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ok i had a thought that is probably stupid but like
when you guys say you've seen people fake being new, what was the context for why they did that and how they used that idea? because like, the hectic thing sounds like he was trolling, and i don't think that's what happened with obscure.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i mean, okay, sorry if what i said was rudeIn post 8435, Datisi wrote:
hectic played that game straight, he wasn't trolling or gamethrowingIn post 8433, Ausuka wrote:ok i had a thought that is probably stupid but like
when you guys say you've seen people fake being new, what was the context for why they did that and how they used that idea? because like, the hectic thing sounds like he was trolling, and i don't think that's what happened with obscure.
later on, he told me he hammered bc he had a strong scumread on the player and didn't wanna let him get away because of a pr claim
but he pretended to be new, so
i guess i'd rephrase my question to put more emphasis on like why obscure might have done that?
this might be dumb but my thought was like... if he was pretending to be new, it might explain his behaviour around deas, if deas is scum? because if people believe obscure is new, they would be reluctant to believe he would tunnel a partner like that?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i mean, maybe i'm missing something? but i feel like the way he pushed deas throughout the game, starting with d1 when hem was pretty widely townread, i don't really think that's accurate. not to mention, i don't feel like obscure was present enough to be anything but a vote on the DV wagon? i hardly felt like he was making subtantial efforts to save hem at the time. i feel like the time where hem and dv were both wagons was, like, a short period towards the end of day 2.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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like iirc the hem thing was like
i was townleaning him vaguely, i feel like most people were too, scamper was somewhat sus of him
and then he went and like slapped scamper in the face and they had a fight and hem like blew up all his towncred by being weirdly aggro?
and iirc it was quite sudden, scamper built that wagon quickly. i'm skeptical of wagonomics around that, and certainly i don't think obscure was playing around it.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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oh, i guess i missed this originally >.>In post 8437, fireisredsir wrote:also idk maybe im gullible (i am) but i don't think obscure was faking to that extent. he def did play up his newness a bit to hide behind tho
i was more surprised by him saying he was an english teacher tbh i didn't get those vibes at all
as for his read on me i don't think there was a lot of intent on walking it back? he townread me p hard like right after that and continued to so do i think
i felt like the wording of the first townread on you was sorta overly cautious, but you are right he did not walk it back and maintained a strong townread on you, which is kinda anti associative
but also if ur town i dont know who maf would be loleNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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and i answered that i am trying to figure stuff out?In post 8452, Datisi wrote:
the massclaim order isn't just my reads, i was honoring scamper's there tooIn post 8450, Ausuka wrote:datisi put me fourth on his list so
also i literally asked whether you scumread deasvail because otherwise i don't see why you're doing this (with the implication being WHY do you scumread him because i feel i have very decent reasons to townread him) but go off igNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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like am i not allowed to like talk or speculate about things unless i explicitly scumread a person? i obviously do not townread deas as strongly as you do; i have not felt like his play has been particularly town across the game. i don't think he is the most likely player in the game to be scum and in particular the obscure tunnel on deas is +town for deas, would be my main point to think that. so if i have a thought that might explain a deas scum world why shouldn't i do it? why do i have to view everyone as explicitly scumread or not scumread and if i'm not scumreading someone i'm not even allowed to fucking discuss the possibility they might be scum apparentlyNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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no??????In post 8461, Thestatusquo wrote:You said that you're worried about being limmed because of being fourth on datisi's list?
you *asked me* why i put myself on that list and i answered.
i am not worried about being eliminated, if it happens it will probably be in the distant future and would require the Obvious Suspects to be town. i was just like trying to re engage in the game and i felt like that was being shut down which i wouldn't mind if it was just like "this doesn't make sense and here is why", but obviously i am not going to enjoy the implication that i shouldn't even discuss the possibility of someone being scum unless i explicitly scumread them.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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no? obviously that isn't happening. i was pushing back against the idea that we shouldn't discuss people being scum unless we think that's the *most likely possibility* because in that case, yeah we might as well just save ourselves an incredible amount of time and effort and chainlim peopleNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i feel like an asshole now lol
i didn't mean to lash out, i thought datisi was criticising me poking around deas without scumreading him and tried to respond that i thought it was unreasonable to expect me not to do that, i don't mean to lash out at anyone suspecting me. i did not even perceive that as datisi suspecting me but saying my posts were pointless.
