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Hello
Going to;
UNVOTE:
For now since idk where my vote is, gonna try my best to read up and catch up. Haven't played in years so I'll try to restart the gears but I do recognize the odd name here.I swear I'm trying my best
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I've read from page 20 onwards because I didn't feel like reading the full 36 pages, if someone has something important that happened prior to that feel free to let me know.
Lurking seems to have been a topic during my read; when I last played I never liked going for lurkers exclusively, the meta back then was neutral on lurkers usually and I was never a fan of eliminating them just purely based on the fact that they were lurking. As a kneejerk rule of thumb I am suspicious of people that ride lurkers hard and scumread them mainly due to inactivity, meta back then had lots of good players who posted little and gunning for lurkers felt like a net scum tactic, but maybe the meta has actually evolved...?
From my read i;
lean town;
ballpointpen (posts on page 20 read town to me. I wrote this down first and started expanding on other players as I read on and I lost my train of thought and im now tired but for now from what i've seen i have no reason to not at least lean town here for now)
GuyinFreezer (I like the straightforward thinking in most of their posts. #498 and #502 feel like kneejerk comments by town.
Flavor Leaf (I like the posts on page 22, thought process and drop of thoughts on a lot of different players feels like a townie going through the motions. They also echo some of my gut reads like lean town on GIF and not liking Adante's push. Gets lost in the sauce on page 6 by talking a lot about chainsaws and hatchets but otherwise seems genuine in their posting.)
kowahbunga (#636 gives me a decent town ping, i like the logic of wanting to move the day along but specifically by getting more info. the timing of this post makes sense to me.)
Malcolmtucker (string of posts on page 27 give me good town vibes, i vibe with their reasoning behind how they make reads and the reasoning feels very genuine, seems honest while providing solid context and content. disagree with the scumread on bpp since I don't think bbp has acted particularly scummy, his scumreading of malcolm read fine to me and i don't think bpp had much to gain from sticking out from the pack and scumreading malcolm a bit, malcolms reaction feels like a town being defensive overall imo.)
Enchant (Glitch had no posts in the pages i read but #745 is hilarious and thats all yall will get out of me for now for this townlean)
Kittytacky (general vibe seems to be town for me tbh, that's all I got atm I'm just trying to finish reading at this point)
neutral;
save dragons (tbh I can't get a read on this player for now, posting is a bit sporadic and hard for me to just get a read on atm)
Adante (#510 to #515 is very scatterbrained and I don't fully buy the logic behind reading Hu Tao as scum for their interactions with Glitch, but i can't pin this behavior to either town or scum tbh. the subsequent hounding of players for thoughts on Hu Tao I also read as both as town following a tunnel read or scum getting easy engagement. #573 and #574 don't sit well with me either, former is an oversight since Flavor did give some thoughts on Hao, that alone is null but latter post feels suspiciously defensive. outburst on page 24 feels a bit more townie though, i see town pushing for activity more in this scenario. subsequent tunneling and justification being based on hao being inactive is then less attractive to me. the logic of activity = town and lurking = scum is really double downed on later on and idk what to make of it tbh. this is a read i'd lean scum if i received some convincing but tbh this could just be town with some goofy logic i dont jive with)
NJAC (finally started posting a bit on page 32, officially neutral but they seem to keep claiming they are catching up while showing no effort to contribute until page 33 or so and the posts there are all over the place.)
