Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Gypyx

First posters are scum.

[KittyTacky]

By the way this is my first large. It's more than twice as big as a newbie and almost twice than a mini so I'm nervous.

[KittyTacky]

I'm nervous.

y?

Because it's a big game.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: KittyTacky

Kitty, have you already been a scum? (I didn't watch your previous games)

Nope. I remember you tho. From my first game. I played like a headless chicken. Kinda embarrassing.

[KittyTacky]

I did correctly finger a scum then but everyone was sussing them at that point. IIRC.

[KittyTacky]

Nope. I remember you tho. From my first game. I played like a headless chicken. Kinda embarrassing.

So there is a good chance, that you are a scum now... Time has come. And you act rather suspiciously right now

Yeah, I see that you remember me, carrying my quote in your signature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

And explain how am I acting suspiciously.

[KittyTacky]

Am I mistaking about your scum role?

Yes.

[KittyTacky]

Yes.

a townie's mistake?

Definitely.

KittyTacky pinging me as newbie scum here. Not sure if the current votes are RVS but VOTE: KittyTacky

Congrats on making a non random vote! Care to share with the class your reasoning? I don't think scum will be handing us a silver platter wrong thread post this game, so you'll have to try harder on this one if town~

Mostly the "I'm nervous", then when asked about it the tone felt too defensive for a town riding around RVS.

It seemed perhaps a bit too... aggressive? For an RVS push.

[KittyTacky]

@Mod you missed my vote on Gypyx. It was an RVS thing to gather reactions but still.

Gypyx is the backup mod, not a player in this game. ~Bulge

I'll post a readslist tomorrow when RVS is firmly over and I have something to push off of.

[KittyTacky]

you had me until that question mark

VOTE: kittytacky

What? I used it because it didn't quite seem apt to describe it as fully "aggressive". It was certainly pushy which is the word which I should have used now that I think about it.

[KittyTacky]

you had me until that question mark

VOTE: kittytacky

What? I used it because it didn't quite seem apt to describe it as fully "aggressive". It was certainly pushy which is the word which I should have used now that I think about it.

Nice shade-throwing.

[KittyTacky]

Anyways I'm going to sleep, it's midnight here. Good night.

[KittyTacky]

Definitely.

That's bad. Because u shouldn't know my side so early if you are a townie (only scummies know who is townies). Especially you, knowing that I'm an experienced player and I should be a possible scum/null for you rather long. How could you solve it so fast?

I thought you were talking about me. Townie's mistake = me acting scummy, and I know I am town.

[KittyTacky]

Anya likes hardsofting random roles while not being them. I think that neighbor "claim" is just that and NAI.

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky, do you have any other reads?

I'm still putting my list together. You are on the HMMMMMMM list though. I am fairly sure Rathe is town also.

[KittyTacky]

It it normal for doublevoters to claim so early?

[KittyTacky]

...real dayvig? Whew. That's an overreaction.

Not enough content for a full readslist, I'll wait a bit more.

[KittyTacky]

Is the Day modifier even normal?

[KittyTacky]

Zzzzz. Let's hammer Kitty today.

VOTE: KittyTacky

It sounds even less convincing that your RVS. Cmon we are on 15th page.

I have no strong reasons against him, but I have feeling that he plays here much like a bad actor. Maybe because of the lack of experience.
For example this post #22 : "Nope. I remember you tho. From my first game. I played like a headless chicken. Kinda embarrassing." Especially about remembering me, ugh...
I'm (softly) triggered on almost every of these sentances, and on his other posts too... "nervous" about large game, because this is a first big game for him, huh... Vasex is definitely tr for him from the very beginning, how?...

I tried to read the others, but this is my best bet for now.

I said you're not a TR for me. You didn't read my posts, did you?

In fact this weird pushing makes me think you are scum trying to mislynch me. VOTE: Vasex

[KittyTacky]

That is just my style of talking as town. C'mon, you were in that game. You can also read Newbie 2058 (concluded).

[KittyTacky]

Some overreaction from you, Kitty. Btw I has hanged you one time (we were both townies), and even in that situation there were no problems for you to find me townie. What has changed?

