Large Normal 245 | Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: snivy
Already think that ISO is lackluster

[Gamma Emerald]

welcome gamma

Hiya

[Gamma Emerald]

That sure is some 5D chess you’re playing Snivy
Why is Loki town btw?

[Gamma Emerald]

Celebloki

[Gamma Emerald]

damn maybe im the one doing mental gymnastics

I almost said that instead of 5D chess but that felt mean for how much game has happened.

[Gamma Emerald]

Guarantee you there is scum in Snivy, Naerys, STD

Interesting, is there a common thread or no?

[Gamma Emerald]

Damage controlling me

Oh, I wanted to try to guess at it, just revealing it is no fun!

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m just saying shit to say shit with a hint of truce.

It pinged. It’s really that low.

How does it ping? Idk. Could town then ping? Yeah, but I’m getting a hell lot more out of reads seeing how out of proportion people pushing with it and taking a side to and for.

I’m sure some are absolutely political. In fact, I have no doubt.

I’ve lost the plot, wtf are you saying here?

[Gamma Emerald]

swoop

[Gamma Emerald]

What kind of question is that

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What are you trying to accomplish by asking that question?

[Gamma Emerald]

That is a very stilted way to put it but I think it parses

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I feel good about Smiley and Flavor

[Gamma Emerald]

what

his intentions

this reads town though

not really imo
while it does function for readability, I think the way those were written feel cagey, which is scum-indicative to me

[Gamma Emerald]

You were sparing in your words, it feels afraid to say anything beyond the direct idea you’re trying to communicate

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you have any actual constructive input currently? You seem to just be commenting from the sidelines.
PEdit: okay that kinda covers it but that’s feels pretty tepid, I wanna see some habanero-level spicy takes

[Gamma Emerald]

That feels like a very broad question asked in a kinda narrow manner

[Gamma Emerald]

he's two votes away from shadow realm i wanna hear from him

Okay, that wasn’t an issue for me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Naerys gives a bad vibe rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Naerys gives a bad vibe rn

as always, i was born to be a limbait

Suuuure
It feels like you’re trying to discredit Flavor + the heip wagon here

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor Leaf avoid lying for one game challenge level IMPOSSIBLE

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank, Alianna!

slight town leans on flavor leaf and ccs, i see where fl is coming from on ccs but i also think snivy's posting feels forced because he's the first slot to try to bring the game out of RVS?

i don't particularly like 68, it feels a little scared to put down a vote

"slight" pings of "potential" pocketing

and then the assurance that you're only voting there for the time being

I use that language cause I'm feeling somewhat conflicted on that slot right now. I'm a bit dissatisfied of 33 as an answer to 32 as it feels like a pocket-y answer to me, though it's also weirdly stubborn in a way that feels + town. I'm hoping that by placing some pressure on CCS I can get a better read of their intentions.

Agree with this post here, I'm also getting conflicted read on CCS as well. The early posts he made pings me as a town moving the game out of rvs (like what I was doing in Normal Idea Mafia), but his later posts feel like, idk, posting as often as he could do to farm post counts?
Gonna park the vote on him until some more quality posts are made though.
VOTE: ccs
@ccs What's your read on smilely, FL and Dannflor?

This makes me feel Heinz is scum with someone in the neighborhood, and they naturally grouped us together because they knew who was in it.

How many scum games does Heipz have on site?

How do you look at this post and not have any reaction towards it?

Like even if it does end up being a coincidence, i don’t feel it warrants zero reaction from that a newer player asked you about your exact 3 neighbors.

Wait, how did I miss out the neighbor claim. My bad though. I grouped smiley, Dann and FL out because they are the one of few guys who were actually posting game-relavent content, so I thought it would be appropriate to ask snivy about the 3 reads. And a wild guess here, is STD, x, Titus and Narey in the same neighborhood and they have decided to wagon on me together?

