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[Elsa Jay]

I come back from the dead after nine months away from the site and 2 peeps already want me dead.

For the others who never have met me: hello howdy sup hi I'm Elsa, resident good luck charm and fun to be around. Nice to meet you.

[Elsa Jay]

I've read it. I never count the votes against the previous holder of the slot against me cuz I like being fresh to read other people.

I count you wanting more people to vote me and Enigma actually voting me when I replace in without a word while I slept as wanting me gonzo.

Currently interested in 3 other people in this game so I'm gonna reread this again now that I'm not tired.

Edit: if it helps you, I'm not a VT. Unlike most I don't really feel the need to hide my role here. And no it's not miller.

[Elsa Jay]

Didn't really claim anything besides not VT. That's super basic stuff. And I rejoined MS cuz I'm bored, so I'm gonna be bold and fun in the games I join again.

You seem like a serious player who'll keep me on my toes. That's good. Looking forward to playing with you.

[Elsa Jay]

I haven't played as town in over a year dude. My last 4 games was me getting scum and tiring myself out. I did have to replace into a game as a Jailkeeper though and have to claim like 1 day to deadline because people quick wagoned me. I'd rather not deal with the same song and dance of people voting me for pressure to claim when we can focus on other slots to sort. If your just voting me to elim me though keep at it I guess.

As for me fake claiming stuff... Hmm... I remember claiming Miller before in some context as town. I was also belligerent once that being a Miller-type role (in context of that game) was basically me being a named townie.

You gotta ask others for my other fake claims though. To many to count. I promise to be honest this first game back. Hence immediately outting not VT.

[Elsa Jay]

if elsa jay survives the night, she is a scum

Now you're just setting up the ultimate WIFOM situation there my dude. But if it helps us move onto other stuff, I'll fight it more later.

I'll wait for more people to be online.

[Elsa Jay]

Man that type of Mafia sounds like I'd get kicked out instantly.

Technically we can no elim here but usually ending the day with no elims just means we end the day without actual info and give mafia the first shot. Eliming someone lets us check who's working together.

Seeing the flips and having at least an IRL week to think it over kinda drastically makes it so peeps can make very coherent counterpoints better. So I'll point out some stuff as the game continues if I live.

Oh yeah: sometimes killing smarter players is better than killing PRs. I like doing that so town loses a voice of reason. If your scum Over that's a valid option.

[Elsa Jay]

It's in the rules post if you want confirmation.

-An Execution will occur once a majority decision is reached. if no majority is reached, the day will end peacefully.

Some games have plurality so whoever has the most votes at that time goes. But this game we HAVE to have a majority vote to kill someone.

[Elsa Jay]

This game is suddenly more interesting.

And from what I can tell those are his 2 big scumreads and then he'll get me day 2 if I'm somehow alive for claiming "not VT".

[Elsa Jay]

I love this sarcasm but you gotta put a note in front of it so non humorous people know.

*Pleasant voice* it helps people know what you mean!

[Elsa Jay]

I don't think you wanna sleep Over. Just type until you pass out. I did that once and it was funny reading the reactions to it AND wondering what I even meant.

[Elsa Jay]

We don't even know if it's a cop game. Granted it's the most likely, but there's so many versions of Cop it feels useless to speculate about it day 1 without knowing any other roles.

[Elsa Jay]

When did he even claim again? And you sure it wasn't one of those joke claims that happens once in awhile?

[Elsa Jay]

I probably would've been top poster if I started this game too. Then again I hate double posting and usually wait for someone elsa to respond, and I've seen some people go on a 6 post tangent.

[Elsa Jay]

Day 4 of IVD talking himself into holes.

Elsa's luck with red role pms is unfortunate but a vague pr claim isn't enough enough to move me anywhere that isn't a dann (Titus) wagon.

Especially considering Elsa will claim as any alignment any role.

*I was joking about miller.

Bleh. You can at least give me one game day to actually play tho. I'm trying to solve something that my role implied. And I'm not fake claiming this first game back.

Also, Elsa claimed b/c he's going to be the days wagon and he knows that a pr claim is the only way that he might be able to get out of it.

@over90

I thought I already told you why I actually claimed. I don't wait until I'm at hammer because I know my reputation with some people with still get me killed for "fake claiming" so late. Better that I'm getting it out of the way now so I can explain myself later.

It's not like I don't know I'm naturally scummy, but you've played with me before too. I ask questions nobody elsa will and I actually contribute when asked. I don't lurk, and I do genuinely care about the gamestate.