Last time you had different reasoning.

[KittyTacky]

Who is scummy if im townie, Kitty?

The other suspects, though them not seeming to have any association with you leads me to believe you are just a wrong townie. Which is uhhh. T3. Cabd. Arguably Etine.

[KittyTacky]

Who is scummy if im townie, Kitty?

The other suspects, though them not seeming to have any association with you leads me to believe you are just a wrong townie. Which is uhhh. T3. Cabd. Arguably Etine.

And my vote was a pressure vote, we are nowhere near a hammer anyways.

(My underlines below)

In fact this weird pushing makes me think you are scum

trying to mislynch me.

This feels awkward and over-thought. If they are scum and they are pushing you then it is inherently implicit that they are trying to miselim you. The quoted sentence reads much more naturally without the underlined bit.

Good point but explain how that is alignment-indicative.

[KittyTacky]

Sorry I was busy yesterday evening.

UNVOTE:

Will read back through the thread a bit and place my vote.

[KittyTacky]

Etine's claim is weird. Definitely an overreaction but I... kinda see how a townie would overreact there.

I believe Vasex is town. Still don't trust Etine. Smells like an awkward claim tossed out to relieve pressure.

VOTE: Etine

[KittyTacky]

Good point but explain how that is alignment-indicative

Townies can post at face value. Scum have to construct their posts to look townie so have more chance to overthink stuff.

I'm confused how ndmath is seeing this as a town tell

Or haven't you thought that maybe it's my style of posting?

[KittyTacky]

he said etine is townie before etine's pr claim. so what does enchant think today?

I changed my mind. It's early in day 1 still, reads change.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty's posts just don't read well. He feels the need to clarify that it will be a mislim if we vote him. That should be obvious if Kitty is town.

This point has been made already, and I still don't see how it's AI.

[KittyTacky]

Cabd's posts are weird. Almost like active lurking. We should investigate.

VOTE: Cabd

[KittyTacky]

This hammer?

[KittyTacky]

I was a Town 1-Shot Cop. Crumbed it here:

I am an 1-Shot Cop. Crumbed it here:

Cabd's posts are weird. Almost like active lurking. We should investigate.

VOTE: Cabd

I would check Cabd if he was not limmed today. Now that goes down the drain.

[KittyTacky]

No, Kitty, only 1 vote left. Are you vanilla townie?

Oh. Well no I'm not. I was quieter because I was

not

vanilla, I didn't want to get NKed.

[KittyTacky]

In both games I linked I was a veet. Tried to be active there. But I wanted to minimize chances of my shot dying with me.

[KittyTacky]

The wording was weird if you look for it. We weren't investigating anything as was pointed out. But it does mean "investigating Cabd".

[KittyTacky]

I guess time to change my vote from Cabd to

VOTE: Kitty

Sure, kill a PR day 1. Wouldn't that be a great start.

[KittyTacky]

if cabd was lynched today who would u investigate?

DkKoba I think. I have a neutral-but-not-null read on them. They feel... weird to me. Those are the people a cop should invest.

[KittyTacky]

You don't trust other PR - Etine...
But you are voting Cabd now instead of Etine.
What's your explanation?

I don't believe Etine's PR claim. On a second thought I might invest

them

instead of DK.

As for why I'm voting Cabd? Cabd is about as scummy to me, and there's a lesser loss if I am wrong, because if Cabd is town I feel they're a VT. I don't see a PR!Cabd, only a scum!Cabd or a VT!Cabd.

[KittyTacky]

No reason to lurk now that I had to out myself.

[KittyTacky]

if cabd was lynched today who would u investigate?

DkKoba I think. I have a neutral-but-not-null read on them. They feel... weird to me. Those are the people a cop should invest.

it seems you dont care about the role of cabd after lynching...
because it should have influence - he is townie or scummy - for the decision who should be checked next after this...

If Cabd flips town then I'm more likely to check those who pushed him (besides myself). I thought that's basic logic and didn't need to be stated. You guys told me to not overword posts.

[KittyTacky]

Happy 32nd birthday!

[KittyTacky]

Nice hammer, you killed your cop. Vig on Vasex.

