Open 86 - Lovers Multiball (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

@armlx - great. you've gone from irrelevant content to no content. nice.

Agreed. Is it policy lynch time yet?

Vote: Armlx

BM

*PS: Hope he doesn't turn out to be my Lover. rofl!

[Battle Mage]

Where did you come from? I'm confused.com

Well originally i was born in Cleveland, but we moved to Detroit when i was 5, where my papa could get work.

Also, what's with the product placement? 2 can play at that game!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why are we still not consolidating votes?

Agreed. We should call Ocean Finance, and consolidate all our existing votes into 1 single, manageable, monthly payment.


BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, who did you replace? And if it was someone scummy can we kill you now?

Sleepy Panda? And no, you cant kill me now. I'm an unlynchable Jester lover. Who just happens to lack his role pm at this point.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, I see what you did there.

thanks bud.

Unvote

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, who did you replace? And if it was someone scummy can we kill you now?

Sleepy Panda? And no, you cant kill me now. I'm an unlynchable Jester lover. Who just happens to lack his role pm at this point.

BM

Hey you. I'm still in the game.

Apparently not... 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Apparently not... 0.o

BM

Snifflesniffle.

But I don't believe you.

You know why you don't have a role PM? Because

you're

not in the game.

The Mod asked if i wanted to replace in. I said yes. Simple, no?

ROFL. Ok, i'll stop messing with your mind. It's not you i'm replacing.

BM

[Battle Mage]

What time did you get asked to replace BM? SSF asked fror a replacement but it was only a few hours before you posted. It could be for him, I don't think anyone else had asked for a replacement.

Someone else had asked for replacement beforehand, so i offered. Then i was told the place was taken, but i'd be kept on the waiting list. 3 hours later, and SSF drops out, so i figured i'd hop in and help u guys out.

WHERE'S MA LOVER!?

BM

[Battle Mage]

What time did you get asked to replace BM? SSF asked fror a replacement but it was only a few hours before you posted. It could be for him, I don't think anyone else had asked for a replacement.

Someone else had asked for replacement beforehand, so i offered. Then i was told the place was taken, but i'd be kept on the waiting list. 3 hours later, and SSF drops out, so i figured i'd hop in and help u guys out.

WHERE'S MA LOVER!?

BM

So, you are not officially in the game? What if SSF has been replaced by someone else as well?

Then tough titties. I was here first.
I'm only half-kidding.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm an unlynchable Jester lover. Who just happens to lack his role pm at this point.

^

BM

[Battle Mage]

@armlx - great. you've gone from irrelevant content to no content. nice.

Agreed. Is it policy lynch time yet?

Vote: Armlx

BM

*PS: Hope he doesn't turn out to be my Lover. rofl!

speaking of policy lynches, if you don't stop spamming up this game and corrupting the signal:noise ratio I will get you lynched. I burned off some of my townie cred so that newbie-townies would stop following my opinions and start thinking critically about the game, but I know that I have enough cred left to get you lynched.

You have a mature playstyle: use it.

You do realise that if you use your alleged 'cred' to get me lynched, you will no longer have said 'cred' for future games. If you think i'm worth it, then i'm truly flattered, and far be it from me to question your motives.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Adel, would you mind if I referenced that post in future games when this scenario pops up again?

Sure. Sometimes BM needs a leash.

You should both know better. Anyone making references to ongoing games will be taken to the highest court of all!

....


The Mod's!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Darox

Who the hell previews their posts after 1 line? And how long is this analysis taking you?

I call bs.

My read will commence shortly.

BM

[Battle Mage]

...You're kidding me, right? You're voting him because he accidentally mis-submitted? Grasping, much?

No. Try reading my post, rather than completely misinterpreting me. I'm voting him because:

A. I'm unsure why somebody would care enough about how their post looks to preview it after 1 line.
B. He did not provide any analysis, despite his claim that he was preparing one.

