scum is based on...

I'm "buddying" up hard with dejkha as scum (which you find hard to fathom) but you can see because you believe I'm a newb (...not quite sure why that is but okay).

And then you say that if you were scum you would not back his play like you have been.

First off your reasoning for not being scum does not make that much sense. Because your meta apparently says that you do not buddy up with your scum partners you are not scum in this game? If you are self-aware enough to make that distinction then you are a smart enough player to switch up your playstyle when you're scum just so that you can say, here's my meta, that is how I acted as scum in that game, that is not how I'm playing this game, therefore I am town.

Second according to that post, in which you accused me of being scum, your reasoning is because I am a newb. Newbs do not all play the same and I have had experience as both scum and town in past games enough to learn very very quickly how to play this game. My first game on this site was not a newbie game (that was on accident, seeing as how I wasn't even sure how this site ran at first) and I was scum. Won the game, learned a lot.

In short, I do not underestimate your intelligence because I know that others may underestimate mine. If you are scum it was very clever of you to point out that I may be a newb scum buddying up with my scum partner, but do you think dejkha would condone that?

It's all very WIFOM.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:16 pm

Oh no it's not misinterpreting I just figured since you labeled me as scum you'd give a reason but apparently not.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:27 pm

dejkha, if you're a townie why would you want to self-hammer?

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:27 pm

Oh, camn just said that...

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:34 pm

Do you honestly feel that's the best way to prove your point? Just because VP is going after doesn't mean you should self-hammer.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:48 pm

*Sighs* Well dejkha I don't understand why you would threaten us with self-hammering yourself. What do you want us to do about it.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:49 pm

Okay thank you camn because now, dejkha, it's not even an option. But I don't agree with the if dejkha were scum he would have self-hammered out of spite.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:52 pm

So if you think dejkha would self-hammer out of spite as scum then why would you not let him do it?

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:00 pm

I just find it a little funny that you say scum hammer out of spite all the time, because so do townies.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:09 pm

I've already stated I don't like him. I don't like the fact that he lurks consistently and when he does decide to pop up it's pretty much to add nothing of significance to this game.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:23 pm

I would not oppose an ac1983 wagon.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:21 pm

SpyreX wrote:You've gotta be kidding me

...What? do you disagree with an ac1983 wagon? Seriously why even post if you're not going to clarify.

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:33 pm

camn asked me a question and I asked accordingly. What is the big deal?

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:33 pm

*answered accordingly

hewitt · Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:39 pm

It has been like 15 posts since he unvoted, calm down dejkha doesn't even seem to be online right now and since camn was asking me questions I answered.

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:29 am

Ztife wrote:
@ Hewitt

I don't have enough time now, I will need to look back to see what hewitt has thought about Dej. If you disagree with Camn's actions, why are you not putting Dej on L-1? Why are you just going back and forth and staying in a neutral position or with weak attacks? Bussing?

Because I'm not convinced at all that dejkha is scum. I don't think the actions he's taken so far in this game are actions he would take as scum. Am I ruling him out as scum? No, of course not nobody is ruled out as scum in my book. Today has been very interesting and everybody's kind of leveling off at around the same scum level to me for completely different reasons.

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:41 am

Probably where my vote is for reasons stated. If not Spyrex then I would have to say Kreriov. I don't like this whole, hey don't go after X go after myself. It's like he's purposely deflecting the argument off dejkha onto himself because I think he thinks you won't follow through with the case on him. I also think he was generally unhelpful earlier in the game. Again, all reasons stated in my after-vote analysis, still apply with him.

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:50 am

Again, I don't know. I think if everybody in this game have made decisions, actions, or cases that would be weird if they were scum. Perhaps because he knows this might confirm him as scum and he would not want to be tomorrow's lynch. That is, as long as dejkha is town.

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:12 am

I have said before that I think there's a high possibility yourself/dejkha are in a scumteam or VP/camn are in a scumteam along with an interchangeable third (Spyrex, ac1983, zwets).

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:13 am

If you flip town I think it's very probable VP is scum.

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:24 am

VP do not act like it's unfathomable for us to believe you're scum. You very well could have inside information, we don't know that.

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:45 pm

What is a Kmd-Gambit confirmation?