[KittyTacky]

So why do you need to check Etine, Enchant?

Did Enchant claim investigative?

[KittyTacky]

Vig on Vasex.

Why out of all people did you pick him?

Because I am town and he pushed on me hard. And he continues to try to hang me even after I claimed cop with an UNSPENT shot. The latter especially.

he even keeps silence now
the cop my ass

VOTE: Kitty

Ever heard of going AFK?

VOTE: Vasex this is scum trying to kill a PR and get away with it.

[KittyTacky]

Let me get a check out. On Etine. Or whoever you want.

[KittyTacky]

And no I wasn't counting, I thought I was hammered, that's why I asked.

[KittyTacky]

So you went AFK and coincidentally came back exactly minute after being called out?

I was just reading the thread, saw I got accused, you put me at E-1 which I thought was hammer, then I hastily re-wrote my post because I thought I was hammered.

Anyways I am going to sleep, it's past midnight here.

[KittyTacky]

And by "being AFK" I was referring to "you stay silent even now", not your original accusation. You either misunderstood me or you are twisting my words.

[KittyTacky]

Let me check someone. Etine is our main question. DK is secondary to that, because Etine is a PR claim.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Cabd Vasex is still less scummy than this once I got past the OMGUS reflex. He can just be wrong town, he at least tries to be helpful. Cabd, meanwhile, is lurking.

Good night.

[KittyTacky]

I promise there will be much kitty's talking in mafia chat, he rarely appears in the thread, faking that doesnt count votes, than doesnt care about who to check in what condition, and then says goodbye going to sleep.
I know what it means to get a cop-pr first time. Kitty wouldnt be so not interested in game with that, it would be the greatest responsability for him and ge would be searching mafia with more interest tgan for usual townie.
This is not a cop.
We will make a mistake voting somewhere else

No there's a reason I wasn't active. I didn't want to get killed before I used my shot.

Vasex is tunneling me hard.

[KittyTacky]

if Cabd is town I feel they're a VT. I don't see a PR!Cabd, only a scum!Cabd or a VT!Cabd.

Why the actual fuck would you ever post this? I neither confirm nor deny it's right/wrong but why would you ever talk about this out loud?

To explain why I'm voting you instead of someone who claimed PR.

[KittyTacky]

This is not only about activity. You just bad, you are not hard-trying to win

Because it's my first time being an investigative PR? If I was super-helpful they would NK me before I used my shot.

[KittyTacky]

And of course I'm bad, this is like what, my fourth game?

[KittyTacky]

Unlike you who played mafia for years.

[KittyTacky]

This is not only about activity. You just bad, you are not hard-trying to win

Because it's my first time being an investigative PR? If I was super-helpful they would NK me before I used my shot.

So thats why you decided not to care much about the game? Seems legit

I care. But if I showed that too much I would get killed. Now no reason not to.

[KittyTacky]

If I was super-helpful

You could do it not very openly, gathering the info, reading players with attention. Did you do it at all? Seems that you absolutely had no your own opinion about where to go at night,you have no plan, no thinking, no thinking about options,you just lied about your role

Yes. It was still too early for much of the game so far but now I have a concrete idea of who to check (Etine/Cabd/Enchant/maybe Koba in that order if one or more gets limmed or somehow proves themselves as town. OFC I have only one shot so that is less useful).

[KittyTacky]

DkKoba I think.

Did you play with him earlier?

In an ongoing game, can't say anything substantial about it. But yes.

[KittyTacky]

DkKoba I think.

Did you play with him earlier?

In an ongoing game, can't say anything substantial about it. But yes.

Are you playing right now somewhere using alt?
It can explain some things tho
Did you play with Dkkoba earlier? In your 3-4 games before this one?

Nope, I have an alt but it's not in any games right now. And no, both games I'm in with DK (including this one) are ongoing.

[KittyTacky]

Vasex in nutshell:

Yeah if Vasex is mafia then T3 is probs partner with him. I'd say townie claiming BP is... just why, if you had any logic? Unless it's a gambit.

It's either Cabd or Enchant today IMO. Maybe T3. No strong SRs on anyone else, only neutral or mild scumlean. Etine is also but too risky.

