Open 86 - Lovers Multiball (Game Over)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Massclaim

Reading up now, would anyone care to give me the gist of things, other than this massclaim plan?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Why aren't you asking your lover? After all, that is the only person who you can be sure of their alignment.

I am, but unfortunately Crazy doesn't seem to be around right now.
I'm on Page 20 now, should have my first meaningful post soon.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Okay, I really don't like Adel, what with the whole flip-flop on the masslcaim/scumtell thing - at least, it looks like a flip-flip to me. I don't have time for mroe analysis right now, will do a proper one next post.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Charter = too pedantic

I will change "the most vocal" to "person who the most people are paying attention to due to what she is saying".

You can never be too pedantic in a Mafia game. as Adel (?) mentioned earlier on, it's pedanticism and nit-picking that grab those little slip-ups that un-mask scum. Calling someone too pedantic is basically saying "stop looking at my posts!"

And did it occur to you that, despite my faint niggle about Adel that I can't put down to anything but a minor dislike of town-leaders, Adel is actually making more sense than your annoying, worthless and frankly scummy one-liners?

Vote:ThAdmiral

J'accuse!

[Knight of Cydonia]

Also: what Adel wagon? It hit two votes at most so far today. Yesterday, it got a little bigger before the lynch, then shrank nearer to deadline, but it never looked like being a lynching wagon. Why would you feel the need to implya wagon that was never there, other than to defame those few who did vote Adel?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think you misunderstand me. I am a fan of adel.
And while you're right about paying close attention, it can also go the other way with making mountains out of molehills.

I never said you weren't. I said you were trying to use the two votes on Adel to create a wagon out of a toy car, and use said wagon as evidence against those two voters.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Precisely the point I was making.
Walt - when you do catch up, can you give us an LoS, or a top 3 suspects? would be nice to know who you're thinking about.

*sigh* I guess if everybody wants to claim...

my lover is darla. (She has dazzling eyes by the way)

she's on L/A but says she'll do a big post when she gets back.

Um, so what if everyone wants to claim? You don't necessarily have to - indeed, if Darla is on L/A, why not wait until you can talk it over with her, and decide whether or not to claim each other? If you really didn't want to claim lover, you could easily have just not done so - with the recent proliferation of claims, you'd probably be outed anyway, assuming no-one is lying.

[Knight of Cydonia]

With the recent proliferation of claims, you'd probably be outed anyway, assuming no-one is lying.

There won't be any lying. There is no possible benefit to mis-claiming for the town.

True, but our Mafia pairs know who each other are, and so could swap Lovers.
I can't see the point, but it's possible.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Until DBE returns, I'm wondering about ThAdmiral and DBE as a pair, actually.
If DBE returns and confirms that, my unease will be assauged, but... I dunno. I can't see much that would link them in posting, really.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Also (apologies for double posting) but Adel's town-steering doesn't exactly engender confidence in me (although it's more a mixture of gut, the minor flip-flop which can be explained - but so can a lot of scum tells - and a bone-deep mistrust of anyone who leads the town), and coupled with pwnz, who has been... interesting, shall we say? It's not a coupling I'd be happy with late game.

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I'm not saying he's scummy in any way, other than the fact he's been unhelpful. That's an anti-town play, sure, but it might not necessarily be scum-tell. It just makes me a little wary - it almost looks as if Adel has been deliberately trying to distance from pwnz, which could be part of why she was initially against the mass-claim. Town-lovers should have no reason to distance from each other, claim or no claim, so... it's interesting.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm thinking ThAdmiral Scum could maybe have swapped lovers with the other Mafia pair, although I can't imagine why. I'm not accusing on that point, I'd merely be happier to see DBE confirm when her L/A is over.

unvote; Vote pwnz

Out of all those currently not participating, I want you to get out here and explain everything, please.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Play-style distancing - pwnz has been unhelpful, slightly lurking, bandwagoned, etc.
Adel has generally started wagons rather than joined them, been vocal and visibly helpful.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Whatever you say honey. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one.

