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[Hu Tao]

Hi.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

please stop being scum

Nope

[Hu Tao]

So.. How is the weather?

[Hu Tao]

I’m getting gut pinged by Snivy this game, dunno why

I’ve never gotten scum pinged by them before and i never have seen them as scum, so it’s weird.

Complete opposite for me

[Hu Tao]

I’m getting gut pinged by Snivy this game, dunno why

I’ve never gotten scum pinged by them before and i never have seen them as scum, so it’s weird.

Complete opposite for me

Perhaps you are scum buddies then

You caught me.

[Hu Tao]

When I said opposite I got gut town pinged. Not the 2nd part of the post

[Hu Tao]

Why does this game seem dead

[Hu Tao]

ok

hu tao is scum

UNVOTE: Snivy

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

wait what

UNVOTE: myself

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Hu Tao]

ok

hu tao is scum

UNVOTE: Snivy

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

wait what

UNVOTE: myself

VOTE: Hu Tao

It looks like deep down your conscience feels guilty about being scum. Let me help you with that

VOTE: Snivy

[Hu Tao]

I think snivy is town still. Not much to go off of in this so far though.

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao trying to get a defense teammate going by defending the Sniffles.

[Hu Tao]

thats some wild mental gymnastics

flavor might be scum tbh

I assumed it was a joke

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: heipizhu

[Hu Tao]

Guarantee you there is scum in Snivy, Naerys, STD

Why

[Hu Tao]

That would be nice

[Hu Tao]

Heip is a gut read but just think that slot is scum here.

[Hu Tao]

So outing it, Smiley, Dannfloor, Snivy, and I are in a neighborhood.

come on man

snivy I think is my top tr

[Hu Tao]

Totally not trying to pocket you again snivy

[Hu Tao]

Thank, Alianna!

slight town leans on flavor leaf and ccs, i see where fl is coming from on ccs but i also think snivy's posting feels forced because he's the first slot to try to bring the game out of RVS?

i don't particularly like 68, it feels a little scared to put down a vote

"slight" pings of "potential" pocketing

and then the assurance that you're only voting there for the time being

I use that language cause I'm feeling somewhat conflicted on that slot right now. I'm a bit dissatisfied of 33 as an answer to 32 as it feels like a pocket-y answer to me, though it's also weirdly stubborn in a way that feels + town. I'm hoping that by placing some pressure on CCS I can get a better read of their intentions.

Agree with this post here, I'm also getting conflicted read on CCS as well. The early posts he made pings me as a town moving the game out of rvs (like what I was doing in Normal Idea Mafia), but his later posts feel like, idk, posting as often as he could do to farm post counts?
Gonna park the vote on him until some more quality posts are made though.
VOTE: ccs
@ccs What's your read on smilely, FL and Dannflor?

This makes me feel Heinz is scum with someone in the neighborhood, and they naturally grouped us together because they knew who was in it.

How many scum games does Heipz have on site?

Great catch. Heipz is the vote today for sure

[Hu Tao]

what

his intentions

this reads town though

I agree he feels natural. It's likely smiley or Dunn that's scum in the hood.

[Hu Tao]

I am shocked no one is voting heip after that.

[Hu Tao]

Yes they asked the neighbor about the 3 other neighbors. It's likely scum in the neighborhood and he let it slip he knew

[Hu Tao]

he's two votes away from shadow realm i wanna hear from him

He claim that he isnt neighbor
so for this day its basically fl claim or heip claim

Why do you keep acting like it’s one of the other or like I’m doing something?

What is it do you think I’m doing?

Because the neighborhood is literally confirmed, it’s not a ‘FL claim’

[Hu Tao]

Thank, Alianna!

slight town leans on flavor leaf and ccs, i see where fl is coming from on ccs but i also think snivy's posting feels forced because he's the first slot to try to bring the game out of RVS?

i don't particularly like 68, it feels a little scared to put down a vote

"slight" pings of "potential" pocketing

and then the assurance that you're only voting there for the time being

I use that language cause I'm feeling somewhat conflicted on that slot right now. I'm a bit dissatisfied of 33 as an answer to 32 as it feels like a pocket-y answer to me, though it's also weirdly stubborn in a way that feels + town. I'm hoping that by placing some pressure on CCS I can get a better read of their intentions.