This post does suck ass tho

[Gamma Emerald]

i think it's pretty natural to assume FL is lying so i don't blame anyone for doing so

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Heipizhu4
If you’re hopping off then I’m hopping on, I think the reaction to the claim was god-awful

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not meant as a slam against you, instead it’s me expressing that if you’re going to create an opening I’m going to vote there, as I was previously waiting for a VC to do so

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

More accurately
It’s 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will; 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name

[Gamma Emerald]

That was on another subject

[Gamma Emerald]

People confused by 225 should probably keep reading, it gets explained

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrm

[Gamma Emerald]

Rushing an essay isn't fun, let's go:
Basically, the public info for us now is the hood, so we can start with an ISO of the hood. Since idk what was going on in the hood, (eg, who initiate the push), I can only guess. It surprises me that the hood was voting for each other, and besides that, the hood only got voted by (excluding page 1 vote):
ccs: bob3141(p2 rvs), Blackstar (111), Gamma (114)

And when they vote outside the hood:
ccs: Hu Tao (92), THS(204), me (332)
FL: me (158)
Dann: narrey (259)

P-edit: Nice, was't hammered

Emmm, I think I'll change my mind a bit, probably it wasn't ccs + hu tao.... Could it be ccs + smiley?

Hmmm what changes your mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: X formerly

Didnt you just say you wanted to end the day on heip?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think heip was very well spoken. Obviously I wont lock him as town anything, but it came off feeling pretty good.

@gamma, youre posting a bunch of pizza tower stuff. I know theres a game, but I feel like there's a comic or something the game was based on?

the game kinda came first but there are comics
it's inspired gameplay-wise by Wario Land 4 and graphics-wise by 90's cartoons, like Ren and Stimpy or Courage the Cowardly Dog

[Gamma Emerald]

heip may i ask why you arent using your vote

He's scum. Doesn't want to give info

or a vt who's taking one for the town and isn't sure enough to vote snivy for survival

‘_’

[Gamma Emerald]

That is not the vibe I wanted

[Gamma Emerald]

lemme check why smiley is pushing me again since i forgot but i would say that smiley is just barely town for me otherwise

you guys in a pt together camel how haven't you thought or talked about this

Doesn’t mean that they are communicating in there

Ngl I am starting to be concerned about you X

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow, heip just keeps teetering on the brink. I still think he's likely scum. His defense didn't really sway me. There has been a lot of good info by keeping this in Day. In the hood I'm of the belief that at least FL and Dann are town. There's at least 1 scum between Snivy and Smiley. I'm still leaning towards Snivy. Outside of the hood I am still of the opinion that Naerys is likely scum and I am dubious of X. They seems like they've been trying hard to derail heip, but also appear to still be on board with it. I think if heip does flip town, we have some good leads for tomorrow, so it wouldn't be a hard loss.

Since we seem to be having trouble getting that last vote I'll add mine to the mix.

VOTE: heipizhu4

I’m less confident that Dann is town but otherwise I'm mind melding with this

[Gamma Emerald]

If not I'll feel bad since he's new.

Somebody has to go first.

As someone who before my last "break" from the site was repeatedly on the chopping block day 1, I kinda hate this post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mine!

[Gamma Emerald]

I was a replace-in for my first ever FM game but my first game here I had someone tunnel me D1, thankfully I had a savoir

[Gamma Emerald]

tho I was technically hitting back everything the tunneler threw at me, I think having that other person in my corner helped kill any potential wagon momentum on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Was i the tunneler or the savior?

And were you a Seraph Knight?

that was like, a year before I first played with you lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: smileydude

[Gamma Emerald]

I would imagine there’s a scum on the back end of that Smiley wagon. Davesaz, Naerys, or Gamma, based purely on VCA.

I don’t see a reason to object to this so I will look at davesaz slot and Naerys here

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m confused why Dann died over CCS, unless the hood tells a different story than the main thread

[Gamma Emerald]

X was kinda sus from memory but dave’s play is enough that I think seeing more could be enlightening

[Gamma Emerald]

well finally my brain works a bit, so:
-StD feels town but its more of a hunch without any actual proof
-Hu Tao doesnt feel any different than the games where she was town, so i am leaning town here
-Flavor idk, null read there, very hard to read for me
-Dannflor ...well i dont really have a good feeling about this slot, and no it has nothing to do with that stunt, his post feels artificial tbh like written without any real engagement, possible scum? maybe, would be nice if he shared some thoughts of his
-gamma feels like a solid town
-snivy right now null lean, 2 scum in the hood seems unlikely to me but he isnt really readable to me right now
-heip´s posts 39 and 96 are making me wary of this slot, possible scum vibes, imo good eli for d1
-Smiley looks decent to me, town lean for now

Thats about it i will look at others bit later

This snivy read bothers me

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Naerys
Not impressed by her D2 posts
I’m aware mine probably aren’t much better but I was in a funk

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking at Smileydude ISO I think I see why THS was killed N1

[Gamma Emerald]

heipizhu might actually be onto something with hu tao/snivy

If and it's a big if Heipz flips town I think you could be scum. Seems like you're trying to set up. But you could just be misguided right now.