lean scum;
bud bidderskins (#494 and #496 rubbed me the wrong way, accepting that you consider someone as scummy while trying to distance yourself from their wagon feels like either scum trying to distance themselves or get free "caution" points. #604 is also a post, the overly cautious approach again reads like scum looking for brownie points, while also looking for a new wagon to sponsor. #657 doesn't feel like a genuine town reaction either, don't know what town gains from showing such repetitive exasperation over glitch being wagoned. #848 is a post I like though for what its worth)
Hu Tao (not a fan of the spamposting on page 25, claims isnt lurking cause they have 9th most posts and then late says the same thing but with 5th most points probably because they made like 15 posts on 1 page. posts at the bottom of page 27 are also kind of sus, they don't really add anything to the convo and read like flippant scum. posts top of page 32 really ping my scumdar too, just don't like the mix of defeated voting for NJAC and being jokingly dismissive of dragons post)
cephrir (#602 rubbed me the wrong way, maybe because i don't buy Adante's tunneling on Hao, but this is also just a kneejerk gutread. could be a nonchalant townie looking to get some traction but this reads more like scum trying to smoothly hop on a wagon after another player has filled the half of 2 pages with tunnel reads. lots of posts after this in future pages feel like noncontributive and fluffy. behaviour on page 29 also doesn't sit well with me, just kind of reminds of scum back in the day who mostly just posted casual fluff. #757 and #759 however read kind of town to me, the random slapdown on Flavor feels both accurate and town motivated for the most part)
greeting (don't like the NJAC in #668, logic feels contradictory and this boils down to my old meta of not killing lurkers just for being lurkers, greeting pushing this while acknowledging the cons just reads so weird to me.
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idk who i missed in my reads list, tbh i'm just tired. I kind of skimmed the last few pages just so I could say I am "caught up"
I'm most open to voting cephrir or hu tao tbh, both just ping my gut as scum the most consistently.I swear I'm trying my best
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is spamming your thoughts as one sentence posts the meta now or something
zzzzzI swear I'm trying my best
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I wasn't scumreading you based on just that per say, it was just an observation. I think spamming and wallposting ultimately are both null tells since it's easy to do as both factions. Town can make less but larger posts and be constructive and useful just as scum can just spam the thread with a stream of thought that looks authentic but really doesn't take a lot of effort to fake. I find it more interesting that you and others seem to put as much weight/consideration on reading players off of posting style and activity.In post 914, Hu Tao wrote:
I don't know this is my first real game on this site. I like catching up in real time. One post catchup reads fake to me cause it can be constructed to look a certain way. But that's just my opinion. If you're going to scumread me for playstyle that's on you not meIn post 906, Venmar wrote: is spamming your thoughts as one sentence posts the meta now or something
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In post 924, Save The Dragons wrote: cephrir is probably town here guys
greeting too
njac is probably town tho despite having bad takes
hu tao is ???
let's kill hu tao
what a nice list of mostly L takes
In post 927, Save The Dragons wrote: ceph has a certain energy as scum that he doesn't really have hereIn post 932, Save The Dragons wrote: cephrir can be grumpy and smarmy and sassy as scum, he's less those things not as scum
I don't follow the thought process and ironically I feel like ceph has been the things you're describing as his scum playstyleI swear I'm trying my best
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Also on the topic of greeting;
^ I'd be curious to hear how anyone here could read this post as coming from a townie POV.In post 669, Greeting wrote: Why is everyone so hesitant to voteNJACout?
From my perspective, a lot of players can be easily ruled out and get town passes for the time being. Meanwhile, that slot contributed literally nothing. If we keep him in the game and allow him to coast around, we will not be moving forward.I swear I'm trying my best
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disagreeIn post 937, GuyInFreezer wrote: It’s Day 1 so I find that reasonable to come from any alignment tbh
consistency doesn't always = good imoIn post 938, GuyInFreezer wrote:In post 261, Greeting wrote: There's definitely at least one scum in: {KittyTacky,NJAC,Glitch}. I'll see in the postgame if my instincts were right.In post 669, Greeting wrote: Why is everyone so hesitant to voteNJACout?
From my perspective, a lot of players can be easily ruled out and get town passes for the time being. Meanwhile, that slot contributed literally nothing. If we keep him in the game and allow him to coast around, we will not be moving forward.
Like, it’s all on track too.In post 684, Greeting wrote:
I’m starting to think that is the case too. Players like him should be policy-elimmed, and it’s very surprising that there’s only four votes on him so far.In post 683, Flavor Leaf wrote: Scum really don’t want NJAC executed.