Sure I'm a cop check when necessary and I'm honestly wondering why people ignore me so much, but getting rid of me day 1 is never a good option. And if it's about Gamma being here I assure you I've replaced town him in the past as well. Town Creature, as well, now that I think about it.

[Elsa Jay]

I haven't even talked to everyone yet. I'm kinda bad at making readlists compiled but I do make them. But unless literally forced by the entire player list I don't make a list day 1 because I know I'll just randomly stuff people in town or scum that I haven't interacted with yet.

Honestly Over I do townread your enthusiasm, but some stuff you've said so far is kinda scummy. I don't usually go for new people tho besides lurkers. I'll read any posts from Danfloor and see if that train of thought Nero mentioned is useful.

[Elsa Jay]

**ItalianoVD, oopsie.

Sidenote I kinda wanna call them Italy instead of VD because that sounds cooler but if they don't like it I'll say VD.

Anyway off to read Italy.

[Elsa Jay]

The lurker comes back just to vote me because they see 4 votes on me. Wonderful.

[Elsa Jay]

I did read it and I townread him now. I came back to type as such and then I saw that horrendous vote. I gave her the benefit of the doubt with not seeing your vote either but now you're just gunning for me.

VOTE: Over

Don't try gaslighting me. I know how this goes. Kindly leave me be.

[Elsa Jay]

Well that's one of my main words I like using now and mean nothing by it, so while I'll take it into account I'll still probably use it later. Did someone get banned for using it now?

[Elsa Jay]

The PR claim has nothing to do with the rest. I take awhile to form reads. But when I do they're solid. Let me actually talk to other people to sort them bro.

Bosco would've been nice to chat and get an opinion on but they just come in and vote me. How am I supposed to discuss that?

Mq.Bosco: why, pray tell, have you decided to vote me?

[Elsa Jay]

I claimed not VT. Very different. Also got a null/slight town read on Enigma if you were curious.

i kind of agree with over90 that elsa's posts are vacant of hunting they're just pretty to look pretty

Something wrong with looking pretty?

I don't put my accusations out until I'm ready to hard accuse them. I'm hunting my prey slowly.

[Elsa Jay]

What do you want from me specifically then?

[Elsa Jay]

I don't wanna lie and put people somewhere randomly. I can do something better tho if it helps the town. Mala doesn't wanna interact in it anyway.

I am in Masonry with MonkeyMan576, Carcalilly and takotsubo syndrome.

Oh yeah.

I am in Masonry with Anime, Carcalilly and takotsubo syndrome.

It's updated to me, Enchant, Mala, and Carca but we're all in a neighborhood and with 4 people in it it's a pretty easy assumption to assume there's scum in there somewhere. If Over is scum he knows that too and is already setting up my elim tomorrow for not being shot as a PR. I'm nothing but a neighbor.

Been reading the thread and the neighborhood I replaced in and of the 3 I think Enchant is probably the closest to confirmed town to me, while Carca is null and Mala is scummy and most likely to be the evil one.

That help?

[Elsa Jay]

Considering you and Mala are voting me it doesn't really raise my opinion of you being town anymore. So I'll take my chances with the rest of town.

Nero is aggressive but from meta is probably town voting me for a wagon for info.
Enigma voting me from previous history and/or knowledge of Gammas habits is understandable.
Investigation Bosco who I can't read until I get more content from.
Cake just doesn't seem to have a scum agenda so he's town.

Yeah those are the 2 scum on my wagon. Outting the neighborhood is probably for the best anyway so we can use it properly.

[Elsa Jay]

There's 4 of us in it in a 16p game. 1/4 of the players are in it. If I had to bet it's basically acting like a radar to say one of those 4 is bad for town. Having it all be town just seems unlikely to me.

Hence why I'm betting on Mala atm.

[Elsa Jay]

I didn't wanna put the immediate target on my back, but I replaced into a sus slot so it never would've worked out like I normally play. So yeah I stalled because I didn't like doing it so soon but we've got 4 days left to solve this. So I sped up how I normally take.

But yeah frankly as long as we don't spend the next 4 days just on me we're good.

[Elsa Jay]

If I had to pick a 3 person scum team RN, it would be something along the lines of Over as the aggressive one, Mala as a supportive one, and one lurker of Bosco or Mashed being the usual lurk scum. Leaning Nash since they seem like the demotivated scum type of player. The ones who barely out effort into scum games.