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:18 pm

I don't know about everybody else, but I would never hold a theory like that in a completely different game. I do not think it's smart to compare games like that.

hewitt · Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:19 pm

Oh...and that was just a hammer wasn't it?

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:12 am

VP Baltar wrote:Gah, I am so disappointed in my scum hunting skills right now. I need to reevaluate everything. Thoughts from anyone else?

I don't even know why you had to throw that in there...

camn wrote:I agree that VP is town, based on the
KMD-Gambit Confirmation
.

I still don't understand how this makes VP town at all.

camn wrote:Furious scum self-hammer when they think they are about to get lynched. My read on Dej was that, if he were scum, he would have self hammered.

I don't agree with this as well, even though dejkha was at L-1 it was pretty clear that there were some people opposed to this wagon and it wasn't as if there was no way for him to get out of it. I also don't believe that dejkha would self-hammer himself if he was scum, he doesn't seem like that type of player to me.

VP Baltar wrote:Believe it or not, everyone on that wagon was not scum and that is because dej was acting scummy.

Oh really? And how exactly do you know that all the scum weren't on that wagon?

I'll have to think a little bit longer before posting my little after-vote analyses but as of right now I'm not liking VP's first post after today started. Seems so pre-meditated to me.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:58 am

VP Baltar wrote:Also hewitt, if you believed Spyrex or I were scum yesterday, why did you not push the cases harder?

I was not certain that Spyrex was scum but he was who I believed to be the scummiest. I don't recall saying you were scum?

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:21 am

VP Baltar wrote:Well, you seem to be leaning that way today because I was pushing for dej's case. I gathered yesterday that you didn't believe he was scum, so I don't see what really changed over night other than affirming that belief. Plus remember that you did say you could see camn and I as a scum partnership, so you must have had some belief in that.

I questioned you on that specifically because the leading wagons at the end of the day were dej and myself, and if you had any belief that I was scummier than dej it would have made sense to want me lynched instead.

You are correct that I did not believe dejkha was scum but just because you were pushing for his lynch does not automatically make you scum. I can see you/camn in a scumteam and it's very well probable in my mind but I'm not going to jump to conclusions just because dejkha flipped town. If I had believed you were scum yesterday I would've voted for you. I'm not going to mess around and vote for somebody who I don't believe is scum. I believed that it was most likely Spyrex was scum so I vote for Spyrex. I'm going to look back at yesterday along with today and if I believe you are scum I will vote for you.

The leading wagons were yourself and dejkha, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's one or the other is scum.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:23 am

zwetschenwasser wrote:
hewitt wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:Also hewitt, if you believed Spyrex or I were scum yesterday, why did you not push the cases harder?
I was not certain that Spyrex was scum but he was who I believed to be the scummiest. I don't recall saying you were scum?
AAAH!!!
Unvote; Vote: hewitt

...? Reason?

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:34 am

zwetschenwasser wrote:He's scum in my eyes, but that's ok.

Myself? Or Spyrex?

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:47 am

Yeah I'm pretty sure I made it clear that I thought you were more likely to be scum than dejkha.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:51 am

No, actually that's not what I said. I did not say that Spyrex was scum, I said that to me he seemed the scummiest. There's a big difference.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:11 am

VP Baltar wrote:Ok, then that is my point. I hate advocating anyone voting for me, but if you're town it would make sense for you to pursue the wagon of the person who you thought was most likely to be scum out of the leading wagons. Why leave your vote on Spyrex when no one else was going to vote him? If you thought dej was more town than me, then you should have wanted me lynched instead, even if there was a chance I was also town. It doesn't make any sense to standyby and let someone you think is town to be lynched when you think there is a better candidate.

What??? That makes absolutely no sense to me at all, yesterday I would've advocated a Spyrex, zwets, or camn wagon in that order. Then a toss up between yourself and Kreriov. So why would I have voted for you over dejkha when I thought there were other players who were scummier than the two of you? I'm going to target who I think is the most likely to be scum. I didn't end up spending enough time on Spyrex because there were so many other distractions, questions, and arguments back and forth between myself and other players (including yourself) that I didn't get to focus as much attention as I would've liked to on him. But trust me today that is not going to happen.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:42 am

How? How did it have to be between yourself or dejkha? I don't think we were anywhere close to a deadline, the day ended really quickly in my opinion. I think certain players MADE it be between yourself and dejkha and I really don't like that. I think it's pretty anti-town saying you can only have this person or this person continuining on to the next day.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:25 am

Kreriov wrote:Hewitt, why did you try to rush the Mufasa lynch? You posted deadlines as to when you were going to lhammer him without regard for him trying to claim or to take into allowance that others might not have time to actually see what was going on. Has Hewitt answered that one?

