hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: MariaR
hello there

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna need more popcorn to watch all this.
I'm afraid to poke my head or the evil teddy will have my soul

interesting

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll explain in a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll explain in a bit

The Maria vote?

No that’s RVS
Why did you think I meant that?

[Gamma Emerald]

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

I usually find

early = town
later = scum

Is there a reason you’re making an exception for me then, assuming I’ve read this right?

[Gamma Emerald]

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

I usually find

early = town
later = scum

Is there a reason you’re making an exception for me then, assuming I’ve read this right?

We are not out of RVS

I townleaned you

early = town

this does not contradict any statement I made

thanks?
You feel defensive.

[Gamma Emerald]

been playing a lot of turbo style games recently so I think it's that :p

I don't believe you, sorry. I played thousands of hours on EM and I never had an impulse to instantly go "oh damn these 4 people are Town for xyz" unless I was scum.

I don't do this style of RVS reads often at all because I usually don't feel inclined too. Oh and you are talking EM? 1) We've had way more time to post well-thought out posts over here, I mean cmon it's been hours. 2) I do make reads like this on m.gg early on in certain conditions, if you don't have at least 2 solid townreads on day 2 in a typical 16 player, then usually it's a skill issue :^).

Also

BlueKang would like a word with you

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

And you know, BongWater made the same read you just did on BlueKang and flipped scum!

Curious

One game does not a pattern make. Do you have more evidence that this sort of push you say Frog is making comes from scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

You are being swayed by Nero of all people?

my reads are good despite what queen Ari says. discredit me more scumbutt

That looks more like discrediting frog but that’s small potatoes

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna need more popcorn to watch all this.
I'm afraid to poke my head or the evil teddy will have my soul

interesting

so I said this because I found it a bit peculiar Charloux made a comment about Pooky like this
I don't believe Charloux and Pooky played together before ever

[Gamma Emerald]

I think there's a non-zero chance Charloux was told to beware Pooky in scumchat
he's welcome to prove me wrong!

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma/Nero can get votes no opinion on other people

ew

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna need more popcorn to watch all this.
I'm afraid to poke my head or the evil teddy will have my soul

interesting

I’ll explain in a bit

I'm gonna need more popcorn to watch all this.
I'm afraid to poke my head or the evil teddy will have my soul

interesting

so I said this because I found it a bit peculiar Charloux made a comment about Pooky like this
I don't believe Charloux and Pooky played together before ever

I think there's a non-zero chance Charloux was told to beware Pooky in scumchat
he's welcome to prove me wrong!

Is this the observation you made that you just had to wait to explain? I don't see any breadcrumbs either, just some half-baked effort to get towny points.

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

This post looked like he was shading gamma, but it makes a lot more sense right now. I looked at two Nero's random games to see his posts and it turns out he is always aggressive with his words. This game he just took some steroids.

I think the assertion I was interested in townpoints from that is mildly outlandish
I would say I do that sort of “hold my tongue for a specific intent” more often as town but I could eventually find an instance of scum!me doing it
And honestly it feels kinda shady that your response to my explanation was to try and frame it as a ploy

[Gamma Emerald]

Also why the fuck are breadcrumbs relevant?

[Gamma Emerald]

i thought he made tyat comment after me and pooky werr talking abot killing eachkther... am i wrong?

Yes, but at that time i misread and thought he will make you hang yourself.

ftr if Charloux had brought this up in his reply to me I’d be more accommodating but instead I got lip

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m open to voting Charloux or Claire rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m open to voting Charloux or Claire rn

What?

If you’re referring to me saying Claire, that’s what I call MariaR since she has/had multiple public alts she would use in conjunction. I didn’t shift into calling her that exclusively until recently though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not much, I suppose the conversation about Nero was the most interesting thing said in the thread so far besides the busywork questions.

Why, who and where?

Why: Because it was the closest thing to anything revealing said in my eyes but I understand people TR things easier than I do.
Who: Between Nero and Cape
Where: 49-54

Not much, I suppose the conversation about Nero was the most interesting thing said in the thread so far besides the busywork questions.

Why, who and where?

Fourth question: what do you predict marci's rationale will be for their suspicion on MalcolmTucker?

I didn't read on so I still don't know but I also don't really care or see the point on such speculation unless this was a trap question

Gamma/Nero can get votes no opinion on other people

Maria, can you post a reads list?

