We have no idea what Cheeky getting "no result" even means without their claim.In post 3108, Dwlee99 wrote:Nothing. Because this is all about cheeky getting no result and mega seeing the action that gave no result.In post 3106, LicketyQuickety wrote:So what does that mean if DGB didn't even do a NA? How does that tie into this?In post 3104, Dwlee99 wrote:There is no sequence of night actions where Cheeky visits DGB and Cheeky gets no result where mega can also see this happen, unless cheeky has an unclaimed modifier like loyal/disloyal/simple/etc. @Cheeky you don't have any modifier like that, correct?In post 3101, LicketyQuickety wrote:Why not?In post 3099, Dwlee99 wrote:Cheeky and Mega can't both be town, dude.In post 3096, LicketyQuickety wrote:If DGB didn't perform a NA and is Scum then it confirms Shrek, Cheeky, and Mega being Town.
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We don't know any of that without Cheeky's claim.In post 3113, Dragon of the West wrote:
Cheeky's role doesn't sound like it depends on whether or not DGB performed a night action. If it does, then a roleblock on DGB would give Cheeky a no result pm which is explicitly what cheeky is saying is NOT possible. I think Cheeky's role gets a result regardless of DGB performing a night action, otherwise why would cheeky say DGB is scum/disloyal/ascetic on a failed or no action?In post 3105, LicketyQuickety wrote:In the case DGB is Scum who did not use a NA, then Cheeky's no result, Shreks no result, and Mega seeing both Cheeky and Shrek visited DGB makes perfect sense.
Without knowing Cheeky's role, we don't know if one of Cheeky or Shrek is Scum in the case of Town!DGB since either of them could have rolestopped DGB.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Unless Cheeky is Scum Rolestopper. Unlikely, but still possible. Or Cheeky could be RB but that is even more far fetched.In post 3117, Dwlee99 wrote:
Unless it is a modifier we know it is incompatible with Mega's claim.In post 3112, LicketyQuickety wrote:We have no idea what Cheeky getting "no result" even means without their claim.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Mega didn't have a N1. They were Even Night 2-shot.In post 3121, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Whi is lying between Cheeky and MEGA?In post 3117, Dwlee99 wrote:
Unless it is a modifier we know it is incompatible with Mega's claim.In post 3112, LicketyQuickety wrote:We have no idea what Cheeky getting "no result" even means without their claim.
I also need MEGA's N1 target.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Well, what does NAR say about this?In post 3122, Dwlee99 wrote:
No... because if Cheeky was a rolestopper then mega would get no resultIn post 3119, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Unless Cheeky is Scum Rolestopper. Unlikely, but still possible. Or Cheeky could be RB but that is even more far fetched.In post 3117, Dwlee99 wrote:
Unless it is a modifier we know it is incompatible with Mega's claim.In post 3112, LicketyQuickety wrote:We have no idea what Cheeky getting "no result" even means without their claim.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Returning "No Result" to Trackers who do not see their target go anywhere (in favor of "Your target did not visit anyone")
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How do you know your action failed and not just "no result"?In post 3157, CheekyTeeky wrote:
My action failed, MegA is lying.In post 3156, Shrek wrote:yeah true. but how would you still be able to visit dgb if you were rbed???? i dont get your logicI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Which is exactly why I asked you what you know for a fact rather than your speculation.In post 3158, CheekyTeeky wrote:Or maybe my action failed after I visited so MegA still saw the visit? I'm not sure about that resolving.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Okay, well IDK what role gets that result.In post 3162, CheekyTeeky wrote:
My result was "action failed"In post 3159, LicketyQuickety wrote:
How do you know your action failed and not just "no result"?In post 3157, CheekyTeeky wrote:
My action failed, MegA is lying.In post 3156, Shrek wrote:yeah true. but how would you still be able to visit dgb if you were rbed???? i dont get your logicI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I mean it's still possible Cheeky was RBed, and then that means what to DGB doing no NA?In post 3166, Dwlee99 wrote:Any investigation role or a checker gets that result. Why am I in this thread againI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Because Cheeky is Cop or other investigative role.In post 3170, Shrek wrote:why would a mason be rbedI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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What do you mean?In post 3176, Shrek wrote:
how would scum know that thoughIn post 3171, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Because Cheeky is Cop or other investigative role.In post 3170, Shrek wrote:why would a mason be rbedI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Which is exactly what is normal for... normal setups.In post 3190, Dwlee99 wrote:
Shrek is claiming that their action failed (no result) not that DGB visited no one.In post 3168, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I mean it's still possible Cheeky was RBed, and then that means what to DGB doing no NA?In post 3166, Dwlee99 wrote:Any investigation role or a checker gets that result. Why am I in this thread againI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Earth, I think.In post 3208, Dragon of the West wrote:
Dude what planet are you onIn post 3200, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Which is exactly what is normal for... normal setups.In post 3190, Dwlee99 wrote:
Shrek is claiming that their action failed (no result) not that DGB visited no one.In post 3168, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I mean it's still possible Cheeky was RBed, and then that means what to DGB doing no NA?In post 3166, Dwlee99 wrote:Any investigation role or a checker gets that result. Why am I in this thread againI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Thanks, I get accused of that a lot. Really makes me feel good inside.In post 3215, Dwlee99 wrote:LQ actually fifth scum rnI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Kitty? Even?In post 3250, Gamma Emerald wrote:
yes, at some point or anotherIn post 3249, LicketyQuickety wrote:Has everyone checked in?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Fair warning, this post is largely IIoA
Premise
Why does Mega claim that Cheeky visited DGB N2? That seems like utter suicide if Cheeky was RBed. If DGB was RBed, then wouldn't Cheeky still get a result? If DGB were Rolestopped then Shrek would be semi-innocent. If Cheeky was RBed, then Shrek is guilty. But if Mega didn’t know Cheeky’s result, then DGB was either Rolestoped or Abducted. That still says nothing about DGB/Shrek so we have to look at other data to sort DGB/Shrek given I am alive now.
