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[NorwegianboyEE]

pedit: won't be suprised if that's scum^

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey Dkkoba, Nero.

[NorwegianboyEE]

also why haven't anyone said hi to me

Maybe they just haven't turbo tunneled you, and you them, in previous games and gradually built up an friendship yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

pedit: won't be suprised if that's scum^

Why?

it's not srs but in serious terms it would come off as like hey I'm gonna place my vote here and coast tf out of this game till tonight. so don't give me attention till I'm back

That post was just Wake being Wake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

pedit: won't be suprised if that's scum^

Why?

it's not srs but in serious terms it would come off as like hey I'm gonna place my vote here and coast tf out of this game till tonight. so don't give me attention till I'm back

Or it's a strictly nocturnal night nurse going to bed right now?

I literally said it wasn't serious relaxation

Nope, you've ruined RVS. Prepare to be tunneled.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Kyouko can you give me a blue hair version of that avatar.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Uhh if it stayed pixelated after I saved it and I can just do the colors and paint dump, yeah. I've seen paint make it not pixelated anymore after you save and blend the colors though, in which case this took like an hour to make and idk if I feel like doing that

FINE

[NorwegianboyEE]

Neat.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We must kill all those who have not been assimilated by the hive mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Titus

O N E O F U S

O N E O F U S

O N E O F U S

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hello, Chad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You must become one of us Dkkoba.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know what Qt is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you're simping.
Over an avatar no less.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh my god Andres is scum.
VOTE: Andresvmb

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Koba are you Town? If you are, we can actually partner up for once.

Cringe.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I had to do this. The name is just asking for a vote.

Convoluted expression.

@Koba are you Town? If you are, we can actually partner up for once.

weird thing to ask and you know why

I have to ask. I don’t want to have to fight you.

Fine, you’ll have to figure out my alignment over time then, and I will have to figure out yours. You really could have just told me you know.

1: Scared of Koba.
2: "You figure out my alignment i'll figure out yours" (as expressed by no town ever in the history of mankind)

VOTE: Andres
This feels right

Also I was recently called a nerd so the opposite is soothing ty

This is just gambler’s fallacy affecting your worldview. You should abandon it now.

What the fuck? Also cringe.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I had to do this. The name is just asking for a vote.

I'm a one shot town alligned compulsive triggered publishing rolecop where my trigger is when I die ur role gets revealed to everyone

I don’t get mad

in general

with any one player fake claiming - I get annoyed when it is done poorly, for no benefit to the Town, at a random time. If done properly, it can have massive positive impact. Just in general.

Lamist

The only read I can currently express is that I have a mild positive Lean on Hakai. That’s it.

Scared to commit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norway, is your case on Andre srs?

Yes.
I’ve already solved 1/4th of the game.
Go vote him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Didn’t see much of the supposed interactions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why post a reads list when you say dunno that many times ugh

Dunno

[NorwegianboyEE]

This sounds like a title nomination more than a vote.

You made me smirk you little rascal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Okay you die now

Dwlee town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean ya, you did start calling me town later on but you WERE calling me scum early game.

Cheesus christ Nero.
Don’t you have better things to do than rant about this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm gunna OMGUS now.

VOTE: Dwlee

You were the type of player that OMGUS?
Kinda sus tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

LickeyQ, I think the reason why Dweelee the Intimidator is complaining at you is because you made a readlist with too many N/A spots.

I know. That's exactly what I've been saying.

Dwlee's read on me boils down to exactly that. I had too many nulls in my RL. IDK what Dwlee is expecting there. Are they thinking I shouldn't be making a RL at that point in the game? That's NOT what is being expressed. I could see if that was the reason why Dwlee was SRing me. I did that RL for a reason which I will not give at this point, but I did it for a reason. I think Dwlee has somehow latched onto the fact I made a strategic post and is SRing me for it. But I did it because I'm Town and am not going to talk about my reason for it more at this time.

Hmmm. Ok, you’ll be let off for now.
But i got two and my third eye on you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do you know there are 4 scum? *eyes narrow, grips katana and tips fedora*

I created you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am god.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have lost track of the game.

NorvvegianboyEE, please tell me your current thoughts.

Andres scumbutt

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, Koba/Dwlee town.
Andres FOS on Koba bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Read to me like a scared rabbit puffing their hairs.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That post was just Wake being Wake.