She just said she had no other reads, are you fr?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m open to voting Charloux or Claire rn

What?

If you’re referring to me saying Claire, that’s what I call MariaR since she has/had multiple public alts she would use in conjunction. I didn’t shift into calling her that exclusively until recently though.

Okay. Thank you for explaining.

She just said she had no other reads, are you fr?

I didn't realize how recent that was. My question stands anyway I guess but I realize it's kind of stupid now. Do you have any thoughts on her play so far?

Very lackluster

Of course y’all are just going to assume that I was pocketing

Cape90

, I can’t just say I like his avi anymore.

Greeting is exiting their Town range.

Press X to doubt

[Gamma Emerald]

Press X to doubt

On my statement or on Greeting's alignment?

Kinda both, mostly the latter
I don’t sense a notable difference from the game I modded rn in Greeting’s play.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: crescent
I still think Maria is scum, and don’t think Nero is, but Crescent’s lack of presence is concerning.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, I've got questions/answers for EVERYBODY

Nero - Making a water... thing or joke or whatever discrediting what people were saying isn't an answer to me. what is an answer to you, and where have you sent one?

Greeting - Is cape's actions, somehow town to you though, does he do this every game? because if he does, it is a real easy meta to replicate as scum, and in general, very scummy. Because from my experience in other games and reading through some of these games, It seems like a general, Scum type of play.

Frog - Why did you swerve to crescent, and why was one of the earliest things you said about cape was to Marcistas: Does this seem TvT? Like, why would you immediately assume that 10 posts after you accused him? also, why did you out of the gate think Marcistas was a good person to trust, of all people, and why so early, either? You were calling them basically good with little substance ever sent from them? They even called this out in a joking manner out too at one point when you mentioned +EV. (Which means jackshit if they are evil, because they already know everyone's alignment)

Gamma - I don't find you TOO Dodgy, but I'd like to know: How does Greeting usually play to you, and how does current greeting play match up?

Kitty - You have no Questions. Congrats. Maybe talk a little more too.

Pooky - Can you actually discuss instead of just voting? I know your a possessed bear without a mouth cavity but I'd like to hear at least some noise from you!

Maria - I don't have questions for you now but I might have some later.

Charloux - I Might agree with your vote ideas as being kinda dodgy, but still serve some reasons, I'd like to seem em.

Marcistas - Why did you watch most of the early events during Post 50 - 200 Yet not Talk about them with substance at all?

SirRhett - Some more in-depth views of the game?

Save the Dragons - Nice to see ya! once you've read through, any ideas on the state of the game?

Toogeloo - No questions really. although I think a more in-depth post is something I'd like to see be posted though

Malcolm - Thoughts on the game state right now?

Everyone else I didn't mention literally has posted 0, besides an entrance post I'd say.

idk
I was kinda just being an ass because frogster (and others) incorrectly read greeting in that other game
I don’t actually have much meta on greeting aside from that

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok. Your clear of the questions for now nero, because as i read through and your more current responses were posted, Your fucking RIGHT.

So Can I have some answers, some shit from
Cape, Frog, Maria, Charloux
Maria could be a Town that was used as a reason to pivot off, or just plain scum. Probably the Former, but the Latter is likely.
Charloux is a very minor suspicion, But i do think you should answer some of the things Save put out.
Frog had a bit of a fucking random pivot to a guy that isn't even here, then when maria voted accused nero with cape and then voted them for some pretty dogshit reasons. also my questions in my question post would be nice to see answered
Cape, If I rated Scum to town on a scale of -10 to +10 (- being scummy, + being town) You are like -5 to -7. I'm Betting 90% you'd flip scum. a flip from you gives a massive set of information to work with for D2, If you'd flip town or scum you'd still give a lot of information for D2.

I'm Gonna propose this
Cape, Frog, Maria, Charloux, Greeting, Nero, Crescent. Between this group, I'd say you'd have 2-4 Mafia here. within this core group of people for sure you'd find at least 2, probably 3.

Between them, I'd rate

Most Likely To Flip Town (This bar is basically Null/Null-Leaning)
Nero
Crescent (Definitely a Null Read, ever so slightly to town as they were randomly swerved on when they aren't even fucking here)
Charloux
Maria
Frog
Greeting

MASSIVE FUCKING GAP HERE

Cape
Least Likely To Flip Town

Also, Cape why the fuck are you thinking it is so dodgy to vote greeting? and why greeting are you somehow thinking cape is town from your perspective? also, Most of your reads ended up being some of the closer to Null or Scum people in the list too in that early set, and how were you able to judge one post as evil or townie? tell me. I asked it 250 posts ago, still wondering it now.

