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[April Ludgate]

ok it's just frog then right?

Yeah, why do you think the Froggie Protection Posse has been coming after me for days now? I think we got em.

[April Ludgate]

there's a very good chance all 3 of those are town shots so if you are town then maf team is doing us a favor lol

Kinda where I am at and I think still elim Titus

Wagon shoulda switched to Cape when I tried and scum blantantly overruled me while trying to make it my elim.

You should really reread the thread lol. I literally hammered just to get that day over with.

But if we eliminate me, we eliminate me. Just give me a few days to get my thoughts together.

I hate you because I was about to case April like literally 30 minutes after you hammered who I am less confident on since the Nero flip, but sorta still pretty confident on.

God Nero was openwolfing in the hood, they would have been the easiest push for me today

VOTE: April Ludgate

Okay. VOTE: April

VOTE: April

Oo, Froggy Protection Posse…ACTIVATE

we been here.

Just gotta figure out which of em are the sheep. They also all actively avoid any deeper analysis on Frogster slot.

[April Ludgate]

Frog/Cape locked team.

Third is in Eyes/STD/Tene/Scorp.

Still dont think it's Scorp.


@Math - My thing with Eyes is, why would they actively make the mistake as scum when they could have just not done anything and avoided it. Cape voting Eyes to only back off once a PR claim looks like Cape being scared of challenging a town PR at this point in the game.

The 4-shot is a really odd thing to claim as scum.

Not saying it's impossible, I still have them for the 3rd slot, but it's not a lock for me right now.

But I do think Cape's scum equity raised heavily after the PR claim, and their actions

I think Cape or Galron are scum yes. Not much has changed there.

@April -> I can’t answer the why yet. I just think someone crumbed something that’s contradictory to eyes claim so I would rather them respond first. Maybe I read something wrong.

If it's Tene, I'd fade tene over Eyes here in an instant. Because Tene was softing by trying to avoid the mass claim, which is super scummy at this point in the game.

[April Ludgate]

Don't let that change from the fact, I won't be fading outside of Frog/Cape today.

[April Ludgate]

Honestly, just let Tene/Eyes figure itself out over the days, because I think one of them are the final scum at this point.

If Eyes fake claimed, and Tene is real, that'll come out later.

If Eyes true claimed, then TeneScum did damage control.

Cape's actions after the Eyes claim are 100% scum motivated, and a repositioning of the gamestate.

[April Ludgate]

Also, you said 'someone' Math, and there was really no other option, and I don't think it needed to be hidden at all. if it were Fire, he'd use it to push Eyes, Galron/DV weren't here.

STD doesnt say anything.

Scorp/Myself are VT.

Cape repositioned completely away from Eyes after

Only real option for it to have been was Tene.

[April Ludgate]

Math, can we claim me as 3rd mason yet and stop the charade?

[April Ludgate]

Also, you said 'someone' Math, and there was really no other option, and I don't think it needed to be hidden at all. if it were Fire, he'd use it to push Eyes, Galron/DV weren't here.

STD doesnt say anything.

Scorp/Myself are VT.

Cape repositioned completely away from Eyes after

Only real option for it to have been was Tene.

Your logic is flawed. It’s antitown to say where.

that's a difference in opinion then. I think it's anti-town to stay hidden, especially on Day 5.

[April Ludgate]

Okay, we'll wait it out then

[April Ludgate]

Also, you said 'someone' Math, and there was really no other option, and I don't think it needed to be hidden at all. if it were Fire, he'd use it to push Eyes, Galron/DV weren't here.

STD doesnt say anything.

Scorp/Myself are VT.

Cape repositioned completely away from Eyes after

Only real option for it to have been was Tene.

Your logic is flawed. It’s antitown to say where.

that's a difference in opinion then. I think it's anti-town to stay hidden, especially on Day 5.

I think it will be worth it. If you want me to consider you town give me room to explore

I aint pressuring you to out it, just said my thoughts on the subject. If anything, I'm giving you even more stuff from me to analyze me with, not that you need to, mason buddy.

[April Ludgate]

there's a very good chance all 3 of those are town shots so if you are town then maf team is doing us a favor lol

Kinda where I am at and I think still elim Titus

Wagon shoulda switched to Cape when I tried and scum blantantly overruled me while trying to make it my elim.

You should really reread the thread lol. I literally hammered just to get that day over with.

But if we eliminate me, we eliminate me. Just give me a few days to get my thoughts together.

I hate you because I was about to case April like literally 30 minutes after you hammered who I am less confident on since the Nero flip, but sorta still pretty confident on.

God Nero was openwolfing in the hood, they would have been the easiest push for me today

VOTE: April Ludgate

Okay. VOTE: April

VOTE: April

Oo, Froggy Protection Posse…ACTIVATE

we been here.

Just gotta figure out which of em are the sheep. They also all actively avoid any deeper analysis on Frogster slot.

Please read my posts.

Frog's known he's been on the chopping block for days, he's been actively doing things that don't look scum motivated, but none of them have any reason.

And you also skip over the fact that Scorp's between Frog/Myself, so if frog can turn scorp onto me, it benefits him greatly.

If you're town, you're just wrong on Frog. I get it, you're on that other side, no shame in being wrong, it's all about getting the right conclusion by the end.

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That's fine, just don't say I'm not analyzing him when I just did.

I said deep.

[April Ludgate]

I also don't see that as an analysis really because you were using it to lead to a conclusion to get to me, which I know is just a factually incorrect read that you also refuse to look deeper.

[April Ludgate]

Not even meaning to be a dick about it, just my thoughts

[April Ludgate]

i dont censor myself that well when im town.

[April Ludgate]

Oh yeah, Math. With that "i dont bus" shtick you mentioned earlier, I have had some really strong busses, but that was also a shtick I built up for like a year for multiple reasons.

1: I got to do heavy research on being super anti-bus, and found that it is generally far superior than the alternative UNLESS you have setup to benefit from the bus, of course, sometimes needing to do so days in advance.

2: I really wanted to pull of some heavy busses, and I did so in an Anime U-pick where I broke Mastina when I bussed Jjh, and then again in an Animals U-Pick where I came up with a gambit and saved a partner to use their ability night one, only to call a guilty on them the next day. So when I bus, I bus hard.


___

Other note, @Math, one of my calling cards as scum is to create so much setup spec WIFOM chaos, and we have very little of that this game.

[April Ludgate]

given the possible partners that tene would have if he were scum here, the movement on the d1 and d2 wagons actually fit kinda perfectly

gonna be annoyed if i had it right originally and everyone convinced me tene was town. still not interested in it today but that's why he isn't quite full town for me yet

Tene scum would require another person who softed an inno on Tene to be lying

Not interested in tene

Eh, I'll believe this when it's confirmed to have happened. I don't trust anybody's softs right now. I will not be using this in any way shape or form to adjust any sort of Tene read I have.

Hard claims or bust for me.

[April Ludgate]

given the possible partners that tene would have if he were scum here, the movement on the d1 and d2 wagons actually fit kinda perfectly

gonna be annoyed if i had it right originally and everyone convinced me tene was town. still not interested in it today but that's why he isn't quite full town for me yet

Here's the thing, you and I both had that mentality with Tene, where we were convinced he was town by other people.

That might be telling, Fire.

I think this makes me scum read Tene a little bit more now that I think about it.

Frog/Cape/Tene/Titus was my solve, and I think that would explain why I started getting more heat by Cape/Tene.

[April Ludgate]

Titus set a good trap, i won't even get into the deep layers that went into it, even if it were subconsciously.

Titus has one of my favorite mafia playstyles I've seen.

[April Ludgate]

given the possible partners that tene would have if he were scum here, the movement on the d1 and d2 wagons actually fit kinda perfectly

gonna be annoyed if i had it right originally and everyone convinced me tene was town. still not interested in it today but that's why he isn't quite full town for me yet

Tene scum would require another person who softed an inno on Tene to be lying

Not interested in tene

Eh, I'll believe this when it's confirmed to have happened. I don't trust anybody's softs right now. I will not be using this in any way shape or form to adjust any sort of Tene read I have.

Hard claims or bust for me.

I find that softs generally are town motivated barring a major plan so I want to wait and see

You can be right, I guess. I always forget my scum game is pretty drastically different mentality than most because I definitely soft infinitely more as scum than I do as town.

[April Ludgate]

i mean it is true that one of the people who helped convince me was datisi lol

DV for me, and that's basically what I've been hanging on.

I swear, if I was right during the time when I was saying one of Fire/DV is scum, this is rough. DV scum will sweep past me, I've accepted that.

[April Ludgate]

Where are you standing on Frogster/Cape right now, math?

[April Ludgate]

don't think it would be dv. but cape/frog fits well with the wagon movement

yeah, we've been lined up for a while, Fire.

I would have voted Titus yesterday, but it happened fast. You were pulling me out from the pocket.

My Malcolm push was a miss, but I felt the right energy coming from Frog, and if it does end up being Tene, that means the Malcolm wagon was just falling on the wrong side of that Malcolm/Tene when I first jumped in.

[April Ludgate]

@Math - I think something that helps Fire town read me, but unable to define it is because coming from their POV, I just have no possible allies this game because they're doing all the work to defend me. Had Fire not stated their strong town read on me, my posts would mean absolutely nothing but noise today (I am quite noisy still, but it's not just noise, I do try to throw in a bunch of my thoughts and analysis)

Do you see where any of my potential allies would be in this game based on the social dynamics?