Hey now that feels like a dig for no good reason.

I'm strictly nocturnal so yeah It gonna be sleeping during the day.

Thinking that was just a dig but could be a subtle attempt to throw shade, maybe.

What…?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Koba I think your POE is ass and you could be Scum. Fight me?

this rebuttal is about as potent as a wet badger

minus your own name, explain why it sucks.

Why is Ranny Town? Or Titus? And how is A50’s content conclusive either way? You TR Titus but think I need to be in the POE? How have you decided on Norwegian’s alignment?

Your POE is bad right now. At the very least it seems to have been set way too early.

This post isn't bad.

its not good at all because its trying to discredit townreads rather than try to find them as town.

Mmm I dont think this is the case. There's not really anything there

to

discredit, and you're also asking him to explain why it sucks so for you to say the response is bad feels like scum-motivated entrapment. You literally asked him to do it.

VOTE: Koba

ah yes scum motivated entrapment where I later even don't push people to vote there.

very smart yes.

go sit in the corner with quick and dwlee

Mislims arent the only thing scum are looking for. Offering the advice on playing larges via finding a town poe, and stuffing the call-out on your own poe, reads to me like scum looking to establish themselves within a townblock.

The wording used in the pushback on Andres felt very specifically geared towards that agenda, so it feels too coincidental to be town.

SSBM your push on Koba is bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum bad

[NorwegianboyEE]

kyouko it isnt a good look when you accuse me, are posting in thread while i respond to you and then dip without responding back

just saying !~~

You (should) know I finish catching up, so hyper posting while I catch up is just a tactic here, or you dont know me as well as you think you do.

Sadface

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: kyouko

surprised_pikachu

Your reaction here feels very scum!centric

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andres/SSBM scum.
I’ve solved 2/4th of the game already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, what is your read on me?

You’re ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I meant it was just Wake being Wake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, Koba/Dwlee town.
Andres FOS on Koba bad.

You seem like you're juggling with your head.

I do not understand your weird East Coast mumbo Jumbo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I meant it was just Wake being Wake.

Nah don't be shy.

Go ahead and explain what you meant.

I do not like explaining simple things a five year old could understand.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s funny to me the escalation you show in response to me not answering an very pointless question.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was saying Quick’s reasoning for thinking: "they won’t be surprised if you flip scum" isn’t accurate.

I’m not thinking it’s scum indicative for you to get hooked up on this, but it does make me think you be cray z

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was saying Quick’s reasoning for thinking: "they won’t be surprised if you flip scum" isn’t accurate.

I’m not thinking it’s scum indicative for you to get hooked up on this, but it does make me think you be cray z

I have not clue what you are referring to.

Ops, it was GrandpaMo

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m also not townreading Nero right now.

It’s not an: "holy shit, kill them ASAP" read. But it’s an: "dude, where’s the town at?" read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do have reads on more slots than i’m letting on, but i don’t want to share them because that makes me less predictable for scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wish i could see more of your scumplay.
You’re like always town except in that one game where you hardbussed your teammate in the first 5 pages and then went on to sweep solo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, which one is this for?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me winning a previous game as scum by hardbussing both of my lacking teammates and winning solo was directly correlated by me being so impressed by Kobas play i copied it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, i’m rambling.

I’m fine with an wagon on either of Andres/SSB

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still prefer Andres.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There are always players that haven’t posted yet.
Should we do nothing because one lurker isn’t going to log on for 5 weeks?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But c’mon Koba you know better. I’m not seeing the reasons for your reads of certain players at all because they’re leaving lazy votes on my slot and I’m Town. Norwegian and Titus just decided to make crappy early arguments and double down on them, but you TR that? What will happen when I flip Town then? Will you wake up or continue pushing DW or LQ aside who I would argue at this point are quite likely to be Town.

Why you trying to go around me by doing this manipulation on Koba instead of facing it head on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But c’mon Koba you know better. I’m not seeing the reasons for your reads of certain players at all because they’re leaving lazy votes on my slot and I’m Town. Norwegian and Titus just decided to make crappy early arguments and double down on them, but you TR that? What will happen when I flip Town then? Will you wake up or continue pushing DW or LQ aside who I would argue at this point are quite likely to be Town.

Why you trying to go around me by doing this manipulation on Koba instead of facing it head on.