[Elsa Jay]

I put the bare minimum of 3 scum. If there's more I dunno yet. Unless something stupid like "4 in neighborhood means 4 scum" is in play then I'll focus on 3 until we confirm there's 4.

And Titus is still a slight scumreads but doesn't work in the team I'm proposing. I wanna talk more with her to get info.

[Elsa Jay]

Is she online now? It's usually better to ask in real time.

...and I don't really have any good questions to ask that doesn't boil down to just asking her for a readlist and why she's voting me now.

[Elsa Jay]

Well then those are my two outta three questions for her.

1: does my claim affect your judgement of my slot now?
2: what's your read list and will you still vote me?
3: how was your day?

Taking a nap now.

[Elsa Jay]

Preferably if I had to make a suggestion it would be Mala since she's the most likely scum of the neighbors IMO.(hood is ded now btw). Or I guess Nashed as someone who lurked out. I guess that applies to Carca too.

Titus isn't priority and Nero seems town enough? Dunno if Over is still an option today tho.

F*** I hate getting rid of useful people day 1 that isn't obvious scum.

[Elsa Jay]

F*** I hate getting rid of useful people day 1 that isn't obvious scum.

Who is this about?

Generally just talkers like you. You instigate town activity and get stuff done. While getting rid of scum you (which I don't think you are) early is good, people who interact aggressively are best saved for later. Italy is giving interesting stuff too, so even if they are bad keeping them around let's associations go on better.

Would vote for Deus for pressure RN but I saw the first post claim ascetic, then PGO, and then confirmed they aren't VT 2 more times. One time I'd say is a joke but 4 posts all saying along the lines of "not VT" is bad. And I know he ain't a neighbor.

So what are you Deus?

Edit: Titus wagon? Bleh.

[Elsa Jay]

Ever since I entered it, only Enchant and I posted. They said stuff earlier about grilling Gamma in the main thread to read him. Mala has never posted on the current account, and Carca hasn't posted in 5 days. Mala in 8.

It's abandoned.

[Elsa Jay]

Lighting yourself on fire more implies the Human Torch tho, right? He's the guy that always does that.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah but I thought my comic lore brain remembered Phoenix/Dark Phoenix being a different personality tho. I don't think Wolverine has enough game to screw a cosmic force. He can try tho.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Bosco

That's why I stick with good ol' reliable DC Comics. All owned under one umbrella and has good animated stuff. Just my style.

Though I am getting into The Boys and Invincible now. So I'll have to get back to that later.

[Elsa Jay]

prodding nashedpotato

Hi you're looking kinda cute today schadd

ok i might want to kill that afterall

And you called me crazy for putting them on the scumteam.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh wonderful. Now we can have more time I guess.

It's also the weekend so more people should be active I think.

[Elsa Jay]

Me too. But I thought we only had 2 days left so I voted the other one with votes. The replacement gives us slightly more time I guess.

[Elsa Jay]

? Over do you know what a neighborhood is?

Friendly reminder it's me, Enchant, Mala and Carca in it. I trust Enchant the most. Mala replaces in and doesn't even bother to have ever typed into the hood. If we know for like 90% certainty 1 scum is in the neighborhood I just know it ain't me.

She also hasn't even talked to me about here or in the hood so I cantt say wecet tried talking it out.

[Elsa Jay]

I said 3 as the minimum to find bro. If there's more there's more. It's easier rn to find a group of 3 instead of a group of 4 anyways.

Edit: ... Over catch up on the game I'm voting Bosco at the moment.

[Elsa Jay]

What's the current VC at now? Frankly I don't remember who's switched to me, Bosco, or Titus now.

[Elsa Jay]

I know I don't wanna die either, but looking at who's voting Bosco now... Yuck.

Tell me the case on Titus again and I can probably be convinced to switched.

[Elsa Jay]

Ehh. Good enough for me.

VOTE: Titus

Way better then the less scummy lurker I guess. We can at least get info here.

If Titus flips bad you think we get Mala then? Or is Mala scummy regardless of Titus?

[Elsa Jay]

You know I honestly thought there would be more action and noise on a Friday. Or maybe this player list is European and plays when I'm asleep.

Then again 4 of us are lurking and 1 is getting replaced. So that too.

Edit: you do?

[Elsa Jay]

Maybe it's because I just woke up or it's because he's spread his thoughts over (heh) 25-30 posts, but I'm having a hard time following Over's thought process here.

[Elsa Jay]

Odd night roleblocker?... Hmm.