[KittyTacky]

Yea I took the time to re-read much of this thread and Enchant is indeed... slipping.

VOTE: Enchant

[KittyTacky]

Yea I took the time to re-read much of this thread and Enchant is indeed... slipping.

VOTE: Enchant

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DUDE.

You just admitted you are in team with me with believing in slip. Do you even read game?

Townies can see scumslips too. Cease with the shade-throwing.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: T3

[KittyTacky]

NVM, T3's recent posts seem kinda legit.

VOTE: Cabd

[KittyTacky]

NVM, T3's recent posts seem kinda legit.

VOTE: Cabd

pls explain why you aren't voting for confirmed (from your pov) mafia, and instead think his posts are "legit"

How is he confirmed mafia? He has been acting... scummy and I'm down for hanging him tomorrow but Cabd is worse IMO.

[KittyTacky]

I wouldn't put it past the mod to put two highly gated cops in the setup.

[KittyTacky]

Now if it was a full cop claim then yeah.

[KittyTacky]

but Cabd is worse IMO.

What has Cabd done...?

Active Lurking. Never contributed much of anything as far as I can see.

[KittyTacky]

I will admit my pointing-out of a "scumslip" was to justify Enchant just generally looking scummy to me and I needed a justification besides "he looks sus lol".

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, usually u are so concerned about overreaction, but your cop's reaction to other cop's claim is definitely not enough... Almost no reaction at all. How is it possible?

I was more concerned with the fact that I was still under fire. Also I didn't know that two weak (not literally Weak) cops were that strong or an unusual sight.

And investigative roles make sense with a babysitter (assuming Etine is legit) since that neuters Follow The Cop somewhat. Especially if the babysitter is outed.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, what new thoughts about persons do you have? What is the range of mafia for you?

Kerset = town-leaning. Their posts generally make sense. This one in particular smells townie to me:

First we voted Etine. We got their role and let them go.
Then we voted Kitty. We got their role and let them go.
Then we voted T3. We got their role and let them go.


I dont like the idea of completely new wagon.

Blunt but not overly so.

Anastasia = similar. Their recent post-chain feels more like a townie catching up than a scum catching up. If that makes sense.

Andres = actually a scumlean. Lurking a lot as far as I can tell.

This is not complete, just the recent reads that "clicked" for me. I should actually formulate a readslist later before D1 ends. Maybe tomorrow.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, are you ready to vote Andre?

Yeah on a re-reading he is up there with Enchant, Cabd, et cetera.

VOTE: Andres

DGB vs Vasex reads strongly as TVT.

[KittyTacky]

I was a Town 1-Shot Cop. Crumbed it here:

I am an 1-Shot Cop. Crumbed it here:

Cabd's posts are weird. Almost like active lurking. We should investigate.

VOTE: Cabd

I would check Cabd if he was not limmed today. Now that goes down the drain.

looo you can tell he was even preparing his post and then changed it to fake reaction to that fake warhammer but then forgot to take the old line out

VOTE: Kitty

i'll give you a ferris wheel

I wanted to claim and then I noticed I was voted before I could finish writing my post and thought it was hammer and then, yes, I forgot to edit out that line. Doesn't prove anything.

[KittyTacky]

kitty is just repeating and repeating and repeating the words of other players)

Prove it.

[KittyTacky]

Being useless is not a scum longterm tactic. He wants to be in that way even, at risk of being called out. Scum cab would get scared that his passive gameplay fails to work and react in different way then this. Its town.

There's WIFOM there though. That's what scum wants you to think. While putting in minimum effort.

[KittyTacky]

I can safely rule out Anastasia+Vasex. Even if Vasex is scum (which I am fairly sure he isn't)... that does not read like a bus.

I am down for Andres or Cabd today.

Etine is... weird. Feels like backing out of a bus attempt though I don't want to vote a protective claim yet.

VOTE: Cabd

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, do u have townies at all?

Yes.

You, DK (changed from neutral to town), Mark, Dragons are the strongest.

Windows, will you vote Cabd? And when?

when T3 and Kitty acknowledge their targets + CabD has a chance to speak.