Your read of me is horrendous. What is there for me to face head on exactly? You’re either piling on as Scum or being shit Town.

How am i piling on as scum when i was the first one to vote you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait, Dwlee did too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In my memories i voted Andres first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why that matter?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is your read on SSB Andres. Do you scumread them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Could be scum" is garbage reasoning. And i have especially distinct disdain for it because it how i get mislimmed in games.

This is a reach. I’m not arguing A50 is Scum! I’m arguing A50 is just null, and shouldn’t be hard locked as Town!

Maybe the background behind what I’m doing isn’t clear. Two players have already sheeped your read of Kyouko. You could very well be right. I really don’t know. What I do know could very well happen is that certain players get lazy, and they decide that they can replace their need to think with your reads. And then they just run through your POE and, if for some reason some of the names you’ve left out are Scum, or several of the ones you’ve included are Town, we lose. Because people listen to you, and most Town players are just that, lazy.

If you’re Scum well I don’t know if you would use your ability to read a particular player to your advantage quite like this. But you are wrong about me, and I am one of the leading wagons. So maybe rethink where I’m coming from.

Hm this read feels real.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is your read on SSB Andres. Do you scumread them?

Here’s my take - the reason I haven’t defended Kyouko aggressively despite seriously questioning Koba is because if I’m wrong about Koba (and I can be - Koba is notoriously hard to read) is because Kyouko admitted that Koba has their number, and yet they’re not screaming

hard

to get Koba executed. There’s not a whole lot of outrage in 461 or 480 for example. Just some surprise, a rather meek admission that Koba does have Kyouko’s number, and some strategic discussion about how Koba might go about using their 100% read rate to their advantage as Scum.

I am comfortable applying the burden of proficiency standard to a select

few

players. The number is small, and since I haven’t played here enough most of those players are in the old forum I used to play in. Koba is in that list. I have a feeling Kyouko agrees that the standard should apply to Koba too. If that’s indeed the case, then why aren’t they more outraged that Koba is reading them wrong and hard dunking on them? And why are they letting me take all the heat here? I’ve been in games with players I know can easily tell when I’m Town. I know how that feels like. And when they’re hedging on my slot (and I’m acting like my usual Town self), or even worse, calling me Scum, I obviously get suspicious. I’m always skeptical even if you have me right, but with some players it becomes more obvious when they should be reading you correctly but aren’t.

At the same time, I have seen Koba get some things wrong (of course, none of us are perfect). But after screaming this loud for an execution? I think that’s maybe a bit rare. If we flip Kyouko, and they flip Scum, Koba is going to get NK’ed and well, that’ll be that. But if they’re wrong? Then what? That’s going to be hard. What I’ve done in the past in situations like this is advocated for the “1v1” to get sorted, and go from there. I don’t know that I’m the one who should be making this argument. But I think it should be considered.

And this.

Matbe just Kyouko is scum here.

VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like the use of the term cowardly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not that i agree at all, but it’s amusing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's cowardly to vote an inactive slot when you think a bunch of active slots have town told? Okay

I wouldn't call it cowardly. I would call it foolish to vote someone who hasn't spoken up yet.
If someone hasn't spoken yet, then what will voting them do? They haven't been active yet, so why vote them? You have literally nothing to base it on, as irregardless of alignment, some players will just be more inactive than others.

You just said you think most scum are in the lurkers. Why are you now criticizing someone for voting lurkers?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nobody is solving here on my watch.
Only fluff and memes please.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your posts are only bare-bone to me. WHERE is your reasons for having them there? WHY do you keep just posting real brief sentences? I want to know why YOU are keeping it so brief and cagey. I feel like you're holding back, and it's tripping my gut.

Oh my goood, nobody cares.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee!town, idk about read accuracy, but he said it very convincingly

My reads are shit but i say them very convincingly.
That’s my secret.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This Dwlee push is bad and you should feel bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unlike everyone else amirite.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That includes me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just vote SSB.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can’t be that difficult.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah. I’m sure the 2002 mafia games are peak undegraded mafia LOL.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah. I’m sure the 2002 mafia games are peak undegraded mafia LOL.

2002 mafia was everyone posting 2 posts and then someone dying I think lol

That’s the joke!