Also maria here is the post i want you to read a little behind and then a little foward for what I mean

Glad to see out of the 100 posts almost none of them were that helpful given how objectively nai they were

but hey VOTE: Nero it wasn't all that bad

if you read, Frog goes from Cape to Swerving to crescent randomly then completely agrees with cape on nero just around the page before and the next 2 pages after, with most of that action taking place in this page.

Dude
I can’t see any notable progression in your reads, you’re just randomly spouting lists of names you think are scum it seems
Can you try explaining yourself a little better on some of the less stable SRs?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think I've even been pushing you that hard, kinda just been stating I have a wolfread on you and keeping my vote on you, I don't think my contributions have done much in the way to get you voted, do you care about it that badly?

Switching my vote to Gamma is an option, but that isn't going to go anywhere and the other main option is cape who I don't agree with. Of course, I could start my own wagon but that's effort.
pedit: mmmm I don't have a problem with you being aggressive, we've played together enough that I know that's just your style of play I just don't think the way you've held conversations are coming from a villa mindset early in the game. Sure, you're overly defensive (and that's fine you're being pushed) but I'm not digging it.

Where should I be voting again?

I think it’s suspicious you opted to name me and Nero, two people you have experience with before, as your two suspects, and you’ve done jack shot to explain those reads. And you can’t claim you don’t know how to read me because you just did it in that micro before.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Fennec


So basically you're saying you don't think Frogs thinking is real, right? I do think if Nero is a villager Frog is a wolf because of the way they handled that sideline middle ground here and it looked partly advantageous. Like, if both of them are a villager I would be quite surprised. Frog's trap posting of saying if I unvote Nero we're partners is really bad.

Anyway, Gamma's posting is pretty weak and as someone who can read Gamma pretty well, what are your thoughts on them? I feel like Gamma and MT need to have a bit more of a spotlight then they're given because the loud voices are drowning everything else out at the moment.

Yup, Claire’s flexing her BoP here
If Claire wants to seriously target me she’s gonna be blown up very quickly.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Crescent voters

Let's get Maria D1.

Kitty - You have no Questions. Congrats. Maybe talk a little more too.

Will do.

Kitty's fine, you can help get Maria run up though.

VOTE: MariaR
Roger.

[Gamma Emerald]

My avatar is a wolf to ya? I'm gonna ignore the big massive ears, the yellow pelt coloration, how small it is, and the tail. It's a fennec fox. I can understand kinda how you could mix that up, but at the same time can't.

I can understand kinda how you could mix that up, but at the same time can't.

As a player with the username frogsterking and an avatar featuring batman, I don't.

I used to have an avatar related to my username origins but it’s more fun branching out lol

[Gamma Emerald]

also, by my idea of openwolfing, You are openly, Signalling to your scumteam. If it means to you something different, tell me

Prioritizing thread disruption over being at all believable as a Townie. Like you don't care if you get voted out early as long as you are so annoying you prevent a proper Town Core from finding each other.

Lmao that’s like, my legit scum MO at times
Slip decently far into the game, then spread as much muck as possible to make it challenging to solve the rest of the game once I flip

[Gamma Emerald]

Frogsterking

does not get a townread for me in this game. Normally when he's town, he's daring and wouldn't hesitate to make pushes on players he think's are scum. He's been scumreadng me since at least 212, and yet he is not building a case on me at all. Probably just wants to incline town to get rid of me.

First, the argument is that I'm not posting enough. Quoted post for reference.

Press X to doubt

On my statement or on Greeting's alignment?

Kinda both, mostly the latter
I don’t sense a notable difference from the game I modded rn in Greeting’s play.

Three of town!Greeting's contributions by this point in time from the game you modded:

Catching up, I am happy to announce that both

intuile

and

Ausuka

are probably town.

Frogsterking

less likely town than the other two, but still I think more likely town than scum.

Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:

Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile,

Hoppip

Town

What's so towny about

hoppip

?

I'd also like Greeting to elaborate on their reads I guess

I have played with

Frogsterking

before. He likes to troll around, and, in my experience, tone-wise, he usually falls into the category "too scummy to be scum". It's a meta read from experience, because not knowing that, his ISO is very confusing.