[April Ludgate]

I love late game when I'm town. so much less stressful.

I'm a trash talker, I really do apologize. I'm just ultra competitive (though I am happy for the people who win, especially if they played well), and it comes out of me in the heat of the moment, but all in good fun. Love seeing all the different ways people think and what actions they take in games.

like for instance, tene, if you scum, you playing well.

[April Ludgate]

yeah, Fire/April/Galron does make a lot of sense. I can see your perspective on that one. Yeah, oh my gosh, that would be such a terrible position to be in I now am understanding your dread for how possibly end gaming scary that combination is.

[April Ludgate]

Imma use some of that empathy thing and look into tene's position

[April Ludgate]

Fuck, I make so much sense as scum, and like....in a way where im oily, it's hard to get me, and ive been leading onto misfades and then coming off scott free ish.

But like, ya wanna believe i'm town right. well guess what everyone, i am town this game, you dont need to worry. just listen and follow our leader fire to victory. trust in us. we shall trust in you.

[April Ludgate]

yeah, Fire/April/Galron does make a lot of sense. I can see your perspective on that one. Yeah, oh my gosh, that would be such a terrible position to be in I now am understanding your dread for how possibly end gaming scary that combination is.

I can’t tell if you’re sarcastic or not

i'm more sassy than sarcastic, but genuine evenso!

[April Ludgate]

You see, my mistake on turning on my soul read VPB was my stronger soul read on Nero and then that odd Frogster comment by VPB, really got in my head. And I really started to feel Nero was town.

Good player, that Nero. That VPB slot flipping likely would have lead him to catch scum right after if he lived.

[April Ludgate]

Fuck, I make so much sense as scum, and like....in a way where im oily, it's hard to get me, and ive been leading onto misfades and then coming off scott free ish.

But like, ya wanna believe i'm town right. well guess what everyone, i am town this game, you dont need to worry. just listen and follow our leader fire to victory. trust in us. we shall trust in you.

Let me be abundantly clear.

I hate this post and I hate this style

I feel like I am arguing with you for control versus cooperation.

People should be following me which is proper as conf town.

I don’t like you arguing people should follow fire.

oh, right, im not really arguing that you shouldn't be followed, just didn't know if you have chosen or not.

plus, normally, i dont see conf townies as being able to be in that position of always being able to read the game correctly, if that makes sense. We all existing in this world, anyone can pull out a case that starts to make the others go "oh damn, that's right." i really shouldnt have said follow the player, that was just shorthand for going follow the player's reasoning. reasoning can be just a line or two because sometimes that's all it is.

i didn't even know we were arguing, im just kinda talkin to talk. i was more being funny, and presentational in the fact that I've accepted my existence in this game heavily is thanks to Fire.

[April Ludgate]

I'll case frogster again sometime. I think I have a stronger case for Cape, that turn after Eyes being a complete repositioning tool that comes from almost completely accepting the Eyes claim without question implies that Eyes might actually be a town PR, and Cape knows that. So that alone would have been strong enough for me to see that as scum. Frogster one, ties more into VPB, and how all those wagons were built. VPB was challenging Frogster, and it created sides when VPB kept living. I'll pull VPB's case as well.

[April Ludgate]

Hey Cape, I know you've been fairly suspicious of Scorpious throughout the game. Why not push them here?

It would be a waste of time, I’m not entertaining any pushes.

I have my solve and cape is not scum, and I’m still VT..

Yeah, stepping away, there are definitely solves where Cape is town.

[April Ludgate]

Math, you’ll be kept alive so that I can get misfaded, don’t worry

[April Ludgate]

Both frog and Cape have played anti scum agenda at multiple points this day phase and last, but that could be damage control, but i will say, it does give me pause here and there

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, if Frogster is town, this is probably a scum victory because the scum victory path would be Frogster->April.

[April Ludgate]

Paranoia of a moon theory Fire/Tene team.

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, if Frogster is town, this is probably a scum victory because the scum victory path would be Frogster->April.

Why are you so focused on pathing instead of just a solve?

I was going to ask why April is so focused on how town is going to elim them

That’s the way town me works, i look for the shapes in the present, the past, and the future.

My entire goal in this game is to make sure that I can get town read enough to not get misfaded, honestly, more than solving since Fire and I have such similar reads.

At the end of the day, I’ve been pushing my solves anyways.

I’ve been kinda soul reading Fire for a few days, so even if there’s a little paranoia, logically i think they’re just town

[April Ludgate]

I just can’t get over Titus voting VP over Cape and I don’t get the Frogger push.

If Frogger is scum then I trust you all.

If Galron is scum we need Cape’s town flip to state that.

Like if I had a vig I would hit Galron.

I wouldn’t think Galron is scum on a town Cape flip.

And if Galron is scum, he’s traitor, and we really don’t need to care about a traitor tbh

[April Ludgate]

Yeah, Cape’s been playing odd, and has done a lot of weird things if scum, but that might be by design.

I’m okay doing Cape first then Froggy tomorrow

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Cape

[April Ludgate]

april is a very big fish but also shouldn't be fried

Agreed. I want to see which of you is scum if any before moving there. You get one shot at April.

I think Cape is scum maybe just Fire and April and Tene for the rest

With how little resistance frog got he’s in the PoE.

April and I would deserve an Oscar for this.

Why do you say that?

Never mind, just help me bus her tomorrow then.

I don’t think I live until tomorrow.

You living tomorrow will be for the exact point of getting me misfaded

[April Ludgate]

Fire got one. We should give him a chance to find us another.

No I did. Fire agreed.

We do Cape today.

I don’t trust Fire.

Yeah, no, if you’re saying Cape today then me tomorrow.

Yeah, no. I’ve been pushing Frog for 3 days now.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Frog

Yeah, I’m gonna go here because I feel like Cape flips, no matter what they flip, I’d be next.

I don’t want Galron or myself fogging up tomorrow when we should have gotten Frog.

So for me, I like Frog -> Cape

[April Ludgate]

This also gives scum a reason to keep Math alive longer, which is gonna be better positive if we can get past them pushing Fire or myself.

Frankly, I don’t think Fire makes it much further, which is gonna take out protection on me even if it should make me Conf town, but I digress.

Calling it out ahead of time now, we can talk about that line post game.

[April Ludgate]

@Fire - If we go Cape today, and you die, that will likely lead to more Frog defense based on people trying to push April/Galron.

Going Frog today captures the green leaper, and Cape still won’t be in the clear.

[April Ludgate]

You know, i didn’t know VPB had claimed Ascetic so early, unfortunate thing for not reading the full game.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Frog

Yeah, I’m gonna go here because I feel like Cape flips, no matter what they flip, I’d be next.

I don’t want Galron or myself fogging up tomorrow when we should have gotten Frog.

So for me, I like Frog -> Cape

Fire got one. We should give him a chance to find us another.

No I did. Fire agreed.

We do Cape today.

I don’t trust Fire.

Yeah, no, if you’re saying Cape today then me tomorrow.

Yeah, no. I’ve been pushing Frog for 3 days now.

I literally said I don’t know who tomorrow

If Cape is red you against me again makes for a great elim tomorrow

Then I am guessing Frogger is also red so if you win you boost standing

My solve is Cape April/Fire Frog

In that order.

Do not deviate

This just looks like you wanna be right catching Fire or myself bussing rather than just admitting that town is are just catching scum.

Yeah, I’m staying on Frog today.

[April Ludgate]

That’s the exact situation I am trying to avoid have happen

[April Ludgate]

Eh, did somebody say E-1?

VOTE: Cape

We do Frogster tomorrow.

Math will live because of that take.

[April Ludgate]

I can already see the possibility of Fire dying and Math hard pushing me even though that’s an abysmal take.

“That’s exactly why it would be done!”

No.

Just no.

[April Ludgate]

Would also support tene or April..

In what world does a ScumApril kill Fire over a Math?

VOTE: Frogster

[April Ludgate]

And again..

VOTE: Frog

yeah, we should have done this yesterday.

[April Ludgate]

fireisredsir

has been found dead. They were a

Town Traffic Analyst

fireisredsir

You are a

Town Traffic Analyst

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player to investigate their communications. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME has communications.", "PLAYERNAME does not have communications.", or "You got no result investigating PLAYERNAME.". A player has communications if they are a member of a private thread with more than one living member, or a Mailman.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

OH WAIT

FIRE most likely TA'd DV and Myself.

That means DV and I are both confirmed Not Groupscum.

Yeah, Galron scum equity definitely goes up here, but still think Frogster over Galron here, because traitor's less important to hit than Groupscum because traitor cant win on their own.

[April Ludgate]

Froster, STD, Eyes, Scorp, Galron have the scum in them. I think Galron has decent traitor equity.

Frogster + One of STD, Eyes, Scorp, maybe 2 if Galron isn't traitor.

[April Ludgate]

We should elim Frog then Eyes here and deal with Galron later or not at all.

Yeah, I agree. I've been pushing Frogster since Day 3, and the fact scum killed Fire over Math is incredibly telling. Fire was super obv town, so town that i was worried I was getting pocketed again, but it makes sense now that he likely had an inno on me.