[NorwegianboyEE]

We need to go back to everyone voting without even a comment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And 5 page full games.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can make award-winning speeches. But i’m not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee what is the meaning behind your username?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not to be mean or anything, but sometimes i call you Dweeb in my head.
Your nerdy looking avatar kinda cements that image.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looking over NorwEE's ISO, I could use it as pillow stuffing with how fluffy and airy it is.
Either that or he was being serious when he said:

Spoiler: Try avoiding these evidinces that edivince in an evedentshal way

I am god.

Read to me like a scared rabbit puffing their hairs.

Scum bad

kyouko it isnt a good look when you accuse me, are posting in thread while i respond to you and then dip without responding back

just saying !~~

You (should) know I finish catching up, so hyper posting while I catch up is just a tactic here, or you dont know me as well as you think you do.

Sadface

Now, I know players like to add little pithy jokes to their play, otherwise they would just be screaming at other players 24/7, but this is all fluff stuff. And when NorwEE does make actual statements, they are rather airy and dry. Like these!

Spoiler: A i r a t e d a n d d r y

I meant it was just Wake being Wake.

Nah don't be shy.

Go ahead and explain what you meant.

I do not like explaining simple things a five year old could understand.

I wish i could see more of your scumplay.
You’re like always town except in that one game where you hardbussed your teammate in the first 5 pages and then went on to sweep solo.

Anyway, i’m rambling.

I’m fine with an wagon on either of Andres/SSB

But c’mon Koba you know better. I’m not seeing the reasons for your reads of certain players at all because they’re leaving lazy votes on my slot and I’m Town. Norwegian and Titus just decided to make crappy early arguments and double down on them, but you TR that? What will happen when I flip Town then? Will you wake up or continue pushing DW or LQ aside who I would argue at this point are quite likely to be Town.

Why you trying to go around me by doing this manipulation on Koba instead of facing it head on.

This Dwlee push is bad and you should feel bad.

This is all a roundabout way of saying that NorwEE is not worth listening to until they improve their play a bit.

Wtf is this? An attempt to shade me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're telling people it's not worth listening to me when i'm pushing my scumread.
This makes me wonder if you're SSB's teammate and trying to belittle me by making sure everyone thinks "i'm not worth listening to".

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright. GrandpaMo looks Town enough for me now.

based

Are you calling me a crack addict? Eccentric? Or just being myself?

Why not all at once.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're telling people it's not worth listening to me when i'm pushing my scumread.
This makes me wonder if you're SSB's teammate and trying to belittle me by making sure everyone thinks "i'm not worth listening to".

I think you're a valuable player as town - you've created your share of decent PoEs in the past

Lately i've had an tendency of calling out scum, but when they've got an wagon on them and make a couple townie sounding posts i'm like: "hmm, maybe they are just town" and vote for some town counterwagon instead and look really stupid once they flip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope i didn't jinx myself with Andres here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

SSB why you just gone?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t care if they V/LA.
Still active outside of this game.
Which increases the "caught scum" vibe i’m getting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No no. You all get 100 towncred.

Scum please buss him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

(So we can kill him faster)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops it’s an she. My b

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn't mind if NorwEE spoke to me using their native tounge's pronouns.

I wouldn’t mind typing in Norwegian all day but it’s not allowed for some reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn’t mind typing in Norwegian all day but it’s not allowed for some reason.

Fordi ingen vil forstå (det)

Du har absolutt rett.

Using another langue for conversations, breaks cryptography rule.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ill speak in polish

fuck it, tower of babel game now

You’re Polish?
Damn, all the Polish people i’ve met are total badasses.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Elitell bad here probably

I'm pretty sure they've read these last pages. Yet chose to not make any posts or comment.

What do you think that tells us?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In other words, pierdol się w pierdol się

Anyway, what makes you think they read the previous few pages NorwEE?

Because i saw them online in the users list and they were posting in other games on the site.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Until SSB posts i’m going to keep voting him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Elitell bad here probably

I'm pretty sure they've read these last pages. Yet chose to not make any posts or comment.

What do you think that tells us?

Or she only had enough time for one thing cause VLA

I also feel like they avoided Dkkoba earlier and went inactive after they began scumreading them.
By itself the inactivity is not an issue, but when connecting the dots with previous events is where it starts to look suspicious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can we stop this shitty wagon on town!Dwlee and many sus slots defending scum!SSBM for dumb reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[NorwegianboyEE]

KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee, wanna go through what I laid down and let me know where you agree/disagree?