Still, there is a more obvious sign pointing to him being town: I completely agree with his reads from 41, and he was the first one in the thread to make this observation actually. Some of his later reads are admittedly a bit hurried, and shaky (such as 137), but to be fair this overall sounds like town!

Frog

actively sorting rather than scum!

Frog

throwing random reads around. Maybe if he expands more on his reads, the townread will get more firm, but I'm happy to give him a townlean for now.

People don't tend to take him seriously because of the way he posts, but

Frogsterking

can be a pretty capable player if he wants to be.

@

Ausuka

The read on

intuile

/shiki is more of a tone/meta read too. I've played with

intuile

's other alts and she also played in a game I hosted. To be fair, if someone has so many alts, they could just play in a different way on each alt and no one would notice.

Intuile

tends to play the exact same way tone-wise when she's town, and this game is no different. Her interactions with you sounds like town!

intuile

sorting and your responses sound like a townie defending himself.

This is a pretty standard game opener for this site, I didn't really have anything to say to you because nothing you said was alignment indicative, sorry for ignoring you

yeah your opener pretty paint by numbers but you're aware so

like

vote someone
say something about someone else in same post
encourage engagement
make an early read!!

I don't think it would be typical of scum to try to make a read out of this, but in my mind it reads as typical of town!

intuile

to try to make a read out of you being friendly in your opening post (5).

She actually said herself what she does in mafia games, and I confirm that in my experience it's true:

but not alignment related, so! more a wondering aloud

Tl;dr: your interaction with

intuile

looks like town vs. town, and shiki is just being herself.

As for strictly you, I would say that your tone reads as towny in general, but I would say that my townread of

intuile

is stronger than my townread of you, as there is significantly less content and active scumhunting in your posts.

The reason for me not having posted reads within the first, what, 48 hours of the game were RL reasons, but once that was over I got to game solving.

Now the argument is that my reads are made up.

After reviewing the thread (which is very easy to do due to the lack of bloat) I've decided I don't feel comfortable tunneling on Fennec and Fennec should probably be a Town lean despite Greeting's point. I also want to point out that Greeting's play is closely aligned with their scum meta rather than their Town meta.

I mentioned earlier that scum!Greeting was capable of forging Town tells for the latter half of D1 and overall I suspect that's what they're up to with this Fennec push.

I think MariaR is the best place to go and I'm fine with someone hammering there if a flash wagon occurs.

Honestly, his early interaction with the

Fennec

slot were terrible and not something I would expect from town!

Frogsterking

.

I am down to yeet out

Frogsterking

today too.

I feel a similar vibe but think giving Frog a day is okay. I can see him as town but it’s not much beyond speculation.

[Gamma Emerald]

I rolled town with you in TFT and quickly got a TR on you there, so you may wish to add that to your calculations.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was worried at first that Big Chungus was a game thrower but I'm pretty sure it's just a scum slot. I'm getting a strong troll vibe from them which reminds me of when NK15 replaced into Gamma's mini Normal. I ignored it in that game but now I think that tone is AI.

Gamma, how sure are you on Maria? I have three solid SRs right now including her. I'd say I'm

moderate

certainty on all three of Maria, Chung, and Greeting being scum, and my Maria read is pretty dependent on the feedback you've provided about her meta.

I am pretty sure Claire is scum. The fact she’s avoided engaging with my read on her when last game, I was wrong on her and she was not afraid to say so, says a lot to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma cannot read me and has not been able to read me for over 5 years. Gamma reads me based on how I read them. if I call them a wolf I'm a wolf if I call them a villager I'm a villager. Gamma even read me wrong the last time we played together.

You are legit bringing up new points you never talked or thought about just to try and act like this was a real thought you had.

This rings hollow while her reaction to my push in the other game was much more vigorous

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, her reaction in the other game was more to do with the events of that game
Here’s she’s just appealing to past history (which she’s also being v revisionist of as I have read her right a majority of the time just by analyzing her approach to me)

[Gamma Emerald]

frog pls
even if you think marias scum.

ending day right now gives players like rhett, kitty, whoever else who hasnt been as active a chance to (if scum) regroup with team and make reads and a plan.
lets get them to talk more first.

