Open 86 - Lovers Multiball (Game Over)

[armlx]

I've yet to see this other evidence WWB. Please post it.

Basically, you keep bringing up the time stamp, saying your vote isn't correlated to it, and not saying anything about what else there is when asked what it is then.

[armlx]

I see the 1 thing where you misread why I'm voting charter, the language barrier semantics, and you trying to say the Fire and Ice wagons early on were fundamentally different.

[armlx]

I refuse to lynch on timestamps, and I believe that lynches should be made on actual evidence, rather than purely attempting to out-guess/break the game.

In the abstract, I would normally disagree with this. Except the mod specifically stated the theory was wrong.

[armlx]

The level of semantics based attacks is getting unreal. Can we just go back to lynching the people who stalled on the mass claim, opposed it to begin with, then have OMGUS'ed everyone who has attacked them for it?

[armlx]

I'd still rather lynch obv scum Charter first.

[armlx]

Well it's still would give us a good indication and it's a damn sight better than a charter lynch (although that would also go a way towards proving it as well as townie = normal timestamp).

Huh? What indication would it give more then what the mod stated in thread?

[armlx]

Appeals to Emotion - Townies have emotions too! Townies appeal to emotions just like scum. This is not a fact a fact of scum.

OMGUS votes - Townies have suspicions too. Townies can have a suspect list that included the people that are voting for them. This is not a fact of scum.

Assumptions - Townies assume too. Townies can make just as many assumptions as Scum. This is not a fact of scum.

Hesittating to post daytalk - Townies are willfull and rebelious too. This is not a fact.

All these are things scum tend to do more (assuming that by Assumptions you meant baseless assumptions about scum/town), so while town

can

do them, they indicate a person is scum.

[armlx]

Whose meta are you throwing in here Crazy? Mine or Charters?

[armlx]

They will be divulged shortly.

Why shortly vs. now?

[armlx]

Why do you do this?

Is this a real question? Darox has been fairly cryptic about his vote since he stopped voting you.

Can't believe charter is getting away again. All of his scumtells are no more opinion than having different timestamps meaning anything is. This whole game is based on opinions. The mod specifically said timestamps mean nothing. Why not lynch the scummiest player?

He even tried to dodge the entire claim in multiple ways. Lets not forget that.

[armlx]

I like how Cephrir's vote contradicts his wanting to test the time stamp issue.

[armlx]

armlx's lynch tests the theory just as well as sekinj's. I'd rather lynch the scummiest player, though.

No, it doesn't. Lynching myself + Panda tests the theory the mod is lying to us. Lynching Sekinj + neko tests the timestamp link to BM/CWR, which was NOT stated as necessarily false by the mod.

[armlx]

This is correct. However, he still votes charter for reasons of self-preservation.

Are you talking about me voting charter? I thought I explained that while I see merit in the sekinj connection, I think the net of charter's actions makes him more likely to be scum.

[armlx]

If townies and scum have distinctive timestamps, both have to be scum. If there's no indication, like the mod said, it doesn't matter for both. No, I don't see a difference.

Not necessarily. Sekinj could share a time stamp with BM as scum without SP/myself being scum.

[armlx]

This isn't a guilty until proven innocent game.

Actually, it is.

Also, DGB

Timestamps have no correlation with alignment.

[armlx]

And lynching you will prove or disprove that beyond a doubt. Besides, you're guilty because you haven't proven yourself innocent. See how dumb that is?

Its not that dumb. See, you are more guilty, and I've shown logically why.

Do you seriously start each game assuming everyone is innocent?

And again, to the first part, that's just dumb. The default assumption is NEVER that the mod is lying.

[armlx]

Do you seriously start each game assuming everyone is guilty?

I assume anyone can be at the start.

[armlx]

Where have I buddied up?

Whenever someone even comes close to agreeing with you, you get all excited and post more. Whenever someone attacks you, you OMGUS.

[armlx]

There's a line between buddying and basically calling someone unlynchable in a nightless game.

[armlx]

Nice "case" on us. All OMGUS bull shit and assuming the mod is lying.

[armlx]

I got nothing against a day talk posting.

The day talk we posted was pretty much what was said, minus a couple lines about planning how to get mislynches. It was real easy just to say pacman did nothing, as he really did.

This is why any sort of posting of specifics of outside information besides a base paraphrase without reference to specific numbering etc is dumb. Xtoxm's Polygamist had an ok rule, but its really hard to be subjectively right about the issue, though I guess the same applies for role PM's as well.

Congrats to Walt though for breaking the game. Once the mistake is made, it doesn't make the play afterwards any less good in context of the issue. Good catch on the SP "since" slip, it actually was a slip. I completely forgot about that post when doing the day talk summary.

I definitely had the chain of required lynches to win planned had we not been blown out by the time stamps. Starting after BM it was Charter -> DBE -> Darox -> Sekinj. That leaves an end game of WWB + RR, Crazy + KoC, and myself + SP, and the fact WWB doesn't trust Crazy as confirmed gives us a chance either way. The issue would have been getting the Darox lynch without coming out as scummy, as that would have been really hard except on that exact day, as both of the easy lynches were against me/SP some amount and Sekinj/Neko's vote would probably be
required to force it through without taking all the blame.