You're leaning in way too confidently that Heip is going to flip scum here to the point where I'm going to suspect you if he flips town, js.

This may or may not also be factor
But yeah THS lowkey nailed smiley, yes he backed off but I think that put THS on scum’s radar

[Gamma Emerald]

actually we see merit in thinning out the neighborhood

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

still looking forward to that essay tho

actually actually

VOTE: SmileyDude1

feels better.

This feels natural, I don’t see scum dipping its toes in the pool here and then opting to distance as a move that makes sense rn

[Gamma Emerald]

heip may i ask why you arent using your vote

He's scum. Doesn't want to give info

or a vt who's taking one for the town and isn't sure enough to vote snivy for survival

Hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

I targeted Hu Tao last night.

I’m N1 N2.

I think it’s likely i got blocked, though.

Ngl regardless of whether you were blocked or not I think Hu Tao could be scum
THS made a motion her way and when I ISOed X I actually came away thinking Hu was sus because X responded to a lot of Hu posts that kinda feel questionable in retrospect?

[Gamma Emerald]

My elimination preferences after that spurt of reading are Naerys on-wagon, Hu Tso off-wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

Who's in the hood again?

The remaining hoodmates are flavor leaf and CCS

[Gamma Emerald]

It is mildly annoying that it felt like Smiley was quick hammered (especially with the self-hammer) to avoid any more discussion D2. But thinking more on it, what more discussion could there have been. It almost made more suspicious of davesaz for putting him at E-1 to allow for the self-hammer, but I'm not sure that's really what happened. I was curious before the hammer if Dann had had anything more to say outside the hood before nightfall.

My running hypothesis was that the neighborhood was 2/2 on town/scum, but I'm not sure if that makes sense either. I'd love to hear something out of gob's slot, CCS has yet to chime in as well.

Do we think outside of FL and scum that there may be any other NKers out there?

We have too few kills for there to be another killer imo

[Gamma Emerald]

The smiley wagon itself probably wont tell us too much. I imagine one or two eager beaver scum were on it, its hard to resist free distancing.

Everyone was so eager to rack up heip that I dont put much stock into any vca without more flips

There was a anti-heip wagon contingent, at least X was of that mindset

[Gamma Emerald]

naery would be my choice. somebody get a cop on Hu or something

I mean, Gunsmith is dead, and I didn't get a kill on Hu tao.

how much more investigative power you think we have?

I don’t think it’s investigative but I think there has to be a PR outside the hood, otherwise this setup seems extremely swingy

[Gamma Emerald]

Mine

[Gamma Emerald]

Those on the Hu Tao wagon, is there something about her play that is pinging so far is it more of a meme-wagon?

I missed this ISOing smiley earlier, this imo raises Hu Tao’s scum equity

[Gamma Emerald]

Large 15 player, figure 4-5 mafs.

being a vig makes you highly unlikely to be maf.

CCS could be maf, I dont Townread him atm.

5 mafs is excessive

[Gamma Emerald]

VC 3.01

Votecount 3.01

Naerys (3):

Gamma Emerald, pisskop, Flavor Leaf

davesaz (2):

Titus, Naerys

Not Voting (6):

Hu Tao, camelCasedSnivy, Save The Dragons, Celebloki, gob, davesaz

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-10-31 00:36:19).

Mod Notes:

• Here's the Combined Mod ISO.
  
• This was an unintended but very welcome pagetop.
  

• Pedit: one of the nice things about modding is the editing powers, where you can note your unintended pagetops after the fact.

  Yep! And also you can quote posts from the future to mess with people.

Please be careful and don’t count votes after the post where the VC is at
That’s a fast track to confusion

[Gamma Emerald]

Are town docs not a thing any more?

Why would town doc have been on Hu?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't see one protecting Hu Tao, but leaving possibilities out gives me a sour taste, like

machos

that are too spicy.

