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This is funnier having been in an Nk15 setup like this.In post 129, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, all those 3 scum in a 16 player is a really common setup. get real, NK15-
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The more people post the more scumreads I have.In post 102, KittyTacky wrote:I won't vote him so early, but I'll scrutinize his posts more.-
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Just on the basis that I know for a fact this isn't true I'm inclined to say this case has no legs.In post 106, ItalianoVD wrote:town!nero doesn't "want to kill half the thread"!-
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Idk how to quote from locked games but Find post 190 for reference-
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I've already said I don't. But his alignment has little to do with the validity of your case.In post 158, ItalianoVD wrote:In post 136, RCEnigma wrote:
Just on the basis that I know for a fact this isn't true I'm inclined to say this case has no legs.In post 106, ItalianoVD wrote:town!nero doesn't "want to kill half the thread"!That game had more content, this game, not so much. You've played with Nero, do you townlean him right now?
Well you've already cited a reasoning based in untruth so how much stock am I supposed to put in the rest of it with that in mind?In post 161, ItalianoVD wrote:
Probably by your partner RC.In post 157, Nero Cain wrote:and sort of a backtrack? Your case on me was meta and it's been proven wrong and no one besides Kitty is following it and now your case is that I haven't done enough. Where was that reasoning earlier?
They quoted one thing "town!nero doesn't want to kill half the thread" and threw out the rest of what I posted. Uh uh-
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You're assuming that you're just Town here (which I like ngl) but also that I know that and your bad faith argument still lands on Nero!scum. It ignores that fmpov you can just be scum pushing Nero and how you go about pushing a slot is also a way to sort you.In post 205, ItalianoVD wrote:
If you don't townread Nero, then what are you doing trying to discredit and disprove suspicions going his way and pulling people away from pushing there. Even if null, the effort you went through to prove he is town just raises my antennas, regardless of his alignment.In post 190, RCEnigma wrote:Uhhh what? We are playing Mafia.
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It calls into question everything else you built in in your case.In post 228, ItalianoVD wrote:
Very fair, but here's the thing. You took one point, that I will admit to being incorrect on in the "town!nero never wants to kill half the list" and totally disregarded the rest of what I said. "Oh because this is wrong, everything is wrong as well" Like if I'm wrong, like you pointed out with the one post, why didn't you do it with the others. It makes me think you are selectively dissecting an argument with points you only want to talk about which scum like to do.In post 210, RCEnigma wrote:
You're assuming that you're just Town here (which I like ngl) but also that I know that and your bad faith argument still lands on Nero!scum. It ignores that fmpov you can just be scum pushing Nero and how you go about pushing a slot is also a way to sort you.In post 205, ItalianoVD wrote:
If you don't townread Nero, then what are you doing trying to discredit and disprove suspicions going his way and pulling people away from pushing there. Even if null, the effort you went through to prove he is town just raises my antennas, regardless of his alignment.In post 190, RCEnigma wrote:Uhhh what? We are playing Mafia.
If you had lied about any other slot and I knew about it the outcome would be the same, I'd call it out as bs.
Also not all of it is provable/disprovable from my personal games or interactions with Nero.
Does scum!Nero patronize scumreads? Idk maybe. Does town!Nero patronize scumreads? Yes, I briefly blacklisted him for this specifically.
I don't know if he says he's town as either alignment or if that even means anything at all. Calling out answering for others is like ...maybe you have something there but Its not part of your case and more like a one off statement.
The rest is really nothing. In the sense that it's nothing alignment indicative but it's also not worth speculating on your alignment making those claims.-
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DV, over90 (but in a weird way), potato, Italiano in town ranges over null.
Gamma and Nero are in weird spots. I want to scumread gamma but I don't think anything they've done feels like gamma!scum. I hate the taco wagon but gamma doesn't jump out as the scummiest vote. I had them as townish before the wagon though so ehh.
And Nero I'm only really sketchy on their Gamma read.
So to give more context to that I asked Nero about Gamma specifically because I thought there was either A.) Some partnery stuff afoot or 2.) That Gamma could be trying to pocket Nero
Nero scumreading Gamma off the back of it is surface level ok but came off as more game aware than I liked. The rest of Nero's is in a town enough spot though.-
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It's the votes and the swing once kitty started picking up heat. I don't have any feelings about Takos slot one way or the other.In post 382, Dannflor wrote:
can you elaborate on why you hate the taco wagon? are you reading the slot any specific way or are you more focused on the votes around it?In post 370, RCEnigma wrote:I hate the taco wagon but gamma doesn't jump out as the scummiest vote. I had them as townish before the wagon though so ehh.-
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Get all the way out of here. I'm undecided on 2 slots that have dubious connections but named 4 other slots as definitive reads. So dig a little deeper and explain why having null reads in addition to my townreads is A.) An issue and 2.) In any way scum indicative.In post 389, SirCakez wrote:
FixedIn post 388, SirCakez wrote:
Hate all of this it's such a fencesitIn post 370, RCEnigma wrote: Gamma and Nero are in weird spots. I want to scumread gamma but I don't think anything they've done feels like gamma!scum. I hate the taco wagon but gamma doesn't jump out as the scummiest vote. I had them as townish before the wagon though so ehh.-
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I think danns direct defense of Kitty is very slanted and aimed at getting a foothold in a game that's....not out of grasp but his start puts him a step behind. I'm seeing it very much as an approach I like to take when I rep into scum slots and try to ingrain myself in conversation. Also possibly gaining an ally.In post 402, Gamma Emerald wrote:
out of the possible votes, Dannflor feels a bit odd rnIn post 395, RCEnigma wrote:Also shameless omgus VOTE: Dannflor
My DV read is kind of reinforced and for the same reasons he snuck into my townreads to begin with (his re evaluation of Kitty at the time) and kitty is prob town here.