Do you not think that is enough reasoning for a vote from somebody who has only read 2 pages of the game (the first and the last)?

BM

[Battle Mage]

A) He might not be particualrly good at BBcode, and was trying it out.

He might. But there again, he MIGHT be making an extra special effort to make his posts look good because he is scum.

B) Um, hai thar. This is real life calling. Some of us do stuff in it, y'know?

Your single reason for a vote isn't something scummy, it's a null-tell, and it's stretching heavily.

Why are you so scared of letting people answer for themselves?
It's not like we have loads of time to kill. We have a deadline in 72 hours, in case you hadn't noticed. Real life can damn well wait!

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM: there are plenty of better lynches today. If you want to persue Darox, go for it, but it may end up being a wasted vote, today at least.

It's a perfectly acceptable vote for the moment. Maybe if you stop arguing the toss, i can start reading, and then get a better impression of the game?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote

[Battle Mage]

Crazy and knight are lovers. Only one of them should have votes.

Sorry, but given my analysis so far: Rofl.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Kloud

I currently have no read on either candidate today, and i'm 99% certain of the guilt of another pair, and simply due to where they have voted, i think Kloud is the best play.

I'll keep reading, and see if i can see anything to give me a better indication before deadline.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Actually,

Unvote

.

Reading page 12, that was REALLY dumb.

BM

[Battle Mage]

It's probably too late, but i'll

Vote: Cerebus

based on the fact that Kloud and Dybeck give me a mild townie vibe, while Cerebus is pretty neutral. It's really all i can call between them without reading their partners.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Crazy

Does it really get more obvious than this?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also: HP, please, for hte love of God, if you are town (which I highly doubt) post a decent defence, or at least accuse someone else rather turtling. You're being so overly defensive it's hard to imagine you as anything but scum right now.

Also:

FoS: BM

for complete and utter failure to present any case whatsoever with his Vote on my sweetheart. Explain.

Lol, this is mere OMGUS i take it? Or are you seriously assuming i have no case for a vote which is not shared with anyone else? You somehow imagine that i expect to get another 10 people to join me in this lynch, without any reasoning? Give me a break.

To be frank, i don't think a 'case' as such is entirely necessary. Just about everyone here should have some sort of awareness of the case on Crazy. Anyone who doesn't, needs to be shot.

I'll post my analysis thus far, but if it's all the same, i'd like to hear from

Pwnz

first.

You aren't in immediate danger of lynch, so you can quit with the Mr. Defensive impersonation. And you can use some manners when you talk to me. Thanks.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I give respect to those who earn it. You have yet to do so.

That's funny. I tend to differentiate between respect and common courtesy. The latter of which, you are lacking with me. Your mother would be ashamed!
Do you feel your knee-jerk, aggressive reaction is going to sit well with the town?

BM - until you actually post a case, yes, I'm assuming you don't have one.

So, can you repeat this just for the benefit of everyone else?
You think i am scum, who comes out of the blocks with a lone vote, with no case whatsoever? A reasonable, protown person, would ofc, ASK for a case to be presented. It's only somebody so desperate to avoid confronting their scumminess that i would expect to be so anxious to deny the existence of one.

Ah what am i saying. For a minute there, i almost forgot that your opinion doesn't matter to me. rofl!

Also, the so-called "Crazy case" is more than likely to be a re-hash of all the bull-crap which was explained pretty damn well D1.

Maybe it is. Especially given i haven't read the entire game yet. But then, if the case has no merit, you don't have anything to worry about, do you?

BM

[Battle Mage]

need replacement, can't keep up, apologies to adel

*facepalm*

before you go, can you give your opinion on Crazy? Just scummy/not scummy will be fine.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Armix, I didn't catch this the first time around or think much of it, but how is crazy confirmed town?

Reread how he caught icemanE.

This will have to be REALLY good...
Can you be a little more specific?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Just read Crazy's scumtell plan and the subsequent reaction of Iceman.

link? page reference?