Cephrir: ever heard of WIFOM?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Calling it a scum-tell which a decent enough wagon was waiting for, whilst doing it yourself? This was pre-massclaim, of course.

[Knight of Cydonia]

pwnz... *sigh* I feel sorry for Adel.

[Knight of Cydonia]

This game is as dead as Gary Glitter's career.
All those not currently voting, please at least make one decent post summarising who you suspect and why - DBE, I know you have L/A, but try, y'know?

[Knight of Cydonia]

*sigh* I feel sorry for Adel.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

I feel sorry for you, because now you're TOTALLY GONNA DIE LOLZOR!!

But in all seriousness, I'm still at work, kloud, so hopefully I will get some time tonight to address your suspicions.

Just because I post like I'm on NeoGAF doesn't make me useless.

Yes it does. Also, do you want to put a case with that, or chalk it up to OMGUS?

[Knight of Cydonia]

So, according to OF, Crazy and I are scum because Crazy agrees with Adel, and wanted Adel to help get you lynched. Which is a sly way of implicating Adel as well.
Now, I'm bowing to lover ^ boy here on this, I don't like Adel and pwnz much, for town-leading and annoyingness/anti-town respectively, but to me it looks like you're trying to leap onto a wagon that's already stopped, OF.
Also, that bolded section isn't a contradiction, OF.
I think Crazy was trying to say: "This is why I'm voting for OF, Adel has her own reasons, which she should probably explain." I might be wrong there, but that's how I read it.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote; Vote OpposingForce

What a pile of lies and crap. wolf must be kicking himself, or more likely you, in your daytalk.

[Knight of Cydonia]

It was thinking out loud more than anything, DBE. Glad to know you're not quite dead yet.

[Knight of Cydonia]

RR - it's just an eye, blinking. Calm down. The OF case is that he appears to be deliberately misinterpreting Crazy's posts in order to try and jump on what could be percieved as an easy wagon, if it hadn't already broken down yesterday.

[Knight of Cydonia]

It's a fair point there HP, but it's not as scummy as OF is striking me right now.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Thank god for that. I expect some bloody good posting from you Darox, you got a lot of crap, mostly from your lover, to explain.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Do you think I'm scum as well then Darox?
Why do you find my honey-bubble scummy? [/gooey-eyes]

[Knight of Cydonia]

Basically, OF is deliberately misinterpreting Crazy's posts in particular, and is trying to jump onto a wagon that already died yesterday. His case makes sense, right up until you read the posts before and after those he "creatively interprets".

[Knight of Cydonia]

It's not that he was trying to start a wagon again, it's just the fact he was using almost entirely the same evidence as from the original wagon - most of which can be fairly dismissed as already having been explained away, or just plain bullcrap.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...You're kidding me, right? You're voting him because he accidentally mis-submitted? Grasping, much?

[Knight of Cydonia]

A) He might not be particualrly good at BBcode, and was trying it out.
B) Um, hai thar. This is real life calling. Some of us do stuff in it, y'know?

Your single reason for a vote isn't something scummy, it's a null-tell, and it's stretching heavily.

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BM: there are plenty of better lynches today. If you want to persue Darox, go for it, but it may end up being a wasted vote, today at least.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Darox, I'd appreciate it if you put vour vote down, even if you only give a concise reasoning behind it. with 61 hours left, there is on reason for anyone to not be voting.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Let me paraphrase that for you, armlx:
"I like creating a deadlock with so little time till deadline!"

[Knight of Cydonia]

...Fair enough, I suppose.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Unfortunately, Adel, it also gives the scum a chance to save OF. Those three wagons are all fairly well based, so scum could get on any of them with good reasoning.

