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[Nero Cain]

haha I'm the only one on

[Nero Cain]

daykill:STD

days over now

[Nero Cain]

I'm nervous.

y?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: nero cain

took the slot I was planning on insta voting daystart

may we be united in our dislike of FL.

[Nero Cain]

kinda hate cabd's post but I already hate everything cabd anyways so...

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Gypyx

First posters are scum.

You missed. Unless that was intentional?
VOTE: kittytacky

I don't really understand this post?

Because I prefer to make big moves early to generate data. It's practically rinse and repeat these days.

are u claiming that you try to intentionally get wagoned ala slayers gambit?

[Nero Cain]

still, seems a bit similar no? Like if u force the player list to take sides then...even if you don't attribute alignment motivation its just noise and doing things for the sake of doing things

[Nero Cain]

vote: Etine

better?

[Nero Cain]

I can do multiple things @ a time. I'm an equal opportunity scum hunter.

[Nero Cain]

So you don't think T3 is scummy?

not really. You could maybe make the argument that he's going after LHF but...

y is he scummy?

[Nero Cain]

was doused with a lot of extra that surmounts to "who asked?" It's just talking to yourself openly to seem busy and stuff.

eh.....

I'm not really seeing it.

[Nero Cain]

then u need glasses.

[Nero Cain]

my vote was mostly a joke and slight pressure to get you to explain your T3 vote but hard disagree with ur reasoning.

[Nero Cain]

though tbf I'm not a huge fan of 75 and slightly misrepping me.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Cabd

how do u like that data?

[Nero Cain]

Are u a ramicus alt?

[Nero Cain]

greetings comrade

[Nero Cain]

welp t3 is town

[Nero Cain]

ur voting that slot

[Nero Cain]

@ mark claiming mason is mostly a meme in this meta.

[Nero Cain]

I'm mostly being an ass as I think Koba is pretty inaccurate. Last game I played with them they voted 0 scum on d1 lol. but I was never a fan of the T3 wagon to begin with so...

who else do u think is scum?

[Nero Cain]

oh right, you did vote NM until he claimed pr. so good job on that.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really remember you voting for him I just remember you voting a buncha town wagons and then hard pushing my lynch and then instead of admitting that you were wrong about me you p much blamed me but w/e

[Nero Cain]

Why do I keep getting pushed for doing multiple things in a game? Why do I have to limit my hunting to just 1 person at a time?

[Nero Cain]

Why do I keep getting pushed for doing multiple things in a game? Why do I have to limit my hunting to just 1 person at a time?

That's not what troubles me actually it's more like you choose to be indecisive?

ok but that's not what happened so? get over it?

[Nero Cain]

i refuse to believe anyone genuinely tries to throw out 6 as a number without like trying to fake a "townslip" for towncred.

I somewhat disagree. As cabd said 5 is the "correct" number for a game this size and I have pushed players (as both alignments) for making similar statements. You are very much correct that it could be an attempt @ a fake town town instead of just being duncey town.

Also his stuff about me is junk lol

[Nero Cain]

its site meta to immediately claim if you are a negative utility role. part of me understands where u are coming from but the other part of me is like "really?" scum would look fairly bad to wait forever to fakeclaim miller. Do u really think scum would hold off claiming if they were gonna do the miller fakeclaim gambit?

[Nero Cain]

So DN...why'd u wait till ur 5th post to claim?

[Nero Cain]

its site meta to immediately claim if you are a negative utility role. part of me understands where u are coming from but the other part of me is like "really?" scum would look fairly bad to wait forever to fakeclaim miller. Do u really think scum would hold off claiming if they were gonna do the miller fakeclaim gambit?

does weak doctor count as negative utility?

no but they should crumb

[Nero Cain]

y is math town, andre?

[Nero Cain]

i'm not andre and i don't think math is town?

I know wich is why I'm asking Andre why he has a town read there.

[Nero Cain]

ET, if you think/thought there were 6 scum in this game why do u only have 4 scum reads?

[Nero Cain]

ET, if you think/thought there were 6 scum in this game why do u only have 4 scum reads?

You think I'm a miracle worker!??!?!

no, i think your words and thoughts don't align

[Nero Cain]

also that's kinda an odd response. like its a clear contradiction and your response is a non sequitur

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Etine

[Nero Cain]

????

I'm still not sure why you think my sole focus should be on cabd but you're scum so you don't really need logic

[Nero Cain]

ET, if you think/thought there were 6 scum in this game why do u only have 4 scum reads?