BM

[Battle Mage]

But, the Mod had announced in thread that an additional pm had been sent. To this end, Iceman was effectively outted by his attack on Crazy, but this is far from conclusive that Crazy himself is town.

Next!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Walt, who is your buddy?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Mod, please Prod Pwnz.

BM

pwnz has asked for replacement. - Mod.

[Battle Mage]

Mod, please Prod Pwnz.

BM

Fail.

Are you even reading this game?

I am. Are you? Your buddy requested replacement after being asked a rather important question. What part of this are you having trouble with?

BM

[Battle Mage]

The mod stated in the vote count that Pwnz was being replaced.

And? I dont see a rule that says he cant post in the meantime. Adel- sort it please. Or maybe you can answer the question for him from your discussion?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Now the awesome thing is, I can't be called scum and insulted at the same time. When someone is insulting my intelligence here, they're actually calling me pro-town! When someone is calling me scum, they're actually complimenting me!

Yay! Too bad pwnz had to be replaced.

lol, you consider it a compliment when someone tells you that you play as textbook scum?



BM

[Battle Mage]

LyALu, and 'cause Crazy tole' me to.

unvote; Vote: ThAdmiral

You're playing this 'we're protown lovers' thing a bit too bad dontcha think? Methinks thou doth protest too much.

BM

[Battle Mage]

1) What, you don't ever agree with your lover?
2) To be honest, ThAd/DBE and cerebus/HP are both fairly good lynches, IMHO.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

1. Irrelevant- You claimed you were voting simply because Crazy had, which is inherently poor. Do you always vote for the same person as some other player, just because they are confirmed town? Do you really trust Crazy's judgement as much as/more than your own?

BM

[Battle Mage]

will get to this properly tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

TS, i assume you are aware that there are only 2 wolves left, and that this is a game of pairs. As such, you might wanna look at pairs, as opposed to individuals? Just a thought...

Also, here's my thoughts so far. I figure if we are gonna move this day along, i should post this now so we can discuss:

Crazy really stinks. Cephrir is not Wolf-scum. I'm undecided on Charter atm. I'm not 100% on Adel's 'secret scumtell' thing. If my suspicion is right, i really don't see what the big fuss is about. Opposed Force is almost certainly town. Not JUST because Adel said he was scum.
Yeh, i'm pretty sure Crazy is scum. 113 makes me think Cephrir is probably town. Cerebus and Charter vouch for Iceman. I’m not sure whether Crazy is likely Wolf-scum. Post 162 stands in favour, and post 163 stands against. 177=yuck. Crazy is too scummy for words. 0.o
180 by Charter just blew my mind.

Explanation?

SleepyPanda gives me a mild town-vibe. 192 gets a big ROFL.

Vote: Crazy

Anything else would be criminal. Also, Adel as a potential scumbuddy?
220 by Harvey Pew is vaguely scummy. Sekinj gives me town vibes. In post 250, Pwnz makes the greatest observation of the game, when he references post 147, in which Iceman reveals knowledge of Crazy and Farside being lovers.

Confirm Vote: Crazy

264 is classic martyr talk, which really makes sense in the context of Iceman’s distancing. 303 by Thadmiral doesn’t sit well with me.

Now can somebody tell me why Crazy isn't dead yet? 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Now can somebody tell me why Crazy isn't dead yet? 0.o

He's confirmed town.

Lol.

No, really. This isn't the time for joking around now buddy. Does anyone have anything relevant to add before we string him up?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Now can somebody tell me why Crazy isn't dead yet? 0.o

He's confirmed town.

Lol.

No, really. This isn't the time for joking around now buddy. Does anyone have anything relevant to add before we string him up?

BM

Okay, seriously, either provide some decent evidence for this vendetta, or shut up. We're town, I don't know what you are, but you're doing yourself no favours by attacking a pair of townies so relentlessly.