[Knight of Cydonia]

RR + sekinj have swayed me. That is an incredible amount of flip-flop.

unvote; Vote Cerebus

[Knight of Cydonia]

So now unless HP + cerebus can drum up more support, they'll be lynched in about 36 (?) hours time. I'm down with that. I will have L/A for the next two days, I will post, but nowhere near as frequently.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Post 1: votes crazy, goes after him about the adel scumtell thing
Post 3: unvotes crazy, says he misread
Post 5: says ice is townie, votes crazy again
Post 9: “Crazy is so full of shit right now I fear for the next toilet that he encounters.”
Post 15: dilemma about crazy knowing/not knowing the scum tell
Post 16: votes fire
Post 17: says he agrees with ice
Post 18: unvotes fire
Post 20: “I think the firestarter/IcemanE lynch is the right move”
(Then on Day 2 Cerebus has spent his time trying to defend his D1 posts)

It is just amazing to me how much cere’s opinion change from post to post. Look especially at his voting patterns. Also, in this huge game he has made a total of 29 posts. Talk about active lurking. He seems to only come back to place a vote, a vote that is opposite of where ever he was previously.

I read back, and it's all good.

[Knight of Cydonia]

IcemanE is fitting with my townie read on him I have at the moment. Still tentative though.

I dont think crazy knows what the scum tell is. If there even is one, this game is open, so town have no information the scum don't.

vote: crazy

[quote="cerebus]
I read through, but I don't really have much to say.

I think the firestarter/IcemanE lynch is the right move.

Darla putting IcemanE at L-1 while conversation is still going strong is noted.

I see what erratus is saying about Alabaska.

Anything else I forgot about that people want me to comment on?
[/quote]

Flip-flop.

And I did skim, but you're right. I asume sekinj mis-numbered, unless it was deliberate fabrication... explain, sekinj, or I'm looking really hard at you. I think Cerebus is a wolf, and I wouldn't put it past sekinj and adel to be mafia now going by this incredible bit of bullcrap, which instantly makes me think - LAL.

[Knight of Cydonia]

EBWOP:

I read through, but I don't really have much to say.

I think the firestarter/IcemanE lynch is the right move.

Darla putting IcemanE at L-1 while conversation is still going strong is noted.

I see what erratus is saying about Alabaska.

Anything else I forgot about that people want me to comment on?

[Knight of Cydonia]

From earlier - I meant Sekinj/neko. I was reading daytalk whilst posting, and early on in the game me and crazy were specualting (pre-claim) that sekinj and adel could be lovers.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote: HP

Still scummiest, IMHO, and I'm not happy that kloud was lynched. after HP and cere, I'd be more than happy to look at the last couple of votes on kloud, as they don't look like much more than "me too" mentality. Also: sekinj, are you going to explain that apparent fabrication of evidence? because while the rest was sound, LAL, y'know?

[Knight of Cydonia]

sekinj - in your PbPA of HP, you stated that he unvoted in his Post 18. He didn't. Explain?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Also: HP, please, for hte love of God, if you are town (which I highly doubt) post a decent defence, or at least accuse someone else rather turtling. You're being so overly defensive it's hard to imagine you as anything but scum right now.

Also:

FoS: BM

for complete and utter failure to present any case whatsoever with his Vote on my sweetheart. Explain.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I give respect to those who earn it. You have yet to do so.

BM - until you actually post a case, yes, I'm assuming you don't have one. Also, the so-called "Crazy case" is more than likely to be a re-hash of all the bull-crap which was explained pretty damn well D1.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Well, I'm obviously not happy that we lynched town, but to be honest, I think the lynch was more based on null-tells, and that there were far more scummy pairs, cerebus and HP being the main one, that would have been far better lynch candidates.

Also, this rather bugs me:

I'm manipulating the lynches to give me more to go on in later days.

I don't doubt you're manipulating the lynches - it seems incredible, but as soon as Adel's vote went on kloud, the kloud wagon gained support and overtook the cerebus wagon. There is a point where town leaders become dangerous and misleading, especially when I find them as unexplainably

nrrrgh

as Adel.