Bad question.

VOTE: Nero Cain

bad vote

[Nero Cain]

to be clear I'm not voting Etine for contradicting himself I'm voting Etine b/c his response to the Q doesn't seem like a town response. I'd expect something more along the lines of "I don't have 6 scum reads yet"

[Nero Cain]

????

I'm still not sure why you think my sole focus should be on cabd but you're scum so you don't really need logic

Why don't you care about your own pushes? This is all you had 2 say on the matter

Why do I keep getting pushed for doing multiple things in a game? Why do I have to limit my hunting to just 1 person at a time?

tbh guy, I really don't understand what you are trying to say or what your point is and it seems kinda scummy to me. Its like word salad and saying things but there's not a meaning behind it.

[Nero Cain]

I responded to cabd in 63 and he hadn't responded yet. You started pushing t3 in 64 and was then being coy about why you scum read him so I pressure voted you and ever since you've been scum "reading" me.

[Nero Cain]

The reason why I scumread you is because I thought your Cabd read was fake

interesting, this is the first I'm hearing of that.

Why drop what you were doing with Cabd just to vote me for being audacious?

b/c it makes it sound like you were getting upset that I was doing more than 1 thing not that you believed my cabd push was fake.

You think my push is fake just b/c I haven't had an all-out war with him and I'm poking @ others? In a game with more than 1 scum it's my job to poke multiple people as I'm more likely to hit scum that way. Also, it's not entirely accurate that I've just stopped prodding @ cabd. 251 was directed @ him and honestly? cabd hasn't really done much that was useful wich is why my vote was still resting on him. I mean 98 is the kinda fake ragey post I see from scum from time to time and in hindsight I should have called it out but the rest seems useless to me.

[Nero Cain]

but ur argument seems to be that me voting you and doing other things while cabd was absent from the thread meant that I stopped pushing him and my push was fake and I'm not really sure that's even genuine

[Nero Cain]

Cabd what is your read on t3?

[Nero Cain]

if nero is town vasex is probably mafia

a bad vote doesn't necessarily make one scum. Is there some other reason here?

[Nero Cain]

well I'm too lazy to unvote so...

[Nero Cain]

Hmmm I think I might've made a mistake

what was this "mistake" and why did you never go into it?

[Nero Cain]

I still feel like cabd is doing a buncha active lurking. Kerset and Math voting each other makes me think its scum cross-voting each other in the wake of scum getting owned today. Math is scummier than Kerset but I wasn't a big fan of his Math vote and Math is extremely scummy for sitting on a reasonless vanity vote on page 19!


Andresvmb
Artemiana
DrippingGoofball

are all scummy lurkers

I like Anyas etine vote but the reasoning is ???? bus maybe?

[Nero Cain]

I wouldn't put it past Mark to fakeclaim miller as scum but even if he's scum there are still 4 others. If we haven't solved yet then we should strongly consider lynching Mark before lylo but for now, he's like a temporary IC.

[Nero Cain]

I just feel like etine has been very scummy this game. If etine was town he was very unlikely to get shot and his claim makes it even less likely. It's like a built-in excuse for he's still alive. And honestly? if he's scum this would be the second game in a row scum has wiggled out of a d1 lynch b/c they claimed pr. That would make me absolutely furious. I also feel like he's sorta trying to luek off the pressure on him.

ofc I'm not oblivious and I know there's other scum out there so if his wagons falls apart I wouldn't mind lynching in math or the not Anya A names or cabd.

[Nero Cain]

or DGB

[Nero Cain]

vasex, what made u start thinking that etine was town?

what is the case on kitty?

[Nero Cain]

Have some minor towncred tho because this feels like uninformed town and not a scum push

I thought about this b/c mom seems like she's been around awhile now but apparently, her join date is still only '18 but then we are talking about someone that's been here for at least 2 years and not knowing that a miller is normal and

Also, it's throwing doubt on a conditional IC which I think is kinda scummy.

[Nero Cain]

I agree with you that that kitty post looks really bad and I'd love to hear the explanation. My only slight thing is that word scum be so careless?

[Nero Cain]

*would

[Nero Cain]

STD is putting out content. I like his kitty thoughts but sadly that's who is prob getting lynched today.

Dunn is also not for today either.

[Nero Cain]

rathe what not Dunn slot would you vote today? Same q to u STD.

[Nero Cain]

reasons but also Dunn seems like a long shot to get lynched over kitty and all these lurker slots so consolidation.