i think i tend to do badly in arguments with emotions involved and i think my words here portrayed more than i was actually feeling. i am going to stop playing mafia soon and then i will try to sort that out.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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It's ok, I shouldn't have reacted like that anywayIn post 8537, Datisi wrote:
sorry, i should've made it clear what i was saying immediatelyIn post 8483, Ausuka wrote:i didn't mean to lash out, i thought datisi was criticising me poking around deas without scumreading him and tried to respond that i thought it was unreasonable to expect me not to do that, i don't mean to lash out at anyone suspecting me. i did not even perceive that as datisi suspecting me but saying my posts were pointless.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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This is like beetlejuice but instead of appearing when people say my name I appear when people say sleep deprivation
Anyway uh I think datisi asked me why I'm not townreading deas and honestly honestly I am not in the mood right now to write a wall but I wasn't a massive fan of his d2 play and I still think the pushes on frog and Marci felt kind of like... Targeting two players who I'd definitely consider limbait if town
But more so I don't think I've seen anything that convincing that he's town except the obscure push? Which to be fair is a big thing and I do also remember him having some towny posts? One of them was about gamma but I'm too tired to look it up pls bully me into talking about it later if you care
I think his approach today is kinda what I'd expect scum to do but to be fair it also makes sense coming from town dead I guess? I am making s mental note to look into his Shea progression because I remember feeling weird about it but I don't have much to back that upNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I do not think what frog is saying makes a ton of sense as either alignment honestly and he seems to just be incredibly tilted regardless?In post 8668, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think it already has been. I think its incredibly productive for deas and ausuka and whomever else is not voting frogster to see this utter sham of a fake scum read that he is ex post facto and hilariously trying to justify by digging in his iso and looking for any post that he can try to stretch to be similar to something he might be "feeling" about GL right now.In post 8665, Dannflor wrote:Shea do you think this is going to get productive at any point
I feel like what fire is doing makes more sense as a scum strategy than what frog is doing fwiw and I think my vote there is better right now. Pushing frog is like, idk I think pretty easy to do here because he's being so aggro and it's difficult to understand. Sorry frog.
Also I'm getting tilted at this website why does it keep logging me out aaaaaaahNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I think if scum are in fire and frog we probably win anyway so like idk maybe I should spend more time thinking about other people??? This game is hard tbh I think it's most likely to be fire but no one really feels like a good fit as last scum right now
I guess I'll like try and iso frog and read his early game while I'm on the bus today?
Pedit: I feel like if I was tilted town there I probably wouldn't self hammer? Or are you basing this off frog's personality that would make more sense. I don't really have a good enough understanding of him to analyse like that
Also I just woke up so sorry if this doesn't make sense I can clarify if someone asksNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i mean this hardly seems like he's getting away with it or whateverIn post 8687, fireisredsir wrote:
seems like a pretty effective strategy if people are gonna townread him for it and let him get away with it all game!In post 8675, Ausuka wrote:I feel like what fire is doing makes more sense as a scum strategy than what frog is doing fwiw and I think my vote there is better right now. Pushing frog is like, idk I think pretty easy to do here because he's being so aggro and it's difficult to understand. Sorry frog.
just bc pushing frog is easy doesn't mean it isn't correct
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anyway yeah idk maybe i am wrong? i am not literally certain frog is town obviously. i don't think scum frog is the most likely possibility here right now. i am willing to look into his iso more later but in the last game i played with him i thought he was scum for what i thought was a nonsense push on me and he was town so am not very keen on voting him for the same reasons in this game.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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are you like, confident dv is scum at this point? this seems kind of incongruent with earlier where you were like sure frog is scum and dv was just the person you townread the least somewhatIn post 8750, fireisredsir wrote:
THE HATERS DIDN'T LISTEN, I WAS ON TO SOMETHING HEREIn post 5181, fireisredsir wrote:
the vc led me to consider it bc i think deas is scum, but it doesn't really feel like scum are piling on obscure's wagon or anything? the vibes rn to me at least just kinda feel like mostly active town who mostly feel similarly about stuff and then who knows what scum are doingIn post 5147, Something_Smart wrote:It's possible, is there anything in particular leading you to consider that?
it doesn't feel like scum are in control of anything here
another possibility is that both wagons are town but then like i have no idea who scum even would be at that point. maybe i do have a wrong townread somewhere, idk
at least that was my thought process on seeing the vc
it also feels to me like there is a weird resistance to deas going through but the people who want an obscure lim probably feel the same about obscure and so like... my thought was maybe they're both right
i haven't really seen a single convincing reason for obscure being scum tho so
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I mean I don't feel like my reads this game have been good at all unless it's like exactly you as the remaining scum but also like I know I tend to be self critical so maybe I would like to hear from someone else if fire's perception is normal to have
I also don't feel like I've actually been that confident about any of those things and am sort of confused where you got that perception?