The fact Pwnz has been playing lurker scum ever since attention dropped off him annoys me as well - it's almost a perfect scum-pair of contrasts: one loud, vocal, leader scum, and another who remains quiet and stays in the background.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You had a choice, as scum: you could either both vote kloud, and make sure his wagon over took yours, or you could lurk and appeal to emotion, and hope people forget about you and are swayed by a bunch of null-tells dressed up as scum-tells.
Of course, being under such pressure already, you knew you couldn't resort to option 1, simply because it would be interpreted as what it was - scum pushing any wagon other than their own - and when kloud/Alabaska flipped town, you would have been up for the next lynch in short order.
So you settled for option 2, which came with it's own caveats - firstly, that a good few players would note that you were keeping low towards the end, and that you were appealing to emotion more than anything else. And, of course, the fact that however much it might be an improvement over you pushing the wagon personally, when kloud and ala flipped town, you would still be top of many people's lists.

So yes, I'd say that for you, it was an obvious choice between personally pushing the wagon, or laying low and hoping it would grow quickly enough of it's own accord.

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Are you ever going to post anything mroe than un-related comments and appeals to emotion?

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I'm making a hell of a lot mroe sense than you are riht now, Harvey.
There's a difference between what you've posted as "quotes" from me, and what you're doing. Those "emotional" excerpts are surrounded by far more logical thinking than you've managed all game. Desperate, much?

[Knight of Cydonia]

The issue isn't whether or not Crazy and I are confirmed town or not: the issue is the fact that after an incredibly scummy D2, HP has continued to post meaningless appeals to emotion and cases based on vague, random, meaningless "quotes".
That's a hell of a bigger scum-tell than Crazy being a bit stupid.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Actually, I'd say it's charter + lover(soon enough) jumping on the HP + cerebus(soon, I expect) hopeful wagon on me and Crazy. I smell something lupine in the air.
I don't feel the need to defend us against completely unfounded accusations, based on a pile of appeals to emotion and accusations founded on something which has been explained pretty bloody well and dismissed D1. Basing a case on that scum-tell is more scummy, IMHO - it looks as if you're trying to dig up any old wagon in an act of desperate self-preservation.

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Erratus: it was the speed of change, and the sudden unvoting. I would expect someone that certain of innocence, or that Crazy had made up the tell, to take a while to be brought around. He moved too quickly for my liking.

[Knight of Cydonia]

LyALu, and 'cause Crazy tole' me to.

unvote; Vote: ThAdmiral

[Knight of Cydonia]

1) What, you don't ever agree with your lover?
2) To be honest, ThAd/DBE and cerebus/HP are both fairly good lynches, IMHO.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yes, BM, I do trust Crazy. I also agree with Crazy, and would put my preferred lynch-list something like this:
ThAd/DBE - picked something of ThAd's up towards the end of yesterday:

I have the feeling the mafia will be able to easily avoid being lynched via the three way tie.

we'll see though.

Wow, could this have been more obvious?
cerebus/HP (a VERY close second - both these top two should be lynched, IMHO)
OF/Darox (lingering suspicions from D1 +2 on OF, and a woozy forboding feeling in my gut about Darox)
Erratus/BM - I spotted this, also late D2 -

It's probably too late, but i'll Vote: Cerebus based on the fact that Kloud and Dybeck give me a mild townie vibe, while Cerebus is pretty neutral. It's really all i can call between them without reading their partners.

You voted Cerebus because you had a null-read on him? Why? Why didn't you put your vote somewhere else, even if only to state that you didn't agree with either lynch? That earns you a spot on... THE LIST.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Now can somebody tell me why Crazy isn't dead yet? 0.o

He's confirmed town.

Lol.

No, really. This isn't the time for joking around now buddy. Does anyone have anything relevant to add before we string him up?

BM

Okay, seriously, either provide some decent evidence for this vendetta, or shut up. We're town, I don't know what you are, but you're doing yourself no favours by attacking a pair of townies so relentlessly.

I can't account for Raging Rabbits voting habits.

Does anyone remember a post Adel made a while back about those tiny slips that give scum away? Yeah? See this.