[April Ludgate]

fireisredsir

has been found dead. They were a

Town Traffic Analyst

fireisredsir

You are a

Town Traffic Analyst

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player to investigate their communications. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME has communications.", "PLAYERNAME does not have communications.", or "You got no result investigating PLAYERNAME.". A player has communications if they are a member of a private thread with more than one living member, or a Mailman.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

OH WAIT

FIRE most likely TA'd DV and Myself.

That means DV and I are both confirmed Not Groupscum.

Yeah, Galron scum equity definitely goes up here, but still think Frogster over Galron here, because traitor's less important to hit than Groupscum because traitor cant win on their own.

We do not need to guess. He claimed his results. Dragons was cleared as well. It is frog-eyes-scorp.

Oh, i didnt see him claim.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Frog-Eyes-Scorp should always be the path. if we misfade, we have to deal with a Tene/Galron split.

[April Ludgate]

Would also support tene or April..

In what world does a ScumApril kill Fire over a Math?

VOTE: Frogster

The fact that you would even ask this makes the case why either could happen.

Nah, that's something scum says to keep me as a misfade option.

Yes, there's always that "WIFOM" case, but here's the thing, if I wasn't essentially inno'd by Fire, in every situation, I would be a high chance of misfade. Fire dying over Math does incredibly more damage to me as scum than just killing Mathblade would have done.

[April Ludgate]

Literally all we need to do to win is not mislim me.

I doubt we can do it.

We actually can misfade you and still win. I think this is more of a Scorp/Tene duel than a Tene/Galron one. If Galron is scum, he's a traitor, so he can't win alone.

I think we just win if we can be happy with the innos on STD, DV, Myself.

Even then, we're confirmed to have to be traitor if we are scum, so we just replace us with that Galron solve, and win.

[April Ludgate]

Tene,Frog, traitor April..

Awesome, I can't win alone then.

We kill Frogster today for sure.

Eventually we deal with the Scorp/Tene duel.

Eyes last scum.

[April Ludgate]

We actually can misfade you and still win

Not if it is 4 scum + traitor, which I suspect it is.

But yes, i am content with the innocent results. One of you could be traitor, but we don't need to eliminate the traitor so i do not care.

Ah, you're right.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with Tene town atm.

[April Ludgate]

I probably should not have even said this but I have been stewing on it all night and anticipating the fire kill.

I had the same fear, so helping me relate.

[April Ludgate]

I should probably chill, I guess.

UNVOTE: Frog

make sure i'm not running into a game losing TownFrog misfade.

[April Ludgate]

Like April has now been wrong 5 times in a row

We’re hitting MathBlade territory. So I really don’t want Frogger

I'm not the only one in this game.

I also was one of the only ones saying Cape had done a lot of anti-scum things, and actively said i wanted to do Frogger, and not Cape, but sheeped you all yesterday.

It absolutely does not matter if you're wrong throughout the game if you end up getting to the right positions.

[April Ludgate]

Like I can’t make four scum fit with all the people who could have comms so then a traitor has to exist somewhere.

Yeah, I'm with you with the fact there's likely a traitor in this game.

Let's just look for groupscum, there's at least 2 of them. Galron/April/STD/DV cannot be groupscum automatically making it so none of these 4 are scum together.

[April Ludgate]

So frog + tene likely same alignment versus Scorpious.

how are you getting to this?

Frog/Scorp seems to be the most likely.

[April Ludgate]

Eh, I can see your position on that one Math.

You have to remember everyone's position this game, Math.

You are in the center because you are the confirmed town, so this game is scum actively trying to get you to tip to hit the townies, which I need to remember to see from your POV.

Also, I would say I've only been "wrong" once, and that was with Malcolm. Every other wagon I had complex thoughts and saw possibilities for the slots being town and scum.

[April Ludgate]

Like April has now been wrong 5 times in a row

We’re hitting MathBlade territory. So I really don’t want Frogger

I'm not the only one in this game.

I also was one of the only ones saying Cape had done a lot of anti-scum things, and actively said i wanted to do Frogger, and not Cape, but sheeped you all yesterday.

It absolutely does not matter if you're wrong throughout the game if you end up getting to the right positions.

But you’re the only one who has Boon tells and other crap.

Where’s your Boonskiies stuff?

I haven't been Boonskiies in over 6 years.

I'm giving you my Flavor stuff, and I think we're in a good spot to win this game.

We shouldn't focus on mishaps because I think all of the wagons we have hit have been beneficial to the game. We haven't had any "dumb" flips. VPB was a controversial slot, it made sense to fade there. It was town, and that opened up a lot of doors.

Cape was another large scale controversial slot, and had ties all the way back to VPB.

This means VPB-Cape-Nero were a TvT+T feud, and we can go back and look at that.


I was not "wrong" on Titus, as I actively pointed out a solid case on to why Titus could be scum but I gut town read her. I had also been saying I had a good feeling I was being pocketed. If anything, this was an insanely accurate read by me.

Maybe that kinda thing is what you are referring to with my Boonskiies shit, because now that we look back at it, I've had an insanely good game.


My most accurate read: My soul read on Fireisred days ago. And thats why I had so much paranoia there because of how much I was town reading Fire.

And you were thinking Fire was scum, which from your center piece position makes a lot of sense, but shout all the "inaccuracies" all you want, when you stop looking at it with rose colored glasses, you'll see there's actually a bunch of colors in a room you thought was black and white.

[April Ludgate]

Now, I think we should take our time this day phase, and really discuss possibilities with everyone, not just one person. There are definitely possibilities for cracks through the slips.

This is the game.

Everything from earlier in this game lead to this, it's a very even game right now.

[April Ludgate]

I know that doesn’t make mechanical sense but Galron and April are in their scum meta so freakin much

honestly, i dont think you know what my scum meta is. You just have an idea of what it is. I can tell, because I actively change my meta to make others think something is my meta often, and this has like none of the signs of a flavor scum game and everything of a flavor town game.

[April Ludgate]

See I don’t like your argument

The way I remember you is you never making a mistake and being mean when I mess up

You’ve been wrong and not mean to me so it’s off.

That feels like a big excuse

You have been calling me wrong left and right too, so that's a pot calling the kettle black. Ever since I got in this game, you've been only "giving me a chance".

Why is it okay for you to do that kind of thing? For the most part, the only thing I've called you wrong on is your read on me, and that's because I know with 100% certainty it is.

I don't believe I've made mistakes this game, that's just not how I view mafia. being wrong is not a mistake.


My playstyle with other townies is I just kinda point out where I see flaws in their cases. I like the cases you're making, and think the duo of us is beneficial for finding scum. You have a certain perspective over the game since you're conf town, and I'm here on one of the sides. We actively see different parts of this game based on our sociological position.

So when I'm pointing out things I think are incorrect with your pushes, it's almost like a Peer Review type of thing, or like why authors need to have others look over their work because it's harder to see those things from the inside.

I think that's an incredibly beneficial thing to do, and if you can get to that level with another townie, that's how you get soul reads.

Our issue is we just butt heads instead of hug.

[April Ludgate]

I know that doesn’t make mechanical sense but Galron and April are in their scum meta so freakin much

honestly, i dont think you know what my scum meta is. You just have an idea of what it is. I can tell, because I actively change my meta to make others think something is my meta often, and this has like none of the signs of a flavor scum game and everything of a flavor town game.

Look at team mafia it’s so similar

Where's the similarity?

Team Mafia I had a scum partner who didn't do anything, a scum partner who actively played against me, and a townie who sees pushes as a personal thing rather than a game plan.


You also think you see how a scum game of mine looks, and act like that's how I play every game. I am aware of the times youve seen me as scum, and just like I did in that game I pocketed Titus, I was actively aware of how Titus read me normally, and I played that entire game to get that strong pocket.

I am a meta chameleon, and that's why I actively don't use meta because I know how much I can abuse it. I also know how to copy my town game. I think that Team Mafia game I knew exactly how to get specific others to town read me there, and I used a 1v1 encounter to split the game long term.

[April Ludgate]

See I don’t like your argument

The way I remember you is you never making a mistake and being mean when I mess up

You’ve been wrong and not mean to me so it’s off.

That feels like a big excuse

You have been calling me wrong left and right too, so that's a pot calling the kettle black. Ever since I got in this game, you've been only "giving me a chance".

Why is it okay for you to do that kind of thing? For the most part, the only thing I've called you wrong on is your read on me, and that's because I know with 100% certainty it is.

I don't believe I've made mistakes this game, that's just not how I view mafia. being wrong is not a mistake.


My playstyle with other townies is I just kinda point out where I see flaws in their cases. I like the cases you're making, and think the duo of us is beneficial for finding scum. You have a certain perspective over the game since you're conf town, and I'm here on one of the sides. We actively see different parts of this game based on our sociological position.

So when I'm pointing out things I think are incorrect with your pushes, it's almost like a Peer Review type of thing, or like why authors need to have others look over their work because it's harder to see those things from the inside.

I think that's an incredibly beneficial thing to do, and if you can get to that level with another townie, that's how you get soul reads.

Our issue is we just butt heads instead of hug.

It’s okay because I have to. Otherwise you steam roll me.

It’s okay because you have a record of being one of the best townies in all of MS. Like > 80%

I feel like I have to fight against you no matter what.

Titus was obviously in her scum meta then you tried to steer the wagon away after agreeing.

