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...I'm getting FoSed already?Battle Mage wrote:Seraphim wrote:Vote: Hooplafor not liking it when people talk to each other about important game issues.FoS: Seraphim
I think you just missed the point entirely. Opportunism much?
BM
I finid it odd that you're calling me out for being "oppurtunistic" for jumping/starting a bandwagon for a possible in-game reason, when stuff like that happens all the time in the random phrase for absolutely no reason at all. Sure, my logic may be faulty, but why call me out for it now, during the part of the game that tends to just be silliness?-
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Hey, sweet. Read(and further reread) completed! And guess what? I have a major problem with SensFan's logic and an ever greater problem with Puta Puta. Before I delve into that, though, I think it would be best if I cleared up any sort of confusion I created back in the beginning of the game.
When I put down my vote, I assumed that Hoopla's quote...
had meant that he didn't like conversations. When BM laid down the FoS, I tried to figure why the hell he was putting on me; why wasn't my vote valid? I couldn't figure it out, so I made my post afterwards. BM offered to retract his FoS if I unvoted, and since there must be a reason for it all, I unvoted. Then I realized why I was under fire from BM about it; he was quoting that to say that he wasDon't like this. Although the random voting stage isn't particularly vital,it can often help jumpstart conversation, get reactions going, etc.This vote provides no information to the town that can be discussed later.....trying to fish for reactions. So now I'm beating myself up because I caused trouble for myself because I was too daft to realize that Hoopla voted No-Lynch to fish for reactions.
Now, SensFan, I really don't like the entire idea of 'he voted No-Lynch, let's lynch him'. I can see where you're coming from, but since then, he hasn't done anything remarkably scummy. I also don't like how you're changing your vote around as you read through the game. Clearly, I'm not the only one who has a problem with this. However, I don't find it as scummy as some of the others do.
But I have a definite problem with Puta Puta. Lurk, much?
Um...cool? How many other games are you in?zomg i totally forgot about this thread O_o
This post bears little or no content that actually pertains to anything. Unless you can explain how it does?"Ye gods, it doth amaze me,
A man of such a feeble temper should
So get the start of the majestic world,
And bear the palm alone."
Yes, let's all vote SensFan.
Why? This is your first post with content that pertains to the game and it is incredibly...scummy? It's pretty much saying "Let's all vote SensFan for no reason without me actually voting for SensFan at all!"
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Arguments about game theory mostly. Also, Yos has compiled a list of lurkers and one has openly stated that he won't post.Natirasha wrote:So, what have I missed?
i have posted i have been reading i have nothing of substance to post, untill something pops up that i need to adress i prefer to stay out of the way-
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When did you make this list? Nat has since returned and tubby has made several comments pretty much confirming that he is a lurker who needs to be lynched. Militant has also made several comments and is participating. Sensfan has posted quite a few times. Are you reading this game, BM?Battle Mage wrote:Screw it, i'll post it anyway.
Non-Contributors
Puta Puta – Deliberately lurking. Has been seen on site, in New York Forum, but not posted once.
GeorgeCarlin – 2 posts so far-both full of content, but silence for the last few days. Poorly reasoned opening vote-construed to look like more than a random one. I kinda like the way he is watching people who follow his vote, but his reasoning for this is again poor.
Xyzzy – Playing for time. Lurker.
Sensfan – Responded to Prod today. No other posts.
Panda – Not posted thus far. Either absent, or lurking.
ZTR – Seems lazy. Hasn’t posted any content so far. Not sure if he intends to play for the full duration.
Natirasha – Random Self-Vote. Unlimited V/LA since then.
Killa Seven – Posted once-no content. Fairly standard for him.
Tubby – Made a random vote, and has been legitimately V/LA since.
Militant – Nothing insightful so far. Has been nearly active enough at this point and legitimately V/LA, but promised comments and has not delivered within his self-imposed time limit.
Unvote, Vote: Puta Puta
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Um...Sir T? Didn't I answer your question...? Hold on, let me check...
Oh. I didn't.
The main reason is because
A. I wasn't sure at the time why I was being FoSed
B. I had never encountered a situation like that before. My Mafia experience is still a tad limited...and I found the situation strange. Not sure what to do, I unvoted, which seemed like the safe route...but it also felt too safe.
