Open 111- Immunity Mafia: Mod abandon

[Empking's Alt]

/confirm

[Empking's Alt]

Vote: Wall-E

TPAM

[Empking's Alt]

The Person Above Me.

[Empking's Alt]

Unvote

Vote: animorpherv1

We all know the roles but Ani is trying to trick us into thinking they mean something than they really mean.

[Empking's Alt]

What post is that?

[Empking's Alt]

Yeah that's not a trap, I wouldn't even call it a stratergy. I'd argue its a necissity.

Is the Fake Day Vig a trap?

[Empking's Alt]

Dej: Has it occured to you, that you think wrong?

[Empking's Alt]

Whose input have I included?

[Empking's Alt]

I've given input, if it isn't my own input then it must be somebody else's. Whose input is it?

[Empking's Alt]

Double that actually.

Unvote
Vote: Dej

I was willing to let his [do this scum benefitting action] slide bcause it might have been a mistake. I think he's made it cler that it wasn't a mistake.

Now Dej: Whose input was it?

[Empking's Alt]

No its because he posted:

How do you feel about everyone (the ones that are posting anyway)?

What are your thoughts on everyone that have been posting?

So how about you stop avoiding what I asked of you and tell me.

His lie about my number of posts was a secondary factor.

Don: Letting scum get away with making unbacked claims is BAD.

[Empking's Alt]

Not your own.

Doesn't imply that I'm using someone elses.

EBWOP: I meant "You've posted about 4 posts".

You've posted about 4 posts

Is present tense. Check when he wrote this I had posted eight posts.

[Empking's Alt]

IMO Red Herring = Something that seems relevent to a "mystery" but isn't.

[Empking's Alt]

t;]

Not your own.

Doesn't imply that I'm using someone elses.

Exactly.

So who's.

EBWOP: I meant "You've posted about 4 posts".

Is present tense. Check when he wrote this I had posted eight posts.

Check when I said you haven't had much input.

No I don't think I shall. You sid 4 posts when I didn't have 4 posts. You didn't say 4 posts at the much input post.

Vote: Emp

until you decide to stop stalling.

Cough *OMGUS" Cough.

[Empking's Alt]

i just read emp's posts. i think dej has a valid point here.

vote: empking's alt

Don: Letting scum get away with making unbacked claims is BAD.

i feel like you are trying to mislead me here. what unbacked claim did he have? your number of posts? because you said that was a secondary issue. what was the first issue, that he asked you for input, of which you have none to speak of?

What valid point.

You were saying (paraphrased) "Don't be rude let scum make unbacked claims."

[Empking's Alt]

Anyone else notice how he still has yet to answer me? Empking I'd really recommend responding to what I initially asked of you. It won't have a good result if you don't.

Add this to the other three quotes.

[Empking's Alt]

Why do you think, you might be going insane?

[Empking's Alt]

What point?

[Empking's Alt]

t;]

Not your own.

Doesn't imply that I'm using someone elses.

Exactly.

So whose?

[Empking's Alt]

Stop ignoring the questions.

[Empking's Alt]

I think the first quote is you saying that I used someone else's input.

Wht question do you want an answer for?

Why is that the most ironic post? Why are you still ignoring them?[/u]

[Empking's Alt]

No, I want

you

to tell me.

Why are you reluctant to?

[Empking's Alt]

But I have told you. About four times. If you read the thread, you'd know that. Consider this the last time. What are your thoughts on everyone so far? Who do you think is scum and who do you think is pro-town and why?

Add this to the other quotes.

For non-Dej people: Telling the scum your reads on people (save when you replace in) is anti-town.

Dej is repeatedly trying to make me do an anti-town action.

[Empking's Alt]

You don't think helping the scum to know who they should NK, suspect ect is anti-town.

Do you post useless posts?

Oh yeah, why was my post ironic?