When I talk with you it doesn’t really feel like peer review more like you’re trying to dissuade me to do certain things and you feel agenda y

I just say my thoughts on slots. I push in strong open ended to force people to react/take sides. I also flip flop constantly because as town, I got such a big imagination for what could be happening.


I was on the wrong wagon on a lot of end of days, but a lot of my mid day I have been correct, I just flip flop.

Like Nero vs VPB + Cape being a TvT+T, I think that says a lot about the way scum have been playing this game, and have actively been trying to let town eat each other alive.

So townies, we have to make sure we get the other townies to town read us correctly. Let's take our time this day, slow down the game.

Scum naturally speed the game up when it's in directions that they like, so that's something that scared me with that Frogster wagon, even with me on it. Granted, Tene/Scorp likely have 1 scum in it, and if Frog is scum, it does make sense they might bus, but still, I'd like to take the time.

[April Ludgate]

April why frog over eyes?

I also hate how you didn’t answer this.

I don't have a case for eyes, i haven't made a real case for eyes, it's just been POE. I feel this is kinda obvious from my posts, and the fact I've been pushing Frog for days.

I also havent seen that post, I'm reading out of order, and replying when I see a post, then not going back in order.

[April Ludgate]

I know that doesn’t make mechanical sense but Galron and April are in their scum meta so freakin much

honestly, i dont think you know what my scum meta is. You just have an idea of what it is. I can tell, because I actively change my meta to make others think something is my meta often, and this has like none of the signs of a flavor scum game and everything of a flavor town game.

Look at team mafia it’s so similar

Where's the similarity?

Team Mafia I had a scum partner who didn't do anything, a scum partner who actively played against me, and a townie who sees pushes as a personal thing rather than a game plan.


You also think you see how a scum game of mine looks, and act like that's how I play every game. I am aware of the times youve seen me as scum, and just like I did in that game I pocketed Titus, I was actively aware of how Titus read me normally, and I played that entire game to get that strong pocket.

I am a meta chameleon, and that's why I actively don't use meta because I know how much I can abuse it. I also know how to copy my town game. I think that Team Mafia game I knew exactly how to get specific others to town read me there, and I used a 1v1 encounter to split the game long term.

I think everything here is true here but you’re still scum. You have a “sticky” feeling when scum and not present when town. I am not good at wordsmithing but I also think it doesn’t really matter because much as I think you’re scum you’re a bad elim today.

Well, post game, at least you'll see that you should never use meta on me anymore. It'll hurt you 10 out of 10 times more than not using it.

[April Ludgate]

See I don’t like your argument

The way I remember you is you never making a mistake and being mean when I mess up

You’ve been wrong and not mean to me so it’s off.

That feels like a big excuse

You have been calling me wrong left and right too, so that's a pot calling the kettle black. Ever since I got in this game, you've been only "giving me a chance".

Why is it okay for you to do that kind of thing? For the most part, the only thing I've called you wrong on is your read on me, and that's because I know with 100% certainty it is.

I don't believe I've made mistakes this game, that's just not how I view mafia. being wrong is not a mistake.


My playstyle with other townies is I just kinda point out where I see flaws in their cases. I like the cases you're making, and think the duo of us is beneficial for finding scum. You have a certain perspective over the game since you're conf town, and I'm here on one of the sides. We actively see different parts of this game based on our sociological position.

So when I'm pointing out things I think are incorrect with your pushes, it's almost like a Peer Review type of thing, or like why authors need to have others look over their work because it's harder to see those things from the inside.

I think that's an incredibly beneficial thing to do, and if you can get to that level with another townie, that's how you get soul reads.

Our issue is we just butt heads instead of hug.

It’s okay because I have to. Otherwise you steam roll me.

It’s okay because you have a record of being one of the best townies in all of MS. Like > 80%

I feel like I have to fight against you no matter what.

Titus was obviously in her scum meta then you tried to steer the wagon away after agreeing.

When I talk with you it doesn’t really feel like peer review more like you’re trying to dissuade me to do certain things and you feel agenda y

I just say my thoughts on slots. I push in strong open ended to force people to react/take sides. I also flip flop constantly because as town, I got such a big imagination for what could be happening.


I was on the wrong wagon on a lot of end of days, but a lot of my mid day I have been correct, I just flip flop.

Like Nero vs VPB + Cape being a TvT+T, I think that says a lot about the way scum have been playing this game, and have actively been trying to let town eat each other alive.

So townies, we have to make sure we get the other townies to town read us correctly. Let's take our time this day, slow down the game.

Scum naturally speed the game up when it's in directions that they like, so that's something that scared me with that Frogster wagon, even with me on it. Granted, Tene/Scorp likely have 1 scum in it, and if Frog is scum, it does make sense they might bus, but still, I'd like to take the time.

Who’s rushing? Why are you saying slow down?

A general reminder/statement because I saw that I was rushing.

I posted that when I unvoted. Understood that I had moved too fast.

[April Ludgate]

Gun to my head Eyes Galron Tene April is my solve

Galron and I are confirmed not scum together, btw.

[April Ludgate]

Psychologist inno + TA inno

So there isn't any combination with STD/April/DV/Galron based on Fire and Yeet Night actions.

[April Ludgate]

So Scorpious Galron eyes and a traitor April
Or Frogger tene eyes and a traitor April makes the most sense

The problem is both solves suck

DV doesn’t want the latter town reading Tene
And the former has us have to hit scorpious which is bad.

And I kinda think it’s the former

Okay, you realize the wagons I'm leaning today are Frogster, Scorp, and Eyes, right? Galron/Me are impossible.

You actively just want me to be scum.

No meta with me, not even the self meta I push out.

I use self meta both alignments, and every self meta, either alignment, I say is always something that you can know that I believe to be true. any alignment.

[April Ludgate]

Psychologist inno + TA inno

So there isn't any combination with STD/April/DV/Galron based on Fire and Yeet Night actions.

There is if Galron is group scum who did the kill N1

He can't. Yeet cleared Galron of being Groupscum.

Yeet's role said had the potential to make a night kill.

[April Ludgate]

Scorp/Frogster/Eyes/Tene have all the Group Scum in them, could have the traitor, doesnt have to.

STD/Galron/April/DV cannot be scum together, and if scum, HAVE to be traitor.

[April Ludgate]

im personally starting to town read Tene this day phase and after everything.

@Tene - would you be willing to claim now? i think might as well have everyone's role.

[April Ludgate]

Yeet

has been found dead. He was a

Town 3-Shot Psychologist

Yeet

You are a

Town 3-Shot Psychologist

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Three times during the game you may visit a player at night to investigate their ability to kill. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME is capable of killing.", "PLAYERNAME is not capable of killing or has already killed.", or "You got no result from investigating PLAYERNAME." at the end of the night. Players capable of killing are members of the

Mafia

other than

Traitors

,

Serial Killers

and

Vigilantes

who have not yet killed

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Yeet got “Galron is not capable of killing or already has killed”

This means Galron is town or traitor or group scum who killed N1

hmm, yeah, that looks possible. this changes a few things.

was Skitter in the game Night 1?

[April Ludgate]

Log

Scorp/Frogster/Eyes/Tene have all the Group Scum in them, could have the traitor, doesnt have to.

STD/April/DV cannot be scum together, and if scum, HAVE to be traitor.

Galron can be traitor or Groupscum if they made Night 1 kill.

[April Ludgate]

Alright, well, ill be back sometime. Gotta go do a fiverr gig.

[April Ludgate]

might be tomorrow

[April Ludgate]

Math…

Deas is leading you right down the wrong path, trying to figure out if it’s scum or you’re both just being horrible at mafia atm..

I hate this post. Why Deas?

I think Deas can't be scum here. His play has been too focused.

I think this is pretty townie from Galron here, not gonna lie. Feels genuine.

[April Ludgate]

I don’t have the same expectation of FL/Boon being right in reads that you do

Yeah, if anything I'm known for death tunneling a townie at least once per game as town

[April Ludgate]

I do quite think it is frog. He has done no solving and posted nothing town from day 2 on. But we can do eyes first and talk about it tomorrow.

Yeah, I feel Frogster's in the space where he's trying to actively say as little as possible to not have any hard ties to them.

That vote on Eyes is one of the few pieces of action they've taken for a while, and it seems like a specifically chosen political vote, if that makes sense.

It creates a WIFOM association. We could think it's them bussing a scum, or pretending to bus a scum. Heavy WIFOM in it.

I personally think in their situation, they're more likely to vote a partner than town since it's highly likely Frogster goes down sometime. Not impossible, but it'd be safe to setup.

However, a Scorp/Eyes + 1 traitor does have potential as well, meaning Froggy could be town, meaning that Cape/VPB+Nero-Frog was TT+T-T.

[April Ludgate]

Oh wow, that was A50. I have to go back and read the game now.

[April Ludgate]

Day 6-
Math coming off really awkward today
Frogster seems to be the preferred lim for people today, slot doesn't look good.
Scorpius is looking towny compared to when I played against them as scum.
April looks townie so far
Other slots look meh, lots of talk from my predecessor.
I'm not willing to vote for StD today because of my result. I'll look for context but we can do better.

I’d appreciate you fixing your impressions as I am literally conf town unless you want to argue I am fake claiming mason.

just let them read you naturally, it's fine if they dont see it, would have liked to see them continue going.

[April Ludgate]

can always tell em afterwards, not like you'd be in trouble.