Agree with this post here, I'm also getting conflicted read on CCS as well. The early posts he made pings me as a town moving the game out of rvs (like what I was doing in Normal Idea Mafia), but his later posts feel like, idk, posting as often as he could do to farm post counts?
Gonna park the vote on him until some more quality posts are made though.
VOTE: ccs
@ccs What's your read on smilely, FL and Dannflor?

This makes me feel Heinz is scum with someone in the neighborhood, and they naturally grouped us together because they knew who was in it.

How many scum games does Heipz have on site?

How do you look at this post and not have any reaction towards it?

Like even if it does end up being a coincidence, i don’t feel it warrants zero reaction from that a newer player asked you about your exact 3 neighbors.

Wait, how did I miss out the neighbor claim. My bad though. I grouped smiley, Dann and FL out because they are the one of few guys who were actually posting game-relavent content, so I thought it would be appropriate to ask snivy about the 3 reads. And a wild guess here, is STD, x, Titus and Narey in the same neighborhood and they have decided to wagon on me together?

Sorry that you rolled scum Heip. It's okay maybe next game you'll be town

[Hu Tao]

FL is lying

we're not in a neighborhood together

VOTE: naerys

this feels like maybe naerys has a scum buddy in CCS or Smiley and is TMIing the non-existence of the neighborhood

Why would you claim this when there was pressure on Heip

[Hu Tao]

I don't think I'm gonna get anymore out of this so I'll just say now

there is a neighborhood with me/FL/Snivy/Smiley

I was lying not FL

I lied to see if I could get anything out of Naerys

I didn't really get anything useful from Naerys specifically but I think Gamma looks unaligned with anyone in the neighborhood

HAHAHA THIS IS SO FUNNY. IM

[Hu Tao]

I really don't see comprehension of what's happening in the game with Naerys in regards to my slot specifically. They're hiding behind "they're good scum" to blanket discredit, and they kinda avoid any full answers.

I think Naerys is probably town I don't see scum taking that stance here right? Think she would just go along with it and not play dumb. Think she was just confused.

[Hu Tao]

Mayhaps

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE: Heipz

Consider me still on them, but not ready for day end.

No need to drag on the day. All it does it gives scum more reads. Re vote please

[Hu Tao]

Things got super interesting for a few moments there and then suddenly ground to a halt.

I had some thoughts on heip, but I didn't want to voice them and insert thoughts into his head to parrot. I was hoping he'd provide more of a response to the whole thing before I said anything else. But he pretty much clammed up.

He's frozen scum. As town he would fight for it. We end day on this. Trust

[Hu Tao]

Need 2 people to just hammer. Before people get cold feet. He is scum.

[Hu Tao]

You're trying to find an excuse not to vote rather than a reason to vote

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Heipz

if it flips town, ill just blame Hu Tao.

I'm willing to take the blame if he's town. Don't think he is.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: SmileyDude1

I've played with Smiley as town and scum already. SmileyDude1 he tends to play very analytically and cautious as town. The more aggressive, pushy, tunnely, reactionary Smiley is scum Smiley.

Smiley is likely the scum in the hood, but that relies on heipz being scum. So I think we go there first.

[Hu Tao]

Quick someone hammer

[Hu Tao]

heip may i ask why you arent using your vote

He's scum. Doesn't want to give info

[Hu Tao]

He could vote anyone. Doesn't need to be for survival.

[Hu Tao]

He could vote anyone. Doesn't need to be for survival.

at this point it's completely about survival for heip

I'll never get this mindset. If you're town what does it do to help us win if you vote someone you possibly don't scumread just to stay alive? It's a team game regardless if scum or town.

[Hu Tao]

Need a hammer vote

[Hu Tao]

I think camel is town and smiley is likely scum with heipz

[Hu Tao]

heipizhu might actually be onto something with hu tao/snivy

If and it's a big if Heipz flips town I think you could be scum. Seems like you're trying to set up. But you could just be misguided right now.

[Hu Tao]

heipizhu might actually be onto something with hu tao/snivy

If and it's a big if Heipz flips town I think you could be scum. Seems like you're trying to set up. But you could just be misguided right now.