[Empking's Alt]

I disagree Empking Alt, There is no harm is sharing your thoughts, otherwise what is the point of being town? The only power we have is with our minds and voices.

You it would seem are using neither
therfore....you are probably scum.

So you support claiming out of the blue?

[Empking's Alt]

You don't think helping the scum to know who they should NK, suspect ect is anti-town.

Do you post useless posts?

Oh yeah, why was my post ironic?

Scum, for the most part, decide who lives and who to kill based on what others of each other. Your opinions alone aren't really a deciding factor for them.

The opinions of the town makes a big difference to them.

Your post was ironic because you told me to stop ignoring question, while you still haven't answered mine.

But did I ignore it?

Also, why didn't you anseer my question?

[Empking's Alt]

I disagree with Empking's Alt's logic and reason for voting dek. If someone doesn't give opinions on what's happening, they are hindering the scumhunting process and looking opportunistic if they jump on a lynch wagon all of a sudden.

When did he ask for opinions on events?

Quote please.

[Empking's Alt]

How do you feel about everyone (the ones that are posting anyway)?

That's

people

. Do you know the difference between events and people?

[Empking's Alt]

How do you feel about everyone (the ones that are posting anyway)?

That's

people

. Do you know the difference between events and people?

Semantics, semantics, semantics.
The point is, dej wanted your opinion on

something

game related, be it events or people. You kind of can't talk about one without the other.

This nitpicking is getting annoying.

Please, Caboose I expect better from you. Events and People are very different. It isn't nitpicking at all.

Dej: Answer all the questions and don't strawman or do irrelevant anecdotes.

[Empking's Alt]

Instead of constantly attacking perhaps you can answer some questions Empking's Alt?

I'd be able to do it better if people asked me (non-scummy) questions.

[Empking's Alt]

The only other event I see is the Zwet one. I think the arguments against him are poor.

[Empking's Alt]

All of them.

[Empking's Alt]

Do you post useless posts?

But did I ignore it?

Also, why didn't you answer my question?

[Empking's Alt]

Also, has anyone else noticed the newest registered user? Lol

Can you explain to me how this post is useful?

[Empking's Alt]

Again Semantics. For all the arguments the game has had with with dejkha, he has answered questions, put down his suspicions and discribed his strategy. Whether we agree or disagree is not the point here.

You, on the other hand, have been evasive and aggresive, and though the case against you is not strong, your tone and style of play has made me more suspicious of you than of dejkha.

Explain how its semantics.

[Empking's Alt]

It wasn't part of the game? You mean that he didn't post it in the thread? Because if so you're wrong.

[Empking's Alt]

Do yuou think the case on me is the strongest? (Forget about what you think of me as a person.)

[Empking's Alt]

Ad hom doesn't help the town.

BTW, I wasn't being selfish. I was going out of my way to help them.

Bej, Ani and (far behind) Caboose.

[Empking's Alt]

Bej and Ani, I explained when I voted them or the post after.

Caboose: He isn't posting like I'd expect expienced town to react.

[Empking's Alt]

Empking is always an anti-town bastard, even when he's town.

Refusing to do anti-town actions because one scum asked you to is not anti-town. Nor is voting the scum for it.

KMD: Do you really not think the difference between events and people are large?

[Empking's Alt]

KMD: Is saying that events and people are the same and I'm just arguing semantics. I think otherwise. (I'm not sure if KMD knows that events can't be killed and don't have roles.)

[Empking's Alt]

Unvote

Vote: Kieran

That sounds like you're supporting a lynch based on factors other than suspected role.

[Empking's Alt]

be claiming right now.

Please, Caboose I expect better from you. Events and People are very different.

It isn't nitpicking at all.

Yes it is.

[Empking's Alt]

Who told you I was impossible to read?

[Empking's Alt]

Please, Caboose I expect better from you. Events and People are very different.

It isn't nitpicking at all.

Yes it is.

It's two different things. I agree. At the same time, you are nitpicking. It's not an important detail in context.