[April Ludgate]

I think Eyes/Azumarill is probably town. That 4-shot Follower claim followed by Azumarill's entrance is townie to me right now.

But Azumarill, if scum, could have just come in well, so that's subject to change as we move forward, but liking what I'm seeing so far.

Still thinking Frog/Scorp, atm.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Frogster

For VPB.

[April Ludgate]

I think Eyes/Azumarill is probably town. That 4-shot Follower claim followed by Azumarill's entrance is townie to me right now.

But Azumarill, if scum, could have just come in well, so that's subject to change as we move forward, but liking what I'm seeing so far.

Still thinking Frog/Scorp, atm.

How do you explain town power?

Follower sways very little. i see minimal between a 4-shot Follower and a Fruit Vendor or VT.

That's also how it could be scum, regardless, I think Azumarill is going to be giving more content than Frogster at this point in the game, and I think Frogster is likely just scum.

[April Ludgate]

They're all fine votes. Why does everything have to be better?

i would town read even if they werent TA'd.

Idk why you're acting like I town read Scorp.

I've been calling Scorp scum a while, that's definitely a fine vote.

However, even after a win, even if Frogster is town, post game, I still think Frogster should have been faded instead of Cape.

And I will continue pushing it.

Frogster actively stirred the VPB-Cape-Nero pot. If Tene is town, which I'm starting to read them as, Frogster also took the TvT approach with Malcolm/Tene way back when.

When VPB cases Nero and Frogster, I actively thought his Frogster case was far superior than his Nero one.

And ever since the VPB flip, Frogster has checked out of the game, likely because they're stuck in a position where if they take more action, they'll actively be spreading more threads to tie them back to partners.

You're also talking to me like my exact solve wasn't Frogster/Scorp/Eyes a few pages ago. I actively stated I wanted to go back and read Eyes because I wasn't aware that was Almost50, a player I can read better than anyone else can, and Azumarill is actively talking and doing things, so I'm fine letting that sit.

[April Ludgate]

I'm also not keen on having to wait 3 game days to fade Frogster.

[April Ludgate]

Scorp's in a position where if they are scum, they're already compromised. Frog is stealthing out as scum, and night kills will begin to help shape the game against a Frogster fade.


@DV - Scorpious scum isn't getting away this game, can we go Frogster today?

Gives us time to read Azumarill more, and Scorpious can keep digging the trench they're in.

[April Ludgate]

@Scorpious - you've been wanting Frogster, why have you been avoiding voting there now that pressure has alleviated on him?

[April Ludgate]

Also, with my most likely scum team being Frog/Scorp/Mega, Frogster's setup in the position the best to get scum to vote their own partner.

+ I want to reevaluate Mega, and let them post for a bit, actually see where their head is at/what actions they take.

[April Ludgate]

Scorp's in a position where if they are scum, they're already compromised. Frog is stealthing out as scum, and night kills will begin to help shape the game against a Frogster fade.


@DV - Scorpious scum isn't getting away this game, can we go Frogster today?

Gives us time to read Azumarill more, and Scorpious can keep digging the trench they're in.

Why Frogger when it’s proven scum want to elim Frogger?

Scum saying they want to elim Frogger is not the same as scum wanting to elim Frogger. Never forget that.

Look at the actions, not the saying.

I just caved yesterday with Cape, and got burned for the exact reason I wanted to do Frog over Cape.

I had reads for a possible TownCape, despite scum reading them, and knew Frogster was the right play yesterday.

I'm in the same position with Frogster-Scorp. Do I scum read Scorp? Yes. I also scum read Cape. Can I see a world where Scorp is town? Yes.

Here's the thing. I can make a town case for every single player in this game.

Scum do townie things, townies do scummy things.



VPB cased Frogster. VPB put a lot of pressure onto Frogster, and because of this, VPB had a heavy amount of pressure on him the entire game.

I was defending VPB left and right, left and right, and there was a time I knew he was town. I had a soul read on him, but then Frogster got in there and played with the gamestate. Frogster actively tried to make it look like him and VPB were SvS. I was the biggest defender of VPB.

And I ended up getting swayed.

I knew I was getting pocketed there. I had a gut town read on Titus, even though I completely laid out the reasonings for her being scum. I accurately called out that exact pocket.



Frogster is the absolute best fade today because he was also the best fade yesterday.

[April Ludgate]

@VPB - Can you do this for your Cape read too?

My main reasons for thinking cape!town are:

- His "case" on me from D2 was so stream of consciousness and poorly formed, I have a hard time seeing scum type that up and being like "yes, this is persuasive!"
- He flipped to town reading me D2 at a point when pushing me would have been a much easier scum play and probably helped secure my lim. He similarly was not sold on Galron at E-2 to E-1 range. Again, I don't see much advantage to this as scum beyond a vague effort toward town points. (though if all three wagons at that point were town, maybe that's a good time to score town points?)
- He didn't really pump up the Nero/VP fight in the hood since early game, and has questioned us both pretty fairly I would say.


I don't think this is a slam dunk town case, but like I said before, PoE points much more to Nero here than Cape. I could be wrong, but Nero's arguments with me all game have been so bad faith it is truly difficult to see him as town. Clearing him on amorphous meta reads ain't really gonna do it for me.

On top of the deep Frogster scum read, Cape-VPB was also an incredibly strong town block.

They knew the other were town, and you could see it in their posts.

Frogster actively shattered this.


To believe Frogster is town, you have to believe:

VPB - Nero - Cape - Frogster Quad is T-T-T-T.

[April Ludgate]

Frogster also pushed Malcolm and Tene as TvT.

That was Frogster pleasing both sides, or protecting Tene by appeasing to Malcolm.

I smelled that scummy scent in Malcolm, based on Frogster's posts.

I turned on my VPB town read because of Frogster's posts.

He has been actively doing things in the background that have effected this game.

My Malcom read might have been wrong, but my sniffer wasn't. I smelled scum, he was just rolling around with the frog.

[April Ludgate]

Fire was also seeing it as Frog/Cape, and he made the mistake of allowing for Cape first as well.

Frogster is scum.

[April Ludgate]

Having an incorrect read is not the same as a terrible read.

correct. His reads are confirm biased and poorly reasoned.

What are your bulletpoint reasonings for FrogsterScum?

- He voted camped Yeet D1 forever until I started pushing him. This is very unusual to me because I just finished a game with Frogster where he was wild ass voting everyone in the game as town with tinfoil theories. Here, he is timid and afraid to move his vote around.
- The only pushes he has made all game have bene Fua/Enchant, Yeet, Galron and myself. I know I'm town. I know Yeet is town. I think it's highly likely Galron is town. Those are the safe bets, too. Not looking good.
- His reasoning around the Galron wagon yesterday does not hold up to scrutiny. (There is a fairly in depth analysis of this in my big post opening the day, and follow up questioning of Frogster today).

This is also a good bullet point scumFrog case from earlier in the game.

His early pushes were Enchant, Yeet, Galron, and VPB.

3 of these are town. Galron has a low chance of Group Scum.

[April Ludgate]

This was a direct meta difference finding by VPB as well who had recently finished playing with a town Frogster.

Frogster is scum, my friends, and has been in the background a while, and look at his position now. He's even been flying underneath the radar and is actively LOSING interest in a wagon on them when the opposite should be true.

The stank on Malcolm was from Frog. We do this for VPB. We do this for Cape. We do this for Malcolm and Fire.

Frogster is scum, the case is strong, he fits with almost any combination of the remaining players.

Vote Frogster.

[April Ludgate]

This is very unusual to me because I just finished a game with Frogster where he was wild ass voting everyone in the game as town with tinfoil theories. Here, he is timid and afraid to move his vote around.

this started happening more AFTER VPB mentioned this.

[April Ludgate]

Nah I don’t think so.

I think this game has been a TvT shit fest

Okay. Then respectfully, I think you are wrong, and will now continue to push for this wagon through usages of other's votes.

[April Ludgate]

Nah I don’t think so.

I think this game has been a TvT shit fest

Okay. Then respectfully, I think you are wrong, and will now continue to push for this wagon through usages of other's votes.

your TvT shitfest doesn't turn out not to be true with Frogster being scum. It just explains the reasoning for it.

If you think it's just a TvT shitfest for no reason, then I don't know what to say. I just think that's plain out wrong.

[April Ludgate]

Being wrong is okay, though, doesn't mean bad.

[April Ludgate]

@Tene - I'm with you. Let's hold the line with Frogster today.

I'm actively not sure about Eyes/Marill, and I do think Scorp is scum with Frog. I also think scum are trying to make Scorp the fall guy instead of Frog because they can change the gamestate with night kills.

Frogster today always. I'm with you thick and thin.

[April Ludgate]

@DV - Let's sheep Fire's Frog/Cape theory onto Frog today. A Frog scum flip makes for an easy Scum Scorp flip, and also we either get Scorp's vote bus or he awkwardly changes his position on Frogster. Either way, pushing Frogster is good for catching the Scorp.

[April Ludgate]

@Scorp - if you're town, I'm prolonging your fade to get someone you've said you scum read, please join me on Frog.

[April Ludgate]

Let's Avenge VPB-Cape town block by getting the one directly in the action.

[April Ludgate]

@VPB - Can you do this for your Cape read too?