How did we run up another Non-VT claim already? Unless it's total BS or is a scum PR claim. But if Titus is claiming something like that at least it isn't fake. Town or scum I dunno.

[Elsa Jay]

I think Titus has 6 people voting her now, Bosco at 3 and me at 3?

Titus - Nero, Enigma, Elsa, StD, Cake, and Over are voting her now I think.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Titus

Oh. Make that 7 votes.

[Elsa Jay]

Are you not interested in talking with her?
But you wanted to do it... Instead of this you decided to go in this wagon, not talking with her...

Well she was gone. And I kinda already promised to talk it out with Mala in the neighborhood to see if I'm actually wrong at it's Enchant (less likely) or Carca (more likely). Titus kinda gets elimed mostly from lack of time. Can't Convo with a dead person.

[Elsa Jay]

I mean with how Cake's talking and already assuming your scum and seeing like 4 of those people probably vote parked on you now... I see you with 1 foot in the grave now.

But if you flip town, I shall look into your scum list. Unless it involves me.

Also, just going to highlight the obvious

The two slots that saved Bosco were DV and RCE

Ehh... It was more Nero and Cake who actually got the rest of us to vote you. Saving Bosco is a stretch as keeping a lurker slot hurts me.

[Elsa Jay]

Well I never claimed to be the smartest and/or best memory. But honestly if me and Nero didn't switch votes to you we would've stalled on Bosco and did nothing here.

But if you do flip town then I'll look more into Enigma first.

[Elsa Jay]

I think consensus in that case meant the collective player base and not just the hood.

Though if you wanna be technical since I said Mala and nobody elsa in the hood has voted me as an alternative considering both Enchant and Carca ain't talking and Mala voted Bosco, a Majority did say it's Mala. Just the majority is one vote against zero votes.

[Elsa Jay]

Ehh it's easier to just do it like so

Titus - Odd Night Roleblocker
Elsa Mala Enchant Carca - Neighbor
Deus - Ascetic

Honestly if I'm a betting man, assuming scum have 4, and we have 1 scum in the neighborhood, that leaves not much room for people actually being VT. Maybe the Neighbors are the VTs in this situation.

I just doubt Ascetic fits in with a Roleblocker claim in the same game unless it's TVS.

[Elsa Jay]

Ascetic honestly. That's more of something to block cop checks then anything. plus the Ascetic claim could be interpreted as fake to backpedal later but Titus claiming Roleblocker on elimination seems legit. Town or scum I dunno. But if Titus flips town Roleblocker then we gotta assume scum have some good abilities to stop.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa isn't a real princess

Elsa isn't a princess, she's a Queen. Until she becomes a literal Ice Spirit and leaves the kingdom to Anna but she was a damn Queen.

[Elsa Jay]

Titus is now at 8 votes. One more to eliminate.

[Elsa Jay]

Look at Mods new VC. 6 votes plus NK and Mala. Didn't see any others.

Edit: yeah that's what happened.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah considering Carca noped outta the game it seems... I called a temporary truce with Mala to actually talk it out.

Either way tho I think day 2 may or may not end in me, Mala, or Carca getting the elim. I don't think I wanna wait until day 3 with 4 neighbors with 1 scum in it. Scum ain't gonna kill the cover fire so I think the rest of you are in danger.

[Elsa Jay]

Ehh it's easier to just do it like so

Titus - Odd Night Roleblocker
Elsa Mala Enchant Carca - Neighbor
Deus - Ascetic

Honestly if I'm a betting man, assuming scum have 4, and we have 1 scum in the neighborhood, that leaves not much room for people actually being VT. Maybe the Neighbors are the VTs in this situation.

I just doubt Ascetic fits in with a Roleblocker claim in the same game unless it's TVS.

I'd also like a better clarification on if your role is neighbor and you're treating it as named townie? It isnt super important now but could be down the line.

Nah I know better. It's just... Well I guess others already confirmed it but there's a big BIG chance our hood is 1 scum 3 town. So it's like a mini bonus game of Mafia inside our game here. Letting the neighbors fight it out is best. Definitely don't let all of us live past day 3 tho. We don't wanna just give scum a free pass.

[Elsa Jay]

If your truly town I'm sorry Titus. I just thought it would be better if we didn't just end in a lurker death.

Edit: she did fight. Nobody listened though.

[Elsa Jay]

i need them to rip thought your team

Oh no. If Titus flips town this'll turn into an Old Man Logan scenario.

[Elsa Jay]

I meant in the fact Wolverine killed all the good guys, but that too I guess.