Yes it is. The context was showing that someone else was lying/under the wrong impression. Its was extraordinarily important.

[Empking's Alt]

I think Empking is trying to get us into WIFOM.

Unvote; Vote: Empking

Is that a joke That better be a joke (The reason not the vore.)

Kieran: Avoided answering what questions. Quotes please.

[Empking's Alt]

K explained the reasons very well. Quotes are useless if you can't explain them.

How am I trying to get the town to use WIFOM. Quotes please.

[Empking's Alt]

Your meta, and how we should lynch you or not based on your meta.

Quotes please.

[Empking's Alt]

No.

Yes.

[Empking's Alt]

Dej, Empking is at L-7, and the case on him isn't strong enough for a lynch.

Are you ok with your vote? If so, what is the difference between your current vote on Emp and your earlier non-vote on Zwet?

The only difference is that you were the first vote here, where you would have been 4th on Zwet. I don't think that being 4th on a wagon is a scumtell, but I'm curious what the difference is here.

The difference, to me, is that while at first I tried to start a discussion with Zwet with something minor, Emp continually refused to add a useful post and was arguing with me about the number of posts I said he made, which is ridiculous on its own, and eventually voted for me because of it.
.

Quotes please.

[Empking's Alt]

Dej, Empking is at L-7, and the case on him isn't strong enough for a lynch.

Are you ok with your vote? If so, what is the difference between your current vote on Emp and your earlier non-vote on Zwet?

The only difference is that you were the first vote here, where you would have been 4th on Zwet. I don't think that being 4th on a wagon is a scumtell, but I'm curious what the difference is here.

The difference, to me, is that while at first I tried to start a discussion with Zwet with something minor, Emp continually refused to add a useful post and was arguing with me about the number of posts I said he made, which is ridiculous on its own, and eventually voted for me because of it.
.

Quotes please.

...

Are you

trying

to be annoying?

Its the easiest way to show that he's lying.

[Empking's Alt]

Are you

trying

tp be annoying?

Why even make a statement like that? It in itself is pretty negative. What kind of reaction do you expect? You're certainly not going to get a positive reaction in response to a negative statement.

Please try not to incite more bickering. I think we could do without the infighting amongst ourselves.

Unvote

vote: Hohum

Fake quote.

[Empking's Alt]

Still against me?

[Empking's Alt]

unvote

vote: Kieraen

[Empking's Alt]

Quotes please.

Read the thread for your quotes. This is what's doing it for me, people. It seems like he's never reading the thread. If he's been reading, he wouldn't need quotes so often and he wouldn't need to ask questions about what I'm saying 3-5 times. Seriously, Emp, read the damn thread for your answers and read it to see who agreed with me. Anyone that's been reading knows my post was true, since it doesn't come down to opinion.

Unvote

vote: Hohum

Fake quote.

Do you see how he changes his vote for every little thing? It seems like constant OMGUS' with him. It's like he's trying to get lynched.

I ask for quotes when I know that there aren't any quotes.

You don't think fake quotes are scummy?

[Empking's Alt]

Are you for real.

He's saying I'm bad for voting Dcorbe because later after my vote, Dcorbe gave an excuse.

[Empking's Alt]

I'm being for real when I say this: Your nit-picking is unhelpfully banal. Fix that.

I strongly doubt Empking would appreciate you dragging his name through the mud like this.

Quote examples of nit-picking.

Dej is saying that I shouldn't have voted Dcorbe because he gave a reason. I don't think its nipicking to point out that Dej's argument is BS.

[Empking's Alt]

[sarcasm]Omg, he can't keep his alt and his main account straight. OMG Obv Scum. And he's defending himself from false accusations. OMG Scum.[/sarcasm]

Jahudo: When did I ask for a quote and got an acceptable quote?

Jahudo: What would you prefer to happen.

You: You did X
Me: Nuh huh

Or

Bob: You did X
Me: Show me the quote.
Bob: Oh, I can not show you the quote because that point is BS.