I’m starting to lean this more than Heipz scum right now

I still want heipz

[Hu Tao]

heipizhu might actually be onto something with hu tao/snivy

If and it's a big if Heipz flips town I think you could be scum. Seems like you're trying to set up. But you could just be misguided right now.

You're leaning in way too confidently that Heip is going to flip scum here to the point where I'm going to suspect you if he flips town, js.

That's part of the game. I think based with the info given and his reaction he flips scum here

[Hu Tao]

Oh i woke up just in time,

Did somebody say E-1?

VOTE: Heipzu

Here is to hoping he's actually scum. If not I'll feel bad since he's new.

[Hu Tao]

is definitely town

I hope you get investigator today hu

Not happening

[Hu Tao]

My first game I almost got voted off for basically no reason day 1, so I have a soft spot for new players.

[Hu Tao]

Yeah I feel bad that he was town

[Hu Tao]

I take full blame for that one. But I guess I'll learn, I've never been that aggressive before

[Hu Tao]

I shot at Smiley last night.

Snivy claimed BP in neighborhood, though, so that’s something, but I think we always just go Smiley here today.

He claimed it after you claimed vig on him?

[Hu Tao]

I scumread smiley yesterday so I'm fine going there. Think everyone should check in first

[Hu Tao]

Wait what? I forgot this wasn't a mini. So it could be 2 vs 2 vs 11? I'm not sure how these things work.

[Hu Tao]

to be fair asking if its multiball while under potential suspicion is a bit of a towntell

Snivy town since yesterday imo

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: SmileyDude1

I've played with Smiley as town and scum already. SmileyDude1 he tends to play very analytically and cautious as town. The more aggressive, pushy, tunnely, reactionary Smiley is scum Smiley.

Smiley is likely the scum in the hood, but that relies on heipz being scum. So I think we go there first.

I should have went with his plan first. sorry steady

[Hu Tao]

Who has not checked in?

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

Darn

[Hu Tao]

I targeted Hu Tao last night.

I’m N1 N2.

I think it’s likely i got blocked, though.

I'll have to read later to remember what you are but okay.

[Hu Tao]

Sorry, I don't have time to read right now. Very busy work week. I'll check in tomorrow. I think I'm being scumread for something but I'll see who later

[Hu Tao]

Umm. Not sure why I'm being voted. I'll be able to catch up in my 30ish minutes though.

[Hu Tao]

Ok I have like 5 or 10 minutes to catch up

[Hu Tao]

I’m confused why Dann died over CCS, unless the hood tells a different story than the main thread

Probably something was claimed in the hood

[Hu Tao]

I’m confused why Dann died over CCS, unless the hood tells a different story than the main thread

Dann had a claimed guilty on Smiley. Dann didn’t claim role until after Night fell, so Scum didn’t know Dann’s role, but they knew they had a guilty.

We double guiltied, that’s why we were like super positive that it was scum.

And I’m sure it came out to the scum team, but Snivy claimed BP in Neighborhood after I claimed Loyal Vig.

I would have thought that was suspicious if we didn’t have like for sure scum on Smiley.

So you're claiming loyal vig which means I'm confirmed scum to you unless you were blocked right? I don't believe this claim for a second, I know you usually do silly gambit claims so is this real?

[Hu Tao]

My elimination preferences after that spurt of reading are Naerys on-wagon, Hu Tso off-wagon

To be fair I don't think I was around during either of the end of days which I think should be clear from my posts. If you're saying I'm scum cause of that, then I don't like it

[Hu Tao]

I'm not really interested in a Hu wagon. The votepark looked very odd and I'd still like an explanation, but I have a feeling it's not scum indicative.

I wasn't here. Not that much of an explanation

[Hu Tao]

It feels like we're at a reset, which is fine. Scum are probably reassessing strategy right now and waiting.

i think my immediate focus is on Naerys or Hu Tao. Pisskop is playing alright, but i can see them as scum. I can't really make a case for Pissk, just a feeling, but i'm paranoid of Pissk here. Stems from yesterday and feeling like they were trying to find a way to turn it to me, or at least plant that seed.