Ooh, i'm quaking in my boots. Simply put, in case you genuinely havent been reading, i'm pretty damn sure you are scum. If you arent, ill happily take the repercussions. But if you really want me to take you seriously, either respond to the points ive made, or shut up and let the grown-ups talk.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, if you'll read past post 300 you'll see why we think he's town. I don't see him as completely confirmed, though.

I dont get it. And me reading that far might be a long-shot, so if you can explain succinctly now, that'd be helpful.

BM

[Battle Mage]

well i would apologise for my absence, but it seems i havent missed much. No Lover, No response to my accusation on Crazy/KoC. *cries*

BM

[Battle Mage]

Does sleepypanda know that TS is DGB and that DGB is the ruler of insanity, chaos, and Alaska?

In other news,

Unvote: Cephrir

DGB is the future president? rofl.

*commits suicide*

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm beginning to think that Harvey is scum that's given up.

No, I'm town that has given up.

join the club.

BM

[Battle Mage]

well i would apologise for my absence, but it seems i havent missed much. No Lover, No response to my accusation on Crazy/KoC. *cries*

BM

This is where i'm at. I dont see alot of point me continuing reading when you're the only person who knows i'm here, and you're not being totally helpful.

BM

[Battle Mage]

People will take you more seriously when you're read through and see the same picture we see. Your case on Crazy is perceived as lacking because you don't have the same amount of info we have, and is thus ignored. If you want yourself heard you should acknowledge the reasons we think Crazy is innocent despite his odd behavior early in the game, but it appears you don't even know them yet.

Maybe i'd be able to acknowledge them, if they were specifically addressed to me. Telling me to read the thread is 1 thing, but rarely does a cursory glance at every single post tell you everything you need to know. This is why rereading is no substitute for being around for the whole game. That's why i'd like a specific part area pointed out to me, because clearly it is not the entire thread that you are referring to, and i dont really want to do the whole needle-haystack routine.

BM

[Battle Mage]

helpful.

[Battle Mage]

It's not a haysack, it's a game you chose to replace into and I believe it's every replacement's duty to first and foremost go through the trouble of reading the thread. There are some non Crazy-related stuff in there you may find important as well, you know.

My role is to find scum. I've found it. As far as i can see, i've made a damn good start. Now, i've given my reasoning, and it's the turn of those who disagree to explain WHY.

BM

[Battle Mage]

It's not a haysack, it's a game you chose to replace into and I believe it's every replacement's duty to first and foremost go through the trouble of reading the thread. There are some non Crazy-related stuff in there you may find important as well, you know.

My role is to find scum. I've found it. As far as i can see, i've made a damn good start. Now, i've given my reasoning, and it's the turn of those who disagree to explain WHY.

BM

or you could whine some more. Really, how can you find scum without reading the thread?

Because i've read enough to know that Crazy and KoC are scum?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Neko- did you miss this?

TS, i assume you are aware that there are only 2 wolves left, and that this is a game of pairs. As such, you might wanna look at pairs, as opposed to individuals? Just a thought...

Also, here's my thoughts so far. I figure if we are gonna move this day along, i should post this now so we can discuss:

Crazy really stinks. Cephrir is not Wolf-scum. I'm undecided on Charter atm. I'm not 100% on Adel's 'secret scumtell' thing. If my suspicion is right, i really don't see what the big fuss is about. Opposed Force is almost certainly town. Not JUST because Adel said he was scum.
Yeh, i'm pretty sure Crazy is scum. 113 makes me think Cephrir is probably town. Cerebus and Charter vouch for Iceman. I’m not sure whether Crazy is likely Wolf-scum. Post 162 stands in favour, and post 163 stands against. 177=yuck. Crazy is too scummy for words. 0.o
180 by Charter just blew my mind.

Explanation?

SleepyPanda gives me a mild town-vibe. 192 gets a big ROFL.