As for asking mufasa to claim I've never asked anyone to claim and that's not because I don't think it's important I just always forget about it. Which is not a good thing don't take me wrong. I thought he was scum so I wanted to hammer him.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:40 am

I didn't want to rush the lynch, that was why I gave a lot of time considering a lot of people were online and posting at the time. Perhaps it wasn't the best thing to do to say after t'ai chi I'm going to hammer but at the time I was frustrated with mufasa.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:05 am

VP Baltar wrote:Why are you ignoring the question I posed to you? who was going to be the lynch yesterday if it wasn't dej or I?

Is this question for me?

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:19 am

Again, I don't think the lynch had to be between yourself and dejkha but I think you two pretty much made it all about yourselves. Kreriov also contributed greatly to this I think.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:36 pm

Wait, what? camn a lurker lynch is unacceptable at this point of the game, you've got to come up with a better reason then that.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:44 pm

Yeah I don't think the gambit is brilliant at all.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:55 pm

Okay well I don't quite care if you pout. I'd rather understand what this gambit significance to this game is.

hewitt · Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:07 pm

Yeah I really don't think it is that significant to this game.

hewitt · Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:14 am

Kreriov wrote:She jumps off Dejkha and goes to ac1983fan to see if scum would follow her? Why would they UNLESS Dejkha is scum? Why would they leave a wagon on a townie that is oh so close to success whatever ac1983fans alignment? And talk about execution! Even if Camn was seriously trying this gambit and not just coming up with an excuse after the fact, how the hell does she expect it to work when she barely gets any kind of a case going against ac1983fan and then just drops it to hammer dejkha only a day later?

Huh, that's an interesting point.

hewitt · Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:13 am

You know what, at this point I think there's a great possibility of a camn, VP, and Spyrex scumteam.

camn is falling back on this silly gambit argument that I truthfully do not follow whatsoever and I don't think it really is relatable to this game at all. And is even admitting that this argument is kind of weak. Oh and she's now saying that VP she thinks VP is town which is so strange in my opinion considering all that one or the other is scum talk the previous day.

VP is now totally abandoning camn and trying to buddy up on Kreriov a bit. I can see him trying to put a little bit of distance between himself and camn, possibly because there seems to be some pressure on camn and if camn is caught scum he does not want to be brought down with her. On top of that he's trying to make the last day as a well it was going to be between myself and dejkha anyways so that's not my fault (although Kreriov helped this along as well). I don't like posts 1254 and 1256, it's like this tentative little olive branch being offered like oh let's just forget about all our previous arguments in the past.

And Spyrex is missing in action and hasn't said anything at all today. And all of my reasons for voting for you yesterday still apply.

Vote: VP Baltar

Probably my most confident vote of the game, which is right when we need it to.

hewitt · Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:48 am

Okay first of all don't tell me that if you were scum you would be pushing to lynch him, I find it ridiculous when people say that because how the hell are we supposed to know that? And I also did not say at all that camn was close to being lynched or anything like that, I said you're distancing yourself from camn due to pressure being put on her. Those are two totally different things. And I still don't get why you keep saying there were two potential lynches and that's exactly my point. Every single person is a potential lynch in this game and you are again making it a me or dejkha lynch.

We're 51 posts in this game, and this day has been going on for a little bit over two days. There is nothing early about this game and we're getting close to the late of the game if things don't go better.

And finally don't tell me you feel bad that dejkha flipped town.

hewitt · Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:18 pm

LOL...squirrel syndrome...

Alright well with your list of reasonings you give for your suspicions on Kreriov, Spyrex, I would agree with #2, agree that #5 is annoying but not a reason for voting for him, and totally disagree with #4 in that it was a left-field rationale.

hewitt · Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:59 pm

Uh, yeah with three scum out there I don't exactly think it would be a good idea to out our jailkeeper. Not quite sure why we would do that intentionally at this point.