I don't hate anything you said.
I'll take it to heart until i inevitably forget it and start tunneling on a town slot in day 3 that you said was town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Loftwing's stance on SSB has given me bad vibes so i'm pushing there when SSB flips scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is all a roundabout way of saying that NorwEE is not worth listening to until they improve their play a bit.

Also this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

more detailed pls i wanna dialogue and help the list shrink or even grow in spots it should so we dont have blind spots

My list only grows or shrinks when i have live interactions with slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me and Nero Cain share a common trait. Who can guess what it is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can we stop this shitty wagon on town!Dwlee and many sus slots defending scum!SSBM for dumb reasons.

I do not vibe with this. I don’t think Norwee has enough towncred to make demands like this.

But prove me wrong. Why should we wagon Kyo, aside from Koba’s intuition for meta? I can’t read her by myself since all she’s done is talk about catching up, followed by a whole lot of not catching up. I just don’t like to vote based on someone else’s vibes unless I have nothing better to go on.

Then how about i bring up why voting Dwlee is an mistake because he is town and we're supposed to vote mafia, not town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If the rest of the town aren't good enough to catch scum by their tone and need more hard proof then the only other alternative is to prove why the other slots on the table are townier than the slot in question. This is especially useful, given that SSB is not currently present in the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

First of all, the point that: "Dwlee voted an slot that hasn't posted yet and that is cowardly" is a bad point because it's not even something that scum typically do in the first place, except maybe newb!scum that are afraid to ruffle people's feathers. But Dwlee is not newbscum, he is quite skilled at the game and both allignments.
Ask yourself, why would mafia vote an inactive slot? Mafia play to mislim town, and that means typically sheeping someone that has a better case or placing their vote on an already building wagon, or just lurking and trying to not put any attention on themselves. What Dwlee did fits neither of these traits.
MargotRosa also wasn't an wagon to begin with and nobody paid them any attention. It doesn't make much sense from an scum!POV.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It is much more likely that Dwlee voted Margot to provoke an reaction from Margot or the rest of the game and make it easier to read one of the slots that are in his PoE.

So either Dwlee is very good at faking an townie thought process or he is literally just town. Either way, a lot townier than many other slots on the table and that is why the big wagon on him is really bad because there are many slots that are so much more suspicious than for us to consider removing Dwlee now. As evidence points to him being town rather than scum, and even if he is scum then we're literally catching him for the wrong reasons because there is nothing scummy there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let me put the question to you now Ranny.
What has SSB done that is towny? And is that town indicative evidence (if present at all), solid enough evidence to declare that Dwlee is an higher priority lim than them right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

These are all conjunctions and whati-ifs from Loftwing and Ranny.

Sure it is possible that Dwlee is scum here. But by probablity it is an much lower chance than the mafia being someone else.
So yes, Dwlee could in theory have masterfully town!told as scum and is fooling us. But the possibility of that is much lower than the much more higher probability of scum being in the much more scummy slots.
Which is why it is the correct play to call out this Dwlee wagon as bad and lead us to an lim that is much better for town and that i believe flips scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like they are struggling, either from insistence and wanting to believe they are right, or an defense of their partner. To continue calling Dwlee scum here despite the evidence pointing towards the contrary.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If me and Koba are both town we're an very high threat to the scum team just saying Loftwing, so if you're town here you'd be better off just assuming we're town until one of us inevitably get's NK'ed or we eliminate scum back to back.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who do you think has a better chance at solving the game? The chad Dk fucking koba up front and center or the virgin hiding behind the closet SSB.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If me and Koba are both town we're an very high threat to the scum team just saying Loftwing, so if you're town here you'd be better off just assuming we're town until one of us inevitably get's NK'ed or we eliminate scum back to back.

You sure are eager to get pocketed by Koba.

Townread on Ranny plummeting after this comment right here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe I’m using pocketed wrong. I meant that Norwee seems to especially want Koba’s trust.

That is an completely different meaning.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you saying that i am pocketing Koba?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Go ahead Ranny, i am eagerly awaiting your explanation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You've now said three different things.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwEE, you seem to be trying especially hard to strongarm the town here.

Don't like this comment, but what else is new.