Oh right I keep forgetting you were in the hood. So you're probably town. Look, I just haven't been here and you're probably doing a silly gambit. I don't really have time to fight like I usually do but I'm town here. You're likely town here too so why I'm appealing to you. I think ccs is town BTW. X Twitter slot is likely scum based on how they handled day 1

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao doesnt feel like scum to me, tbh

I'd like to know why. Cause I can see why people would see I'm scummy here

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao doesnt feel like scum to me, tbh

hu tao gets universally town read when scum, and i dont think they look good after the combination of day 1-2.

when i only town read people off tone, i typically get worried, it's why i shot there. i didnt decide until late, though, my mind was not with this game over the night, and they were kind of my placeholder/security action i used in case i didnt come up with another slot.

but then they make a move where i can read em in the moment, so i imagine theyd be weary of me at this point.

IF scum have a blocker, though, I was most likely the blocked for the potential fake guilty unless scum were cocky enough to think id shoot town.

I rarely miss as Vig.

If I was scum, why would I do that day 1 if you know I like to be universally townread? I basically am the reason for that misvote

[Hu Tao]

but im okay leaving Hu Tao a bit, but they shouldnt end game unless a scum blocker flips.

with that

VOTE: Naerys Ill join the other suspect.

I'd actually prefer x Twitter slot first. But my reads this game aren't the best so far I think based on day 1

[Hu Tao]

Large 15 player, figure 4-5 mafs.

being a vig makes you highly unlikely to be maf.

CCS could be maf, I dont Townread him atm.

Oh God this is a large I forgot. There is likely 3 more scum then

[Hu Tao]

Or possibly a 3rd party? But I've never played with a third party before. Is that common in large?

[Hu Tao]

they are, and Hu Tao could have been protected.


hu Tao can still be scum who got docced, though.

im more just advocating for this as a possibility so it doesn't get lost and something comes out and auto towns Hu Tao and they coast. hu Tao is slippery. Don't let them slip if they are scum.

I think there's merit to Hu tao scum, but just spending some time making sure that point gets across so we dont get to like Day 5 and go 'oh hu tao got docc'd, must mean town' cuz it doesnt auto make them town in that scenario.

If you're not making a gambit of this, then I'm not sure what to think. Is there possible there is a disloyal doctor? If you're a loyal vig that makes sense

[Hu Tao]

like a town doctor targeting ScumTao the same scenario happens.

I feel like for some reason Hu Tao's getting a pass, and on a gamestate level, that just feels off to me.

if anything they should be neutral, not a free pass.

I would weary of people thinking I'm town here tbh. At least 1 is probably scum

[Hu Tao]

hilarious possibility: scum doctor protected town hu tao. lol

This!!! Though other possibilities

[Hu Tao]

Right, but was your target discussed? Trying to check if scum would know that blocking you could give a fake guilty.

Comparing to a recent scum game Hu seems really different to me.

I didnt discuss my target, so Snivy couldn't have known if scum.

I'm curious as why you shot me though. Since this gameplay really doesn't line up with my scum meta you stated before

[Hu Tao]

whoa thats a lot of pages

that i am not reading

are u lazy scum?

Ftr I think naerys and Dave have at least 1 scum in it. Probably just 1 though. I can see these 2 as the ones defending me for scum reasons to look town tomorrow. Dave mostly cause I thought x Twitter was likely scum

[Hu Tao]

davesaz
Hu Tao
Flavor Leaf
Gamma Emerald

camelCasedSnivy
Titus
pisskop

Naerys

Save The Dragons
gob
Celebloki

There is no way you have me as the biggest town read here.. like why? I know I'm different from the scum game we had together but still, this seems a stretch

[Hu Tao]

my gut is telling me to just trust FL that he probably got blocked but hu taos last 2 games make me more than fine to lim her

[Hu Tao]

Stop voting Hu Tao.

Actually maybe you are town. I'm doing a 180

[Hu Tao]

Okay since town can be obtuse at times, and I don't have much time to defend myself. Based on that Dave post he probably has an inno on me. So don't Elim me until he posts again and confirms or denies.

If he denies you can just vote me. This will be my first game I've been misvoted out if that's the case. So feel proud scum, even if I've been super busy.

[Hu Tao]

I am at E-1 BTW. So anyone who hammers me is confirmed scum before Dave confirms or denies he has an inno on me. I'd suggest 1 town on my wagon unvote just in case

[Hu Tao]

The most incriminating point I on Hu Tao is interactions flipped slots have had

Won't matter if I am innocent, which based on Dave's posting I likely am. What are your other reads?