[Nero Cain]

Dunn should also move his vote

[Nero Cain]

yes and I've said so b4. maybe cabd/arte/math/dgb aren't all scum but they aren't all town so....

[Nero Cain]

andre too

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: cabd

[Nero Cain]

rathe also on my scumdar

y?

[Nero Cain]

I think Kitty is town and thus there's scum on his wagon but @ the very least we should force all the lurkers to start posting.

[Nero Cain]

do u think kitty is scum, sam?

[Nero Cain]

Statistic says.

First wagons very ofter scum, which builded by scum to gain towncread and distancing.

So... It would be this.

I'm not sure I've ever heard that but if that's what u believe who are the scum that built this wagon?

[Nero Cain]

but wasn't kitty the first wagon and not etine or was etine the first wagon?

[Nero Cain]

if cabd was lynched today who would u investigate?

[Nero Cain]

Wouldn't the correct play be to not lynch kitty today and in case they are really a 1x cop use the investigation?

[Nero Cain]

but cabd isn't a claimed cop so...

but you didn't really answer my question. Is it or is it not the correct play to let a claimed 1x cop live for a night phase?

[Nero Cain]

For me it is obvious.

not for me its not.

let's say I'm wrong and kitty is scum. Worst-case scenario is he's a scum pr and he gets 1 night of action. And if he's a goon then? nothing happens. FMPOV the safest thing is to let him use his investigation (assuming he's telling the truth) and we can safely lynch him tomorrow if need be.

Who else would u do today?

[Nero Cain]

but even if Kitty gets lynched today b/c its the EZ thing to do and most ppl just do the ez thing-ending the day with a lurking cabd, andre and arte seems like a bad waste of time. make them use their words.

[Nero Cain]

whats the case on T3?

[Nero Cain]

whats makes it unlikely that he's a town bp?

[Nero Cain]

could enchant just be scum here? like this whole "he's a claimed bp, git him!" like there's a lot of scum motivation in wanting to get a bp out of the way. And the "he's unlikely to be town bp!" is just kinda slimy. Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

VOTE: enchant

[Nero Cain]

because it makes sure they will be not targeted, wasting role.

so is he scum for wasting his role or scum b/c he claimed bp? I mean there is a difference between those 2 arguments. like I 100% agree that he wasted his role but voting him for that just seems a bit silly, no?

[Nero Cain]

I don't get the traitor talk unless u r scum that knows there is one or just kinda pushing this idea of a phantom role, either way i think its kinda scummy.

[Nero Cain]

there's been a decent amount of pressure on T3 all day. IDK if there we any votes on him and the time of his claim but I'm fairly certain he'd had been getting voted.

Like, I agree with u that if t3 is a town bp he's a dunce but my problem is that when I asked what the case on him was you said it was b/c he claimed a role that was common for a scum role which is sorta as a push. You then followed it up by claiming that he's fake claiming bp b/c town wouldn't claim bp and waste thier role wich makes a lil' sense but im not sure why you didn't lead with that and the change in reasoning kinda makes me worry.

[Nero Cain]

As mafia, i have zero motivation to remove bp, because he could be traitor.

but if ur scum on a 5 man team then you know there's no traitor and you could safely make this argument.

[Nero Cain]

To give Kitty one more night? Till the end of the game?

i mean no. I'm just saying that the reward of giving kitty a night to use the investigation outweighs the risk of lynching a 1x cop. I'm ok with getting kitty tomorrow but there's like no point in doing this today.

[Nero Cain]

hey Mark, did your view of artemania change any ofter I told you it was an alt?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: cabd

or we could help DGB bus

[Nero Cain]

Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

or we could help DGB bus

funny

my point was that DGB left a viable t3 wagon to vanity vote. From my POV that looks like scum that doesn't want to be on a ml.

[Nero Cain]

Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

or we could help DGB bus

funny

my point was that DGB left a viable t3 wagon to vanity vote. From my POV that looks like scum that doesn't want to be on a ml.

Right? I wanted to vote scum. Deal with it.

I mean I agree with you that arte/ana are scum but I don't think you are town either. Like you left the T3 wagon b/c? arte was scum? sure so does that mean you started to town read t3? why didn'y you use your words? FMPOV it looks like you are just scum that got caught with thier hand in the cookie jar.

OK, I'm reading through and like

Marky is scum.