[Empking's Alt]

Post 367 is after when I asked that question. Try again. (Unless that was a joke.)

4 and 8 have a big differrence. Especially when we consider that 4 was probably average at the time.

KMD: I wanted to know if Dcorbe ould keep with the "its my post" or admit his mistake.

[Empking's Alt]

I'd say that at the time 8 posts was a lot. I'd argue top 25%.

I don't like to assume, pus if someone was skimming, with Dcorb's admittance and my objection, they might get the wrong idea.

[Empking's Alt]

As I've already stated, if Empking simply acknowledges that he's being a pain I'll likely unvote him and reattach to zwet. I can totally see Empking's side of the issue, but there is a point at which we, as a town, have to punish people for being all loud defense and zero offense.

Good post, Zorblag.

You want me to apologize.

I'm sorry.

Block: Stop with the ad hom, it doesn't hel;p the town.

Zwet: Come up with a quote, change your reasons or unvote.

Dej: In all seriousness, are you retarded or otherwise mentally ill?

Oh, yeah: If we don't count RVs as useful, 7 out of those eight.

[Empking's Alt]

As Dej lacks a meta, gthat was my best way to see if "He asks people to back things up with quotes, that is well scummy" was scummy for him.

[Empking's Alt]

Unvote

Vote: Dej

Kieran hasn't done much lately and Dej is still as scummy as he's always been.

[Empking's Alt]

Questions for everyone:
1. Do you feel safe having someone at L-6?
2. Is it dangerous to add more even if you aren't ready to lynch?
3. Or are they not feeling enough pressure to care they're at L-6?

1.Yes.
2.No.
3.They should be.

Wow, that post made it look like you've never played this game before...

vote dejkha

So what have you been doing that's scummy?

Is this intentional?

Yes
No
Depends on the reasons.

[Empking's Alt]

Questions for everyone:
1. Do you feel safe having someone at L-6?
2. Is it dangerous to add more even if you aren't ready to lynch?
3. Or are they not feeling enough pressure to care they're at L-6?

Yes, no, no.

But mostly I posted to

Vote: Empking's Alt

. I find zwet and Dej to be slightly scummy, but I find that I expect their arguments to make some sort of rational sense, so that if they start veering off, then that's a signal. That is, I can evaluate them better.

Whereas on Empking, after 19 pages, the only read I have on him is that he's abrasive and pedantic. I'm falling into the "I don't care if it's his meta" camp -- just like town shouldn't lie because it just confuses other town, stirring the mud up doesn't hurt the mafia nearly as much as it does the town.

You think "He asks for quotes which is obviously the pro-town thing to do" makes sense.

Oh, yeah. I think these are the arguments against me (tell me if I'm missing any.)

1. Asks for quotes.
2. I'm using meta (Note that there are no quotes to back that up.)
3. I gave an insincere apology. No proof to back that up.

[Empking's Alt]

I should've clarified. Support your answers with proof from the thread.

Proof, you mean quotes!!!!

Yeah, Dej is obv scum.

[Empking's Alt]

FoS is not a good case to lynch dejkha. And Empking isn't only being annoying, he's distracting the game, and trying to get us into a WIFOM, which is scummier that his usual self.

Quotes, please.

[Empking's Alt]

So I'm curious, who thinks it would help more if I flip town and who thinks it would help more if I flip scum? They'd both be helpful in their own way, I think, but which one more so?

Scum.

[Empking's Alt]

Vote: Empking's Alt

My feeling yesterday was that his asking for quotes showed he hadn't been reading the game or cared to read back on his own call into question anything being brought forward.
with ending the day or were you hoping on being wrong about Dej?

Asking for quotes is not a scum tell.

[Empking's Alt]

Asking for quotes is not a scum tell.

Nice strawman.

Jahudo is voting me due to asking for quotes. Its not a strawman.