[Hu Tao]

I'm also checked every game

[Hu Tao]

Okay since town can be obtuse at times, and I don't have much time to defend myself. Based on that Dave post he probably has an inno on me. So don't Elim me until he posts again and confirms or denies.

If he denies you can just vote me. This will be my first game I've been misvoted out if that's the case. So feel proud scum, even if I've been super busy.

Life would be so much easier if people came to correct conclusions without needing to E-1 the inno.

I think once you said don't vote me it became obvious. But, yeah. Partly my fault, if I played better I wouldn't be voted right now.

[Hu Tao]

I don’t believe the worry and energy coming from Hu Tao early in their catchup if they were a Mason.

read the game please

[Hu Tao]

Now that I'm innocent, I think this also locks FL into his claim. I think he's town for now though

[Hu Tao]

I think we shouldn't rush. No need for everyone to vote

[Hu Tao]

Did you claim guilty first or did dann

[Hu Tao]

I'm the hood

[Hu Tao]

In*

[Hu Tao]

What is it with people skating in here without reading major events? FL literally claimed as soon as D2 started and that he shot at Smiley.

Which is why I said in the hood

[Hu Tao]

I'll believe the dave soft claim and am happy to go along with Naerys, but if you're going to be town, at least understand the gamestate. This goes for Hu Tao and Gob.

p-edit: It at least proves he knew something about smiley and was happy to immediately out him. And since he flipped scum it certainly means he at least for now is pro-town.

I think you just don't understand what I meant

[Hu Tao]

If Dann claimed smiley scum first in the hood then FL's claim doesn't mean as much

[Hu Tao]

Apparently just saying, "Stop voting _____" is a masterful full claim that we all should have known exactly what it meant.

What's with people skating in here not reading major events?

It's not just that it was the lead up to everything he was saying as I stated during my catchup

[Hu Tao]

Hi the worst

[Hu Tao]

I'm town. That's all that matters

[Hu Tao]

Mass claim should be tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

oh come on hu tao was the better lim

You'll never get rid of me that easily

[Hu Tao]

I'll catch up tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

She’s been kinda MIA
can you ISO her?

Sorry I'm on vacation at the moment. Will try to catch up soonish. But I'm clear no?

[Hu Tao]

I should have guessed that Hu Tao not being flashy was a town lean.

Hu has been VLA. I kind of think Id SR a mousey Hu Tao

I do like cheese. Does this make me mousey

[Hu Tao]

No Goons means complex vig and loyal vig are both antitown roles.

I kinda thing fl could be scum

[Hu Tao]

Why are you scared of being guiltied?

[Hu Tao]

I'll claim VT

[Hu Tao]

So uh. Who does everyone scum read the most

[Hu Tao]

But people could just copy the clear

[Hu Tao]

Very true

[Hu Tao]

I think we go Hu Tao here.

Yes. Let's vote the cop inno

[Hu Tao]

Honestly I don't have the time to pull off any gambits at the moment. No reason to assume I should be anything but town here since I am innocent

[Hu Tao]

I've noticed people try to find a way for me to be scum even when I'm confirm inno. what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[Hu Tao]

Would be a weird gambit by Dave to claim cop on a town about to be eliminated

[Hu Tao]

Naur Dave

[Hu Tao]

I'll try to find scum in a moment

[Hu Tao]

After reading. I think Elements town and FL sus.

[Hu Tao]

There is likely 4 scum yes?

[Hu Tao]

I don't see a world where element flips scum here

[Hu Tao]

Yeah, near the end of Day 3 I was like…

Hmm, TW is probably gonna shoot me. This is an issue. So had to power that through.

I’m a Rolecop Traitor

I yoinked Dann’s Guilty, though. It was definitely supposed to be a fake ‘fake guilty’ on Snivy, and I was gonna retract my claim after Snivy claimed Bulletproof. I was informed of Snivy being BP.

But then i targeted Dann Night 1 and saw his Gunsmith and i was like well damn. Loyal Vig is already a good claim, but he probably targeted Smiley.

I guess I need to be more vocal about my reads since they were right. Sorry yall