I am fine with checking Etine, Enchant, T3, or ND.

[KittyTacky]

NVM I'm being leashed. Checking NDMath.

[KittyTacky]

ok to make thsi clear,

T3 check DGB
Kitty check NDMath

these are 2 players who dont get nightkilled unless they are confirmed PR.
these are the 2 best checks to leash.

change this to T3 -> Etine, Kitty->DGB

i want scum to nightkill Etine if they are town<3

OK I missed this on my first read. Checking DGB.

[KittyTacky]

Like... Really you will say "i was VT i don't care" as mafia?

Or that's what mafia wants you to think.

[KittyTacky]

and kitty confirmed that you are together)

No I didn't. I didn't even see what the scumread was and I wanted something as a reason to vote Enchant who looked slippery to me.

[KittyTacky]

I honestly wasn't sure that there *couldn't* be two gated cops, especially if there are few PRs. T3 is scum at this point regardless, what was the last time I said he is town? It's just that Cabd is worse. But looks like we're not hanging Cabd today anyways because we believe his VT claim.

VOTE: T3

FOS: Cabd

[KittyTacky]

I honestly wasn't sure that there *couldn't* be two gated cops, especially if there are few PRs.

This is why I didn't CC.

Let me check DGB tonight, when I flip town D2 listen to my result.

[KittyTacky]

I misplayed as town cop, who doesn't their first time?

[KittyTacky]

Checking DGB.

what if he is killed?

Yall told me to check him. If I check someone else I get hanged.

Though that will likely happen anyways.

[KittyTacky]

DGB vs Vasex reads strongly as TVT.

You, DK (changed from neutral to town), Mark, Dragons are the strongest.

OK I missed this on my first read.

Checking DGB.

KITTY IS SO SCUM
DGB WAS STRONG TOWN FOR HIM (he repeated that after his townie dragons), NOW HE AGREES WITH XP TO CHECK DGB
OMG LETS ELIM KITTY TODAY
everybody who thinks kitty is a real cop - scums

> get leashed to check DGB

> announce intent to do so

> get pushed

OK

[KittyTacky]

deputy is a cop right? there's a game with a deputy and a cop. and 178 has a cop with a joat, joats usally have cop shots.

Deputy = backup cop.

[KittyTacky]

Checking DGB.

what if he is killed?

Yall told me to check him. If I check someone else I get hanged.

Though that will likely happen anyways.

Never tell in these games where you are going to go at night.
Is the first game didnt teach you about that?
There blocker said, that he will block me, and mafia skipped the shot then, to make everybody believe that i was blocked mafia with a gun, not vt...
So they can use this knowledge now again, if they are sure where you are going. They can shoot your target at least or do smth else. And your targetcan be prepared what to say if it is checked...
Be more unpredictable

I think in this case that doesn't apply as much because babysitter/other unclaimed protective if sitter is fake can be on DGB, wasting the mafia kill. I doubt they would risk it given the WIFOM. Especially since I am slated to be limmed D2 regardless of the result.

[KittyTacky]

Yes I do remember that game. I do think I am better off claiming my target here given the reasons I explained. The benefit to mafia (I think) from killing DGB the night I check is less than killing them later.

[KittyTacky]

just tell at least that you will think about it again during the night

OFC.

[KittyTacky]

The selfvote from Vasex, if I didn't mention it, is weird. Logically speaking it's counterproductive since it's like voting an IC (assuming you're town). But mafia self-voting is also counterproductive (except when hammering self early in the day to deny town info). It's NAI because it's purely emotional.

[KittyTacky]

And I don't feel that emotion is indicative of alignment.

[KittyTacky]

So? Am i a scum?

Nope. My TR on you didn't change.

[KittyTacky]

Waiting for VC.

[KittyTacky]

Alright, I checked DGB. Innocent. Godfather isn't normal right? So DGB is clear.

[KittyTacky]

Mafia cop also implies Traitor;

How so?

Because what else would a mafia cop be used for? Aside from multiball, but this is a normal game.

Multiball is normal but only one nightkill. Barring protective/roleblocker shenanigans this is singleball.

[KittyTacky]

Could u explain why did u choose this target? Btw i would check hum too

I was leashed. I would check Etine if I wasn't.