Progression
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Spoiler: Progression on Cheeky
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Town/Scum Analysis
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Soft-Clears: Gamma, DW, Cheeky
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Clears: AA9, Roden
Soft-Clears: Gamma
Conclusion
These two players could not be more diametrically opposed to each other. They have opposite reads on the Elimed and on each other. Where DGB TR's Mega, Shrek SR's. Where DGB SR's Cheeky, Shrek TR's. And DGB reads Shrek as Scum whereas Shrek reads DGB as Town. To make matter more polar opposite, You could virtually flip the reads upsidown in terms of what reads they gave on all the rest of the players in this game.
If DGB is Scum, then they are likely teamed with a PoE of Roden and/or Nero, and AA9 and/or A50. If Shrek is Scum the PoE is likely DotW, Kitty, and A50.
So that is the information I have for you. Vote wisely.
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I guess that means Cheeky RB is back on the table then.In post 3271, Dwlee99 wrote:I did not find it obvious that you were lying because it looked like DGB was rolestopped.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I mean, that basically means DGB is Town since Mega would have known Cheeky was RBed if DGB is Scum.In post 3275, Roden wrote:Unless we're tin foiling scum having an Alien again?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Can you explain this a bit? I feel like Cheeky is Town here, but if that's the case then my huge wall actually means something. I'd be excited if that's the case because I've been having really bad luck with Mafia lately.In post 3276, Dwlee99 wrote:I do not put it beyond the realm of possibility that there is a combined roleblocker rolestopper (alien) that targeted DGB, but otherwise it seems like one of cheeky/dgb/shrek should be evil?
Hopefully cheeky has a result.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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That would mean the whole Scum team wouldn't know right?In post 3280, Dwlee99 wrote:I think mega didn't know how roleblocks resolve on action investigation.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I mean, DGB sure seems to think so...In post 3283, Dwlee99 wrote:one of cheeky/DGB could be roleblocked and the other lying.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Yeah, that's more or less it. It's a RB and Rolestop all in one. It's like hider except there is no person hidden behind.In post 3286, Shrek wrote:wouldnt a mafia alien on dgb both prevent cheeky from investigating while also preventing dgb from taking an action? or am i looking at the wrong page on the wikiI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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That's a good thought. And BTW, from my research on you, you are like 10X more smooth of a player than DGB if that means anything to you.In post 3288, Shrek wrote:thats literally the most likely scenario then since scum wouldnt want any more confirmed towns. i know im town, im 99% sure cheeky is town and have been this whole game, and dgb is at the top of my null reads and could easily hop into town provided thats the case
im thinking we stop going in circles and pursue a different avenue in gamma/roden. im fine with either of them going but i dont like how gamma escaped death barely on d1
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Look, the only way DGB and Cheeky are both Town at this point is if Scum have an Alien IIRC. So I suggest we just realize that and vote Gamma off today.
As long as there is an Alien in the game that means Cheeky isn't getting any more results baring we Elim the Alien.
Also, it is possible that Cheeky was JK but that would mean Shrek is Scum.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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So you believe DGB now? What happened to them being Ascetic/Alien?In post 3295, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm kinda suspicious of Dwlee changing the lim from Shrek to MegA and MegA flipping goon. I think smartest play is to lim Shrek today and if Shrek flips mafia PR rethink on Dwlee.
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Can you tell me why? I already made a huge fricken case between DGB and Shrek and came out strongly on DGB being Scum. If it's between those two, that's where I'm voting.In post 3297, CheekyTeeky wrote:
LQ take a deep breath in and on exhale wipe your thoughts on the game and vote Shrek.In post 3294, LicketyQuickety wrote:Look, the only way DGB and Cheeky are both Town at this point is if Scum have an Alien IIRC. So I suggest we just realize that and vote Gamma off today.
As long as there is an Alien in the game that means Cheeky isn't getting any more results baring we Elim the Alien.