C. Paranoia, which is good when you're playing this game.
I'm sad to have to
Unvote
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For acting exactly like Puta. If it's a falseclaim, we'll know soon enough. Congrats, Puta Puta. If you're not scum, you're more than likely dying tonight due to your claim and awful play! 8D If you don't die tonight, please, be sure to give us results every single morning. Or we will lynch you.
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I like my vote where it is. Der Hammer's lack of actual content until he was attacked leads me to believe he is active-lurking. His miller claim smells. I'd be a lot less willing to lynch him if his miller claim had come closer to the beginning of the game rather than when he was attacked. Instead, it only comes when he is attacked. Therefore, I like my vote.-
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Fine, you can lynch me. I won't vote self-vote, but if really think I'm the right lynch, go for it. I've never had it happen before.
I still think Der Hammer is the best lynch for the day and I will post a large content-filled post saying why and hopefully overturning the case against me...but, that's wishful thinking. Post will be forthcoming.-
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Alright, answer my question: WHAT ARE YOUR QUESTIONS, CKD? IF you want them answered that badly, you should be able to rewrite them for me. Though I may unintentionally answer them in the following post.CKD wrote:yep, fine with my vote...he refuses to answer my questions....in that forthcoming post, there shoul dbe answers...I doubt it though
First of all, Claus's case.
Yeah, I do remember that case. I just wanted it again because I didn't feel like digging it out. Plus, it allows me to see the case in retrospect to everything that has happened so far.Claus wrote:I think I have posted my case against you on my first "reading post", but I will be happy to repeat it.
I'll get to this in a moment. I want to cover the below part first.Claus wrote:- Your reason for jumping in the DerHammer wagon is scummy - you voted him because you though his play was "bad play".
It was a misunderstanding that I understand now. I think I explained myself in a post.Claus wrote:- Your behavior from page 1-3 is also scummy. You jumped in an early bandwagon - which isn't bad at all - but then you got touchy when someone called you on it. And then when pressioned by BM, you backtracked and unvoted.
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I will admit, my activity has been lacking. This game got behind me, which is one reason I wouldn't mind getting lynched. However, there are still scum to find and I want to help find them.Claus wrote:- After that, all you did was pipe in every now and then to vote a random lurker (putaputa, then tubby (2 posts later), then puta puta again, then K7).
Alright, then. Now is the time I post my case on Der Hammer and explain my reasons for voting him, now and then.Claus wrote:If you think lynching you is a bad idea, you can help it by telling my your general impressions on other players - something other than "so and so is a lurker, let's lynch him".
Back when I voted him, he had just made a miller claim and had voted for himself. When I said 'bad play', I actually meant scummy play. If he was really a miller, why would he self-vote? Town never should self-vote. I felt this was scummy enough to warrant my vote.
I have a question, though. If we're talking about unwarranted votes, there have been quite a few thrown in my direction. Der Hammer is one of these votes. There are some others:
Hoopla - Why do you want me to claim so badly?
Der Hammer - Do you have more reasons than the deadline to vote me?
Nat - Why are you voting me? Your post voting for me complains about post length and that's all.
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Here's the post with the case in it.Claus wrote:
You may be scum, but you have a sense of humourSeraphim wrote:To answer your question, I'm not voting myself because that's not smart in the slightest.
I think I have posted my case against you on my first "reading post", but I will be happy to repeat it.I would also like to know why you want me lynched so badly. I'm not sure where you posted your case against me.
- Your reason for jumping in the DerHammer wagon is scummy - you voted him because you though his play was "bad play".
- Your behavior from page 1-3 is also scummy. You jumped in an early bandwagon - which isn't bad at all - but then you got touchy when someone called you on it. And then when pressioned by BM, you backtracked and unvoted.
- After that, all you did was pipe in every now and then to vote a random lurker (putaputa, then tubby (2 posts later), then puta puta again, then K7).
If you think lynching you is a bad idea, you can help it by telling my your general impressions on other players - something other than "so and so is a lurker, let's lynch him".
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So you defended Puta for his claim, but now you don't believe his claim anymore? If you believed his claim then, why do you think I have to confirm/deny it now?
Also, if the claim made you unvote puta, what was the reason you were voting him in the first place? Lack of content? I guess I cannot be accused of that - what I think about the game now is quite in the clear. Does any of my current opinions makes you think I'm scum/a good lynch?-
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Exactly.skitzer wrote:That's what I thought afterwards. And it's not very town play IMO.