My main reasons for thinking cape!town are:

- His "case" on me from D2 was so stream of consciousness and poorly formed, I have a hard time seeing scum type that up and being like "yes, this is persuasive!"
- He flipped to town reading me D2 at a point when pushing me would have been a much easier scum play and probably helped secure my lim. He similarly was not sold on Galron at E-2 to E-1 range. Again, I don't see much advantage to this as scum beyond a vague effort toward town points. (though if all three wagons at that point were town, maybe that's a good time to score town points?)
- He didn't really pump up the Nero/VP fight in the hood since early game, and has questioned us both pretty fairly I would say.


I don't think this is a slam dunk town case, but like I said before, PoE points much more to Nero here than Cape. I could be wrong, but Nero's arguments with me all game have been so bad faith it is truly difficult to see him as town. Clearing him on amorphous meta reads ain't really gonna do it for me.

On top of the deep Frogster scum read, Cape-VPB was also an incredibly strong town block.

They knew the other were town, and you could see it in their posts.

Frogster actively shattered this.


To believe Frogster is town, you have to believe:

VPB - Nero - Cape - Frogster Quad is T-T-T-T.

Frogster also pushed Malcolm and Tene as TvT.

That was Frogster pleasing both sides, or protecting Tene by appeasing to Malcolm.

I smelled that scummy scent in Malcolm, based on Frogster's posts.

I turned on my VPB town read because of Frogster's posts.

He has been actively doing things in the background that have effected this game.

My Malcom read might have been wrong, but my sniffer wasn't. I smelled scum, he was just rolling around with the frog.

Having an incorrect read is not the same as a terrible read.

correct. His reads are confirm biased and poorly reasoned.

What are your bulletpoint reasonings for FrogsterScum?

- He voted camped Yeet D1 forever until I started pushing him. This is very unusual to me because I just finished a game with Frogster where he was wild ass voting everyone in the game as town with tinfoil theories. Here, he is timid and afraid to move his vote around.
- The only pushes he has made all game have bene Fua/Enchant, Yeet, Galron and myself. I know I'm town. I know Yeet is town. I think it's highly likely Galron is town. Those are the safe bets, too. Not looking good.
- His reasoning around the Galron wagon yesterday does not hold up to scrutiny. (There is a fairly in depth analysis of this in my big post opening the day, and follow up questioning of Frogster today).

This is also a good bullet point scumFrog case from earlier in the game.

His early pushes were Enchant, Yeet, Galron, and VPB.

3 of these are town. Galron has a low chance of Group Scum.

This was a direct meta difference finding by VPB as well who had recently finished playing with a town Frogster.

Frogster is scum, my friends, and has been in the background a while, and look at his position now. He's even been flying underneath the radar and is actively LOSING interest in a wagon on them when the opposite should be true.

The stank on Malcolm was from Frog. We do this for VPB. We do this for Cape. We do this for Malcolm and Fire.

Frogster is scum, the case is strong, he fits with almost any combination of the remaining players.

Vote Frogster.

[April Ludgate]

@Scorp - if you're town, I'm prolonging your fade to get someone you've said you scum read, please join me on Frog.

Sure, tene is still scum though.

VOTE: Frog

Another reason to go Frog instead of Scorp in its own right, to allow a solve on Scorp/Tene further.

[April Ludgate]

LOL what changed here?

I think the unvote + vote is fake to make the April slot seem more dynamic and like they're reflecting on their read on me. I also think April tries to set up for it again:

this is all you need to see to see that Frogster's just grasping at straws, because Mathblade and I had a clear talk about how I wanted to chill, and not rush into it. I took a few days, reorganized some thoughts, and the same outcome.

[April Ludgate]

This shitty distancing isn't going to work.

Are you inferring that he's distancing with me?

[April Ludgate]

I am at the bottom of page 123 and

at that point

I think I have more or less developed reads that look like this:

Town reads: Nero, VP, Enchant, fire, STD, Deas

Almost-Town: Yeet, Malcolm

Can't decide: Scorp, Datisi, skitter, April, Cape

Scum leans: tene, frog

Note that these are mostly impressions although claims do play a part of it. Also names in each category are not necessarily ordered

Oh shit.

It might be Frog/Tene/Eyes, with Eyes as the traitor.

[April Ludgate]

I am starting to like this April person. They're not afraid to speak their mind and go against the tide. (Of I wanted to be really mean I'd have said this was one more slot Nero wanted to push. but I want to be fair and say that at the time April wasn't posting I personally could not have got any read on them, so fair is fair).

agghhhhh, this is super townie now that I know it's coming from A50.

[April Ludgate]

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

Yeah, I think Eyes has heavy traitor potential.

Their reads were very solid if you go check their early ISO.

"if my reads were perfect"

Then it might be this, this could also mean there's an additional scum in the game.

Either way, this leads more credibility to the Frogster is scum.

[April Ludgate]

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

VOTE: frogster

Will do this all day. Don't care.

VOTE: frogster

Titus jumping on here makes sense as a scum partner of Frog because the wagon gains momentum, if Frog goes down, on a Vote Count it would look anti partnery. Exactly the type of thing Titus would do.

[April Ludgate]

Is there anything I can say or do to stop this hideous wagon on VP from going through?

well the alternative is prob nero who you also townread

Or we can kill frog or tene

more

[April Ludgate]

You're all too noisy and I'm glad I managed to get this far, so I'll claim and let someone better at making connections interpret the info

I was a 4-shot follower. My results:

N1 STD (No Action)
N2 Nero (Protective)
N3 Deas (No Action)
N4 tene (No Action)

I was mainly trying to confirm slots that didn't look like they're going to get eliminated anytime soon. Unfortunately Nero got shot at night which is something I could not have controlled or predicted.

I also thought a goon was more likely to do the kill early on so I thought the STD result was a stronger clear than say that of Deas and Deas is still a bit stronger than tene, but I'll leave that to someone who knows better

Current readlist:

[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]DeasVail, [*]tenebrousluminary
[*]Aristeia/April Ludgate, [*]fireisredsir, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90
[*]Frogsterking, [*]Scorpious

None of this is anything that couldn't be proven. This also gives a little protection to possible partner Tene.

This forced Tene to need to claim VT if scum.

Hmm.

[April Ludgate]

It's possible Traitor Eyes is trying to tie TownTene to the scum team. Hmm, yeah, I think Eyes is most likely to be the traitor, so might be a Traitor Follower.

[April Ludgate]

Okay, before I call it, gonna do a reads list

Titus
Fire

Nero
Scorpious
Enchant
STD

Eyes without a face
DeasVail
Galron

_____

tenebrousluminary

Cape

Frogsterking
VP Baltar

Now, I think Cape has a similar amount of equity as scum as VPB/Frog, however, if VPB is scum, I don't think Cape is. If VPB is town, I think Cape is scum.

Tenebrous is almost coming down to POE scum.

I don't really see the point of Frogster saying that line he did as scum with VPB town.

There's likely a scum, 2 if we're living in the Cape scum world, and I think the lower on my 3 townie tiers they are, the more likely they are to be scum. I don't think it's Titus or Fire.

Currently my guess would be the DV slot.

this was me when I was actively in the deep Titus, which made my conclusions off, but the pools correct.

Cape/VPB ended up both being town.

Frogster/tene looking like possible scum. Which means 1 from every tier, which is solid positioning by scum.

[April Ludgate]

All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)

Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90

Scorpious

Datisi/Titus

Frogsterking,

tenebrousluminary

Again. Frog/Tene at the bottom, who else is there? Titus.

Eyes is traitor, Frog and Tene are scum partners with a possible Scorp thrown in.

[April Ludgate]

if one is being thrown in there to throw us off, which is possible, it's in Tene/Scorp.

[April Ludgate]

there's a very good chance all 3 of those are town shots so if you are town then maf team is doing us a favor lol

Kinda where I am at and I think still elim Titus

Wagon shoulda switched to Cape when I tried and scum blantantly overruled me while trying to make it my elim.

You should really reread the thread lol. I literally hammered just to get that day over with.

But if we eliminate me, we eliminate me. Just give me a few days to get my thoughts together.

I hate you because I was about to case April like literally 30 minutes after you hammered who I am less confident on since the Nero flip, but sorta still pretty confident on.

God Nero was openwolfing in the hood, they would have been the easiest push for me today

VOTE: April Ludgate

Okay. VOTE: April

VOTE: April

Oo, Froggy Protection Posse…ACTIVATE

we been here.

Just gotta figure out which of em are the sheep. They also all actively avoid any deeper analysis on Frogster slot.

Tene was also part of the Froggy Protection Posse which has scum in it.I forgot

[April Ludgate]

given the possible partners that tene would have if he were scum here, the movement on the d1 and d2 wagons actually fit kinda perfectly

gonna be annoyed if i had it right originally and everyone convinced me tene was town. still not interested in it today but that's why he isn't quite full town for me yet

Here's the thing, you and I both had that mentality with Tene, where we were convinced he was town by other people.

That might be telling, Fire.

I think this makes me scum read Tene a little bit more now that I think about it.

Frog/Cape/Tene/Titus was my solve, and I think that would explain why I started getting more heat by Cape/Tene.

I think I was 3/4 here.

[April Ludgate]

Tene,Frog, traitor April..

Awesome, I can't win alone then.

We kill Frogster today for sure.

Eventually we deal with the Scorp/Tene duel.

Eyes last scum.

But I add in Eyes here, so I think this is a near perfect solve atm.