[KittyTacky]

Even if mafia leasher I'd definitely be pushed hard and probably limmed if I went against it. I didn't want to score the mafia another kill.

[KittyTacky]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

Why?

Because single kill in large game is unexpected. No SK, no vig?

Yeah I'd expect vig to shoot Cabd/Enchant (or another scummy) if there was one.

Even if mafia leasher I'd definitely be pushed hard and probably limmed if I went against it. I didn't want to score the mafia another kill.

I dont understand, explain it more

Leasher could be mafia but we don't know that and DGB isn't that bad of a target anyways.

I didn't want to risk dying because I am confirmed town to myself.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, do you trust windows?

I trust them but not that much. Actually a mild TR, let me be honest. The defense was too blatant to come from scum.

Kitty is not just a 1-shot cop. She is also a person openly attacked by T3, keep in mind why did T3 claim in the first place.

Why would u pushed hard? Do you mean today? There were two cops, one is dead mafia now, so the other one is probably real cop, why should u be elimed today?

I was fearing mafia would leverage me going against the leash to mis-push me.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, who you checked

Read the thread. DGB. Came up inno.

[KittyTacky]

I know, the question is why he wanted to check etine

Because I didn't quite trust the babysitter claim. If I was a babysitter I'd claim something else other than babysitter because being outed makes a babysitter less useful.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, who asked you to check dgb?
Is this player(s) is town to you? Why?

WindowsXP did and I halfway-trusted them. As I explained I was fearing getting pushed if I didn't obey, and DGB was a good check in hindsight.

ok to make thsi clear,

T3 check DGB
Kitty check NDMath

these are 2 players who dont get nightkilled unless they are confirmed PR.
these are the 2 best checks to leash.

change this to T3 -> Etine, Kitty->DGB

i want scum to nightkill Etine if they are town<3

[KittyTacky]

I think mafia didn't kill them or me because they feared babysitter, and didn't kill babysitter in case babysitter was in fact on a scum, expecting to get killed. Think about it, Vasex.

[KittyTacky]

WinXP is town to me. It's hard to explain

why

and I'm still working on that skill.

[KittyTacky]

Yes I thought about my check. I decided the reward outweighed the risk of mafia taking the risk and killing DGB.

[KittyTacky]

I'll wait to vote until tomorrow. I'm half-asleep.

[KittyTacky]

One last post, DGB's argument with Vasex was my only TR on DGB so DGB was not binned as town then. Lean at most.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Cabd

Still not sold on their reaction to the fammer.

[KittyTacky]

Sorry I was quite busy yesterday, couldn't post much.

I'm hesitant to vote STD as they don't seem that bad but if the wagon on Cabd fails to grow before DL then sure.

[KittyTacky]

Since on a re-reading, STD seems quite cummy.

[KittyTacky]

SCUMMY

[KittyTacky]

Sorry I was quite busy yesterday, couldn't post much.

I'm hesitant to vote STD as they don't seem that bad but if the wagon on Cabd fails to grow before DL then sure.

That bad compared to Cabd.

[KittyTacky]

There's at least 1 scum in the D1 Vasex wagon IMO.

[KittyTacky]

I should have set V/LA for the past two days BTW. Gonna be more active now though.

[KittyTacky]

Wagon on Cabd isn't going anywhere any time soon.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[KittyTacky]

I used to doubt Andres. The recent scuffle puts him as fairly strong town for me though.

[KittyTacky]

Three kills? I assume one was from the babysitter dying along with someone. But is the third from the vig or a SK/multiball?

[KittyTacky]

Honestly leaning towards the vig being cautious night 1.

[KittyTacky]

I doubt there's another protective as that would allow a chain of protection between the babysitter and the hypothetical second protective.

[KittyTacky]

Was busy, will backread through the thread and respond soon.

[KittyTacky]

Reads:
Hard town: Marky Mark, Rathe
Town: Nero Cain
Lean town: NDMath, WindowsXP, dcl,

Anya

, DeathNote
Null: Vasex,

Kerset

, samantha,

STD

, DGB,

Dunnstral

, Arte, Andres
Lean scum: Enchant, Cabd
Scum: KittyTacky,

Etine

Most of my null reads are basically people who haven't donr anything.