I will look into theHu Taowagon later though.
i just feel like "policy-elimming" lurkers as a D1 strategy is more likely to be adapted by scum who want to coast to a free lim in D1. It's made worse by the fact that NJAC became more active not long after the last of these posts and has been more useful recently
beetlejuice vibesIn post 940, Cephrir wrote: if you all want to vote me so bad, do it
split on who to vote on tbh, it's between ceph, greeting and hao for meI swear I'm trying my best
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VOTE: CephrirI swear I'm trying my best
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discord emojiI swear I'm trying my best
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oh i didnt know they worked on this site lolI swear I'm trying my best
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For the record I am not scumreading cephrir due to his scum meta, I can't even recall if i've played with him before. ceph is almost certainly a better player than me, but my reasoning boils down to "vibes" and ceph's play just reminding me of an active and "chill talking" scum of old. Any comments I made about ceph's playstyle have mostly been me pointing out the contradiction in dragon's read on him which is a reflection of my thoughts on dragon more than anything.I swear I'm trying my best
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careful ceph, leaf will call you scum for criticizing his njac wagon
tbh though I'd like more input from Kitty, Flavor Leaf, karmadog and stargazer for varying reasonsI swear I'm trying my best
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I just finished moving and I am literally dead, but going to chime in a bit since it'll keep me sane for now
I mean tbf I have only read from page 20 onwards so idk if I can comment on how much did progress in D1 up until that point; if not much did then your post and the timing of it made sense to me, so if I accept that your assessment was correct then andante's dismissal of it and trying to shut it down isn't something that necessarily pings town for me.In post 1008, Kowahbunga wrote:
What's your opinion of post 645? It was in response to the post of mine you liked.In post 890, Venmar wrote: kowahbunga (#636 gives me a decent town ping, i like the logic of wanting to move the day along but specifically by getting more info. the timing of this post makes sense to me.)
My read on andante overall is mostly neutral but i haven't liked a lot of her posts like I said in the post you quoted me in, a lot of it feels like bad takes and poorly motivated. Could maybe be shown the light.I swear I'm trying my best
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Bub really do be just looking for the most viable wagon like a moth attracted to blood, it's pattern I've noticed most of the time when he pops in to post.
Cephrir's frustration over how he's being read by some players also seems quite genuine to me but idk if it's AI yet...I swear I'm trying my best
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Putting in this much effort to discredit/scrutinize the wagon on the Glitch/Enchant slot (on numerous occasions) despite not strongly town reading them also just feels off to me... especially since Enchant isn't a leading wagon atm.In post 1140, Bub Bidderskins wrote: It's not like I've got a super strong town read on them or anything, and I am willing to be persuaded of that slot's scumminess, but I have not seen anything resembling a case against them in the slightest. It's just a bunch of massively low-effort bs about how they look scummy without any analysis or argument of how their play is scummy at all.I swear I'm trying my best
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Also the more I read back on Hu and Andante I feel like one has to be scum and one has to be town, I just don't buy the way Andante has gunned for Hu all game that it comes from scum tunneling scum. I think elimming one of the two likely yields us the most info based off of how much they have interacted up until now. I've like Hu's posting a bit more recently as I think they're trying to contribute in a way that they think is useful whereas I found Andante's outburst over being close to elim (sympathy for the emotions aside) more scum motivated than not to throw up your hands and refuse to claim, which I think town would do when necessary and scum would try to avoid to not get caught in a fakeclaim if possible.
Considering I don't think Cephrir is a legitimate target to push for now combined with me actually wanting to see him post more in the future, and that there isn't much time to pivot to Bub, I'm inclined to make my vote more useful by;
VOTE: AndanteI swear I'm trying my best
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As a side note I'd like to see Flavor Leaf contribute more than mostly theory talk, feel like most of his posts that I've seen are majority discussing meta and terms like chainsaw, hatchet, etc, though I might be having selective memory. I liked some of his earlier posts like #543 and #545 and would like similar kind of insight on players again.