[Knight of Cydonia]

neko summarised my Darox point perfectly.
People need to stop following Adel's opinion on everything - that much pull in the hands of one player is dangerous.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Adel seems to be the principal force behind most of our hammers - Adel joins the wagon, then two or three votes finish it or put it beyond doubt.
By opinion, I mean vote. People seem to think a wagon with the Adel seal of approval must be good.

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Crazy, I'm genuinely hurt by that. Just for that, I'm going to be extra rough tonight.
The RR case is interesting, but... I dunno. I need thinkin' juice.

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Adel - you always manage to be the L-3/4 vote on a lynch. People follow you to teh lynch, IME. You express a strong opinion every time you vote, I would hope - if you don't strongly believe someone to be scum, don't vote them.
I think I did answer them, but I'll do it again, since you seem determined to never read more than the last 5 posts.

I like the can of worms I've opened though. I think there's some scum in there. RR, maybe. Adel, unlikely, but IGMEOY. Walt Wishbone... that's a lot of aggro.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Walt, you've made this game more confusing than explaining to my little sister exactly why the LHC was never going to kill us all.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Don't you mean "lists with me at top aren't helping us stay out of the way. Please stop!"

[Knight of Cydonia]

*sigh* ThAd has clearly done enough to escape the rest of the town's eyes today... a true advert for lurking in plain sight and barely posting.
I was happy with an HP lynch yesterday, and I could still go for one now. ThAd, DBE, IGMEOY.

unvote; vote Harvey Pew

[Knight of Cydonia]

So sayeth the mafia.
"Don't look for scum, just look at the people vaguely linked with Fire and Ice!"

[Knight of Cydonia]

And if I may:

4. Why is RR's case against you "weak and reaching"? Examples from his big case post, with quote evidence, would be appreciated.

[Knight of Cydonia]

All wagons are against town until BM jumps on them.
Then they're definitely either against town, or maybe bussing.

[Knight of Cydonia]

6 hours till deadline is a bit late to try and basically start a whole new wagon, charter. I'm very happy with my HP vote, and I see no reason to change it. BM can wait till tomorrow.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...and that's what my D4 case on BM will start with.
Anyone who votes and says "I don't need to provide a case - it's obvious, surely?" is not helping the town. That and I really don't suit suicide. It's just not my thing. Self-harming, yes, going all the way? Heck no.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Hmmm... RR for buddying and some fairly iffy play, or BM for pointing at posts and calling them scummy and saying "yuck" without any explanation of why those posts were scummy, and then calling that a case, or, outsider, Darox because I'm still curious about why he said he felt no need to explain RR's voting, when they're not lovers. I still think it may have been a slip, especially with RR looking worser and worser.

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It's somewhere back there, yes. I did bring it up a little later, when I first saw it, but it seemed to get glomped by the HP wagon.

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Yeah... to be honest, after yesterday, I can go with this. The only thing stopping me was wanting to sound out people about what I percieved to be a slip by Darox.

Vote: Battle Mage

[Knight of Cydonia]

He's going to look into how teams are voting? Well duh, I can tell you about that now: most teams will have voted together. He will pick one team that has consistently gotten onto both wagons about L-4 or 3, and call them scum.
Ngggh... I don't like BM at all, and the fact he calls BM town and says he can't see the massive leaps of faith BM is expecting us to make by taking his "Icky" for it...

unvote; Vote ThAdmiral

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Really? Blimey, pacman must have been the worst lover ever. No sweet-talk, just the rough stuff.

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Aye. Once everyone's daytalk is up, we can look at it properly.
I reckon it might have been an idea to get both lovers to post it - just to look at the differences in their phrasing. Just a thought. Probably too much like spam though.

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Sorry for double post:

Posting this in all my games - I will almost certainly be unable to post between the 22nd and 26th, as I'm on a field trip. The hotel may have WiFi, but it's uncertain.
I'd like to stay in, but I can understand if you want to replace.