[Gamma Emerald]

like a town doctor targeting ScumTao the same scenario happens.

I feel like for some reason Hu Tao's getting a pass, and on a gamestate level, that just feels off to me.

if anything they should be neutral, not a free pass.

I think there’s a bit of a freeze where no one feels like being the first to make a move there

[Gamma Emerald]

hilarious possibility: scum doctor protected town hu tao. lol

I could see it as a possibility

[Gamma Emerald]

Im undecided on gamma here, and I think thats a fair point to make since dave was mentioning that.

I think the thread has collectively forgotten why I’m town here

[Gamma Emerald]

whats going on

Flavor shot at you with a loyal vig shot last night.

Why are you not dead?

Doesn't even look like I got shot.

How do you know this?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Flavor is lying here, straight up.

if you read the game, youd know i shot at Hu tao, not you.

i also think you just need to read up a little bit on the game, or else ill take you down like i took down your buddy Smiley.

I’m very much not a fan of gob coming in half-cocked trying to rebut Flavor Leaf

[Gamma Emerald]

Variable time is definitely a thing. That's why I state my RL impediments like 7am meetings that I have to lead openly so that it can be taken into account.
Titus for example saying she has court as a reason why she seems less energetic is a great reaction to my comment. Just don't ever abuse RL and you'll be fine.

Pedit: I was even complaining the pace is too slow. It's definitely not a hyper game.

When I came in I was shocked the thread only had 5 pages
It’s been shockingly slow paced

[Gamma Emerald]

So there can only be 2 mafia to a hood?

What are all the hoods

There only seems to be the one hood
I don’t think that hood has more than 2 scum since one of them already got killed off as town and from the claims + the way the game has proceeded, I doubt the remaining 2 are scum together

[Gamma Emerald]

whats going on

Flavor shot at you with a loyal vig shot last night.

Why are you not dead?

Doesn't even look like I got shot.

How do you know this?

I'm not dead, aren't I?

there’s something about how you said it that bothers me

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Im undecided on gamma here, and I think thats a fair point to make since dave was mentioning that.

I think the thread has collectively forgotten why I’m town here

Is there something I'm supposed to have noticed?

There was something that happened day 1

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrrrrm
I don’t want to just point to it directly but I don’t want to get misyeeted for bogus reasons for the nth time
Fuck it I’ll just say it. I still think my reaction to what Dann did with the hood claim makes me town

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor Leaf avoid lying for one game challenge level IMPOSSIBLE

This is the main one I think Dann noticed

[Gamma Emerald]

So are we just gonna sit here or what

[Gamma Emerald]

wanna kill hu tao?

Yes
VOTE: Hu Tao

[Gamma Emerald]

My elimination preferences after that spurt of reading are Naerys on-wagon, Hu Tso off-wagon

To be fair I don't think I was around during either of the end of days which I think should be clear from my posts. If you're saying I'm scum cause of that, then I don't like it

It’s absolutely not that

[Gamma Emerald]

The most incriminating point I on Hu Tao is interactions flipped slots have had

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think Naerys is scum
Looking at Smiley’s reads I could see Titus/Dragon slot/pk as potential scum

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t believe the worry and energy coming from Hu Tao early in their catchup if they were a Mason.

Scratch this, I posted in a wrong game mixing up.

Fucking damn it, I wanted to snark at you for that

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll believe the dave soft claim and am happy to go along with Naerys, but if you're going to be town, at least understand the gamestate. This goes for Hu Tao and Gob.

p-edit: It at least proves he knew something about smiley and was happy to immediately out him. And since he flipped scum it certainly means he at least for now is pro-town.

It could also be pure luck Smiley rolled red. I am willing to discuss this after this game ends.

VOTE: Naerys
As I see it you’re just trying to discredit a clear

[Gamma Emerald]

That 1st post leaves out a detail that is crumbed elsewhere btw. I'd rather not provide scum the whole roadmap. Though it does mean that it's probably role madness so maybe it does help.

Can't be role madness. D1 and N1 flips.

It’s also a normal game lmfao

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That 1st post leaves out a detail that is crumbed elsewhere btw. I'd rather not provide scum the whole roadmap. Though it does mean that it's probably role madness so maybe it does help.