Also, it is possible that Cheeky was JK but that would mean Shrek is Scum.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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There could still be an alien in the game which would mean all of Shek/DGB/Cheeky are all Town. You could have been abducted.In post 3300, CheekyTeeky wrote:I was RB'd again on a different target meaning my action failed because I was Roleblocked N2 and then again N3. This means DGB was not RB'd N2 or RS. Therefore Shrek is lying about his tracker result, as if that wasn't already clear yesterday.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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If Cheeky is Town it quite literally means you are SRing all the Town players and TRing all the Scum players. Like, that's not exactly the kind of thing I expect Town to do. Meanwhile, Shek has been pretty spot on except for the people he is Null on. Granted, he's SR some Town players, but that actually points to him being Town if he TRs both Town and Scum where as you just have the wrong reads altogether.In post 3305, DrippingGoofball wrote:
If you want that coveted winning streak, better switch these while there's still time.In post 3299, LicketyQuickety wrote:I already made a huge fricken case between DGB and Shrek and came out strongly on DGB being Scum.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Every time I vote Gamma, some other wagon pops up to somehow be more important. I really don't like the resistance to voting for Gamma.
Also, Gamma has sorta seemed like they have some sort of protection about not getting Elimed. I was thinking that one night while trying to sleep.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Cheeky, why on earth would I bring up that I was a Neighborizer if I was a GF?In post 3313, CheekyTeeky wrote:DGB is it possible if LQ were a godfather that he would still be added to your pt?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I mean, you are free to think that if you want but just because I am wrong on one of my reads doesn't mean I am wrong on all of them. You should really check for someone's reason for their reads in that situation, and you are sorta lacking in the reasoning department for your reads. All you do is just blurt out "Town/Scum" and don't really explain yourself.In post 3316, DrippingGoofball wrote:
What? We only flipped one scum.In post 3310, LicketyQuickety wrote:If Cheeky is Town it quite literally means you are SRing all the Town players and TRing all the Scum players.
You have to understand, I am town, so from my perspective I find none of your other reads credible because you are so stubbornly wrong about me.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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That's because I'm an Alien IRL. Sorry couldn't resist. I get called weird a lot.In post 3321, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I don't know. None of your play makes sense to me.In post 3318, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Cheeky, why on earth would I bring up that I was a Neighborizer if I was a GF?In post 3313, CheekyTeeky wrote:DGB is it possible if LQ were a godfather that he would still be added to your pt?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Yup. No way that back and forth with Nero was theatre. I have strong strong non-associatives between Mega and Nero. Never lynch Nero unless it's like Elimlo or something.In post 3332, Shrek wrote:nero is almost conftown at this point though???I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Worst logic ever.In post 3340, CheekyTeeky wrote:If he flips town great you don't risk sorting him near endgame and losing. Also since Nokill we have room to breathe.
I am as confident in his read flip as I was with MegA's. If he flips green then it we need to relook at the loyal neighbourizer.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I mean, it basically confirms DGB is Scum, right?In post 3336, Dwlee99 wrote:Y'all need to figure out what happens if Shrek flips town hereI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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If that's the case then you know where I am voting. And don't pretend I didn't spend hours and hours to sort that shit out.In post 3342, CheekyTeeky wrote:Basically limming outside of DGB/Shrek is ridiculous as we've got one more piece of that puzzle to fit.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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IF they flip read. I don't like going off of "IFs".In post 3346, CheekyTeeky wrote:LQ if Shrek flips red that basically confirms DGB's role so you should want that too. As you can see NKs aren't going to solve squat.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Like, Cheeky, in what world does Mega claim that Shrek visited DGB when they didn't there? It would essentially confirm Shek was Scum and get Mega to go late game. OTOH, Shek has been pushing Mega pretty much all game long. No, Shek is almost certainly Town here.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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What the actual fuck are you talking about me game throwing for? That's a serious fucking accusation to make. Don't tell me that unless you have something to back it up. My God.In post 3358, CheekyTeeky wrote:Cool, if you game throw here LQ I'll hold it against you for a long time.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Good list, but I'd say only 2 Scum there.In post 3371, Shrek wrote:(Gamma/Roden/Kitty/AA9/A50)
genuinely think the three remaining scum are within these 5. cheeky is being silly and im not going to take any of her reads seriously until she can at least explain what an alien isI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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THANK YOU. That is what my whole case was all about. IF we are going between Shek and DGB, then I can't really see a world where Shrek is Red and DGB is Green.In post 3353, Dwlee99 wrote:I townread Shrek on play rnI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Why would they out themselves as Town here?In post 3375, DrippingGoofball wrote:No one has admitted to roleblocking either of (Cheeky or me), so that would come from scum.
I'm telling the truth, so someone is lying between Cheeky & Shrek.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Unless Cheeky is Gunsmith and Gamma is Traitor, I think so...In post 3378, Dwlee99 wrote:Doesn't cheeky have a clear on gamma btw?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Because StD could have targeted literally anyone since they didn't crumb that they were on DGB. In fact, A50 thinks it more likely StD was on me instead of DGB.In post 3390, CheekyTeeky wrote:If mafia aliend DGB why did StD die?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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That's complete WIFOM that you can't read into. StD is dead, so they can't confirm or deny anything.In post 3391, DrippingGoofball wrote:Upstanding red role PM citizen MegA wanted to draw our attention to this:
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I did though. Which makes me think its something funky.
Important note is DGB was NOT the intended NK since STD didn't visit.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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