I don't like SSB and Ranny+Loftwing on the Dwlee wagon.
Rest of the Dwlee wagon i think is ok, i don't have an issue with Wake or Quick.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pocketed means a town slot that is townreading and putting their trust in a slot that is mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Ranny didn't mean what they said in post 883 then i am back to thinking they are town.
So my most sus slots at the moment are SSB+Loftwing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Of course you don't like it. That is obvious NorwEE. It's critical of your play, and it paints you in a negative light.

No, it's an cheap way to discredit a town player that takes the initiative.
Like a mafia that is taking things easy just points their finger and says: "he is trying so sus" while they go back to lurking and doing fuckall while town implodes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't feel like you're really trying to solve my slot here, but just trying to paint my play in an negative light. As you literally pointed out yourself, and thus my reaction is that i think you're scummy because you're just taking pot shots instead of making constructive arguments about why i am doing things the way i do from an scum mindset rather than an town mindset.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There is a big difference between genuine paranoia that i could be deepwolfing scum and trying to convince the town that i am an untrustworthy slot because it's the conclusion you want the town to come to.
And i feel like your comment came from the mindset of the latter. Which is an scum mindset to have.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Loftwing obvs

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwEE, you seem to be trying especially hard to strongarm the town here.

This comment right here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If the axe is a scum player than i am the best player on this table. Town are supposed to kill mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To say that killing mafia is not caring about the game, now that is funny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've also defended a townread from being eliminated.

Do i need to point out more that shows how completely bad faith your posts are?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If this is about playstyle issues you have with me then i suggest you take a step back and accept that not everyone solves or plays a game of mafia the way that you do. And it doesn't imply ill intent.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can spend all day dismantling your bullshit, do you really want to go through with it Loftwing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You sure care a lot about the fate of an slot that you nullread.
Your actions would probably be more believable if you said you townread them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If there is an bigger chance than 50% that Kyouko could be scum, why do you find it so troubling that we're pushing for their death? This is an day 1 elimination that should be very informative. If we are scum then he should flip town and we will look bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We're crushing dissent alright.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well have fun y'all, i'll be back once something more interesting happens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know whether or not you two are T/S or S/S, but I am very sure that at least one of you two are scum, and have either pocketed the other, or are working together to grab the game by the tail and drag it along to wherever you want it to go.

I find this take to be pretty strange.
Why are you assuming there has to be scum in us and ignoring the possibility of T+T?
Either you’re just bad at mafia for ignoring the possibility or you have an agenda in wanting one of us or both limmed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, more information about the way you analyze the game and read slots is needed.
I’d like that reads list.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve already said that i’m voting Kyouko until they post.
I think their shitty reaction to pressure from Koba and subsequent flaking from the game was extremely scum indicative. If they return and make town posts i’ll change my mind, but if nothing has happened to change my scumread of the slot i don’t see why it should.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Neither you nor NorwEE have answered yet, despite it being a simple question to answer. Do you not have an answer, do you not want to answer, or did you just not see fit to answer it?

Anyone that reads back on the game and exhibits more than level zero thinking can see that both me and Koba have explained our reasoning. To claim that because one of us doesn’t answer the same question repeatedly, that there is nothing there. Looks really bad on the person that makes the accusation because it’s an obvious lie that can be traced back on to them and shows them as an liar that cannot make any arguments in good faith without trying to lie about past events in order to gain future influence.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It is ironic that you tried to silence me earlier when your own arguments have as many holes, and is as faulty as this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did you assume that I assumed that T/T NorwEE Koba [claim] was wrong, instead of dismissing that for reasons?

Because you haven’t shown your thought progression in regards to that at all, so from the perspective of others it’s hard to confirm whether that mindset from you is even real or something you are claiming to have had afterwards.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you didn’t explain how you came to the conclusion that town!Norwee and town!Koba are not likely, why should i believe it was something you actually considered?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i’m asking you right now Loftwing.
How did you reach that conclusion?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can always trust Quick to come in with the wrong conclusions and generally wtf takes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who is Roden?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Roden is you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you are trying to deduce if you are yourself scum.

Fascinating.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you communicating with someone outside of this game and having them help you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Subject: Forum Rules and Guidelines

[*]Do not talk outside the game thread about an ongoing game except where explicitly allowed to do so by your role/moderator.