pedit: relatable tbh i hate when ppl say reasonable things and you townread them for it even though you know you shouldn'tNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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wow ok i thought that big case was pretty cool i guess not
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pedit: shrug i mean some players just have like zero capacity to play scum beyond a basic level and are easy to read through that and i mean, check my game history if you want, i know what it's like to be a polarised player in almost exactly the way tweet is lol
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ok in my defense i've been busy and stuff!! and also i didn't really feel like u were going to slip away
but yeah i need to do more analysis and stuff >.>
also no please don't check my game history actually that's embarassingNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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was going to write a fire iso post but i just want to quote thisIn post 112, fireisredsir wrote:
because im informed of everyone's alignment, ofcIn post 109, Nero Cain wrote:
how do you know its right?In post 100, fireisredsir wrote:
it's ok to have quick conclusions when they're right :>In post 93, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
holy mother of quick conclusionsIn post 90, fireisredsir wrote:she's just town imo
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ok like i'm going to be honest here
it would maybe be like mechanically optimal for me to sheep scamper and dats or whatever and townread dv and just lim fire and shea because they're better players than me
but like. that is such a tedious way to play mafia. and if i applied that logic consistently i should probably have just been sheeping other people this whole game and not doing anything cos players like ari are so much better than me at town that it outweighs the possibility they are scum
i will like give more scrutiny than shea than i would otherwise because of their reads but likeNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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ok uh fire iso part 1!
the first thing i noticed is that his interactions around me and vp around 519 are weird. i don't really like how they seem to discourage me from pushing on vp, obviously, especially with the 546 where they're calling vp out for nitpicky interactions with datisi anyway? i get that they're like not actually scumreading baltar, and they say as much in 557, but "vp feels fake but he's probably town because he's anti associative on ari" just doesn't feel like a real read? especially since it's way too early for them to have like, a reliable read on ari of the kind that justifies such an associative read.
i'm still not a fan of the eiralox stuff - i think i already talked about this in my fireisscum wall and don't want to repeat myself too much but overall i don't think it's much of a stretch to say eiralox was falling behind there and it's obvious why they wouldn't be posting the same as they do in smaller games, so the push felt like overly uncharitable to me
i don't really like the calling out gamma for the obvious thing, voting gamma when relly does, and then just kinda using scamper's read to backtrack on it
the stuff around 1465 feels, uh, unopportunistic and sorta towny?
i dont know if i can verbalise why i don't like 2055 but, uh, i don't like it
i don't know what to make of the interaction with gamma around 2117 actually, my first instinct was to call it scummy because it's a manufactured pointless exchange but also like maybe gamma isn't this clumsy around her buddy? someone help me out here lol
i still dislike the fire/VPB interactions; the defense early is obviously A Thing and then they just kind of come in dropping the "vp sort of rubbed me the wrong way once but havent seen anything much from him" which imo feels extremely partnery. and other than this they just kinda don't talk about himt
i dislike 2555. idk it just feels fake lol
the readslist in 2844 is kinda unfortunate
their read on marci and progression there is still sorta baffling to me. both times i was kinda sussy of marci, they were kind of encouraging it, and in their reads list they do express marci as one of their strongest scumreads and vote her at one point, but also throughout they are not really explaining it? like, no offense to marci but i kinda do feel like she's an easy push to make, so i'm a bit cautious of this
feel kind of uncomfy with their interactions with shea around 2593; i think shea responding the way he did there was very reasonable w/ the way fire had been leaning town on shea and then kind of started sussing him after that became more of a Popular Thing again? so fire sussing shea for that feels ehh
i *really* don't like fire defending hem through d2 and then flipping on that and joining them after pressure from scamper. it does kind of feel like after hem started imploding fire was left in a tough spot and felt like they had to jump on the wagon to avoid being seen as heavily associated with hem. given how bad it was i also don't like how hem didn't give that much focus to it and just rule of 3'd in 4458
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I feel so excludedIn post 8791, fireisredsir wrote:but GL and dann at least pls look for yourself at some pointNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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oh ok I thought I was catching you being survivalist but this actually makes sens ripIn post 8794, fireisredsir wrote:
you already said you'd look at dv! they hadn't been here yetIn post 8792, Ausuka wrote:
I feel so excludedIn post 8791, fireisredsir wrote:but GL and dann at least pls look for yourself at some pointNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I skimmed over this but I was rereading and this actually feels like a good pointIn post 8767, fireisredsir wrote:In post 5732, DeasVail wrote:Looking back over end of day 2, Cat and Frog were the most vocal about exploring options other than tweet. Cat actually voted for me, which I think is much more likely from town because tweet was likely being eliminated at that stage and it’s just not a good look. Frog is reasonably likely to be town too because of the messy way in which (from an external perspective) he was very blatantly trying to make something else happen, but I am less certain on Frog-town than Cat-town because scum-Frog may have felt encouraged by town-Cat pushing for something else to happen.