Can't be role madness. D1 and N1 flips.

Depends on your definition of madness. I see at least 2 more roles are required to make the revealed mechanics and my details work, though one of them could be scum.

“Role madness” means every player has a unique/non vanilla role
I used that definition since you can have a token VT and the game can still be role madness

[Gamma Emerald]

Wdym casual talk

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see a real distinction? And like, I think trying to use the term like that dilutes its meaning, so maybe a better name for what you describe is power-heavy?
PEdit: what??

[Gamma Emerald]

We have claims from a vig, a cop, several neighbors, and a gunsmith.

I am a PR as well

Let’s fucking massclaim at this point because why would you just randomly announce this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wassup tw

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo gl with the trivia

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm impatient because we screeched to a halt over this mass claim idea, talked a bunch about order and claiming days and shots, then no one that FL called out as first claimed or said what their gates and shots were. If I seem hesitant to claim, it's because it's my belief that my claim will kill me. I wasn't quite ready to exit the game tonight. But if that's what it takes to move the game along, I'm a protective role.

If u are protective role then i dare to say that FL will get nked first

What the fuck is this post?

[Gamma Emerald]

That makes sense ig but like, why’d you say “if” when that was explicitly what celeb was saying?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay no Celeb’s thought process makes sense
Protective roles can prevent the kill on anyone that isn’t themselves so they are the prevailing choice for scum to kill

[Gamma Emerald]

That tracks, I expected to be a target N1

[Gamma Emerald]

Inno on Hu Tao claim means i got blocked.

If you believe this then the move is to go for Hu, not unrelated cele on preflips

vrej

[Gamma Emerald]

you had to ruin my spotless record by voting me.

Maybe don’t vote the damn cop inno?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah she switched to pk right before he voted her so no hammer yet

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually forgot dave claimed an inno on hu.

This line basically indicates you are not engaged as you should be. In other game i happened to be right about such hunch and i believe i am right here too.
Sometimes its interesting to thing about post as whole and its "energy" if i can call it so. This feels like "who cares about such tiny fact that Hu might be town"
Behavior of this post indicates pisskop belongs to informed minority. He doesnt really worry about whom he lims.

How is that a slip?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, that makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

And I think flavor is making a potential mistake pushing you before Hu Tao based on mechanics

fucking cringe

[Gamma Emerald]

She’s literally about to die, idk what you think you’re accomplishing by continuing to attack her

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s @ pk

[Gamma Emerald]

I dont spread shade, i am sharing my opinion.
Pisskop + Titus are my suspicions

Do you have any solid townreads, ftr?

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty fucking sure it’s a cop clear, the extra bit is just an additional modifier

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry had to run to the pharmacy before they closed. TBH, I think I've changed my mind on naerys. Call it a scumtell all you want, when Titus "hammered" I didn't know if she hadn't realized she already had a vote on Naerys and was trying to fake twilight, but I noticed and decided to watch instead of say something. Maybe Naerys realized she hadn't been hammered either, but her E-1/fake twilight reactions seem genuine to me. That coupled with how the "massclaim" went and how others voted makes me think about this game differently. pisskop slid hard into scum territory for me. I personally think FL is still conftown because I don't think he'd hard bus Smiley if he was scum, but I think his read of the game has become misguided.

At this point I believe dave's claim and that Hu got an inno, I'm changing my mind on Naerys, still think FL is town. I still think Gamma is town.

I think there's scum in pk, gob, the worst, snivy.

I'm also not sure what to think about Titus at this point or if there was strategy in the double vote or if it was just forgetting she already had a vote on naerys.

VOTE: Pisskop
Yeah I feel good about Naerys’ reactions and the “scum faking twilight reactions” theory is overplayed and almost never correct imo

[Gamma Emerald]

if we have both an alignment cop and a loyal vig one of them is fake

That’s a nice argument senator, why don’t you back it up with a source

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: the worst

[Gamma Emerald]

if we have both an alignment cop and a loyal vig one of them is fake

That’s a nice argument senator, why don’t you back it up with a source

oof I am many things but I am not a senator

it's like.... those are two roles who are capable of receiving an alignment relates result every night. alignment results are pretty rare in any game. do you think they're likely to both be real?