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CWR, combined with my suspicion of BM for trying to force through a wagon on me and Crazy based on posts that had little or no content that could be taken as scummy, if you don't post daytalk soon, I'm going to be back on BM sharpish.

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Okay, you know what, I'm absent for 5 days possibly, so I'm going to put my

unvote; Vote Battle Mage

down anyway, because I'm comfortable now because surely copying and pping your day-talk shouldn't take this long?
And if it is, quite frankly, I was happy enough with a BM lynch before I looked elsewhere.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm staying on the BM wagon - i feel it's stronger - but this is an interesting line of discussion.

[Knight of Cydonia]

The daytalk thread of four people will be much different then the daytalk thread of two people because it will be fabricated. So the content as well as the little things, like days and times will show who has forged their daytalk and who has been honest.

Question, walt: how do you know that scum have four-way day-talk only?
AFAIR, that was never mentioned in the scum role PM that destructor provided a sample of.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Sorry, missed that.

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Because armlx sez, lol

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Apparently, sheep make jokes.
And for the record, charter, calling me a sheep when I (think) I'm still on the slowly dying BM wagon is not just hypocrisy, it's an attempt to set me up if you do manage to get armlx lynched and he flips town - because then the argument would change to "clearly KoC was bussing, and now that it fits my purpose, I'll bring all this crap about Crazy that was already cleared up back into play".
I would prefer a BM lynch, but you would probably be number 2 on my list, and I could live with your lynch.

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unvote; Vote charter

On the promise of a BM lynch tomorrow, or else.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Okay, hang on a second - inconsistency in Adel's daytalk, here:

Adel
you missed a coulple of questions that other asked of you.
This might be a good time to bail off of the Crazy wagon.
What players do you have suspicions of right now?

Then:

Adel
perfect excuse to jump off of the crazy wagon!
I don't remember. they were quite a few pages back. you probably don't have to worry about them.
I'm not totally sold on the firestarter wagon. I think I'm going to flip between tossign fuel on the icemanE wagon and fuel on the Firestarter wagon.
take a look at cerebus3. he posted "I see where IcemanE is coming from. I mean, what started the firestarter wagon? "

Then, apparently, a little while later:

Adel
don't sweat the votes on us. They will not stick.
Crazy or cerebus3 should be the lynch for today.
SleepyPanda is town with really astute posts.

Flip-flopping massively there. Also, why did you need an excuse to get off the Crazy wagon that early in the game? Surely town wouldn't need an excuse?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Refusing to respond to perfectly valid questions from some players, while answering questions from others = scumtell.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I actually think alerting the mod is a more scummy thing to do.

unvote

(if I was voting),

vote: crazy

Congrats! You win

Most Stupid Vote Reason

!
Crazy alerting the mod was a lawful, in fact, required part of teh game, as it is generally expected that players witnessing an infraction, or believed infraction, should ALWAYS ask the mod, because Mods are human, like us, and miss shit.

You also win third place on my Lynch list, right behind BM, who is right behind charter, because I have a promise on a BM lynch.

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Charter, please, try and go with good grace, and not in a fiery ball of OMGUS.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ah, personal attacks. The fifth stage of lynch-denial: when you know you've been caught, and can do nothing but mildly flame people.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yes:
How far till lynch?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Confirm Vote: Charter

, then.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Mod - are votes carried over, or do people have to re-vote?

[Knight of Cydonia]

It might be different because of mod-kill.

[Knight of Cydonia]

let CW/BM post daytalk, then attack them over it, IMHO.
Right now, we have actual daytalk evidence against charter, plus the horrendous OMGUS and refusal to answer questioning about daytalk and his reactions, whereas the CW/BM wagon would be based on just BM's attacks and a lack of daytalk.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yay.
Now if those three voting BM will switch to charter, I promise to string his arse up tomorrow, good 'n' proper.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Why would you think BM is town here?

Battle Mage is very huggable in this game.