In post 1156, Hu Tao wrote: Like nothing of this indicates one of us has to be scum. We could both be town and wrong as well. So i don't get the whole 'one has to be scum' thing. And usually is a scummy post from my experience
I mean without some flips and power results, we're all just flexing the brain muscle to try and deduce results based off of words we say, I'm not holding a graph that says what I said must true, I'm just telling you the gut feeling I got over you two. I find Andante the scummier of you two and if she flips scum then I think the way she has sussed you it'll make you more town in my eyes.I swear I'm trying my best
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NJAC's comment towards Kitty's keyboard thing is probably just dumb and NAI y'all should chill
In post 1158, Bub Bidderskins wrote:
I've been very consistent with my reads. CKD is likely scum and got off easy for some reason despite a super sketchy claim, and Hu has been my main number 2 read since the middle of the day. The other wagons on scummy players I could be persuaded to jump on if we come to a time crunch because not limming D-1 is a failure, but, unlike a huge number of slippery folks here, I've actually been consistent in my reads.In post 1147, Venmar wrote: Bub really do be just looking for the most viable wagon like a moth attracted to blood, it's pattern I've noticed most of the time when he pops in to post.
Cephrir's frustration over how he's being read by some players also seems quite genuine to me but idk if it's AI yet...
If you want to go after someone who's constantly jumped to popular wagons, look at Hu. Maybe Cephir as well who constantly seems to complain about how everyone looks vaguely scummy but has never actually pushed anyone.
It's because I'm legitimately confused about the Glitch/Enchant scumread. It just seemed like it came out of nowhere and nobody every explained it. Like all the lurkers I get. Andante I get because she's been super slippery and jumping all over the place. Greeting even I get because they haven't contributed much but keep popping in with pretty low effort posts. But Glitch seemed like they put in effort but didn't have the time IRL. I didn't understand why people thought Glitch's posting style was scummy but haven't batted an eye at all the one-sentence semi-spam posts that do nothing to advance the game state.In post 1151, Venmar wrote:
Putting in this much effort to discredit/scrutinize the wagon on the Glitch/Enchant slot (on numerous occasions) despite not strongly town reading them also just feels off to me... especially since Enchant isn't a leading wagon atm.In post 1140, Bub Bidderskins wrote: It's not like I've got a super strong town read on them or anything, and I am willing to be persuaded of that slot's scumminess, but I have not seen anything resembling a case against them in the slightest. It's just a bunch of massively low-effort bs about how they look scummy without any analysis or argument of how their play is scummy at all.
Ceph and to a lesser extent Hu are people I scumread or have scumread so I have looked at them, you've just been one of the most willing players to change your vote to accommodate a larger wagon and it'd come with you popping in just to say you're looking to support a more viable wagon. Consistency or not the willingness to flip flop on your priority just reads off to me.
Re: Glitch/Enchant, where do you read the slot currently? Are they a solid town read for you?I swear I'm trying my best
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Also jfc I just realized we are at 48 pages. I have plenty of large games in my history that ended around the 50-55 page mark.
I change my mind, we need to end this stupid day like right nowI swear I'm trying my best
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I feel stronger about Andante and they're the larger wagon thoughIn post 1191, Cephrir wrote: Then vote hu taoI swear I'm trying my best
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I think Ceph and Hu might be scum together, those skygazer votes stink hardI swear I'm trying my best
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Cephrir employing the "it is just so unreasonable that I am being scumread, I must be getting pranked and trolled" form of defense strategy I see.I swear I'm trying my best
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Definitely not the fact that this day has gone on for an eternity and you and Hu (the person you kept telling me to te) are trying to pointlessly derail to skygazer atm, or am i the clown rnI swear I'm trying my best
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In post 1231, Cephrir wrote: i bet scum are just as baffled by the scumreads on me as i am
- calls himself town being scumread by townIn post 1232, Cephrir wrote:
yeah saying im scum with hu tao is incredibly unreasonable and you are scum or a clown for saying itIn post 1230, Venmar wrote: Cephrir employing the "it is just so unreasonable that I am being scumread, I must be getting pranked and trolled" form of defense strategy I see.