Vote: Crazy

Anything else would be criminal. Also, Adel as a potential scumbuddy?
220 by Harvey Pew is vaguely scummy. Sekinj gives me town vibes. In post 250, Pwnz makes the greatest observation of the game, when he references post 147, in which Iceman reveals knowledge of Crazy and Farside being lovers.

Confirm Vote: Crazy

264 is classic martyr talk, which really makes sense in the context of Iceman’s distancing. 303 by Thadmiral doesn’t sit well with me.

Now can somebody tell me why Crazy isn't dead yet? 0.o

BM

BM

[Battle Mage]

...and that's what my D4 case on BM will start with.
Anyone who votes and says "I don't need to provide a case - it's obvious, surely?" is not helping the town. That and I really don't suit suicide. It's just not my thing. Self-harming, yes, going all the way? Heck no.

your case on me will start with the fact that i havent posted any reasoning for you and Crazy to be scum, despite the fact i have done so on two occassions- one of which is helpfully in the post above?



BM

[Battle Mage]

meh, sorry about recent inactivity. will get to this game soon hopefully!

BM

[Battle Mage]

All.

Wanna do a random dice roll to see who goes first, then popcorn?

Everyone except thead/dbe, bm/clock, and dar/star have replied yes and Darox already posted his daytalk a few weeks back. So all he needs to do is add the date, times and whats been written since. So I think it's pretty much agreed we should proceed.

Please include this information... Post number, Day, Time, Author, paraphrased daytalk. For example only:

1.) Sept 1 9:00am WWB - I ask RR why he has not taken out the garbage, why he has not fixed the sink, and why he never sends me flowers anymore.
2.) Sept 2 10:00pm RR - Says hes going to watch the football game and wants me to bring him a beer and shut my mouth.

As far as order, I don't think it matters. It is going to take some people longer than others. I think we should all just start posting it when we finish. I think how quickly it is put together will be a tell as well.

rofl. Has my daytalk been posted yet?

BM

[Battle Mage]

0.o Jesus christ....
I go away for a few days, and suddenly we're at Day 5, with 77 pages, and most worrying of all- KoC and Crazy are not dead yet. -.-

I'll try and get up to speed now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Charter is being even more defensive, yes, and offering terrible appeals to emotion, yes, but BM/CWR are pretty much confirmed scum and should be priority lynch in my eyes. I've yet to see any good reason offered as to why a townie replacement would need to reread before paraphrasing daytalk. Also, I've yet to see anyone even disagree that they're scum!!!

vote: BM

What? when did i reread before paraphrasing daytalk? As far as i can recall, i've done neither to this point.
And why would nobody disagreeing that somebody is scum be a point in favour of them being scum? In a game like this, opportunism is a necessary for the scum to win.
You then go on to attack my top suspect, claiming at the same time that he is likely town? wtf?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think we shoudl vote the scummiest each day. I don't think "clearing the thread" is a noble enough cause that it can bump one pair up over another that is scummier. We can lynch the scummiest today (IMO BM), and then if charter is still the scummiest tomorrow, we can lynch him tomorrow. But I don't think we shoudl lynch a less scummy person today just because they are annoying or whatever.

vote: BM

Again, would somebody deign to explain to me why i'm being wagonned here?

BM

[Battle Mage]

on the assumption that our daytalk hasnt been posted yet, i just requested a link to it from the mod.

[Battle Mage]

BM - if your next post isn't paraphrase daytalk, you guarantee my vote moving back to you. 'Nuff said.

and I'm not sure if he will post again anyway.

lol. Again see my posting history. Do you really think i'm risking replacement in ALL of my games, and neglecting the game i am modding, in order to build an elaborate meta for this game? -.-

I'll paraphrase daytalk in my next post.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Right, sorry about the delay.