I might as well give up with this account at this point

^This activity and repout is practically a meta scumclaim from Mara btw.

maybe listen to the scumbuddy here?

we should be picking on of arte/ana DGB or CABD to lych

[Nero Cain]

Maybe elim Andre?)

this is ok too. but cabd is the biggest wagon of those 4 so my vote rests there unless some big ana/dgb/andre wagon pops up.

[Nero Cain]

if you don't think he's scum why do u want him to be wagoned and claim?

[Nero Cain]

I get where you are coming from wrt cabd but if he's not helping town to scumhunt and only offers up thoughts/info when pushed that just doesn't seem that townie to me. but with 50 pages and a week and change left n deadline we should mybe start trying to put our elimination together instead of info pushing.

who between ana/dgb and andre would you lynch?

[Nero Cain]

wrt?

with regards to

[Nero Cain]

You want to pick people with no associations or content.

this is very untrue

and also you want to lynch DCL whom has even less

[Nero Cain]

what do u think of DGB leaving the t3 wagon to vanity vote artemania?

[Nero Cain]

what do u think of DGB leaving the t3 wagon to vanity vote artemania?

That he likes mechanical solves and barely cares about this game.

ummm thats a pretty generous take

[Nero Cain]

I mean I agree with you that arte/ana are scum but I don't think you are town either. Like you left the T3 wagon b/c? arte was scum? sure so does that mean you started to town read t3? why didn'y you use your words?

So why are you accusing the person changing their vote to a scum, instead of the actual scum? Yes I town read T3. If not I wouldn't have unvoted.

That's a garbage take, Nero.

I don't know how popular here to destroy your partners from the very beginning

Day 1 bus'ing is a plague on this site, the good kind of plague.

I mean, you yourself know that d1 bussing/distancing is a thing. If you started to town read T3 why blank vote and not try to keep t3 from getting lynched? Being silent and not trying to keep t3 from being lynched just looks like scum that was getting off that wagon so they didn't have to be on a ml. Koba is apparently the only one that knows what im talking about but my logic is sound. If I really wanted to I could find plenty of evidence of this.

[Nero Cain]

rathe is on cabd atm

[Nero Cain]

Kerset gets ++TR for valid criticism of Nero's LHF PoE

Are they really LHF though? its hard as fuck to wagon any of them. Like maybe you could say "well cabd is getting some votes!" cabd is lhf said no one ever. Mara and DGB also aren't LHF. All 3 of them aren't contlentess voids with 0 associations as he claims.

[Nero Cain]

nero is so scummy now

NO U!

[Nero Cain]

cabd isn't scum he's low-hanging fruit.

~Kerset April 2021

[Nero Cain]

or maybe they are light defending him like ^

[Nero Cain]

woulda been funnier if vasex didn't get in the way

[Nero Cain]

here's the thing, and I was scum reading arte b4 the cabd/ana blowup but if scum is going down (cabd) this could just be distancing from a buddy so...

[Nero Cain]

he has 8 i thought

[Nero Cain]

Who the fuck leashes a kitty?

dogs r the ones that need walks.

(this is a joke post I'm fine with investigating anya)

[Nero Cain]

I like Kerset's #1639.

I meant 1640

weren't you scum reading that slot? if you still are then you're talking out of both sides of your mouth and if you stopped then you didn't use your words and...its like you are just trying to fly under the radar and its scummy.

[Nero Cain]

god u r so scummy

[Nero Cain]

nero getting all these important page tops

[Nero Cain]

CABD

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: cabd

[Nero Cain]

i know it makes me an "aasshole" but I'm not exactly sure y etine is being town read for ateing. Seems like it would be null at best

[Nero Cain]

vt claim is town

~enchant april 2021

[Nero Cain]

I mean I think cabd would fight a little harder than this but that's just me. It's not "meta" b/c while I have played with cabd b4 I don't really

remember

but just in general his being ok with being flipped just seems like reverse psychology.

[Nero Cain]

we're so incompetent we can't even kill me correctly

this

[Nero Cain]

and the bandit stragglers are monkeyman Nero Dunnstral

What's a bandit straggler?

[Nero Cain]

I'm trying to hurt down google cache or archive.org versions. Looks like my home site nuked their old mafia forums.

???? is this about you being frustrated and self hammering?

[Nero Cain]

There aren’t 2 Cops in the game.

if this was a mini sure but this is a 21 players so more than 1 cop is plenty believable, no?

[Nero Cain]

there's never been 2 cops in a game b4? wtf bro

[Nero Cain]

im not voting t3 till unless DGB is flipped or investigated

[Nero Cain]

i mean it could be b/c I've been around longer but multiple cops has been done b4. Andres asking me/us to do busywork is pretty scummy.