You weren't able to see cheeky and I'd correspondence in FFXIV but that was the last time I got this feeling and it was wheme employing tactics I use specifically as scum.
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Just the guy feeling I got with the answer.In post 405, Nero Cain wrote:
why is a political answer instead of ya know, my feelings and thoughts?In post 401, RCEnigma wrote:I thought it was a political answer angled more at guessing where I was going with the line of questioning.
I'll say in a similar vein to FL, when I ask questions generally I already have an expected outcome or multiple expected outcomes.
(E.g x as Y alignment will probably answer this question this way but as A alignment they likely answer along these lines instead.)
My question was somewhat loaded this way so it's possible it was unfair from the start. But I already know that and it's something I take into account making reads.-
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Following your scumread to a wagon isn't a good look. I already thought the kitty vote was showy but not in a way I can justify without context.In post 418, Not Known 15 wrote:
Explain.In post 377, RCEnigma wrote:The sheeping, the lack of input,and the wagon you jumped from to get there.-
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Im not chopping that wall and the only thing that i really think needs any clarification is..
Bosco's question was very lamist at the time. Although i do think new scum are likely to make a post like that in rvs I backed off when i checked that was although they had signed up for a newbie game this was their first game on site -- so it got a pass for the time being.
other things I want to speak about are:
1) I think your scumteam is a weird place to land with my slot especially. Like writing off my pushback against Italiano's case as a strawman when I gave evidence that poked holes in it from the beginning is disingenuous. Considering you also agree that the case is not concrete and probably on town. though ive only really come around to nero!town recently.
B) That your scumteam are majority slots carrying the thread in terms of readable content yet the VC's look the way they do with all of the major wagons that have stalled out being on town from your pov. That just doesnt line up.
3) The funky Gamma progression, it seems like you read gamma negatively up until they tell me how to snip OOG quotes -- which is helpful but not in game terms. I fail to see how that would flip a read in any case so maybe there is more to it.
D) you did remind me the other issue I had with carca's posting which was the rolefishing, with my slot is the one that sticks out but I think there was another instance this happened. I remember making mental notes that it was something to keep a tab on but, goldfish memory.
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We are at a point where a bunch of people are talking but the game is not progressing. That in mind im not keen on playing hot potato with the wagons and town should be looking to consolidate. Originally I voted Gamma because pressure is the most reliable way to read Gamma. The abrasive pushback is scum indicative for Gamma specifically. So is repping out under pressure but thats more angleshoot than meta i think-
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If you're miller claim it now VOTE: ElsaIn post 694, schadd_ wrote:Elsa Jay replaces gamma emerald-
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Nero vaguely claims maybe not maybe pr
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Elsa could still be scum. I'm positive your slot is scum however. My working theory is that you're aligned and the Elsa vote was a spook vote that both dissuades further voting and plays to muddy an association.In post 959, Titus wrote:In post 941, Not Known 15 wrote:
I see TMI.In post 937, Nero Cain wrote:There's only 4 scum here
VOTE: Nero
This exchange pinged me to go back and look at DV's votes. Why would this post attacking Nero be enough to change a read on NK15? DV has largely played sheep on wagons in the game. I'm vaguely paranoid his NK15 vote was designed to protect Mala but not enough to push it. DeasVail sheeps a vote onto SirCakez wagon which is where my gut tells me scum are hanging out.In post 942, DeasVail wrote:I don’t really think NK15 is scum anymore
RCE immediately chainsawing that gives a red flag. RCE had just said there would be no jumping off Elsa but for a wagon on me. At first blush, that's fine as it indicates a scumread on my prior slot. However, there was no wagon on me to jump to.-
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I'm fairly familiar with Titus and generally find her easy to read as town which I'm not getting here. Activity is a poor way to read Titus in general since they are usually very busy irl. Plus day 1 is usually Titus' least impactful period in the game.
However better indicators are where and what Titus is pushing. Specifically troubling was her reasoning behind votes being vote analysis based. Titus is known for this yeah but the last...idk 3-4 times I've played with Titus!Town she's moved away from using it day 1 since there isn't any solid factual evidence to back the analysis up. So it's a red flag seeing her return to it here.
I could just be tunneling danns slot in general but I'm pretty positive Titus is red here.-
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