Jahudo: No, they

ASK

for quotes when somebody makes a false case against someone.

[Empking's Alt]

Anybody voting for Empking's Alt or casting suspicion on Empking's Alt needs to realize that he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING overtly scummy (with the small exception of asking one player to stop using ad hom and then IN THE SAME POST he asked someone else if they were retarded... hypocrisy is not a scumtell in this case) and I would very much like to see someone - ANYONE - who has cast suspicion on Empking's Alt explain how and why he is scummy in-depth.

Wall-E - The retarded thing was a serious question. One of the big scum tells (in my eyes) wouldn't be a scum tell if he was retarded. Their wasn't a meta on him so I just asked. (You'll note that when he didn't say he was, I voted him.)

[Empking's Alt]

I could've sworn I'd already voted today.

Vote: Zwets

- For making up false claims, refusing to back it up and continuing to persue when he knew it was wrong.

[Empking's Alt]

Its day 2. You don't go "who's the most anti-town" on day 2. You shouldn't do it on day 1 either really.

[Empking's Alt]

I'm supposedly not scum hunting. That's not true.

My vote on Hohum - Scum hunting
The one on kieran - Scum hunting

Wall- E: What scum hunting has Kieraen done?

[Empking's Alt]

@Mod: I think you have two lists going for votes on Empking's Alt.

Jahudo is voting me due to asking for quotes. Its not a strawman.

No. I'm voting you because the extent of your understanding of, and participation in, this game looks like its limited to OMGUS.

Do you know what OMGUS is? I don't think you do.

[Empking's Alt]

his guilt or innocence does not affect your own, emp

So, he didn't do any. Good we agree. So, you're joining a bandwagon with poor reasons. That's a scum tell of your's.

[Empking's Alt]

er, just got my games crossed up, my bad

the vote stays though

hohum's point is valid

That's where you gave your reason.

Dcorbe: Purposely reducing your odds to win this game in order to win another in the future is against the rules of this site.

[Empking's Alt]

Why aren't you punishing Kieran?

Why aren't you punishing yourself?

[Empking's Alt]

I thought that the admittance made it less scummy.

Oh really? I couldn't tell you thought that because you seemed to say the opposite:

Do you see how he changes his vote for every little thing? It seems like constant OMGUS' with him. It's like he's trying to get lynched.

You don't think fake quotes are scummy?

It looks like you're pushing that hohum's fake qoute is scummy even after you unvoted him. Where did you say his admittance that he was wrong made it less scummy, other than your unvote? Why did you vote hohum, not pressure him at all, then immediately drop your vote? It looks like insincere outrage.

Can you give me a definition of OMGUS.

Voting someone primarily because they voted for you. I'll admit that I used an inaccurate terminology to describe the suspicious thing you did. But you still did a suspicious thing. I just need a better word for it.

I voted him before he admitted and I defended putting a vote on him.

The unvote says it all.

The vote was pressure. The fact that you presumed it wasn't when you asked the question is scummy.

You call it incorrect terminology. I call it a false case.

[Empking's Alt]

Why didn't you answer the question?

[Empking's Alt]

Why didn't you answer the question?

Why didn't you answer the question?

Also, I was using the present tense not the future tense. Also, why was the second question silly?

[Empking's Alt]

Hoscum is better. It rhymes.

[Empking's Alt]

Why didn't you answer the question?

Why didn't you answer the question?

Also, I was using the present tense not the future tense. Also, why was the second question silly?

You didn't ask one. Questions end in a question-mark.

See how unhelpful I'm being? That's what I'm voting for you for. Being unhelpful to anyone but yourself.

How am I unhelpful. Just off the top of my head, I've made "cases" on a lot of people, I've asked a lot of useful questions and I gor Scummy mcScumscum to admit faking a quote.

Also don't lie.

Why didn't you answer the question

?

Wall-E: Why don't you do anything other than bandwagon and come up with nicknames?