[Nero Cain]

like my first reaction was that Kerset is blatantly lying but it's a 2013 join date so maybe he could have just never been in a game with multiple cops.

[Nero Cain]

errr 2019

[Nero Cain]

deputy is a cop right? there's a game with a deputy and a cop. and 178 has a cop with a joat, joats usally have cop shots.

[Nero Cain]

who we killing today, sam?

[Nero Cain]

I think Kitty is town and thus there's scum on his wagon but @ the very least we should force all the lurkers to start posting.

And after Kitty gets to E-1 btw, nobody thought this was suspicious? This isn’t Scum posturing for a Town flip? Did anybody highlight this?

b/c you know that I'm wrong or something? I have a tendency to think that fast wagons usally hit town b/c they are full of clueless town/opportunistic scum.

there were also such GG posts

VOTE: KittyTacky

I guess i should join something VOTE: Kitty

VOTE: Kitty

VOTE: Kitty

VOTE: Kitty

im not really sure why my opinion is "scummy" unless you know that its wrong.

[Nero Cain]

your scumgame is a joke andre

[Nero Cain]

I assume this game is it though

[Nero Cain]

Sure Nero. You’re going to use the same logic Vasex is using to push me?

if you think this is the first time I've pushed you then you clearly aren't reading the game. And if you aren't reading the game then it makes me question how genuine

2269

is. I make wagon speed arguments all the fucking time b/c its a p good indicator of someone's alignment and preemptively calling me out b4 a kitty flip makes me think you have more information than the rest of us or you are trying to manipulate us into lynching a 1x cop or a town Nero.

[Nero Cain]

it also tickles me that both of the ppl that have called me scum, I called them scum first.

[Nero Cain]

Also, I think that 2274 is a poor reply b/c I have valid concerns and you are just kinda ignoring them.

[Nero Cain]

how are you catching up Andre?

[Nero Cain]

etine

[Nero Cain]

Oh, promising direction. Nero was lynched on day first.

????

[Nero Cain]

it also tickles me that both of the ppl that have called me scum, I called them scum first.

this is a lie btw. I never really started calling etine scum till later but I did vote him so he'd reveal his t3 reasoning (which was poor btw) then he accused me of being scum that stopped pushing cabd b/c ya know I can only do one thing at a time. but still kinda OMGUSy from him but ig it's OMGUSy from me too.

[Nero Cain]

I mean you aren't even voting t3, andre

[Nero Cain]

i hard claim town

[Nero Cain]

btw Goofbal can you start being useful? You are not helping town

what if DGB were just not town?

*mind blown*

[Nero Cain]

don't really want to vote vasex and I still think cabd/andre are better lynches but the silver lining of a vasex lynch is that maybe we'd finally get to lynch some lurker scum.

[Nero Cain]

don't really want to vote vasex and I still think cabd/andre are better lynches but the silver lining of a vasex lynch is that maybe we'd finally get to lynch some lurker scum.

Why do we need Vasex to push lurker scum like deep city lights and its bad replacement?

im saying that without vasex we might lynch lurker scum.

[Nero Cain]

as someone that has been mislynched for self-voting and seen others self-vote....

if you self vote as town it comes from a place of frustration. if you self-vote as scum it's usually the hammer vote (or a setup for your team to hammer) and cut off communication.

ppl need to stop this self vote is a scum vote. its wildly dumb.

[Nero Cain]

However after having mislimmed nero in my last game with them I'd like to give them breathing room since clearly they do not do well with pressure.

Do you think a potentially scum andre saw how ez it was to lynch me in that game and decided it would be relatively safe to push me here?

[Nero Cain]

vasex why did you have to go and get voted and derail my cabd wagon?

[Nero Cain]

Do you still want to elim him more than anybody else?

you know who I'd really like to get rid of? DGB. but I think it's too late in the day to do that.

What the plan of Cabd as mafia? Just to sit a month silently for a win condition?

y not? it seems to working out for him fine and as long as he's soaking up attention then we aren't hunting his buddies. He's also not being completely silent, he'll come in say something that I guess makes ppl not want to vote him. But also he could just be busy and still have been sent a scum role. I'd like to hear someone's town case on him.

[Nero Cain]

DGB

dgb

dgb

my only experience with dgb was them afking then hyperposting near day end and outing themselves as a serial killer in a grand idea game

Link pls

WE SUMMONED HER GUYS!