Post 1: Mod welcomes EA and SSF to quicktopic.
Post 2: EA says he recieved the link, and asks where SSF is.
Post 3: SSF says hello, and claims that secret scumtell is probably fabricated.
Post 4: EA bollocks SSF for acting scummy.
Post 5: Mod announces that I'm replacing SSF.
Post 6: I say hi, and comment on what i'd read so far. Finding Adel scummy at this point.
Post 7: I ask whether we have claimed yet.
Post 8: I request prod on EA.
Post 9: I rant aggressively about him not talking to me.
Post 10: Mod announces ClockworkRuse is replacing EA.
Post 11: ClockworkRuse asks me for help catching up, rather than reading 60 pages.
Post 12: Clockworkruse asks where i am.
Post 13: Clockworkruse gets angry at me.
Post 14: I come back and bitch about him criticising my activity (this was after he dropped off the face of the earth)
Post 15: I ask why he hasnt been replaced yet.

That's it. Exciting stuff eh? -.-

Will catch up later.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM - is that it? really?

yes. Thats why i had to get the mod to send me a link to it lol. After a certain point, i just gave up checking it.

Can i quote the times and dates in their current format?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay, here's what I'm thinking: why did BM need to be sent teh link by the mod? As a town replacement, I was sent the link to mine and Crazy's daytalk as soon as I replaced in, and bookmarked it to make sure. Was there some discontinuity between scum and town PMs, in that scum were sent TWO daytalk links - one for team, and one for their lover and them alone?

This may be different to your idea, Walt, but this intrigues me.

I dont use the Watched Topics feature of the site. I dont have any mafia related things on favourites. My inbox is normally bordering on full, and finding stuff is a nightmare if it isnt recent. Bearing in mind how long ago i replaced into the game, and how many pms ive recieved since then, its hardly surprising that i didnt bother looking.

Are you really claiming that there is a scumtell based upon speculation that perhaps the manner in which the Mod sent links is broken, when in reality, if scum had 2 links, they are just as likely to 'bookmark' both as a townie is to bookmark 1.

I'm really not impressed.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Post 1: 08-03-2008 09:42 PM ET (US)
Post 2: 08-06-2008 01:41 AM ET (US)
Post 3: 08-08-2008 10:44 AM ET (US)
Post 4: 08-20-2008 12:18 AM ET (US)
Post 5: 08-29-2008 12:13 AM ET (US)
Post 6: 08-29-2008 09:16 AM ET (US)
Post 7: 08-29-2008 10:31 AM ET (US)
Post 8: 08-30-2008 01:19 PM ET (US)
Post 9: 08-31-2008 11:01 AM ET (US)
Post 10: 09-11-2008 11:48 PM ET (US) (by this point, i'd long lost the link to the QT)
Post 11: 09-16-2008 09:41 PM ET (US
Post 12: 09-22-2008 09:39 PM ET (US)
Post 13: 09-25-2008 12:06 PM ET (US)
Post 14: 10-01-2008 03:58 AM ET (US)
Post 15: 10-04-2008 09:59 AM ET (US)

BM

[Battle Mage]

In my mind, Crazy-KoC are scum. It's fairly obvious to me. What unnerves me is, i can see them making it to the end unless they are nipped in the bud now. I won't be voting for anyone else today.

Who is Charter partnered with?

BM

[Battle Mage]

No, he's just pursuing a ruthless, pointless vendetta against myself and Crazy because he hasn't got a leg to stand on in his own defence.

crazy pointed out to the mod that toaster strudel had broken the rules, leading to his death.
That and the fact that everyone keeps saying he's confirmed town, when he's not.

Following the rules =/= scumtell.
Other people calling us "as good as confirmed town" =/= scumtell.

I suggest, ThAd, you find a case with some actual evidence behind it.

So you think, if you are confirmed town, it is scummy to be attacking you? Please explain.

And i fail to see what i'm meant to be defending against. There is no case for lynching me at this point. Maybe if you weren't fabricating false-dilemmas to make me seem scummy, people might take you seriously. Hell, you might even remove the doubts that some of us have about your alignment-because it isn't just me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

sad way to go really.