[NorwegianboyEE]

All town in this guys strongest scumreads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still prefer voting SSB as i think SSB scumflip says slightly more about Loftwings alignment than Loftwing scumflip says about SSB.
Even if i am close to thinking they are mutually inclusive at this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You make a lot of sense A50. I can certainly see the townbeard angle.
That's also part of the reason why i still prefer voting SSB.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think he ever made the claim that there's no case on SSBM. I asked b/c I was skimming and didn't really get it and all I got was "does anyone read?" If you want to make the argument that I shouldn't have asked that and just waited till I had a chance to go back and reread the koba/ssbm back and forth then fine but he's not incorrect when he says that my q wasn't answered.

Since when did you become an pedantics freak rather than just voting scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum make posts and Dwlee just made a post. Oh my gaaah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good afternoon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now that is rude.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Valid, lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How sustainable do you think it is for theoretical scum!Kooba to take charge and lead us through mislims in a large, without getting any suspicion for it?
They’d get 2 mislims max before getting vigged/copped or just eliminated.
It’s not what scum does. Loftwings points is, and will continue to be garbage. Now it is perfectly possible that Loftwing is town and genuinely believes what he is saying, but his points are absolutely not valid.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, we’re such bad players. Truly you are special and unique to be able to catch us.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We literally fooled everyone except for high iq Jake over here, he saw through our bad and poorly planned scumplay. Oh man, what a guy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My POV is the only valid POV.
You got that right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Show me how many games have 3 super active scum taking charge from the start and all townreading each other, as opposed to games where scum is mostly lurking or taking a backstage approach.

I guarantee you the percentage is like 2% / 98% skewed in favor of scum being mostly afk or not doing any solving.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jake's clown take is that in this game me and Koba both managed to completely abandon our meta of being much less active when scum and both just settled on to an shitty strategy of hardpushing an lurker slot.
I don't see this happening even in an world where me and Koba are both scum. (Which is decidedly not the case)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think the best role for me to have right now would be masonizer. Then i can target Jake and either confirm/disprove him town and with the added bonus of getting a platform to scream in his face.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please do not continue referring to me as Jake from here on out.

Got it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When have you ever been correct on a read? Because last game i had with you, you were completely wrong about everything. And didn't call out any of the lurking scum. Preferring to call the town leaders and obvtown slots for scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It makes me think this isn't anything new for you, you're incapable of learning why your reads are so bad.
Because now you're back at it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're calling out the minor possibility that all of the active players are scum rather than taking a look at the slots that aren't garnering enough attention, when it's an well known fact that recent scum meta on this site is to try to not garner too much attention and to have uncontroversial reads. Which makes me think your slot is more town ironically enough, because your reads are so extremely controversial.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm fine with waiting a bit to see if they come back strong or keep up what we saw prior to their V/LA.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Show me how many games have 3 super active scum taking charge from the start and all townreading each other, as opposed to games where scum is mostly lurking or taking a backstage approach.

I guarantee you the percentage is like 2% / 98% skewed in favor of scum being mostly afk or not doing any solving.

There's even a name for it and articles written about it. It's called power wolfing.

Sure thing.
Did i say it didn't exist? No.
I'm saying it is very unlikely.
And i think both Dwlee and Dkkoba have played townie and are solidly within their town range.
If for some reason we have 5 back to back miseliminations and both of Dkkoba/Dwlee are alive i'd probably be very suspicious of them if still alive at that point. But when we're in day 1 i don't see why anyone should seriously argue in favour of shooting ourselves in the foot and eliminating an active and proactive voice that would be very useful for the town to have if they are town and leave the scummy and inactive slots to continue to fester.
If Dkkoba or Dwlee had played scummy or in a way i'd consider suspicious i'd be all for considering an elimination on them today. But they haven't.
If mafia has wits about them they will eventually shoot town!Dkkoba and town!Dwlee at some point, therefore solving the slots in question before we even need to consider if they could be scum. Because if they live for very long and continue to not find scum then they will look very suspicious by burden of proficiency.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not that hard to make the correct play people.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianboyEE who am I voting for? Baaaaaa!

I'd rather like to see your current thoughts if possible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If mafia has wits about them they will eventually shoot town!Dkkoba and town!Dwlee at some point, therefore solving the slots in question before we even need to consider if they could be scum. Because if they live for very long and continue to not find scum then they will look very suspicious by burden of proficiency.