I don't think T3's scumplay was massively nuanced and I'm willing to bet that he would have tried to sneak one of his buddies into his townreads. I'm town (obvs you can't know this for sure) and Rathe has been on the money so far in terms of reading the game so I think Nero is the likely candidate here.

I also wouldn't be shocked if there was 1+ scum in the lean town bracket (ie NDMath)

Seconding this. If I was scum in that position I'd put a buddy in my townies.

[KittyTacky]

And who you think is T3 buddy?

It's either Nero, WinXP, or NDMath IMO. Leaning more towards NDMath there due to being pretty quiet all game. I have an innate mistrust of lurkers.

Did they claim anything?

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: NDMath

[KittyTacky]

All-scum neighborhood is completely pointless IMO. The scum might as well claim being in a hood without there actually being one as it's undetectable.

[KittyTacky]

The only use is either confusing rolecops (in this case it's a traitor anyways) or making people think there's another townie in the hood.

[KittyTacky]

Mod stole my pagetop.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah, by scum I meant groupscum but now I get what was meant. That... could work actually.

[KittyTacky]

Vasex doesn't seem like a good vote for me. I read him as town, at least right now.

VOTE: Cabd

[KittyTacky]

why kitty is still alive?

uh, he has no check-shots

Yeah at this point I am basically a VT and playing like one. Presumably there are bigger targets.

[KittyTacky]

Cabd and NDM are our two lurkers but I'm leaning towards Cabd. If I was vig I'd have shot Cabd long ago.

[KittyTacky]

Hot take: Cabd and NDMath are both scum.

[KittyTacky]

Or there's at least one scum between them. That I can say almost 100%.

[KittyTacky]

Who has claimed vanilla cop? I'm wading back through the game trying to find it

Andres claimed Simple Fruit Vendor (which is pretty much VC but the target needs to claim the result). Bloodhail claimed Even-Night Vanilla Cop.

I think the theme of this setup: cop variants. 1-Shot Cop, Gunsmith, Vanilla Cop, gated Fruit Vendor...

[KittyTacky]

SFV seems like a weak role when claimed, by the way. A fakeclaiming scum can just claim not ot have received the fruit. Unless it's a gambit.

[KittyTacky]

Gunsmith implies vig and/or some sort of cop so that checks out.

[KittyTacky]

Vasex isn't particularly scummy to me because his push on me day 1 was so hard that he would definitely have a target on his back if he succeeded. I don't see scum making such a rash play.

[KittyTacky]

I don't trust Cabd's VT claim, any dick can claim VT. If he is faking VT as a PR, he should come out now.

I'd say we should let NDM talk before turboing him. This game has a very diligent mod who won't let the eliminatee (is that a word?) have much in the way of last reads.

[KittyTacky]

And OFC we shouldn't turbo a non-claimer for obvious reasons.

[KittyTacky]

Lets kill NDMath and if it is scum the next one - Andre

I dont understand mechanics, where is the fruit you sent to Samantha

Alright, so I'll explain.

Fruit Vendor is a role that gives the target a message at the end of the next night: "You have received a piece of fruit!". It does nothing else. When gated like with Simple, only some players can receive the fruit so it acts like an investigative.

[KittyTacky]

Votecount 4.7

Cabd

[6] - Almost50, NDMath, KittyTacky, Nero Cain, samantha97, bloodhail

[E-1]

FINISH HIM

[KittyTacky]

This is most likely red.

[KittyTacky]

It's not a townie kind of lurking.

[KittyTacky]

As said, I'm fine with NDMath dying too. Definitely at least one is scum. Probably both TBH.

[KittyTacky]

But Cabd is worse.

[KittyTacky]

Sure Cabd has way more posts but his are shorter, while NDMath walls. They produced about the same amount of content.

[KittyTacky]

As said, I'm fine with NDMath dying too. Definitely at least one is scum. Probably both TBH.

You know what? VOTE: NDMath This should be hammer.

If it's not him then it's Cabd definitely.