- calls me possibly scum despite consistently being sus of you since i joined
pick one?I swear I'm trying my best
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I wasn't trying to tilt you or make you upset. I'm sorry if I was. Feel better.I swear I'm trying my best
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I'm just interested in ending this day tbh, my read on Skygazer is officially null/neutral and I just feel like there's better options out thereIn post 1250, Save The Dragons wrote:
Skygazer has done nothing all game and you wanna protect them for ??? ReasonsIn post 1225, Venmar wrote: I think Ceph and Hu might be scum together, those skygazer votes stink hardI swear I'm trying my best
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Malcolm is definitely town btw
Cephrir's posts on this page are actually... good? Not sure what to make of it now tbh
Someone give me a TL;DR on why Skygazer is of interest because I don't feel like figuring it out on my own right now, thanksI swear I'm trying my best
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They stunk in the sense that I thought they were derailing from viable wagons when this day has already been unforgivingly long, not because I felt strongly one way or another about Stargazer.In post 1401, Save The Dragons wrote:
you said the votes on skygazer stink so why would you have that on a null slot :thinking_emoji:In post 1399, Venmar wrote:
I'm just interested in ending this day tbh, my read on Skygazer is officially null/neutral and I just feel like there's better options out thereIn post 1250, Save The Dragons wrote:
Skygazer has done nothing all game and you wanna protect them for ??? ReasonsIn post 1225, Venmar wrote: I think Ceph and Hu might be scum together, those skygazer votes stink hard
At this point I just think that we are all so scatterbrained that scum are probably just laughing at us since we have spent 56 pages just unable to find a consensus wagon or actually work together. The lack of direction in this game is detrimental imo.
I did ask in #1399 for someone to TL;DR the stargazer wagon to me so maybe you could oblige meI swear I'm trying my best
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So they're scum because they scumread Ceph and are active and engaged?In post 1404, Save The Dragons wrote: well you see skygazer has been constantly updating us with their thoughts in the thread and not lurking. they've been here and present and clearly explained their not random scumread on cephrir. they haven't just posted excuses, they've been active and engaged.I swear I'm trying my best
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Listen it's not my fault sarcasm doesn't always translate well in forum textI swear I'm trying my best
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Idk but I thought #1411 was funny.I swear I'm trying my best
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Oh I didn't realize Skygazer has 5 votesI swear I'm trying my best
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Flavor who should I vote.I swear I'm trying my best
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I'm in agreement, Bub's been pinging me most of the game with how he mostly just pops in to find a new wagon to moth to.In post 1520, Flavor Leaf wrote: Bud’s been momentum wrangling all game based on his ISO. I don’t have time to really case right now, but i got giant scum pings from their last post, so I started to look a little deeper, and it looks like they’ve had a lot of type of posts that say a lot, take a stance, but really doesn’t say much of anything.
Like theyre stating what‘s happening, and then choosing how they feel about it rather than naturally feeling it.
Idk if there is traction or time to pivot to Bub but I'd be down for that push in the future.I swear I'm trying my best
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Stinky stinky. It's not about just the pagecount, the game has been going on for almost 3 weeks now and could go on longer as Ceph is now slated to probably get replaced too. I think at a certain point when a day has been dragged on for as long as this one has, the focus gets lost in all the noise and fatigue. I think scum would be the ones mostly interested in prolonging the day and avoiding a consensus since keeping town confused and divided is ultimately more useful than a cheap 'lim.In post 1533, curiouskarmadog wrote:
in this net of two you are throwing....(and this is a serious question) are Bub and myself both scum? If the answer is some version of "NO" then YES you shouldIn post 1523, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m almost willing to go Curious today because of the softie.
But yeah, Bud pinged my scum tinglings.
lynch(something about a machine) one of us. I think a lot of information could be garnered from our flips actually. I mean, look you have already laid the ground work to go after one of us tomorrow, why not do it now. There are more than enough people here who have expressed interest in my wagon. And I imagine scum will use the length of the game as a guise to "vote X because the game is going to long".
That reminds, Ive been a 100 page D1 game. This is nothing. It is a large game with people you like to have one word posts. Get over (to all) it or replace out, but leaning on "I just want this day to end so I dont care" is a cop out....and scum will DEFINITELY be saying this at the end.