Isn't that a logical fallacy? Couldn't they be town and be unlucky at finding scum?

Yes. But in this context i am arguing why scum are unlikely to all be powerwolfing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hallelujah, welcome to the light brother.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

I call bullshit b/c you did hard push a "lurking" Nero as scum b4.

*Serial killer

[NorwegianboyEE]

In that game i did all i could to flaunt that i was unalligned with the mafia, while still being super aggressive.
And with the added bonus of pretending like an third-party role didn’t exist. Until i had to claim it.
It’s an different circumstance than what i’d do if i was mafia i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Until i had to address it*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i don’t even think i’ve been particurarly aggressive this game.
Except when calling out shit posts for being shit i suppose. But it’s not like i’m calling for Loftwings death over it. I’m stil just wanting SSB for today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, and i was nightkill immune because of my SK role being combined with non-consecutive commuter. So that gave me free reign to be as obnoxiously aggressive as i wanted without worrying about retribution from mafia.
That also played a part in it.
Man. Non-consecutive commuting serial killer. What an awesome role that was.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did you read on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My calling you probable town after reflecting on it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I get this is some tough analyzis, but if you try to conventrate a little bit you can see that i’ve gradually changed my stance on you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Could you tell me where you pulled Townbeard from? I'm mildly interested now.

Mainly from past games with Titus where they’ve used the term and explained it to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero when you return. Can you elaborate a bit more on why you claim my posts are "junk"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think that this comes from scum!kyouko.

I’m not impressed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

why grandpa?

Respect for the elderly.

Okidoki boomer

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m voting you because i thought your reaction to Kobas push was bad. Not just that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This was how kyouko acted when i was confident on her being scum in our first game together (mini normal FIA) I can link later

I started a V/LA that I had announced before FIA WRC started when you started scumreading me in that game?

Hold up, you’re using the V/LA as an excuse? You were posting exactly when and during Kobas FOS on you. Why should your announcing of an V/LA matter at all there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The things Koba is pushing me on are NAI, but he thinks he can abuse his previous streak on me for a mislim and get away with it on towncred.

You actually claim Dkkoba is scum here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game has a really bad case of group think.

This game has a really bad case of Quick.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I took a look at one of Koba's scumgames and i'm still convinced they are more likely town than not in this game. There are certain things in their ISO that just seems hard to fake as mafia.
Stating for the record that i am not simply assuming Koba is town to an detriment, but i genuinely believe it.
Thus i'd really like for Kyouko to give some really good reasoning for why Koba!scum in this game, because if not i'd like to continue arguing for their yeet, because their current stance on Koba just seems like a wet fart omgus from someone that doesn't know how to react to heavy pressure on their slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

hello

I was contemplating just ignoring you, because ew alts.
But might as well have some formalities in order.

Hi, have you read up on the game and do you have thoughts?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve already said that i’m voting Kyouko until they post.
I think their shitty reaction to pressure from Koba and subsequent flaking from the game was extremely scum indicative. If they return and make town posts i’ll change my mind, but if nothing has happened to change my scumread of the slot i don’t see why it should.

What about my reaction to pressure is shitty?

Your immediate OMGUS on Koba when they called you out was really scummy, and i don't think you genuinely believe your own arguments about why Koba is mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

AKA, it's an manufactured read on Koba because you felt like you had to scumread Koba back. Not that you were genuinely solving their slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Trying to win myself Koba as an friend is too scary.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We are though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game has a really bad case of group think.

This game has a really bad case of Quick.

I'm barely posting. What are you even talking about?

I'm making fun of you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game has a really bad case of group think.

This game has a really bad case of Quick.

I'm barely posting. What are you even talking about?

I'm making fun of you.

Okay, maybe you shouldn't do that.

If you genuinely want me to stop i will.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm certainly not arrogant, but i do know how important it is to show confidence so that people will put their vote onto a scumbutt.

[NorwegianboyEE]

interesting that NorwegianboyEE says you were publicly scumreading kyouko first then. one is right, one is wrong. if you are right, why would the other player make that mistake? a convenient/lazy argument or just easy to sell? but for you there's no incentive to make that correction there as mafia.

I didn't look back to confirm the exact timeline, i just remembered that i hated SSB's vibes from those pages and how they were interacting with Koba.