There’s a gaping hole in your point, which is neither is able to get results every night

[Gamma Emerald]

why
gamma

Didn’t like him prioritizing the back-and-forth with FL over my question

[Gamma Emerald]

swoop

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello Gamma Emerald.

!
…hi?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is that your first post after 48 hours away from thread?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello Gamma Emerald.

!
…hi?

Care to explain who is mafia and who isnt?

I don’t think I like your tone! This wording feels weird

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Naerys had good reactions to the Titus fake hammer, meanwhile pk comes out of that looking worse
tw I think is making bad arguments knowingly

[Gamma Emerald]

if we have both an alignment cop and a loyal vig one of them is fake

That’s a nice argument senator, why don’t you back it up with a source

oof I am many things but I am not a senator

it's like.... those are two roles who are capable of receiving an alignment relates result every night. alignment results are pretty rare in any game. do you think they're likely to both be real?

There’s a gaping hole in your point, which is neither is able to get results every night

I genuinely am not sure what you mean. an alignment cop receives a return dm, a loyal vig either flips their result for everyone to see or gets no result at about a rate of 75:25 (slightly skewed towards no result ig due to manipulative effects)

What do you mean?


pedit: I can't keep up with the pedits with my internet rn so I'm gonna leave in a sec

Go back and actually read what flavor and dave gave claimed

[Gamma Emerald]

gob is the random nurse slot

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel good about Flavor rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel good about Flavor rn

Seems to be a sheep from my read on Flavor.

Any different thoughts?

Nah I have my own reasoning also it’s funny you’re calling me a sheep after asking about my reads

[Gamma Emerald]

I think gob’s give-no-fucks attitude here is towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Did your predecessor shoot at all tw?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think gob’s give-no-fucks attitude here is towny

Pocket attempt part 2? Coming back for seconds?

Would you rather I call you scum? You seem to be allergic to niceness.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah I’d rather tw claim his slot’s NAs first

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it’s sus for you if your N1 target still hasn’t claimed yet, tw

[Gamma Emerald]

If I was a complex vig in this game going into N1 I would have shot at a neighbor

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably means MafSTD shot Holdsteady

Is STD new/green enough to not know you shouldn't soft claim your targets by lamenting their demise?

absolutely not

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to reread this tomorrow but I am fine with a worst lim but as group scum only. If we go with SK, that's Snivvy our bp claim.

Do you still SR Naerys, if so why?

[Gamma Emerald]

@TW, your partial claim is also silly.

@GE, It's more that I don't townread them. I'm finding there's more peacocking than solving so it's hard to get in each other's heads.

Alright, I at least understand this even though I don’t entirely agree
Idk what peacocking means and you might be right about it but I think Naerys just felt organic when she thought she was hammered

[Gamma Emerald]

How am I not? You seem to be devoted to shading me.

[Gamma Emerald]

i like worst's reaction to the wagon now can we go back to naerys plskthx

no

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you be willing to vote pk, CCS?

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s your thinking on Hu Tao rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

She’s been kinda MIA
can you ISO her?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hu Tao got inno’d by Dave and didn’t get killed by me.

I was trying to not disclose that

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah, okay
I like trying to catch people in low-info traps

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe I’m tunneled but it looks like TW’s reads just are there for WIFOM partner associations after they flip

I wanna see if I can slap together a solve with them assuming tw is town

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think you were really pressuring anyone

[Gamma Emerald]

If you had actually been hounding someone to claim I think you’d feel more credible

[Gamma Emerald]

I was trying to bait him, is that so hard to understand?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it would have been more effective if you only claimed vig to start *shrug*

[Gamma Emerald]

How is that harsh?

[Gamma Emerald]

Starting to feel as if flavor is scum trying to lead whole town by their noses
His “tunnel” on worst looking back feels intentional.

hrrm

[Gamma Emerald]

The Worst flip implies scum have at least one PR, almost certainly a RB given FL's failed target, unless it's one of those trolling games where all the vigs are explicitly negative utility. My hopes of getting a guilty are fading fast. I should have guessed that Hu Tao not being flashy was a town lean. Maybe checking in the hood for 2nd scum would have been better. I might have to clean slate a reads list just to see if that helps. This game is kinda "paged out of memory" to borrow a term from work. I have a hard time getting motivated after my canonical approach to a role gets blown away.

neighbor already counts as a PR
I could see the scumteam being 3 PRs rather than 4 members

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, both of those roles are good indications that the game does not contain a scum doc

wtf how

[Gamma Emerald]

wtf how

if flavor is a loyal vig he cannot hit mafia

if mafia have no goons then Worst could not hit mafia

you have the wrong idea of what complex does

[Gamma Emerald]

Im a simple backup to a role that hasnt flipped yet. or even been claimed.