Proper logic plz. Kthxbai.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I get the feeling Goofball only likes BM because he wants to buddy up for an attempted lynch on myself and Crazy. Which is senseless, because myself and Crazy are as close to confirmed town as possible here.

[Knight of Cydonia]

DGB is accusing armlx, which is kinda indirectly accusing myself and crazy, since armlx is one of those people who consider us fairly safe, and I'm fairly sure about armlx. Dunno what lover thinks, our DT has been quieter than usual.

[Knight of Cydonia]

BM - if your next post isn't paraphrase daytalk, you guarantee my vote moving back to you. 'Nuff said.

[Knight of Cydonia]

BM/BM's replacement - see above.
And CWR's replacement. If one of your nexts posts each isn't paraphrased daytalk, vote incoming.

[Knight of Cydonia]

OMGUS, badlogic... it's a real kettle of fish, an posting mid-class makes it hard to describe quickly.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote; Vote Battle Mage

How many more next posts are we going to see?
It's taken about 10 pages too long as it is.

[Knight of Cydonia]

DGB - what on earth do you mean, tone? I could say this sentence sarcastically, or moodily, or happily. That's tone. You can't infer tone and feeling from text just like that, without good examples. Which you are spectacularly failing to give.

[Knight of Cydonia]

As above. Although I'll be sticking around to ensure it, on behalf of lover-boy.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think we should at least wait for the replacements.
I'm happy to go with the charter lynch anyway, but I want to look very long and hard at BM/CWR replacement tomorrow.

unvote; Vote charter

[Knight of Cydonia]

Suits me fine as things are.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ceph/charter... do you intentionally change the meaning of the entire english language with every post, or just when you need to misrep what people are saying?

We're not desperate, we're trying to do what's best for the town, and that is not getting lynched.

I lol'd.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Please excuse me whilst my brain quietly haemorrages.
You two... can it. If DBE comes back, then she should be on 1 prod remaining - if she is inactive again, we replace her. Destructor might find a replacement before she returns anyway, so maybe wait until it's decided before you have a page-long bitch about it?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Except it's the mod's call. I'd be willing to have DBE back, but would want her on 1 strike and out.

[Knight of Cydonia]

BM - is that it? really?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think I know what the tell is, Walt. Do you mind if I say it first to see if we're thinking along the same lines?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Okay, here's what I'm thinking: why did BM need to be sent teh link by the mod? As a town replacement, I was sent the link to mine and Crazy's daytalk as soon as I replaced in, and bookmarked it to make sure. Was there some discontinuity between scum and town PMs, in that scum were sent TWO daytalk links - one for team, and one for their lover and them alone?

This may be different to your idea, Walt, but this intrigues me.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ummm... where? I fail to see a case beyond Walt getting annoyed with SleepyPanda's misreading of his posts. Annoyed =/= scummy.

[Knight of Cydonia]

No, he's just pursuing a ruthless, pointless vendetta against myself and Crazy because he hasn't got a leg to stand on in his own defence.

crazy pointed out to the mod that toaster strudel had broken the rules, leading to his death.
That and the fact that everyone keeps saying he's confirmed town, when he's not.

Following the rules =/= scumtell.
Other people calling us "as good as confirmed town" =/= scumtell.

I suggest, ThAd, you find a case with some actual evidence behind it.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Also I do think pointing out the rule break to the mod was a low act, and possibly scummy since it killed off the two people I trusted most in this game (and who were also quite active).

Again, just because they turned town doesn't mean they should have been left alone. A rule-break is a rule break, and Crazy did nothing wrong by pointing it out - as a Mod, I'd be grateful if someone did that for me. And saying Crazy only did it because you trusted them is a pile of crap - we would have done the same regardless of our opinion on the matter.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I am willing to test this theory on BM, my second suspect, but I would still be wary of following it through for the rest of the game - I can't help feel that by playing the mod in this way, we may be walking into a trap specifically aimed to prevent this kind of play.

unvote; Vote BM

[Knight of Cydonia]

Indeed - this is why I would also be reluctant to go on it. Sekinj and neko as the only people I vaguely trust apart from Crazy right now.