[Elsa Jay]

Hypothetically then, who would you stab?

[Elsa Jay]

Ah. Fair.

[Elsa Jay]

I dunno. I like hypotheticals. And the ultimate WIFOM is seeing if Kitty will die now because you said it.

I'll say I'll stab... Enigma if this flips town, Nashed if this is scum.

[Elsa Jay]

Thx. I try.

Man for a hammer this thread is still active.

[Elsa Jay]

prodding nashedpotato

Hi you're looking kinda cute today schadd

They get shot on principle for this. At least I believe Bosco and Mala want to try later. This is just insulting as a prodge.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait we're alive?!? Holy shit!

[Elsa Jay]

So did mine on Enigma. It's like town wants the Mafia alive.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait we're alive?!? Holy shit!

Why the surprise?

Because we're all alive! That's good news!

Well everyone but Titus. Titus died for our sins.

[Elsa Jay]

I mean if you wanna believe in vig, I literally said before the thread locked I would shoot Enigma after Nero said Kitty. I'm a (wo)man of my word.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa Jay (formally Gamma)
Mathblade (formally Carcalilly)
Malakitten (and her alt Tako)
Enchant

By common sense and basic math we know one of us is evil. Math is trying to figure it out after replacing in who among the 3 of us it is.

And I'd call you Cat, but considering we got a Kitty and a Kitten, your nickname from me is Scratch.

[Elsa Jay]

What the heck is all this? I go to sleep and all this happens.

For Enigma obviously it was a joke. I said it after Nero before. Dunno about now though, with him saying other stuff.

For Over being confused about the hood, there was legit like a 5 day pause where nobody used it at all. Wasn't lying that, Math just hasn't read the post dates in the hood. It's more active now because Math actually wants to use it.

[Elsa Jay]

I wanted to give Mala a chance but they keep calling me evil. Even in the neighborhood she hasn't really tried.

VOTE: Mala

Over may be making me paranoid or maybe it's launcher remorse, but I do wish we got rid of Bosco now instead of Titus.

[Elsa Jay]

Enigma level with me. Since you claimed to role cop Mala, and since you clearly think it means something so she isn't just a vanilla neighbor, it has to be important.

Is it something scum could use against us or is it something only a townie can be?

[Elsa Jay]

I’m on an ambulance call but I’m either at l-1 or close to l-1

I’m town Jk and targeted Elsa

I won’t be back til another hour or two bc this is an assault victim

Sorry about the patient but seriously?

You do nothing all day 1 and suddenly claim to be town Jailkeeper? How?

[Elsa Jay]

But... Ninja is a modifier?

[Elsa Jay]

Don't just vote me because Mala claimed Jailkeeper on me. That's a sheep vote. And a town Roleblocker is already dead who was odd night. Basic logic would imply the other town one would be even night. If there is one.

That's a scum one for sure.

[Elsa Jay]

And it's not because she's a cat?

[Elsa Jay]

Not to mention picking the one person she can argue she jailed outta spite, if anything.

I'm literally just a neighbor. I can't confirm or deny if I had anything happen to me. When I flip town, you'll be like "guess we gotta get the other neighbors". Then Enchant dies and Math either dies or convinces ya Mala being alive after that long is weird.

I didn't want today to only be about me and Mala. But I can't really stand by and die either.

Edit: I don't know. I'd say scum could've tried killing me but that seems laughable. So either someone else did something I don't know about yet or scum hit a bulletproof/hider/commuter whatever.

[Elsa Jay]

So again... Your arguing that the non gated JK is town?

At work now will respond later.

[Elsa Jay]

Please note your trying to kill me before half the town can even respond. and please actually see if Mala is acting townie. And why we got a Roleblocker and a role cop doctor, so why a non gated JK?

[Elsa Jay]

Enigma is believing he's right because he wants to be. He's probably town. Mala isn't town and a Jailkeeper doesn't match the setup so far for town.

At least just unvote me so I can't get quick hammered by people like Nashed and NotMaf.

[Elsa Jay]

If Elsa flips town and we chain elim me and mala because scum just didn't submit a night kill.....it would be hilarious honestly.

You're getting me and you killed because you won't think Mala is scum. Stop.

So enigma is town and lying about mala's role? Funny

I fucking said he's town. He's not lying about Mala being Jailkeeper. He's inferring she's a town one. Please read it again.

[Elsa Jay]

so if elsa flips green, i will elim other prs

Or we discuss like civilized people and not use a failure in the making follow-the-cop to kill me first?