I suspect Im just a chocolate

Simple as in your modifier?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, Pisskop, Titus, Gob, Hu Tao

are the only unclaimed, right?

Idc.

Let's go Gob, Gamma, Pisskop, Titus, Hu Tao?

I refuse to go before Gamma.

Why?

Gob has been “tunneled” on me all game

[Gamma Emerald]

My connection is ultra-fucked rn

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, just go before gob, dont feel like dealing with that

Nah I wanna see Gob try to justify this ploy

[Gamma Emerald]

VT here

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay the lag seems to have been killed for now

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, works for me

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma gagged on the crumb

Ah, that was kinda a visceral reaction because of personal history

[Gamma Emerald]

Im also just gonna get it out there.

i have a strange feeling Hu Tao is gonna fake a guilty on me as the game goes on if I'm living, like I faked a guilty on them the other day, which is one reason I kinda want them to claim here and now on a selfish level.

That will lose the game for town.

So if Hu Tao wants to claim some type of thing like that, claim it now, and target me tonight. I have nothing to hide.

Uh what? How did you “fake” a guilty?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alive players sorted by VT and PR claims

Hu Tao
Naerys
Gamma Emerald
Titus
gob

davesaz
Flavor Leaf
camelCasedSnivy
pisskop

My gut tells me there’s something fishy with the backup watcher claim. I don’t think it’s a lie, but I do think it makes more sense as a scum role. I don’t think there would be 2 vigs and both would be primarily negutil.

[Gamma Emerald]

We have claims from a vig, a cop, several neighbors, and a gunsmith.

I am a PR as well

Here’s pk’s PR claim, looks like it was before tw claimed?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think I implied any doubt on you?

[Gamma Emerald]

You misread
I meant I don’t think both vigs would be negative utility, which was meant to indicate I feel like there was likely more viable shots for the complex vig to make than just smiley

[Gamma Emerald]

ive been like waiting for scum to come after me today, but the only 2 are Hu Tao and Naerys to imply doubt, and that's just boring.

Naerys been doing this since the beginning of the game.

Naerys is my Gob.


Theory: Gob replaced in, and Naerys told them "idk i just been shading Flavor all game, seems to be working out" and then Gob goes "cool, ill shade Gamma nonstop we troll to victory carry me"

i think i'm wild, but i aint wrong

It’s not too farfetched I think

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Naerys

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a little worn out from gaming
But since you mention it, how have you been hunting? I feel like if I look in your ISO I'm gonna find a different story than what you claim is the case.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a little worn out from gaming
But since you mention it, how have you been hunting? I feel like if I look in your ISO I'm gonna find a different story than what you claim is the case.

I can only hunt in two ways.

1. Wagon analysis
2. Tricky trap posts

I caught you through the second.

You ain’t caught shit

[Gamma Emerald]

what game

Pizza Tower
I'm gradually grinding out all the P ranks in the game, I've done about 60% of the levels and all the bosses so far

[Gamma Emerald]

Mafia BP Neighbor Traitor?

could kinda see it

[Gamma Emerald]

also, I had a thought
Subject: DEFCON 6.0 - GAME OVER!

okay y'all I actually want to play this game but I'm frankly overwhelmed by the 50 pages here
What if I chunk the reading and just start playing from here

Okay

T3, Marci, Norweigan

(maybe look at this urself),

Gamma, Klick, Unowen

(look at this), are all town.

Drew

too.

Skygazer, Meuh, Cephirir, Andante

,

Ishitar

has the mafia team.