[Knight of Cydonia]

WWB - a joke vote at this point? Srsly?
Anyway, to business.

Vote: Charter

For all the reasons detailed yesterday.

[Knight of Cydonia]

No, just one based on something the mod has already debunked - policy lynch ftl.

[Knight of Cydonia]

*waits for Sleepy Panda to bitch about DBE's return*

[Knight of Cydonia]

Charter - pre-emptive OMGUS, niiiice.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Something ThAd has spectacularly failed to provide for much of the game. His vote on myself and Crazy was based, AFAIK, on the fact he didn't like the BM or charter wagons.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Crazy, as much as I love you, if you don't switch your vote to charter, honey, there is going to be friction. Get your arse on this wagon now, please.

[Knight of Cydonia]

NEVER! THE HERETICS MUST NOT KNOW THE TRUTH, FOR THEY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND! THEY WILL NOT LISTEN! EAT THEM ALL! OR SHOOT THEM! WHATEVER! DIE TOWN DIE

[Knight of Cydonia]

And most of charter's posts are "Armlx is scum, you're all dumb".
So why is charter still alive?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Crazy, seriously, I refuse to lynch sekinj based on that timestamp alone. You do it if you want, but I don't like it, given that there's very little meritous evidence IMHO.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Opinions are good. Opinions dressed up as a case are bad.
Charter has been dressing his opinions up as cases for the last two days. He only escaped a lynch yesterday because people were so desperate to use timestamps, something which charter himself is now using to try and push a lynch on sekinj and neko.
I refuse to lynch on timestamps, and I believe that lynches should be made on actual evidence, rather than purely attempting to out-guess/break the game.
On evidence alone, charter is more scummy than half the town put together.
He and Ceph must be thanking the Lord this time-stamp crap has come up.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Charter - you only changed that vote after someone reminded you of the mod's time-stamp bitch slap, IIRC. You woul have been happy to policy lynch your way out of this.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Walt, stop misreping me. I never said I would never vote for SP/Armlx or Sek/Neko, I said I couldn't see any valid case against them at this point beyond the timestamps, and that I wouldn't policy lynch based on timestamps alone.

[Knight of Cydonia]

No, it just proves that you've got a 50/50 record of lynching scum or town.

[Knight of Cydonia]

According to that theory, yes.
It's just a shame that theory sucks balls,
because it's based on trying to out-guess the mod.
Vote on scumminess, not on some theory that hasn't been properly proven.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Crazy - no. Sek is one of my strongest town reads, and I refuse to lynch on something that may not be anything more than a quirk of the day-talk setups.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Because apparently we're not playing Mafia, we're playing TimeStamp.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Charter... not so much. Considering that you've done most of what you're accusing armlx of, I'd say you're still scummiest.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If this timestamp bullshit is wrong, we're lynching charter tomorrow.
I still don't understand why the hell we're not lynching charter today.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Xtoxm, you do realise that's hammer, right?
Congrats. You just joined charter on my list of People Who Need to Die, Seriously, What The Hell Are You Doing, You 'Tard?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ummm... the fact that your appear to not have read most of the game, and are just following a theory that may well not be true, as it has apparently already been debunked by the mod?

[Knight of Cydonia]

And if you're wrong? Will you take responsibility for hammering in a game you haven't read properly, because of a theory that shouldn't have been tested after the mod explicitly said timestamps have no correlation to alignment?

[Knight of Cydonia]

It's not an issue of trust, it's an issue of scumminess. Something that armlx and SP haven't been, compared to charter and ceph, certainly.

[Knight of Cydonia]

My heart hopes this is right, but my head is saying OH SHIT WTF HAVE THESE TARDS DONE.
Might as well shut up and let the mod do the dirty now.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I find no honour in winning this way.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I just hope destructor learns his lesson next time he wants to do day-talk.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think we've already lynched them anyway, so we can't change that now... I've lost count a bit.

Mod: Vote count, please?