Reading up now, would anyone care to give me the gist of things, other than this massclaim plan?
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You can never be too pedantic in a Mafia game. as Adel (?) mentioned earlier on, it's pedanticism and nit-picking that grab those little slip-ups that un-mask scum. Calling someone too pedantic is basically saying "stop looking at my posts!"ThAdmiral wrote:Charter = too pedantic
I will change "the most vocal" to "person who the most people are paying attention to due to what she is saying".
And did it occur to you that, despite my faint niggle about Adel that I can't put down to anything but a minor dislike of town-leaders, Adel is actually making more sense than your annoying, worthless and frankly scummy one-liners?
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Also: what Adel wagon? It hit two votes at most so far today. Yesterday, it got a little bigger before the lynch, then shrank nearer to deadline, but it never looked like being a lynching wagon. Why would you feel the need to implya wagon that was never there, other than to defame those few who did vote Adel?-
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I never said you weren't. I said you were trying to use the two votes on Adel to create a wagon out of a toy car, and use said wagon as evidence against those two voters.I think you misunderstand me. I am a fan of adel.
And while you're right about paying close attention, it can also go the other way with making mountains out of molehills.-
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Precisely the point I was making.
Walt - when you do catch up, can you give us an LoS, or a top 3 suspects? would be nice to know who you're thinking about.
Um, so what if everyone wants to claim? You don't necessarily have to - indeed, if Darla is on L/A, why not wait until you can talk it over with her, and decide whether or not to claim each other? If you really didn't want to claim lover, you could easily have just not done so - with the recent proliferation of claims, you'd probably be outed anyway, assuming no-one is lying.*sigh* I guess if everybody wants to claim...
my lover is darla. (She has dazzling eyes by the way)
she's on L/A but says she'll do a big post when she gets back.-
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True, but our Mafia pairs know who each other are, and so could swap Lovers.Harvey Pew wrote:
There won't be any lying. There is no possible benefit to mis-claiming for the town.Knight of Cydonia wrote:With the recent proliferation of claims, you'd probably be outed anyway, assuming no-one is lying.
I can't see the point, but it's possible.-
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Also (apologies for double posting) but Adel's town-steering doesn't exactly engender confidence in me (although it's more a mixture of gut, the minor flip-flop which can be explained - but so can a lot of scum tells - and a bone-deep mistrust of anyone who leads the town), and coupled with pwnz, who has been... interesting, shall we say? It's not a coupling I'd be happy with late game.-
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I'm not saying he's scummy in any way, other than the fact he's been unhelpful. That's an anti-town play, sure, but it might not necessarily be scum-tell. It just makes me a little wary - it almost looks as if Adel has been deliberately trying to distance from pwnz, which could be part of why she was initially against the mass-claim. Town-lovers should have no reason to distance from each other, claim or no claim, so... it's interesting.-
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I'm thinking ThAdmiral Scum could maybe have swapped lovers with the other Mafia pair, although I can't imagine why. I'm not accusing on that point, I'd merely be happier to see DBE confirm when her L/A is over.
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Out of all those currently not participating, I want you to get out here and explain everything, please.-
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Yes it does. Also, do you want to put a case with that, or chalk it up to OMGUS?pwnz wrote:Me wrote: *sigh* I feel sorry for Adel.Vote: Knight of Cydonia
I feel sorry for you, because now you're TOTALLY GONNA DIE LOLZOR!!
But in all seriousness, I'm still at work, kloud, so hopefully I will get some time tonight to address your suspicions.
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So, according to OF, Crazy and I are scum because Crazy agrees with Adel, and wanted Adel to help get you lynched. Which is a sly way of implicating Adel as well.
Now, I'm bowing to lover ^ boy here on this, I don't like Adel and pwnz much, for town-leading and annoyingness/anti-town respectively, but to me it looks like you're trying to leap onto a wagon that's already stopped, OF.
Also, that bolded section isn't a contradiction, OF.
I think Crazy was trying to say: "This is why I'm voting for OF, Adel has her own reasons, which she should probably explain." I might be wrong there, but that's how I read it.-
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I read back, and it's all good.sekinj's case on cerebus wrote: Post 1: votes crazy, goes after him about the adel scumtell thing
Post 3: unvotes crazy, says he misread
Post 5: says ice is townie, votes crazy again
Post 9: “Crazy is so full of shit right now I fear for the next toilet that he encounters.”
Post 15: dilemma about crazy knowing/not knowing the scum tell
Post 16: votes fire
Post 17: says he agrees with ice
Post 18: unvotes fire
Post 20: “I think the firestarter/IcemanE lynch is the right move”
(Then on Day 2 Cerebus has spent his time trying to defend his D1 posts)
It is just amazing to me how much cere’s opinion change from post to post. Look especially at his voting patterns. Also, in this huge game he has made a total of 29 posts. Talk about active lurking. He seems to only come back to place a vote, a vote that is opposite of where ever he was previously.-
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[quote="cerebus]cerebus wrote: IcemanE is fitting with my townie read on him I have at the moment. Still tentative though.
I dont think crazy knows what the scum tell is. If there even is one, this game is open, so town have no information the scum don't.
vote: crazy
I read through, but I don't really have much to say.
I think the firestarter/IcemanE lynch is the right move.
Darla putting IcemanE at L-1 while conversation is still going strong is noted.
I see what erratus is saying about Alabaska.
Anything else I forgot about that people want me to comment on?
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Flip-flop.