[Nero Cain]

The case on Enhant is the strongest here

wich is?

like I agree with Kerset mostly that wagons should be between the vt claims.

[Nero Cain]

almost50 is lock mafia btw, just want that on the record

Wah isn't you votin' me then?

I disagree that you are lock scum but this was a bad post.

[Nero Cain]

this is the day that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started playing it not knowing what to do
and we continuie playing it because we can't decide what to do
this is the day that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started playing it not knowing what to do
and we continuie playing it because we can't decide what to do
this is the day that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started playing it not knowing what to do
and we continuie playing it because we can't decide what to do

[Nero Cain]

Where are you guys getting that cabd is v/la till june? vc just says he's vla amd I not getting something?

[Nero Cain]

ND math can be town now. Other than the cabd vote I don't like how DGB was kinda throwing fuel onto the fire in 2928

[Nero Cain]

ok thanks

[Nero Cain]

dunn, t3, anya are prob voting scum but the chance we swing to an andre lynch is slim to none so join the cabd wagon.

enchant, self voting is dumb. I get it though but its time to move on.

bloodhail, Kerset stop voting town u dummies.

Anastasia prob won't join the cabd wagon b/c vasex is on it but he's not scum.

a50 being useless? no one saw that coming.

[Nero Cain]

im not!

could I be wrong? sure but I feel like STD, math, vasex are all p town. If I'm wrong on any1 its Windows but eh. If my choices are between cabd wagon and t3 then Im not gonna join the wagon with dgb and etine just eww

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: A50

Can I get a second?

VOTE: a50

hehehue

[Nero Cain]

nero cain was chainsaw defending T3 with his attack on andres, looks horrible

not really. I was meta scumreading Andre b/c he was being a lurksack this game but I can see how the optics look bad for me.

And kerset walked it back but I don't fully buy that

TBF, t3 changed his claim to cop so kerset changing his read from traitor to mafia cop is a normal thought process if not a lil' conf bias. Arguing that he was trying to bus/distance from him inst outside the realm of impossibility though.

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

but vas WAS on the wagon so...

[Nero Cain]

kersets argument that vasex stopped pushing t3 near the end is bad.

[Nero Cain]

Anyway, just vote Nero please.

what do u see from nero

terrible defense of T3, spent most of day 1 tunneling andres who was one of the people pushing the hardest for T3

I was far from the only one that had called t3 town @ some point in time. Itz really ez to call someone scum when you know they are. The idea that the 11 votes on him were all town and all 4 scum were off his wagon is lol. Though I agree with you that lynching off the t3 wagon is a dumb idea.

Also, I spent most of the day tunneling cabd so if you are going to fuss at me at least gets your facts straight.

[Nero Cain]

Balance wise, I'm not sure why mafia would have the biggest tool to catch the serial killer, though

Why would mafia have a cop then? to find a traitor? Doesn't that run into a similar logic problem? I like the idea that the cop functions as a psychiatrist to find the sk b/c it seems like it would benefit them more than trying to find a lone traitor. Or what if this game just has both an sk and a traitor.

[Nero Cain]

Anyway, just vote Nero please.

look at this chump trying to strong-arm my wagon.

[Nero Cain]

is it really that hard to use the post tags?

3239 has the twinge of IIOA but vasex just doesn't seem all that scummy to me.

cabd is still scum but no one will vote him for some silly reason.

VOTE: kerset

[Nero Cain]

What was wrong with deathnote?

[Nero Cain]

We don’t know for certain yet that Nero/Ana are Scum.

seems a bit strange 4 u to say

[Nero Cain]

Nero, what do u think about it? Dgb was your main scum. You was voting cabd... if cabd is townie too... then you are a scum, i guess.

So we are BOPing me? sure I'll take that bet. I mean I don't really think that "Nero had incorrect reads so he must be scum!" is a great case but then I guess you could make the argument that if I don't have great reads then I'm not really that helpful and should be eliminated so we can hunt the real scum.

I still think Kerset is scummy so I voted my scumread. In hindsight, Kerset prob won't be lynched simply b/c he was on the t3 wagon but from my POV I tried like hell to lynch cabd yesterday and we couldn't lynch a guy that was blatantly not hunting and stringing us along and t3 being a scum wagon that overtook the cabd wagon ppl would be even less likely to vote him so I wanted to go for someone else.

but if we are doing a cabd lynch and if he flips town and lynching me then ok.