We're almost there.

[April Ludgate]

Scorp/Frogster/Eyes/Tene have all the Group Scum in them, could have the traitor, doesnt have to.

STD/Galron/April/DV cannot be scum together, and if scum, HAVE to be traitor.

Woo!!!! Look at that topper.

[April Ludgate]

Might consider going Eyes today because an Eyes traitor flip confirms me as town, but still think somehow Frogster can slip through in that scenario, especially if I die after becoming conf town, so gonna stick with the Frogster push.

Plus, I wanna see what Azumarill does now.

Alright, sleepy time.

[April Ludgate]

Day 6-

Math coming off really awkward today

Frogster seems to be the preferred lim for people today, slot doesn't look good.
Scorpius is looking towny compared to when I played against them as scum.
April looks townie so far
Other slots look meh, lots of talk from my predecessor.
I'm not willing to vote for StD today because of my result. I'll look for context but we can do better.

This has a decent chance of being a purposeful plant.

[April Ludgate]

Spoiler:

I am at the bottom of page 123 and

at that point

I think I have more or less developed reads that look like this:

Town reads: Nero, VP, Enchant, fire, STD, Deas

Almost-Town: Yeet, Malcolm

Can't decide: Scorp, Datisi, skitter, April, Cape

Scum leans: tene, frog

Note that these are mostly impressions although claims do play a part of it. Also names in each category are not necessarily ordered

Oh shit.

It might be Frog/Tene/Eyes, with Eyes as the traitor.

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

Yeah, I think Eyes has heavy traitor potential.

Their reads were very solid if you go check their early ISO.

"if my reads were perfect"

Then it might be this, this could also mean there's an additional scum in the game.

Either way, this leads more credibility to the Frogster is scum.

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

VOTE: frogster

Will do this all day. Don't care.

VOTE: frogster

Titus jumping on here makes sense as a scum partner of Frog because the wagon gains momentum, if Frog goes down, on a Vote Count it would look anti partnery. Exactly the type of thing Titus would do.

Is there anything I can say or do to stop this hideous wagon on VP from going through?

well the alternative is prob nero who you also townread

Or we can kill frog or tene

more

You're all too noisy and I'm glad I managed to get this far, so I'll claim and let someone better at making connections interpret the info

I was a 4-shot follower. My results:

N1 STD (No Action)
N2 Nero (Protective)
N3 Deas (No Action)
N4 tene (No Action)

I was mainly trying to confirm slots that didn't look like they're going to get eliminated anytime soon. Unfortunately Nero got shot at night which is something I could not have controlled or predicted.

I also thought a goon was more likely to do the kill early on so I thought the STD result was a stronger clear than say that of Deas and Deas is still a bit stronger than tene, but I'll leave that to someone who knows better

Current readlist:

[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]DeasVail, [*]tenebrousluminary
[*]Aristeia/April Ludgate, [*]fireisredsir, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90
[*]Frogsterking, [*]Scorpious

None of this is anything that couldn't be proven. This also gives a little protection to possible partner Tene.

This forced Tene to need to claim VT if scum.

Hmm.

these are the collection of the posts where I think Eyes Traitor is signaling to the buddies.

[April Ludgate]

Keep in mind, I have been scum multiple times with A50, and have also caught A50Scum multiple times.

[April Ludgate]

A scum team with A50/Titus knew exactly how to get me to come across poorly, and you can see it with the positioning.

Titus got me pocketed, and bookended the Malcolm and VPB wagons.

Eyes helped me get Malcolm Momentum rolling.

I was sandwiched by these two.

[April Ludgate]

It was enough to send momentum over when my flip flop reads were on the flop rather than the good flip.

Okay, for real now, nighty night.

And vote Frogster.

[April Ludgate]

Frogster/Eyes Traitor, 1 or both of Tene/Scorp.

I'd bet the game on this solve.

[April Ludgate]

A scum team with A50/Titus knew exactly how to get me to come across poorly, and you can see it with the positioning.

Titus got me pocketed, and bookended the Malcolm and VPB wagons.

Eyes helped me get Malcolm Momentum rolling.

I was sandwiched by these two.

Keep in mind, I have been scum multiple times with A50, and have also caught A50Scum multiple times.

Which makes it bad you don’t realize this is A50 scum game

VOTE: Meg

We should not be doing Frog today.

You actively not read anything?

I specifically called this out as Eyes scum.

[April Ludgate]

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

Yeah, I think Eyes has heavy traitor potential.

Their reads were very solid if you go check their early ISO.

"if my reads were perfect"

Then it might be this, this could also mean there's an additional scum in the game.

Either way, this leads more credibility to the Frogster is scum.

Wouldnt having good reads be poor play for a traitor?

i can see A50 doing it like that, especially if he didnt expect to die.

[April Ludgate]

All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)

Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90

Scorpious

Datisi/Titus

Frogsterking,

tenebrousluminary

Again. Frog/Tene at the bottom, who else is there? Titus.

Eyes is traitor, Frog and Tene are scum partners with a possible Scorp thrown in.

What? Why would a traitor put the entire team at the bottom? I'm just the game winning mislim... there's not even an explanation for my moving around from him. Which is in lockstep with what Scorp is doing, incidentally.

to be fair, i did say that it was possible he was putting you there as a misfade grouping.

[April Ludgate]

Nah, if we go there, and I die, Frogster wins this game. Been trying to get Froggy multiple days now, im not budging.

[April Ludgate]

I can taste the frog stew on the tip of my tongue through the moisture in the air--we're close.

[April Ludgate]

You can push Frog after I die April.

lol, you arent gonna die

[April Ludgate]

UNVOTE: Scorpious
VOTE: Frogsterking

I think the main thing that has been holding me back from voting here is a ridiculous sense of stubbornness, which is probably not actually a very good reason.

Uhm this is possibly elo and you’re swapping to a wagon that has to have at least a scum in tene/Scorpious and with your top scumread?

Please back to Scorpious or Unvote.

Yes, 1 scum will be voting their scum partner Frogster. Made this point.

[April Ludgate]

Let's have some Frog Stew and move to the next day.

Azumarill is probably the correct play tomorrow, or deal within Scorp/Tene.

[April Ludgate]

Let's have some Frog Stew and move to the next day.

Azumarill is probably the correct play tomorrow, or deal within Scorp/Tene.

Disclaimer- if you are planning on deciding between the two of us based on content just lim me..
I have tried and tried and tried and this game is so dry, I get bored within 50 posts…

I don’t see what possibly more can be discussed. I’m not mocking either. I don’t see what “new” information I can bring to the table.

eh, im leaning Tene.

[April Ludgate]

Well, yeah, I spent like a whole page casing Eyes as Scum (albeit pushed as traitor) makes sense that the momentum went there after I left considering it was the counter wagon.

Same thing happened with Titus. I cased them as scum, gut town read.

I was sandwiched in between them.

I needed to start moving my vote more.

I’m retiring April after this game, back to the Flavor.

Might mod a game, I have a lot of stored up lore/drawings I’ve been doing for my own projects and I wanna start tying it into games, so i need to game design.


So the Mathblade kill comes with some WIFOM for me.

While it does make sense for anyone to kill Mathblade, I have some WIFOM paranoia about Frogster, and scum wanting Mathblade dead so I push through a misfade.

However, I still wanna lean Frogster + 1 of Scorp/Tene.

The game sped up fast near the end of the day, so I wanna see what really set it off, and if my eyes scum push didn’t open some flood gates and ruin me.

Luckily Eyes was a lock scum for me at the time.



Yeah, I’ll take some time here

[April Ludgate]

What you thinking DV?

One big thing that stood out to me yesterday after I was gone and everyone quick wagon’d was Tene saying they don’t trust April anymore even though they voted the Eyes slot which I had just spent a whole page casing for scum

[April Ludgate]

My neighborhood appears to be empty and I'm sad

Can someone catch me up?

Save The Dragons, Myself, and DeasVail were Traffic Analayst’d by Fire, meaning none of us are group scum, but could be traitor.

You were Psych’d by Yeet, meaning you can only be Traitor or Group Scum who killed Night 1.


VPB-Cape hard town read each other and pushed against Nero.

All 3 in your neighborhood were town.

Frogster was VPB’s biggest scum read.

Frogster lived through the VPB-Frogster counters

Through the Cape-Frogster.

And through the Eyes-Frogster

[April Ludgate]

Frogster also hasn’t done too much in the past few days, and VPB did a strong case on them Day 3.


I’ve been trying for Frogster since then.

Idk if I’m tunneled incorrectly or correctly, tbh, but logic makes me want to lean that I’m correct, especially considering that’s how I’ve been all game.

Mostly correct, and then paranoid backtrack incorrectly at the absolute worst time

[April Ludgate]

My first game back in almost a year, I’m rusty

[April Ludgate]

My issue is parts of me trust both Tene and Scorpious, but I don’t think it’s TvT, I just don’t know which one it is.

The scum in them, if true to be TvS, has done well to position for those of us in the game.

Outside perspective like a dead thread can probably see it incredibly obvious, but they have that special vantage point watching from that DBZ cliff where baby Trunks was introduced

[April Ludgate]

Frogster was VPB’s biggest scum read.

Frogster lived through the VPB-Frogster counters

Through the Cape-Frogster.

And through the Eyes-Frogster

Were all 3 of these town??