Also I don't think there is anything that Flavor said that'd indicate both you and Bub HAD to be scum together and it's weird to me you went straight to theorizing that. Painting the situation as a black and white one that seemingly makes it seem like the choice is either you or Bub just feels like a sussy defense aimed at getting you at least into N1.I swear I'm trying my best
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Dragon what happened to Cephrir, pls console him and tell him we'll be nice this timeI swear I'm trying my best
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wouldn't the failure to build a large enough wagon on you count as you being slippery?In post 1553, Skygazer wrote: i do think there are multiple ppl here who know how slippery i am as scum and know this isny v likely to be scum me
I disagree fundamentally with going for people solely due to the activity/lurking or meta, but you've definitely not contributed in any meaningful way imoI swear I'm trying my best
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What's your read on dragon and bubIn post 1559, Skygazer wrote: dont rlly feel the need to contribute rn if that isnt obvious
ill have more to go on laterI swear I'm trying my best
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I haven't played with you before (that i remember) so idk, but being "slippery" or manipulative doesn't have to be fancy or elaborate
Answer my question in #1553 pls
PEdit: @SkyI swear I'm trying my best
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Lol I remember reading that and it fell out of my head
Why is StD null? Their almost tunneled push for you hasn't made you feel one way or another?I swear I'm trying my best
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There is no way that we spawned 13 pages between me going to work this morning and coming backI swear I'm trying my best
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FL and Malcolm were in my town pile for most of the game, I believe the mason claim.
I think Andante is the elim to go with to end this infernal day tbhI swear I'm trying my best
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What are your other accounts out of curiosity?In post 1955, Flavor Leaf wrote: I forgot how jaded I get playing games after 9 years of being on site. Add up my 2 main accounts, I might have the highest post count of all time. Not sure if that's correct, though. stoned thoughts.I swear I'm trying my best
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Don't know if I'm going to be much interested in any other flip today aside from Andante either
Ah, I feel like I might've played with your Boonskiies account before but was curious since I've never played with you as FL before.In post 2036, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Main one, Boonskiies.In post 2031, Venmar wrote:
What are your other accounts out of curiosity?In post 1955, Flavor Leaf wrote: I forgot how jaded I get playing games after 9 years of being on site. Add up my 2 main accounts, I might have the highest post count of all time. Not sure if that's correct, though. stoned thoughts.
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probably a few more.I swear I'm trying my best
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I'm so lost, haven't been around since like Page 82 and came home one day to Kitty being dead.
Gonna try my best to do somekind of a catchup.
All I'll say for now is that NJAC visited me last night with a loud actionI swear I'm trying my best
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Actually I don't feel like reading 30 pages can someone just loop me in or point to things I should care aboutI swear I'm trying my best
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I've done a very surface level catchup, I've been busy with work and settling in to my new place tbh, but I'll try to be more useful from now on.
Truth is that NJAC visited me last night with a loud action and honestly that's all I know about that :shrug:
I was away at work the whole time the Kitty wagon got run up; I initially remember townreading Kitty when I first replaced in and then my read slowly became null because they didn't post much. Honestly idk if I would have supported the wagon if I was around at the end of last day, but the fact that the wagon was virtually spontaneously flashed into existence by FL and Andante makes me think that one or both of them are town because to randomly pivot so hard to elimming a partner is just insane to me. I've TRead FL pretty consistently so this makes FL almost conf town in my eyes in particular.
@Flavor;What changed your mind on Bub? Seems like you have warmed up to him quite a bit but I recall you scumreading him quite a bit D1, what changed?
CKD's push on me based off of the NJAC visit could be a townie mindset but it's also a very surface level analysis, NJAC visited me but that's really it, I'm assuming NJAC is just a regular visitor. NJAC voting me since he visited me makes sense from his POV since he might as well pressure his target for content, but CKD's hyper-focus on it doesn't feel like a genuine scumhunting tactic considering how non-informative visitors are in general, trying to squeeze water from a stone so to speak. I think Enchant picked up on the same thing as me here in this regard.