Vote the players you want to make talk then

[Gamma Emerald]

lol, Idk how many votes are on Maria but I just said intent to make things happen b/c I am fucking sick of these snail paced day phases. Wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't even close to hammer, I'd hammer her though.

skill issue tbh

Speak for yourself
You got baited into a premature claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Feeling comfortable with my vote and won't move until Toogeloo provides a single read or the deadline is coming up.

I recommend anything by Rick Riordan.

Good taste.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma how do you feel about frogsterking?

Was iffy on him early but I think he’s town now
What do you think of Toog?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma how do you feel about frogsterking?

Was iffy on him early but I think he’s town now
What do you think of Toog?

I ask the questions here.

Why were you iffy and what made them town?

piss off

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I know who you are Big Chungus and you're a spineless cretin if I'm correct.

[Gamma Emerald]

kinda rude gamma

If I’m correct, they shot first.

[Gamma Emerald]

what’s the case on MT here?

[Gamma Emerald]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

Okay this seems like a scum post
5 scum in a 16 player game is very unlikely

[Gamma Emerald]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

Okay this seems like a scum post
5 scum in a 16 player game is very unlikely

you mistake me for someone who looked at more than the game type when replacing in. I am only now just learning we have only 16 players. i see large, i assume 4-6 scum so "like 5" is a normal response. are you sure this is just a "bad villager" maria?

eh, gamma's takes are

normally way off course

and bad so I'd have to look at there wolf games all over again but they're whining like a child who wants attention and this is on par for what I remember.

Gamma's post isn't incorrect on the second part.
Getting mech info wrong isn't AI though IMO.

My post was made because calling someone scum for getting mech info wrong is insane

I really said that to rustle their jimmies a bit, tho the attempt to fake-dumbbell is very noted
I think it’s task accomplished

Also I low-key forgot it was in the setup info but Nevermind that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town:

Gamma
Kitty
Marci
Cape
Sirrhet
Charloux
Fennec

Null:
Nero

Scum:

MariaR
Greeting,
Pooky,
Dragons and
Big Chungus

???:
Toogle
Malcolm

Updated 4 Big Chungus

Greeting, Pooky, Dragons and Big Chungus are a bit dodgy but I'll need to think about where they go. I think I scraped one more Townread together but I can't remember where it came from.

4 cross reference where I probably need help the most:

VOTE: pooky RVS it's a stuffed bear how can it talk

I may or may not post my survey start

__

Players I can read well:

Gamma Emerald
Nero Cain
Greeting
KittyTacky
Crescent
PookyTheMagicalBear

Players I can't read well:

Toogeloo
MalcolmTucker

Players I don't know or it remains to be determined how well I can read:

Fennec
Charloux
MariaR
Cape90
SirRhett
Save The Dragons
marcistar

Greeting's alleged tilt at me for not engaging with Chungus in good faith seems even more theatrical considering I bothered to update and compile this when Chungus asked.

Gamma do you see anyone I townbinned you think should be moved down to null? Or vice versa? As of 619 I've got Maria, MT, Toogle and Enchant (Nero) in null. I think everyone else is still in their bins as quoted above.

@Enchant @Malcolm

Same question

Idk why SirRhett is in town
I’d call Nero slot town, I don’t feel awful about his posting but a big part of why I think he’s town is I disliked the push on him. Enchant might be more readable tho so this isn’t final

[Gamma Emerald]

Also your point about Greeting going after your reads does kinda resonate w me

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really see anything wrong with it but it doesn't really make a dent rn

[Gamma Emerald]

especially if it's not the player's meta to do nothing every game (which, in my personal experience, is true for marcistar and Toogeloo).

rude

Lmao what
That take from Greeting seems rather wack

[Gamma Emerald]

Imagine catching up only to discover there's 3+ pages which you also need to catch up.

Therefore catching up is pointless exertise.

I’m genuinely curious, how do you gather info upon replacing in? Past exp has shown you do actually read some of the game before joining iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

643 is a flail defense if I've ever seen a flail defense before.

I’m inclined to agree
It’s also incredibly try-hard which just feels off in general for Fenrir

[Gamma Emerald]

why would you attribute that motivation to me being scum?

It's monologuing and parallel communication. Gives you time to double check everything you say and doesn't force you to interact with other players. It makes your slot appear more Townie on a reread than it should and is a very common scum tactic.

Basically this:

Imagine catching up only to discover there's 3+ pages which you also need to catch up.

Therefore catching up is pointless exertise.