VOTE: cabd

[Nero Cain]

Who totally disagree and considers std is townie?
Or we can elim windows

If I had a choice between these 2 I'm voting windows or if we are doing cabd and either lynching me if he flips town or bulding a statue to me when he flips scum then that's fine with me too.

[Nero Cain]

andre or cabd are my preferred wagon. windows is fine too. As is Kerset but no one is going to vote Kerset.

[Nero Cain]

y is cabd town? and you can't use "he's spewed b/c u r scum" b/c im not. b/c the t3 wagon overtook him? I don't think that has to make him town.

[Nero Cain]

y can't i think that u and can' be scum?

[Nero Cain]

Nero Cain [2] - bloodhail, Andresvmb
Vasex [2] - Kerset, Anastasia
Dunnstral [2] - Rathe, samantha97

who is the easiest lynch here? So when you start getting voted you went with the most surviorlistic wagon you could.

[Nero Cain]

So they want to at least get a mislim in me.

this makes no sense. I wasn't pushing you at day start. stop trying to

ate

and play the victim card.

[Nero Cain]

Explain why this is compatible to you.(spoiler alert you cant)

cabd isn't hunting and he's stringing us along. He's not town. I think the t3 and cabd can't both be scum is a false dichotomy.

[Nero Cain]

like why is it impossible that 2 scum get waggoned and one just overtakes the other?

spoiler alert: its not

[Nero Cain]

yes I realize that xp was also arguing that but I still don't understand. explain it to me like I'm a noob.

[Nero Cain]

I mean to be fair he had t3 as under null but still had him above etine and std

{Nero Cain, Marky Mark, Kerset}
{XP, Deathnote}
Gap
{Dunn, Samantha, Vasex}
Gap
PILE OF NULLS {AKA anyone not listed above or below failed to make a large impression}
{T3, STD}
Gap
{Etine}

and then when he claims cop he has him as a town lean that he wasn't interested in today (yesterday) and that's the correct play as both town and scum.

[Nero Cain]

much better candy bars than snickers

[Nero Cain]

u weren't even on the t3 wagon lol

T3 [11] - Rathe, KittyTacky, Etine, samantha97, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark, Kerset, Anya, Vasex, bloodhail, Enchant [ELIMINATION]
Anastasia [1] - Cabd

so you didn't throw him down to save yourself. So I think you are being intellectually dishonest.

Also, you had STD as a scum lean early yesterday and then moved him to town and now you are ok with lynching him? I call bullshit

[Nero Cain]

Them saying I’m a preferred wagon when I was screaming for the head of the Scum that got executed

and yet you moved off them.........

[Nero Cain]

like you saying that you should be getting tons of town cred for yelling at a guy that flipped scum yet moving away from that wagon and that cabd should also get town cred b/c his competing wagon flipped scum are both terrible arguments.

[Nero Cain]

And std is more obvious than windows.

what do you think of cabd saying that he'd vote STD after town reading him yesterday? seems very go with the flow.

(he's going to vote me though lol)

[Nero Cain]

Like after the wagon had died I started screaming that there weren’t two Town Cops in the game.

T3

[2] - Rathe, KittyTacky

Nero Cain

[1] - Andresvmb
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here andre is vanity voting me over a 2 man t3 wagon

Votecount 1.31

T3

[4] - Rathe, KittyTacky, bloodhail, Etine

Nero Cain

[1] - Andresvmb

here andre is still voting me over a 4 man wagon

tbf he stopped posting after this but to argue that the t3 wagon died and/or that his vote was better served on me is flat out lie. So yelling that there weren't 2 town cops while not voting who you think is lying is just lip service.

This is just bullshit in bad faith and needs to get executed.

and yet you believe that im scum that saw T3 going down and didn't hop on for the tow cred? Why is this a valid argument for me but not for you?

[Nero Cain]

yes

i'd like cabd to talk about why he went from a scum read, to a town read and back again.

[Nero Cain]

like its hard to make up a reason to vote someone. or even blank vote and if I get called on it make up a reason. get out of here with that bullshit.

[Nero Cain]

also notice how andre lied about the t3 wagon dying and when I pointed out that it never died as he claimed then he ignored it.

[Nero Cain]

If any of you want to vote me instead by all means. But don’t complain when I call you the worst Town player after the game.

no one is even voting you guy. this way too early ate makes you look guilty AF. Just a tip for the next time you roll scum.