I think that TSQ’s play end of D2 is scummy in a vacuum, but I’m not sure if it changes my overall read of them.
It’s also worthwhile considering the possibility that this was just a situation with low scum presence. S_S had earlier seemed to be encouraging the idea of a wagon on me without wanting to commit to it himself and while I probably think obscure is less likely scum than S_S, it is definitely possible.also this post expressing a read on csf is weird to make when everyone else is treating csf as conftown
(shoutout to frog for calling that out, sorry buddy)
DV why were you making a read on CSF here? I was treating her as mech town and I'm pretty sure everyone else was doing the same thing?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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In post 994, DeasVail wrote:People I am considering as scum currently:
Juice,HEM,Aristeia,Firebringer,Gamma, GuiltyLion,Skitter,VP Baltar
But I don't feel strongly enough about any of them right in this moment to make a proper (or even a fake) push.
DV I'd like to hear more about your reads on HEM and obscure from day 1 and how they changed? I know it was a long time ago but shrugIn post 2274, DeasVail wrote:[Ausuka,scamper,xofelf,ydrasse]
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idk i mean likeIn post 8895, Thestatusquo wrote:am I tinfoil hatting too much on dannflor
i feel like the logic of efforting -> scum is flawed? i know it was originally dannflor who said it but like
i think town and scum both have motivation to effort here, and i don't think scum is necessarily the ppl efforting cos like, we should always be efforting from a gameplay perspective and irl stuff gets in the way regardless of alignment?
i think there's a small point there in that town are more reluctant to effort because like it's probably just fire and we are wasting our time. but i guess we should still be doing that? idk it's still early i hope i'm making some sense
i need to do more reviewing on dansflor probably. i was sus of him a little while ago, he has vibed more town since then but i'm not like, removing him from the poe or anything. i feel like a lot of people have called him strong town and i guess by sheer number they are probably right? but shrugNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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ok now datisi's cafe is over i just want to say like
fire being all "if i was scum i'd definitely win here" just feels like... performative and untrue?
like i haven't seen the scum pt in that game but it seems similar in that scum were backed into a corner, he was under suspicion, and he did not in fact win or come close to winning in that gameNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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This reminds me that this post was one of the reasons I was townreading SheaIn post 394, Irrelephant11 wrote:
This feels like a wildly out-of-nowhere take?? Like even if you think Ausuka's wrong I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that her wrong read would be based on vibesIn post 389, VP Baltar wrote:
It means it seems like you made it up and now you are covering poo with ~vibes~In post 377, Ausuka wrote:
What does "a read not based in reality" actually meanIn post 374, VP Baltar wrote:
Seemed like a read not based in reality.In post 370, Ausuka wrote:Why do you ask? I think there's enough content here that you don't have to pick at vibe reads
What should I be picking at?
wow can't believe Datisi is the planned D1 bus for onceIn post 388, VP Baltar wrote:
Why bring it up if it's NAI?In post 251, Datisi wrote:
well for one, she can still explain it. for two, i think scum-her is capable of faking that read. so i don't think it's too alignment-indicative either way.In post 247, humaneatingmonkey wrote:dats, why didn't you withhold your ari read before she can explain what her baltar read was so you can read her better
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Ugh actually this post is sort of bad in the same way fire's wasIn post 543, Irrelephant11 wrote:
I feel the same, though I'm wishy washy on if it makes VPB scum or notIn post 517, Ausuka wrote:I guess I could see why someone might like, have the thought and press me on the read. But I just don't feel like he's engaging with me genuinely here about this?
Pretty sure those are just continued jokes about you and vpb having (implied romantic) tensionIn post 520, Ausuka wrote:
HEM I still don't really understand what these posts are meant to say am I just being stupid orIn post 484, humaneatingmonkey wrote:wow they tied the knotNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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fire i'm sort of confused about your read on me? i did not get the vibe you were townreading me that much
also like, i kind of disagree that scum fire has a lot of options in this gamestate? like i feel like it's just blatantly untrue that this situation would play to your strengths. it's a very difficult position to get out of and if ur scum u played well but townread your partners and then they all got themselves killed so like i don't really buy the uh, what is it? reverse burden of proficiency? i mean idk what you think about me as a player but i scumread you in that game so i don't think it's really accurate to say scum fire would talk circles around me or somethingNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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