Enchant may have been joking but that's the vibe I'm getting from your slot. Game isn't moving fast either, so I think all the drama over catching up is just theater.

VOTE: Save the Dragons
Yeah this seals it for me
The points about monologuing and parallel communication is a very succinct way of expressing a trend I feel like scum players fall into sometimes.
I was already probably voting here anyway, this just makes me feel fine voting now vs. waiting until finishing reading

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really I made like 10 arguments and you barely barely articulated one

Were any of them good though?

Yes

Try harder

I think you just randomly drew my name out of a hat and decided to double down on it and anyone who thinks you have a case is an idiot no offense

I reread and they weren't good. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man straw man fallacy, you're straw manning my case against you.

Also you claimed low activity != scum but there is evidence that there's a correlation. https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Detection MathBlade made a similar objection (and later flipped scum) when I accused him D1 in the large theme you just modded.

I am not strawmanning you if anything you are strawmanning me by picking and choosing what part of my case is important and what part of my case is just vaguely beneath you.

I still can't believe you are doubling down on me having work as me being scum.

Mathblade was low activity because he was sick not because he was scum

The thing is there is a way busy scum tend to play and it’s unfortunate to get called on it but it’s a real trend

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you take a beat and reevaluate your position or are you seriously dead set on crucifying me for not posting as much as other people while blatantly ignoring other offenders

I can yes, I'm choosing not to because I believe in my heart you are lying.

Bruh what is this word choice
What do you think he’s lying

about

?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am very tipsy rn

[Gamma Emerald]

charloux and std are town

ur bad

[Gamma Emerald]

charloux and std are town

ur bad

bruh Gamma

What
Even if I overlook BCG TRing two people I don’t, they’re also pushing 3 slots that I think are town (and 1 that I know is town)

[Gamma Emerald]

Marci do you still scum read Malcolm?

eh sure
i think its mid, he seems like lost!

why do u mindlessly simp me so mucb

Lost as in the game that just finished?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really I made like 10 arguments and you barely barely articulated one

Were any of them good though?

Yes

Try harder

I think you just randomly drew my name out of a hat and decided to double down on it and anyone who thinks you have a case is an idiot no offense

I reread and they weren't good. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man straw man fallacy, you're straw manning my case against you.

Also you claimed low activity != scum but there is evidence that there's a correlation. https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Detection MathBlade made a similar objection (and later flipped scum) when I accused him D1 in the large theme you just modded.

I am not strawmanning you if anything you are strawmanning me by picking and choosing what part of my case is important and what part of my case is just vaguely beneath you.

I still can't believe you are doubling down on me having work as me being scum.

Mathblade was low activity because he was sick not because he was scum

The thing is there is a way busy scum tend to play and it’s unfortunate to get called on it but it’s a real trend

what is the the way busy scum play

Pretty much exactly how Frogster described your play: basically talking into the thread to look like you’re sorting but not really putting in any actual effort to sort via interaction or w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

charloux and std are town

ur bad

bruh Gamma

What
Even if I overlook BCG TRing two people I don’t, they’re also pushing 3 slots that I think are town (and 1 that I know is town)

maybe dont roll scum against me

Maybe don’t be a fucking creep
You hide behind this newbie facade but it’s painfully obvious who you are. Given that, your play seems remarkably like last time I saw scum!you.

[Gamma Emerald]

But I prefer BCG today.

I think Fenrir might be a better vote because his Claire vote looks like scum trying to put momentum back onto a town wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

charloux and std are town

ur bad

bruh Gamma

What
Even if I overlook BCG TRing two people I don’t, they’re also pushing 3 slots that I think are town (and 1 that I know is town)

maybe dont roll scum against me

Maybe don’t be a fucking creep
You hide behind this newbie facade but it’s painfully obvious who you are. Given that, your play seems remarkably like last time I saw scum!you.

i haven't had a "newbie" facade. I indicated I knew several people including you just was lying on the down low.

and no, that's quite impossible for this to resemble the last time you saw scum me other than it matching me personality wise.

you couldn't even explain basic progression on your reads and got caught. its ok. better luck next time.

I opted not to explain because when I asked you a question in response to yours you got pompous
So I’m not gonna play ball with you when you’re just gonna be an assclown. Instead you can just die.