[Nero Cain]

Oh look I am re-evaluating and T3's flipping mafia and STD hard shoving me along with seeing other points of data with a fresh lens from day one makes me think I DO have justifiable reasons to scum read STD, I am no longer opposed to a wagon there."

but what makes STD scum? he was attacking you so he's scum? I was/am attacking you and I'm not scum. What are these "justifiable reasons"?

[Nero Cain]

lol, andre lied about the t3 wagon and you are ignoring it b/c you either think im scum or are scum yourself.

[Nero Cain]

andres already spewed town from t3 and nero just stuck in the cabd/andres world bc they dont wanna spew anyone else lmao

when im town I tunnel who I think is scum, you know this b/c I got heat last game for tunneling on scum that claimed a pr.

[Nero Cain]

Like after the wagon had died

I started screaming that there weren’t two Town Cops in the game.

it didn't die. He was still posting when the t3 wagon was @ 2-4 votes and he just refused to vote t3 again. When he saying that he was yelling and screaming that there weren't 2 town cops but not voting t3 if he thought t3 was lying then he's just talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's not a reach.

[Nero Cain]

like I think andre knows he fucked up and that's why we get the ate in 3524. I'm just not sure if it's a town mistake like he wants us to believe.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: andre

[Nero Cain]

who would you vote besides dunn, sam?

[Nero Cain]

nero n xp what do u think about dunnstral

nothing says he can't be scum but he's not someone I'd vote today.

what are your thoughts on Andre and cabd?

[Nero Cain]

a50 is a50 and we have a long history together. I feel like lately though he's kinda settled into this trolly/useless playstyle that's not an ez read. Someone said that he coasted (was his play similar to this?) and I guess you could argue that he is cum coasting but I think there are scummier slots and he's down my totem pole.

[Nero Cain]

3588 is a good catch

[Nero Cain]

nero trying their best to tie me to him

[Nero Cain]

rathe I don't understand why you'd vote Dunn if t3 said dunn vs. std was tvt. you think that he was lying and its SvT or...?

[Nero Cain]

lol

[Nero Cain]

e) there are at least 1-3 scum on the cabd d1 end of day wagon

Cabd [4] - Nero Cain, Save The Dragons, WindowsXP, NDMath

there's at least 1 town on the wagon. ME. and I don't think math or STD is all that scummy. If STD and Math are town then you are potentially just setting up chain mislynches.

[Nero Cain]

andres looks town

to me, I think this is the scummiest thing he's said.

As someone that routinely gets scumread for tunneling on his scumreads, it's not like town don't tunnel. I mean sure maybe he's just scum that doesn't want to flail out and "spew" to many players but its not super convincing to me.

[Nero Cain]

yes and I've said so b4. maybe cabd/arte/math/dgb aren't all scum but they aren't all town so....

andre too

VOTE: Nero Cain

stop voting your teammate

[Nero Cain]

What was wrong with deathnote?

Apparently you were our Traitor but we didn't get it right.

?????

[Nero Cain]

So far Andre case seems to be just Nero OMGUS

tbf i was calling andre scummy long b4 he even voted me.

Andresvmb

Artemiana
DrippingGoofball

are all scummy lurkers

his "case" on me is that I thought T3 was town so I must be scum.

honestly man, andre cheerleading the t3 wagon from the sidelines while vanity voting me and then when called on it lied and said his wagon "died" is like scum AF.

[Nero Cain]

! etine- ppl are town reading cabd or atleast xp and andre are. XP is pushing the idea that t3/cabd can't possibly both be scum. Andre for ???? reason. idk about anyone else.

[Nero Cain]

I was basically an sk not a traitor

[Nero Cain]

Why can't T3 and Cabd not be scum together? His progression on him is very yucky.

ask XP, that is who is arguing that but their argument is that b/c the t3 wagon overtook cabd it means cabd is town.

[Nero Cain]

don't you miss the absolute wonder that was dial-up internet?

[Nero Cain]

Why can't T3 and Cabd not be scum together? His progression on him is very yucky.

ask XP, that is who is arguing that but their argument is that b/c the t3 wagon overtook cabd it means cabd is town.

I thought the T3 wagon died because people wanted to give T3 the opportunity to check at night? What does Cabd-wagon have to do with this?

?????

XP pushed that cabd isn't scum with T3

etine asks if anyone is town reading cabd

i told him that XP was for ^ reason

etine asked me why cabd and t3 can't be scum together with the implication that they could be

i told him that XP was the one that was pushing that they can't be

I'm not sure what you are asking me