[KittyTacky]

Any last reads?

[KittyTacky]

This day went on long enough. And that's not NDMath's reads. I asked him for last reads.

[KittyTacky]

If I was on NDMath instead (situation reversed) I'd have hammered Cabd.

[KittyTacky]

As said, I'm fine with NDMath dying too. Definitely at least one is scum. Probably both TBH.

You know what? VOTE: NDMath This should be hammer.

If it's not him then it's Cabd definitely.

Where this intel comed from?

Not very likely for both mega-lurkers to be town.

[KittyTacky]

Cabd seems like the sort of player to appeal to emotion. I don't buy that selfvote.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Cabd

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, so you think blood is true cop and andre is lying about fruits, right?
If we will elim today smb among blood and andre, are you going to elim Andre?

I trust blood more than Andre. I might be wrong, I was wrong about STD too, but blood reads more like new-ish town than scum.

[KittyTacky]

What do you think about Enchant theory that if Andre flips town, you are mafia, because if he was blocked (sam and enchant didnt get fruits), then you are mafia, because you should be blocked on night 1?

Well I know I am not mafia. There might be an as-of-yet unknown rolestopper (roleblocks anyone except killers who visit their target) or the like.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty checked dgb... dgb is killed like jailkeeper
Though it is strange to have two mafia cops imo

And just before you said I am town. TF you saying man?

Anyways I'm going to sleep. Will re-read this entire day tomorrow and share thoughts.

[KittyTacky]

Wait a minute. Odd night jailkeeper
Maybe scums have Even night roleblocker?
That's why kitty wasnt blocked on n1 ??

Yeah maybe that. Would make sense. Anyhow, thoughts-list (not quite reads).

Vasex: my TR on him is slowly faltering. His play today is kind of... floppy. Can't find a better word for it.
Anastasia: kinda null. Probably not scum with Vasex unless this is some sort of extended bus.
Mark: now this is my new shepherd. He has been extremely active and helpful, especially after D1. I lock town on him.
Cabd: still scum probs. Or just townie who doesn't want to play.
bloodhail: if I understand it right, it's likely either them or Andres (both vanill cop equivalents). But then there's the possibility of it being a mod trick.
Andres: vice versa.
BH and Andres are both kinda null to me.
A50: rather quiet all game but not quiet in a scum way if that makes any sense.
samantha: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Enchant: day 1 acting quite scummy, afterwards seems to not be that bad. Might be a townie who made mistakes D1 as often happens.
Nero: I'm also sure this is town for now.

[KittyTacky]

Alright, awake now. Reading through the day.

[KittyTacky]

So I'm honestly unsure about Vasex now. I'll go re-read his posts in general to make up my mind.

[KittyTacky]

A bit confused regarding BH vs Andres and I'm unsure who to trust. So I'll not vote either yet without a good reason.

I'm fine with sheeping Nero/Mark.

[KittyTacky]

Good game everyone! First game as scum, I panicked when Vasex started pushing me. Missed the end but oh well.

I learned stuff.

[KittyTacky]

I felt sorry for Vasex, town sucked up to my bullshit cop claim that I did to save my ass at E-1.

[KittyTacky]

D1 was scary, afterwards everyone just kinda let me and Enchant go after our massive blunders. If I was someone else I'd push hard on me because I accidentally claimed scum while trying to distance from Enchant.

[KittyTacky]

Etine protecting the vig really helped us...

[KittyTacky]

Etine protecting the vig really helped us...

Yeah lol, that was less than ideal. What happened with the N1 kill? Cross kill on Anya or did someone try and shoot me?

I thought vig didn't shoot N1 TBH.

[KittyTacky]

Now people know my scum meta. Now, I enjoyed pushing low-hanging-fruit townies onto the train tracks.

[KittyTacky]

@Mod how did you generate the VC images? They look to be made by a neural network or something.

[KittyTacky]

When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.

This is my favorite quote from this game.

[KittyTacky]

We didn't know they were neighbors until late IIRC.

[KittyTacky]

@Mod how did you generate the VC images? They look to be made by a neural network or something.

they are procedurally generated, but it's not my bot. just one I found.

Can I have a link?