Yes. Your entire neighborhood was town so far.

[April Ludgate]

Save The Dragons, Myself, and DeasVail were Traffic Analayst’d by Fire, meaning none of us are group scum, but could be traitor.

You were Psych’d by Yeet, meaning you can only be Traitor or Group Scum who killed Night 1.

Also for this, doesn't this mean we basically won? There's 7 alive and 4 innos. Unless one of you 3 are traitor we just win by killing the 3 remaining people

We aren’t fully inno’d because traitor possibility, and with the Neighborhood and Psych/TA combo, we likely living in a traitor world.

It’s also possible there’s a total of 5 scum, albeit I think that’s less likely, but definitely possible.

[April Ludgate]

Save The Dragons, Myself, and DeasVail were Traffic Analayst’d by Fire, meaning none of us are group scum, but could be traitor.

You were Psych’d by Yeet, meaning you can only be Traitor or Group Scum who killed Night 1.

Also for this, doesn't this mean we basically won? There's 7 alive and 4 innos. Unless one of you 3 are traitor we just win by killing the 3 remaining people

Tene/Frogster/Scorp might only have 1 scum in them, but they’re the 3 uncleared.

Traitor could be anyone.

[April Ludgate]

Seeing Sonic 2 tonight, so I’ll be away soon

[April Ludgate]

So frogster was wagoned 3 times, and 3 times the counterwagon was flipped, and all 3 times it was town, and he's still alive?

My issue is parts of me trust both Tene and Scorpious, but I don’t think it’s TvT, I just don’t know which one it is.

The scum in them, if true to be TvS, has done well to position for those of us in the game.

Outside perspective like a dead thread can probably see it incredibly obvious, but they have that special vantage point watching from that DBZ cliff where baby Trunks was introduced

Well late game replacements are OP for town so I'll probably figure it out once everyone starts really posting

Issue is it was me the one that was pushing Frogster, and I was heavily sandwiched by two scum in Titus/Eyes early, so it’s possible scum are looking to abuse my position in this game and cause me to be a misfade or to push through a misfade.

I look absolutely abysmal if you look at end of day Vote Count Analysis, but by looking right before end of the day, I had a lot of accurate callouts.

If I were a different slot, I’d probably be tunneling me right now

[April Ludgate]

Who do you think traitor is? In the inno'd or no?

Idk, STD or you. Math had Galron/Skitter as like lock scum for a while.

I didn’t like STD early, but i turned around on them.

It’s possible all the inno’d are town, though, and scum just in the Frog/Tene/Scorp triangle.


The game really is super close.

People thought it was a scum wipe early, but the writing was on the wall that scum would be going down to get here.


I think we have one more misfade.

[April Ludgate]

@Frogster - Who do you think is more likely scum, Scorp or Tene?

[April Ludgate]

If I were a different slot, I’d probably be tunneling me right now

i'm a different slot

ya, but you aint tunneling me anymore, silly

[April Ludgate]

So frogster was wagoned 3 times, and 3 times the counterwagon was flipped, and all 3 times it was town, and he's still alive?

eyes did not fliptown. i dont fully agree with all of april's characterization of the game. i don't think all of those frog wagons were that significant. granted i am leaning he's scum, but you should have accurate information

overnight i was thinking your slot is just mafia, feel free to try to show otherwise

I had also cased Eyes as scum for basically half a page right before they got wagoned.

Yes, eyes flipped scum, that doesn't mean Frogster wasn't the next wagon.

I gave 100% accurate information, and this feels like discredit attempts when everything I have put out was fact.

[April Ludgate]

Surprised to see this outcome. I was sure the nightkills would be specifically designed to kill me. The only thing I can think of is that Math was the main force protecting Frog, but idk.

they are designed to have me faded over you.

[April Ludgate]

My issue is parts of me trust both Tene and Scorpious, but I don’t think it’s TvT, I just don’t know which one it is.

The scum in them, if true to be TvS, has done well to position for those of us in the game.

Outside perspective like a dead thread can probably see it incredibly obvious, but they have that special vantage point watching from that DBZ cliff where baby Trunks was introduced

I am sort of astounded that you see some sort of spectacular positioning in Scorp's gameplay when it has mainly been to do nothing and refuse to explain anything.

What do you mean? The do nothing is more likely to be town, the positioning would be scum, so not sure what you're arguing here.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Mega

I don't trust april anymore.

This was the most odd post by Tene.

We were on Frogster together, but then I go and case Eyes for like half a page, and then they state this, and go the person I had just cased?

[April Ludgate]

Sight reading has me leaning to Deas/tene team..

I actually can see it, DV traitor.

But I also don’t think it’s impossible Tene/Scorp are both town either.


Frogster/STD is possible as a team. Same with some combination with Dwlee

[April Ludgate]

Frankly, Math probably just died because they were Conf town and the rest are still possible scum.

[April Ludgate]

Frogster/STD is possible as a team.

you know i don't have pt access tho

i'd still be down to get april tbh

yes i know what i just said

i think april is probably a traitor at this point

in that scenario, you would be traitor, the exact thing you just pushed against me....

[April Ludgate]

Frogster/Tene, Frogster/STD.

I dont think it's necessarily Tene/STD, seems odd they'd both hop Scorp's bones here if that's the case.

[April Ludgate]

Sight reading has me leaning to Deas/tene team..

I actually can see it, DV traitor.

But I also don’t think it’s impossible Tene/Scorp are both town either.


Frogster/STD is possible as a team.

Same with some combination with Dwlee

what you mean

[April Ludgate]

I'm not sure. His play has been pretty underwhelming, but I am currently reading into the Math nightkill and thinking it might be a sign that he's the mistake.

im in a similar boat, but math was a conf townie so it might be thinking too much into it

[April Ludgate]

Damn, I was coming to that Scorp/Tene Town Town

Idk, I just really felt Scorp was town near the end there.


Damn, my reads were like right there on the verge

[April Ludgate]

gg scumbutts. Town's biggest mistake this game was stubbornness, and yall deserved the win given the setup.

Thanks for modding Mizzy and worst!

Tbh it’s my lack of

I should have just kept insisting on Galron but I was trying to be cooperative

Then not being allowed to cooperate made me insist on Titus

Then I should have used that clout to demand Galron.

I messed up by trying to be good town

At the end of the day, 5 scum is just a heavy amount of in thread influence, and scum scraped by most of the day phases, until it added up to heavy strength.

I really wish we just went Frog instead of Cape.

[April Ludgate]

I shouldn’t have eased up, and just pushed Frogster harder

[April Ludgate]

gg scumbutts. Town's biggest mistake this game was stubbornness, and yall deserved the win given the setup.

Thanks for modding Mizzy and worst!

Tbh it’s my lack of

I should have just kept insisting on Galron but I was trying to be cooperative

Then not being allowed to cooperate made me insist on Titus

Then I should have used that clout to demand Galron.

I messed up by trying to be good town

I think a big issue was we just didn’t consider that the other of us could be right as well because you kept hard pushing me as being wrong when I was pushing scumFrog correctly the last 4 day phases.

[April Ludgate]

wp all! tough call at the end there, i don't think it was likely we were going to lim dwlee/galron. i would have gone with scorp as well (after frog, at least)

Yeah short of me demanding Galron/Dwlee which I probably want April/Ari’s slots head

It kinda made me sad like I don’t see how I could have been more clear about Galron/Skitter scum

This is how I felt about Frogster.

[April Ludgate]

Damn, my reads were like right there on the verge

Wish we would have overlapped more, April! I could see you were getting closer and it was fun playing with you while I was alive.

I’m so upset. I had you as a soul read, and I let Frogster play me into scum reading you.

I’m just glad I wasn’t as off as I thought I was.

Also, the end of day vote count made me look so bad, but I was so close at times not at the end of the day

Titus did some good work when she was around.


I had the issue of being afraid to be too confident since it’s been a while since I played, but I just needed more confidence

[April Ludgate]

Fun game, though.

5 scum made it hard to play against considering where the votes were.

Man, I was so close to getting to that Tene/Scorp town town, but scum were in a position to deal with that well.


Glad to see my Frogster Protection Posse was right with exactly 1 scum in it with STD.



I was just right around the corner. Ugh. Okay, enough beating myself up over it.

Was a super fun game. Thanks, Mizzy.

Good job, scum, positioned well.

[April Ludgate]

gg scumbutts. Town's biggest mistake this game was stubbornness, and yall deserved the win given the setup.

Thanks for modding Mizzy and worst!

Tbh it’s my lack of

I should have just kept insisting on Galron but I was trying to be cooperative

Then not being allowed to cooperate made me insist on Titus

Then I should have used that clout to demand Galron.

I messed up by trying to be good town

I'm waiting for the review thread to be released but the general sentiment was town has a lot of mechanical power to get clears but 5 vs 14 gives scum a lot of social influence, combined with the potential for false clears. The only balance change was informing the scum about the psychologist as well as the stuff I told them about the traitor. The 3:1 hood was considered slightly +town as the expected distribution, I considered having 2 scum neighbors as a way to scumside the setup more but I dunno how the reviewers would have felt about an all town hood, because it never really came up.

I have pmed the reviewers so maybe they'll pop in the thread, I dunno

I think it was slightly scum sided, but in a way that was pretty even.

Social influence > mechanical, bar hard inno possibilities.

I think it was decently balanced