Some people like marci, norweigan, klick, etc. have SK potential but I won't bother looking for the SK.

these are gob's reads from a completed game

[Gamma Emerald]

Damn, real gamer stuff. I watched videos of it when the game came out. Super cool game. Looks frustrating haha

yeah some parts are aggravating but I've kept my cool for the most part
the only thing to cause me to legit rage was no-hitting the final boss

[Gamma Emerald]

suuuuuure
Let me ask this: if your primary method of sorting people outside of wagon analysis is "setting traps", what are all the traps you've set this game? As far as I can tell you've only tried that on me. That's not sorting, that's tunneling.

[Gamma Emerald]

suuuuuure
Let me ask this: if your primary method of sorting people outside of wagon analysis is "setting traps", what are all the traps you've set this game? As far as I can tell you've only tried that on me. That's not sorting, that's tunneling.

I've set traps against everyone. Every single post contains a trap, basically. Unless its like a quick response.

Anyway I don't really feel any further need to justify my read to you, lol.

quote the traps you had for tw and celeb then

[Gamma Emerald]

lmfao

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe actually ask in a sincere manner

[Gamma Emerald]

uhhhh wtf

So after I say Drew is town Fire and Gamma both jump and say they're town too.

Lol

I feel good about Flavor rn

Seems to be a sheep from my read on Flavor.

Any different thoughts?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I don’t really think you’re scum here, just bad town

[Gamma Emerald]

Why not throw out your “hero shot” scumread? That way if someone copies you it’s obvious?

[Gamma Emerald]

If Naerys is scum I think it's pretty striking that there aren't any attempts at a CW.

I have an idea

[Gamma Emerald]

If Naerys is scum I think it's pretty striking that there aren't any attempts at a CW.

I have an idea

Enlighten us.

Later probably.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like garbage rn so don’t expect anything useful from me for like 18 hours

[Gamma Emerald]

Dave, he's a winwin.

If he's a even cop and gets another result we get another clear.

if hes maf or faking it then when we do flip him he'll give us maf2

What the fork are you saying?

[Gamma Emerald]

what needs clarification.

He either gives us another clear or hes already caught

And if he has a guilty?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I vibe with Dave rn
He feel legitimately exasperated at being questioned relentlessly

[Gamma Emerald]

Lowkey glad dave died because I didn’t want to have to fight off FL from pushing there

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t really process that past the mech talk
I think I have trouble with telling your mechanical speculation from your actual reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Is Gob an alt?

don't think so?

[Gamma Emerald]

gob said he has experience with SirCakez on another site in DEFCON 6.0

[Gamma Emerald]

I mostly focus on interactions as scum, I don’t think I’ve ever explicitly tried to manipulate VCA

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Gob/Gamma

This is a trash take
If we’re scum together there’s zero chance I let Gob make such a boneless push on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you fucking joking me

[Gamma Emerald]

STD tried to shoot THS n1 iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

I find pk’s play bothersome (specifically the interaction around Naerys) but after the booneytoonz game my gut say it’s his town play

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma/Titus - Then Elements is a hot dog hot dog, got it right on replace in. I can't seem to remember any interaction between the 2 of them here.

FMPOV with my experience with Titus I think this could be a bad sign for her

[Gamma Emerald]

whats your read on Gob, Gamma?

He feels like town, but I am concerned about the waffling on me while not feeling like he has any other strong reads. I don’t think I have done much to actually cause him to reconsider based on how he’s acted around me so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

How does everyone else feel about Gob rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

I want more direct thoughts than just “I feel x compared to another slot”

[Gamma Emerald]

You havent proven your role at all flavor. The more we talk about it, the less Im convinced you are a disloyal vig.

i think if PK ends up being scum, this was a slip.

What exactly would he have let slip?

[Gamma Emerald]

???????

[Gamma Emerald]

one of those is dead and the other is a cop clear
it doesn't make sense that your behind either so are you just trolling?

[Gamma Emerald]

you're behind*

[Gamma Emerald]

one of those is dead and the other is a cop clear
it doesn't make sense that your behind either so are you just trolling?

I was just looking at who didnt vote yesterday.

okay. that's pretty funny tbh.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna contribute. Who should I scumread?

@Flavor
@Gamma

my current guess would be Elements and Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

PK is doing conditional responsing to me too. Whenever I go against them, they turn on me on a dime, but when I'm following the way they want, they're nice.

It's how I caught out Catboi in NQSN2.

I question the efficacy of this.

[Gamma Emerald]

ftr I'm not saying the tell is bad, I'm just saying it probably results in town catching strays