[Gamma Emerald]

i join games on alts so i can act more chill and not have to go as hard as i normally do but then gamma has to go and intentioanlly force me to revert back, probably intentional here to bait me into being aggro so he can hide behind the shield and then out my main as a weapon.

no, you will not.
VOTE: Gamma

This is not town.

I assure you there was ulterior motive but I’m still not scum. But yeah you just confirmed my whole triple-imposter theory I had on you. You’re a sick fuck and I kinda thought of you as a friend before but I sure as hell don’t now!

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll leave it for now but you better believe there will be words postgame

[Gamma Emerald]

Though

Frog

kinda has a point, the Crescent/

BCG

slot is bad and we might need to just policy elim them.

It isn't a policy if they're legit scummy. If they were just a townie-looking player with a bad playstyle it would be a policy and I oppose that. But it isn't imho.

one reason i called it policy is that I didn't think BCG was actually scummy

so whats the reason for policy then

1. You were not reading the game CLEARLY. Acting like it at least.
2. You are looking at the game through the lens of extreme bias and this really annoying "I am right" lens that will make us lose the game if we pay full attention to you.

So while I don't think either of these things necessarily point to scum, it's an anti-town playstyle that frankly annoys me

im allowed to have as much confidence as i'd like on things tyvm lmfao

interesting that this standard doesn't hold for you for gamma who is actually playing up a "i am right" lens or frog who well, is frogsterking, and as well as pooky too who has naked shifted votes and not attempted to sort my slot genuinely.

but yeah, i'm not reading "clearly" or whatever? nah you saw someone mention a policy and you wanted to force me to be PoE via that.

Gamma apparently knows who you are and thinks you are scum, or just Gamma wants to push you for personal reasons, I can't tell. Actually I am seeing the ladder.

I have 0 idea who you are. I am very certain you are not the only other player who I would know who does make a lot of alt accounts. Like the person I am thinking of would legit find me as town in 0.5 seconds of reading me if they are town so obviously you are not them if you are town, so I don't think we familiar with each other if this is the case.

With Gamma, I can at least see a level of reading and a sense of actually being caught up before talking being shown.

Given my theory about BCG being confirmed, I also saw them approach being behind very differently as town before recently

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think we are talking on the same wavelength...

Calling someone scum in a game of mafia isn't a

personal insult

Said it with a joke in mind using wordplay because i seriously got chills from you. I could almost taste the emotions you put into the post.

I am surprised you didn't point out 682 as now that i look at it, I think you were referring to it as Malcom pointed out specifically Maria's vote and ONLY MARIA'S VOTE.
So if Malcolm flips red, does this make Maria blue or is it distancing? I can see both sides, so really your argument with the people Malcolm didn't call out is also WIFOM is it not?

I was only comparing pooky/toog's votes and mine, didn't even have Maria in my mind back then. Out of frustration for toog's attitude i emulated fencesitting myself, but Malcom clearly divided the same type of vote(It's the same IMO) by ignoring all of toog's and calling me on mine. That's when i noticed he also reacted when i first mentioned STD, so i called him out for it.

My theory is that Malcom saw a wagon starting to get formed on his scum buddy and is trying to deflect it. I am a juicy target because i put up a vote with no case and my skill level is lacking compared to most people in the roster.

tf
Who says “don’t personally insult me”

as a joke

Or am I misreading?

[Gamma Emerald]

I see it better now

[Gamma Emerald]

you know for a fact that my townplay is not 1 dimensional and depends on how the game goes so this is just more fluffed up shit to make a push on me happen

Bruh
I would still rather vote out Fenrir for info

[Gamma Emerald]

I also thought frog was off early but after he started pushing Claire it felt like that wasn’t the case anymore

[Gamma Emerald]

Cape do you still think save is out of their scum range

The more I read it feels like frog is just weaponizing Gamma’s bad reads tbh

What

[Gamma Emerald]

Also there are 5 days remaining. I REALLY don't want to be forced to do a speedwagon in case an important role is claimed. Don't remember any of the wagons reaching 5 people as well. Maybe even as low as 4.

Yeah everything has stalled at 3 or so because Pooky keeps vote hopping

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Enchant

why
I actually lean town on encanto rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Enchant

BGC and Dragons might be a scum v scum cross so I'd prefer if you read their isos and see if you dislike either enough to vote.

PEdit

Same

I haven't really read anything yet. but Enchant sus!

ew

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah furtive is rapidly killing my already strained TR on fennec