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Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go | Endgame
Mafia Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go
A game of hidden roles and social deduction.
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I will be using the flavour in this game to introduce you to the game of Go, one of my favourite hobbies. Known as Weiqi in China or Baduk in Korea it is believed to be the oldest game to have been continuously played. The goal of the game is to surround more of the board than your opponent with your stones, while having to balance not letting your pieces get surrounded and captured.
Spoiler: Alive at endgame
Spoiler: Dead
Spoiler: Replacements
Spoiler: Spectators
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Pregame setup
Sending out role PMs
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Role PMs have been sent. The game will start when(15/19)players have confirmed. Players have until (expired on 2022-03-02 17:30:00) to confirm before I start looking for replacements.
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Day 1 | Game Begins
Go is a game played by two players, one with black stones and one with white. Black goes first. Each turn you place a stone on the intersection of a board. The typical board is 19x19 intersections, though historically there is evidence of 17x17 boards instead. There are also smaller boards at 9x9 and 13x13 which are often used when teaching beginners but also provide a shorter experience with different pressures to all players.
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Go is often said to have three rules, of which the first is capturing stones. The four intersections connecting to a stone are it's liberties. If your opponent surrounds all the liberties of a stone it is captured. A stone with only one liberty left is inatari, which is where the game company get it's name from,
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Stones connected horizontally and vertically form groups. To capture a group all the liberties of all the stones need to be taken.
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In post 490, Yeet wrote:In post 179, Yeet wrote:
It’s a mindset slip. I’m not saying she’s projecting that we know you.In post 169, Datisi wrote:
mostly that your case was nothing because she did not say she townread me and the "you are projecting that we know datisi therefore you are scum!?!?" was a huge stretchIn post 165, Yeet wrote:
skitter has spoken so I would like to hear what your T h o u g h t s were hereIn post 120, Datisi wrote:i have Thoughts but i should probably let skitt speak first before saying anything
But I’m not that interested in my old case anymore. If she insists that her common phrasing means something other than what I think it would more commonly mean, I will drop it for now because I don’t think she would lie about that as scum.
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In post 986, Nordom wrote:
If those particular sentences managed to offend anybody, then I think that person needs to grow a thicker skin.In post 981, tenebrousluminary wrote:In post 964, Nordom wrote:Malcom, I think you're getting too over-excited in the pants from Datisi's lazy town read on you. You gotta dig deeper.
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Scoring in go is quite a big subject. There are two different ways of doing it and the easiest way to explain it in person is often showing. One of the skills for in person scoring is reshaping groups so make easy to count territories without changing the size of the territory from the game.
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So how do we reach scoring? A game of go ends when both players pass, agreeing that there is nothing more they can do. Then they look to see if they agree on which stones on the board are alive or would inevitably be captured, and if they disagree they start playing again until they agree, and pass again.
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Lets start scoring the game I shared a picture of previously. First we remove captures. The stones I have marked are ones that would be captured. How we deal with them will differ based on if we use area or territory counting...
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Once prisoners are removed, the next job is to count the spaces that make up your territory. In area counting the prisoners are discarded but in territory counting they count against your final total (or with your opponents total).
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I'm getting quite sleepy so I'll leave you with this. For reference atesujiis the Japanese term for a clever, often non trivial move, and Cho Chikun (the player on the left) is one of the greatest players of his generation with a reputation of being a bit of a mad scientist character.
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If the bent four is in the corner it actually ends up being a ko if the opponent plays there first and there aren't too many outside liberties.. In theory it's possible to keep this ko going until there is nothing big enough to respond to, so in this situation the corne is considered dead
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Much like chess, people do go problems to help improve their reading and learn about tricky situations. A common form of go problem aretsumegowhich are to do with the life and death of groups. Here is an example.
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Alive, dead, seki, or ko are the four results a group can usually end up having. I'll be going more into the strategy of ko in the future, but for now here is the Carpenter's Square, a very complex corner that often ends up in a ko. It has been suggested that if you fully understand this corner you are at professional strength.
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MalcolmTucker,Vanilla Townie, has been eliminated.
Night 2
Night 2 has begun. It will end in (expired on 2022-03-17 18:35:00). You have until then to submit any night actions you want to take.
If all living players pm me asking for a fast night I will resolve the night as soon as possible.
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Day 3
Day 3 was delayed by my go club so you get to see a photo of a game I played. Now I have covered the rules and life and death I'm gonna be moving onto more varied topics, some strategy, some history and culture, and even some stuff I think just has cool names.
I was black and I ended up winning by 3.5 points.
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One thing I said I'd talk about is the strategy of ko. The rules purpose was to avoid infinite loops, but to get to take a ko back you need to find moves that threaten a bigger point swing then whatever losing the ko is worth.
In this simplified example white threatens capturing the three stones to force black to respond, letting white take the ko back.
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Sometimes a ko is onesided. One player doesn't lose much if they lose but wins big if they win or vice versa. This is called a picnic ko or flower ko. Here white could choose to just live by playing 4 after black 1, but instead created a ko for the whole group, instead of just accepting the smaller reduction. Black doesn't lose much if he loses the ko, but white loses everything if they do.
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