Don't like Hu Tao's posts this day as usual tbh, pushing star for being more active (?) doesn't make sense to me. Most of their posts I just don't see much meaningful contribution tbh and mostly just easy jabs or fluffy posts like not wanting to rush this day, I'd say keeping this day succinct is completely fine since we got a scum lim and a N1 NK plus D1 was so infernally long.
Gimli's posts I've mostly vibed with tbh, but I think he replaced Cephrir who I was consistently scumreading so idk what to make of a townie looking person replacing someone I was SReading.I swear I'm trying my best
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I still feel good about Hu Tao being scum since I don't think their play has improved from D1 and their hop on the Kitty wagon feels like a bus than a townie hoping on. CKD I don't think is trying to gamesolve organically, and honestly I still scumread you (Bub). Andante I was leaning scum on but I think the Kitty elim makes Andante scum pretty unlikely due to them helping kickstart that wagon.
So I guess my reads are roughly this;
Lean scum:
Hu Tao
CKD
Bub
Null:
Greeting (I used to scumread this slot but this is also a bit of a stale read)
Eiralox (I used to like BPP's posts tbh but this is a stale read and I don't think Eiralox has posted much since)
GIF (used to TR, hasn't posted in a while so read has also gone stale)
Enchant (I vibe with the playstyle but tbh it's mostly NAI for me)
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Malcolm (I used to townread him and would still lean that way tbh but this read is a bit stale)
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Kowah
NJAC
Gimli
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FL
Lots of nulls just cause I haven't kept up as much as I'd like to and a lot of the players there either don't post much or I haven't paid much attention, well try to get on correcting thatI swear I'm trying my best
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It just felt necessary to me idk, it was a piece of I info I had I thought I'd share since I guess I'm getting run up today. "loud actions" in PMs weren't really a thing for me when I last played tbh, I just assumed visitor made the most sense not a diff PRIn post 2705, curiouskarmadog wrote:Venmar, what WAS the purpose of announcing who targeted you?I swear I'm trying my best
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Gotta go to work, I'll circle back if I'm still alive in like 8-9 hours :shrug:I swear I'm trying my best
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My catchup was pretty surface level but you were the 4th vote on the wagon..? Feels like the back and forth between you and FL is what sparked the wagon one way or another. I'm not hard townreading you but I'm just saying what my vibe from that was.In post 2701, Andante wrote: Also, you don't even have NJAC on this reads list? I thought you were automatically scumreading NJAC? I see no NJAC sr on this...
Also your reason to TR me is garbage. I was super against a kitty lim..
"makes Andante scum pretty unlikely due to them helping kickstart that wagon." I like said no to kitty a good 2-3 times....I swear I'm trying my best
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Was my outing of NJAC visiting me NAI as you imply in the first part or was it scummy because I'm walking the line by telling the truth to gain towncred like you imply in the second part? Which is it? You then in #2762 say that my slot is just "scummy" and needs to flip. If my NJAC out is NAI to you then what about me is convincing you I am a necessary flip other than that I've been busy the last few days?In post 2753, Gimli wrote: I think y'all reading too much into it. it makes sense regardless of venmar's alignment to out that he was targeted by a loud action - and the person who targeted him. if you don't out it, it looks sus and the person who targeted you can push you for it, depending on what they did.
as mafia it's a good idea to walk the line of being as truthful as possible, so that you can gain some towncred which is what venmar is getting now. I think the lacklustre content of the slot is way more alignment indicative and how we should be scumhunting.I swear I'm trying my best
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NJAC is someone I have townread more since this day started. I was mostly null reading that slot D1 and the fact that I am not pushing the slot anymore means I don't think I was visited by scum but this is a conclusion I landed upon this day and honestly somewhat after I outed the info.In post 2790, Hu Tao wrote: If I saw my townread visited me I would not out it
Why beat a dead horse with this point though? Is that and continually saying that we should take this day slow your only way of contributing?I swear I'm trying my best
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In post 2952, Save The Dragons wrote: i dunno i just want to hunt off wagon
You guys can literally timestamp the end of D1 to my work schedule (seem my sig) to see that Kitty got run up during me being at work, I came home to a flip. Don't know if I would've joined the wagon anyway.