[Empking's Alt]

Give evidence that I'm not useful.

[Empking's Alt]

Emp, please elaborate on my false claims you say I've made, and Caboose, stop taking my mistake as a scumtell.

Your "mistake" is not the scumtell. The scumtell is the cover-your-butt technique that you crap attacked Kmd.

No. I'm voting you because the extent of your understanding of, and participation in, this game looks like its limited to OMGUS. [this was in response to Empking's "I'm not strawmanning Jahudo].

^This. Emp is definitely strawmanning Jahudo.
+scumpoints

You prefer policy lynches to scum lynches? Unvote; Vote: Hohum

Mod: Please rename this game "Strawman Mafia"

+scumpoints for zwet

penultimate post = angry scum because I uncovered his ploy.

Who are you talking about?

You can't blame me for somebody else retroavtively changing their reasons.

Every player in this game (save me, I'm just bad, you guys don't seem to understand the game) should go back to the newbie queue.

Light-Kun: Am I right in thinking that you're voting me for defending myself?

[Empking's Alt]

How do you do bullet points?

[Empking's Alt]

KMD: You do it as well.

[Empking's Alt]

Zwets:
/ making up false claims
/refusing to back it up
/continuing to persue when he knew it was wrong
/"joking" about mod kills

[Empking's Alt]

1.

I think Empking is trying to get us into WIFOM.

Unvote; Vote: Empking

2. Give a quote where I

refused

to back up a claim.

4. Proof please

[Empking's Alt]

1. I think it was one of the best cases we've seen day 2.
2. See my last two posts.
3. I don't quote that much. The last time I quoted, I was asked to.

[Empking's Alt]

Why?

[Empking's Alt]

Hohum: Give a quote where you contributed day 2 (and no, trying to convince the actual town to break the rules is not contributing.)

[Empking's Alt]

Zwets:

Why?

[Empking's Alt]

Zwets:

Why?

[Empking's Alt]

Thadrimal: Who suggested MC?

I think it might be an idea to get a roleblocker claim. If their is no roleblocker claim then we would know we would have two doctors and act accordingly.

[Empking's Alt]

Zorblag: Do you think you are suggesting MC? Do you think its unreasonable to not consider it mass claim?

[Empking's Alt]

Zwet:
This

I should

clarify

what I want slightly as well.

and this tell a different stoy.

of who suggested the MC (clearly myself) indicates that he's posting without reading the thread which doesn't help the situation at all.

[Empking's Alt]

I don't agree with the group claim as I don't think its the best use of our resources. I don't think it'd be horrible though.

[Empking's Alt]

Vanilla

[Empking's Alt]

If he has a proper reson then its not OMGUS.

[Empking's Alt]

And on the other hand, the scum's pool of targets is now five. This was a crap idea and I hate you all.

Not true if the scum decide to try and take each other out. The scum are each other's biggest threat, not the town.

Not in this game.

[Empking's Alt]

And on the other hand, the scum's pool of targets is now five. This was a crap idea and I hate you all.

Not true if the scum decide to try and take each other out. The scum are each other's biggest threat, not the town.

Not in this game.

Yes. In this game.

The town almost completely controls the lynch and the scum NK won't last long. The scum would be more focused on killing their power roles that the other team.

[Empking's Alt]

This is annoying, this is part of the reason why I didn't support MC.

[Empking's Alt]

Wall- E: Why did you MC?

[Empking's Alt]

If Wall-E purposely told an untruth, that's a lie.

[Empking's Alt]

If Wall-E purposely told an untruth, that's a lie.

do you think he lied, seeing as how he has posted two untruths in the past several pages?

or, has wall-e just "accidentally" made two mistakes in regards to the situation?

I thnk he did.

[Empking's Alt]

animorph and magisterrain. we've been talking about it last page. where have you been emp and hohum?

Waiting for everyone tpo claim.

[Empking's Alt]

Vote: Hohum