And I did skim, but you're right. I asume sekinj mis-numbered, unless it was deliberate fabrication... explain, sekinj, or I'm looking really hard at you. I think Cerebus is a wolf, and I wouldn't put it past sekinj and adel to be mafia now going by this incredible bit of bullcrap, which instantly makes me think - LAL.-
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EBWOP:
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I read through, but I don't really have much to say.
I think the firestarter/IcemanE lynch is the right move.
Darla putting IcemanE at L-1 while conversation is still going strong is noted.
I see what erratus is saying about Alabaska.
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Vote: HP
Still scummiest, IMHO, and I'm not happy that kloud was lynched. after HP and cere, I'd be more than happy to look at the last couple of votes on kloud, as they don't look like much more than "me too" mentality. Also: sekinj, are you going to explain that apparent fabrication of evidence? because while the rest was sound, LAL, y'know?-
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Also: HP, please, for hte love of God, if you are town (which I highly doubt) post a decent defence, or at least accuse someone else rather turtling. You're being so overly defensive it's hard to imagine you as anything but scum right now.
Also:FoS: BMfor complete and utter failure to present any case whatsoever with his Vote on my sweetheart. Explain.-
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Well, I'm obviously not happy that we lynched town, but to be honest, I think the lynch was more based on null-tells, and that there were far more scummy pairs, cerebus and HP being the main one, that would have been far better lynch candidates.
Also, this rather bugs me:
I don't doubt you're manipulating the lynches - it seems incredible, but as soon as Adel's vote went on kloud, the kloud wagon gained support and overtook the cerebus wagon. There is a point where town leaders become dangerous and misleading, especially when I find them as unexplainablyAdel(Paraphrased) wrote: I'm manipulating the lynches to give me more to go on in later days.nrrrghas Adel.
The fact Pwnz has been playing lurker scum ever since attention dropped off him annoys me as well - it's almost a perfect scum-pair of contrasts: one loud, vocal, leader scum, and another who remains quiet and stays in the background.-
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You had a choice, as scum: you could either both vote kloud, and make sure his wagon over took yours, or you could lurk and appeal to emotion, and hope people forget about you and are swayed by a bunch of null-tells dressed up as scum-tells.
Of course, being under such pressure already, you knew you couldn't resort to option 1, simply because it would be interpreted as what it was - scum pushing any wagon other than their own - and when kloud/Alabaska flipped town, you would have been up for the next lynch in short order.
So you settled for option 2, which came with it's own caveats - firstly, that a good few players would note that you were keeping low towards the end, and that you were appealing to emotion more than anything else. And, of course, the fact that however much it might be an improvement over you pushing the wagon personally, when kloud and ala flipped town, you would still be top of many people's lists.
So yes, I'd say that for you, it was an obvious choice between personally pushing the wagon, or laying low and hoping it would grow quickly enough of it's own accord.-
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The issue isn't whether or not Crazy and I are confirmed town or not: the issue is the fact that after an incredibly scummy D2, HP has continued to post meaningless appeals to emotion and cases based on vague, random, meaningless "quotes".
That's a hell of a bigger scum-tell than Crazy being a bit stupid.-
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Actually, I'd say it's charter + lover(soon enough) jumping on the HP + cerebus(soon, I expect) hopeful wagon on me and Crazy. I smell something lupine in the air.
I don't feel the need to defend us against completely unfounded accusations, based on a pile of appeals to emotion and accusations founded on something which has been explained pretty bloody well and dismissed D1. Basing a case on that scum-tell is more scummy, IMHO - it looks as if you're trying to dig up any old wagon in an act of desperate self-preservation.-
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Yes, BM, I do trust Crazy. I also agree with Crazy, and would put my preferred lynch-list something like this:
ThAd/DBE - picked something of ThAd's up towards the end of yesterday:
Wow, could this have been more obvious?ThAdmiral wrote: I have the feeling the mafia will be able to easily avoid being lynched via the three way tie.
we'll see though.
cerebus/HP (a VERY close second - both these top two should be lynched, IMHO)
OF/Darox (lingering suspicions from D1 +2 on OF, and a woozy forboding feeling in my gut about Darox)
Erratus/BM - I spotted this, also late D2 -
You voted Cerebus because you had a null-read on him? Why? Why didn't you put your vote somewhere else, even if only to state that you didn't agree with either lynch? That earns you a spot on... THE LIST.BM wrote: It's probably too late, but i'll Vote: Cerebus based on the fact that Kloud and Dybeck give me a mild townie vibe, while Cerebus is pretty neutral. It's really all i can call between them without reading their partners.-
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Okay, seriously, either provide some decent evidence for this vendetta, or shut up. We're town, I don't know what you are, but you're doing yourself no favours by attacking a pair of townies so relentlessly.Battle Mage wrote:
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He's confirmed town.Now can somebody tell me why Crazy isn't dead yet? 0.o
No, really. This isn't the time for joking around now buddy. Does anyone have anything relevant to add before we string him up?
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Does anyone remember a post Adel made a while back about those tiny slips that give scum away? Yeah? See this.Darox wrote:
I can't account for Raging Rabbits voting habits.
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Adel - you always manage to be the L-3/4 vote on a lynch. People follow you to teh lynch, IME. You express a strong opinion every time you vote, I would hope - if you don't strongly believe someone to be scum, don't vote them.
I think I did answer them, but I'll do it again, since you seem determined to never read more than the last 5 posts.
I like the can of worms I've opened though. I think there's some scum in there. RR, maybe. Adel, unlikely, but IGMEOY. Walt Wishbone... that's a lot of aggro.-
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