Hu tao is the push for me but maybe I'll have to give FL's post a closer read to see what's going on with Andante, my eyes mostly glazed over the few new pages.
Tbh I'm pretty sure@Gimliignored my #2788 and I'd like a response. Feels like I'm getting run up for being busy or for "vibes", idk, which on the part of Gimli feels like misdirected townie based on the vibes I get from their posts but in the case of people like Hu, Andante, etc, it just feels jumping on the low fruit rather than trying to actually gamesolve, or at least it feels that way to me until I understand what the "case" against me is.I swear I'm trying my best
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In post 2961, Flavor Leaf wrote: Gimli going off vibes makes a lot of sense for a TownGimli case, though.
I get general town vibes from Gimli like I said, reading by vibes and guy is fine, I tend to do it a lot but I do think there's probably other players riding Gimli's coattails in this regardI swear I'm trying my best
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In post 2949, Flavor Leaf wrote: I just don't really see CKD as being scum here at all right now
Any chance you'd expand on this? I've had bad vibes from CKD earlier tbh
Gave your case on Andante a bit of a read, it doesn't fully to me probably because this is the only time I've played with her and a lot of your reasoning seems to come down to meta and how you think !scumAndante tends to manipulate as scum? Many of Andante's posts are very erratic, omgusy or devoid of focus, which for me is always hard to read personally with anything more than vibes. She seems to just lash out at everyone on a whim and react strongly to the smallest pushes, but maybe this is a part of how she manipulates? Honestly my initial read on her from day start is still a tiny townlean since I just feel like a scum motivation should've overridden her playstyle a bit to not be an influence in the start of the Kitty wagon like she was.I swear I'm trying my best
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*it doesnt speak full to me...
forgot a word ^I swear I'm trying my best
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In post 2886, Andante wrote: there's a weird dynamic between kowabungah/FL/curiouskarmadog right now, and I'm not sure all 3 are town
What makes you say that?
In post 2862, Andante wrote: but this constant fight of saying I’m town is exhausting. can we either vote me out or establish Im town from here on out today? cause day after day of this will piss people off… especially when the 3 scum + people who know me… KNOW im town here
Don't like this post though, maybe this is what FL was referring to as "defeatist" but this does read to me as exasperated scum who is trying to regain control of their game image.
In post 2929, Gimli wrote: FL tbh I'm not interested in andante slot today. I think I'd have to read a lot and I'm just fine not having andante in my solve rn. it's d2 with one dead wolf, I say we kill the people not playing/lurkey slots posting scummy stuff first. I think andante should be considered way way way down the line. but I'll come back to this and read through eventually I guess.
I'd disagree and say that since we got a scum D1 and a NK on N1, we can afford to elim someone higher profile with lots of posts to get us more info from a flip, since we have the extra breathing room to do more analysis now and in the future, Flipping a lurker is low-hanging fruit tbh when I don't think we need to resort to that atm.I swear I'm trying my best
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Vote: AndanteI swear I'm trying my best
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Also I took a quick dive into Kitty's ISO, and it's making me feel better about Enchant, who Kitty kept blindly pushing which to me just reads as scum trying to charge down a townie, and Kitty's focus on Skygazer in #1949 when prompted to join a large wagon also helps support FL's theory that scum were trying to push a wagon that wasn't Andante. Both interactions make me feel better about Sky and Enchant as being a bit more likely to be town than scun. Kitty's ISO also puts some water on my Gimli TR though since Kitty was soft defending Cephrir multiple times in posts like #1031 and #1393 and it feels bit like buddying a bit to me, but it's not enough to flip my read for now. It mostly makes me think that maybe my push suspicions on Ceph in D1 might've been correct but Gimli has been ostensibly way more townie than Cephrir so it's a balance scale for me now...I swear I'm trying my best
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