My case may feel like "I'm about to be lynched, attack the other possible lynchee!"
But you'll quickly notice that I've had my vote on Der Hammer for quite some time. You should also notice that Der Hammer has been using the same sort of play since he claimed.
That being said, if you are not voting for myself or Der Hammer, voting now is the best thing you can do. Even though I'm town, a no-lynch is not going to help the town in the slightest. If you're not voting, VOTE NOW.-
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I don't know how many more days we have until deadline. But these people who are sitting in the middle of the fence need to get the hell off the fence and commit a vote to myself or Der Hammer. Unless you think you can start another bandwagon that's viable, these are the only two actual bandwagons. A no lynch doesn't help anyone at this point; we need to lynch someone, even if it's me.-
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I claim vanilla townie.
I have no special powers. Nothing special about me in the slightest. If I am investigated, I will turn up innocent. If I am killed or lynched, I will come up as a vanilla townie.
There's my claim. Nothing terribly interesting about it, but at least you're not lynching a power role, right?-
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Hi.
I'm aware of the general situation as I follow the games I die in. I'm going to check back and see other claims.
I'm still a miller, unfortunately. That's my(Der Hammer's) claim on D1 and it still is now. I'm going to reread back a few days and stuff and collect myself so I can offer a good case and get a good read for the remaining players. Gut says iamusername, but gut has been wrong often.
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Argument From Repetition
Could Der Hammer be a mafia goon in a mafia that has a living doctor in it?why not Iamusername-Der Hammer?I'm having trouble imagining a scum group that doesn't include Der Hammer.I see that you've made 15 posts on this site since your last post in this game. Are you stalling?
And this is just today. I'm not an expert or particularly good at this game yet compared to some other players. However, I'm smart enough to see this: you aren't willing to admit other possible scum pairs. My predecessor lurked like crazy, true, but I am not my predecessor.I'd much rather lynch Seraphim. His continued greater level of activity in other games just re-enforces the scumminess of Der Hammer's lurking and miller claim.
1. I think possibility 2 is more likely because it was unclear who OGML would vig that night. There was plenty of suspicion to go around and killing a suspected vig as soon as possible was probably the optimal scum play. Then, they could push whoever was left alive after the night.@Seraphim: which possibility do you think is more likely?
1. OGML was killed to setup iamausername
2. OGML was killed by a scumgrup that includes iamausername
How obvious do you think it was that OGML was an obvious vig?
On which day do you think the scum should've figured out that he was a vig?
2. Not sure. Haven't read OGML as he is dead. However, keeping vigs alive to kill off townies is generally a scum play. Approaching LYOL, getting rid of the vig is optimal scum play.
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Yes. Adel's question was kinda loaded...there is always the possibility that you are NOT scum and that they killed the vig for the sake of killing the vig.iamausername wrote:
I'm still finding the wording a bit confusing, but I think the gist is that killing the obv vig would be a much more pressing concern for the scumgroup than setting anyone up, regardless of its members. Is that right?Seraphim wrote:Sorry, this didn't translate well. I think it's more likely that you are scum than you were set-up to look like scum today due to the large amount of targets possible to look like scum. OGML was the obvious vig and killing him was the optimal play.-
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This post is uber-scummy. Yes, we should assume LYOL because there is a scumteam out there with two likely living members(Florida Mafia) and five living players in the town as a whole, scum can win if we do not hit scum today.are you sure this is lynch or lose?
i mean sure its possible but there were still two kills last nite, so to me there is probably two killing elements left
And the second kill was probably OGML's kill, tubby. Are you trying to confuse the town and achieve a mislynch?-
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From the results, I'd say that unless there's a miracle, either tubby, iamusername, or myself is going to die today. I'm going to keep watching and rereading and hopefully get good reads on everyone...
This actually made me laugh though I can't say it's a valid argument. I don't know if I can say that you're scum quite yet...the point is i was and every day that hasn't been a cop outing a scum i have been considered for that days lynch, it doesn't take much to get a tubby wagon goin, its like dollar days at walmart everybody runs to that sale.
This sounds like flailing...it's trying to discredit an argument by pointing out one part instead of the entire post. I suppose what he's saying is that if Adel was scum, she would be attacking him like crazy, which may have some validity to it.Adel wasn't even in the game on D1, though.-
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