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[Hiraki]

ego

[Hiraki]

I am going to probably read this tomorrow. Might change if you see a 4 AM EST post from me.

[Hiraki]

I got a light TR on SJReaver for his post pointing out he read my scumgame and noted he believes i'm skilled at playing as scum. It doesn't seem like something scum!him would just casually put out there if it wasn't a real worry for him.

Yuck.

Hey Lapsa, what do you think of Bell's line of questioning? Is how someone responds to a role PM alignment indicative?

Useless but also town.

Unless there is good evidence of lurking, no. Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot. This obviously only applies to early game, activity will be a useful source of information later in the game because of how easy it is to fly below the radar.

Disagree low activity players are better for scum to have around.

Elimming a high activity slot just for info is not a good idea

That's really not what I said though, was it...

True, you said elimming higher activity slots gives more info which is 1 not necessarily true and 2 implies elimming high-content slots is not that bad which is harmful

Useless.

Reason: Claims previous discussion is NAI and has killed RVS on page 2 when the majority of people haven't voted. Claims calling others scum is more useful but then doesn't do it themselves.

Not wrong but definitely not right.

Given the size of this group, how do you feel about eliminating low-activity slots?

Do you agree with Norwegian that vigs should shoot early?

Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot.

VOTE: town looter

I SR this.

Wait. Since when is ending RVS Scummy?

Oh yeah, I slipped into the right slot.

That's disappointing.

Back to null.

Why do you feel the need to put "reason" next to every vote you make?

Terrible question.

Thank god we’ve generated some AI discussion out of the 4 theory posts that took over the game thread huh MM

The shit you started?

Haha this wagon sucks! Instead let me build a case on someone else with 5 pages of RVS!

Yall sound very eager to throw shade while you are both doing nothing sitting on RVS votes

I think super flips town this game but wow, bad takes all around.

Not angry, just trying to create interactions. Which you should know with your level of experience

Yeah, I don't need to read anything from this slot again.

Absolute nonsense lmao VOTE: superbowl9

Bad vote.

Idk it kinda feels like an cop-out from you Stan. You say the back and forth between me and Superbowl was forced like you’re suggesting it was a fake argument between scum. And when asked to elaborate you just said you wanted to see if "other people saw what you did."
It’s kinda icky.
VOTE: Stan1ey

Ooo, wow, not going to butt heads this game?

You say an argument looks fabricated. What’s your next thought as a mafia player? Who stands to benefit from fabricating arguments?

Terrible post.

Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.

This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.

Good enough for me.

VOTE: Bell Choo choo!

Bad.

Super Bowl is pretty townie to me.
I’ve had that exact conversation as town like 3 times about moving games out of rvs with nothing but bs.

Like psuedo-yucky.

Norwee's hysteria is very strange but I don't think it's worth votes. I believe he did this in the same game we played before as town and I called him scum (wrongly) for that. I could be misremembering though. Will need to double check.

NoPowerOverMe is just talking weird. Nero is correct here but it's NAI.

Norway does seem a little edgy. And the Bell vote looks defensive. And I know from our last game he's good as scum.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Strange progression.

Also dude naked voting someone and saying aha you reacted is the worst possible reaction test of all time

Not what happened and also wrong.

It is scummy. Not at all NAI.

Wrong.

in fairness, I have seen the "I don't care if I die" come from scum b4. *shrugz*

Also wrong.

383 is good at the beginning and then gets progressively worse. Would hope a Glitch wagon starts because of it.

So far today I'll be cool with serious wagons forming on Nero, MM depending on response, or Norway. I won't be voting Superbowl or NPOM as they are my highest TRs, CSF is almost up to that same peak tier.

Yikes.

MM is town.

This whole argument between Nero, NoPower and Norwee on pages 12-14 will be very interesting to look at when one of them flips, but for now, it's only giving me a headache lol

Disagree.

the "I don't care if I die" is (imo) mostly bad town mentality thats

EASILY

fakeable from scum.

True, but the benefits of faking it as scum aren't so great, and it's not rare to see it simply come from town, so I'm very reluctant to scumread anyone on that basis.

Bravo!

I have 99 problems but a glitch isn't one of them.

VOTE: glitch

There we go baby.

Had a feeling the MM omgus was coming if I waited long enough

I'm gonna trust 2 AM me last night that you're VI and not scum here.

Norway is scum. I'm not moving my vote for the rest of the day.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt but this is bullshit.

You didn't test Norway for reactivity, you targeted a poster you already knew tended to react to things and are now spinning that reaction into proof of being mafia. I mentioned at the beginning of the game that Norway was a good scum player, and I think you're trying to capitalize on townie paranoia of being tricked by good scum players.

Even if you did think Norway might be scum, there's no way you'd be 100% sure this early and planting your vote here means less pressure on real mafia. It's a safe way to look like you're scumhunting while contributing little.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Not great but good ending!

I want to town read Glitch, but I'm lazy and for some reason when I read his posts, my eyes start to glaze over. I'll give him light town points and hope someone else points out if he's scummy.

Bad!

Well he's just kinda playing bad right now by tunneling 100% on me instead of solving the game properly. And therefore doesn't deserve to be fully TR anymore.

Agreed but that's not actually why he's scummy.

Norwee v Nero is TvT but it's fun to watch.

Bell might be maf.

Wondering why looter voted Norway then advocated nero to lay off him.

This clearly isn't what happened.

I know this is probably fake, but what the heck is an encryptor

How do you *know* that this is *probably* fake?

Dumb.

Sure.

VOTE: glitch

Ahh, Bell isn't scum anymore.

Will continue later.

[Hiraki]

he seems to be hinting that he thinks I was bussing norway. it's still weird mostly.

It's even weirder to say pre-flip. Why not flip you Norwee and then flip you and put the nail on the coffin there? Seems like an overall lie to me.

Agreed with MM on 629.

There's no way someone with a town mindest would misinterpret what I meant.

Already stopped reading.

669 is bad.

With no flips and 5498674596 players, I am not pushing associations and scum teams. I am pushing individuals.

this is literally scum logic. He's not worried about figuring out the dynamics-he just wants lynches. Unless he thinks Norway and I are scum together he can't think norway and I are both scum and he's like "naw, not worried about that."

This isn't true either.

I don't like Norway's motivation this game. He was town in the last game I played with him and his morale was up the whole game. I don't like the whole idea of lowering the player pool being top priority right now even at the cost of town deaths. Seems haphazard and wreckless which isn't the Norway I played with last time.

Are some of you seriously still harping on the argument that: "Suggesting us to vig players is so scummy!!!!" stuff?

Bingo.

Took you guys waaaay too long to hop on Glitch.

Rigidly narrow like that blue arrow

?

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Rolefishing much?

Fos lapsa

I agree with this. Not sure where it came from. Thought I missed something.

My town equity in Looter went down the more I read 730.

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Rolefishing much?

Fos lapsa

Even scum syntax theory is miles better than that.

Why even mention it though? That's the problem. It came out of the blue for no reason. You heard vig and decided to say "WELL WAIT GUYS, THERE'S PROBABLY

2

VIGS!" Why??

Glad to know Hiraki has it all figured out.

Thanks.

It’s one of those ambiguous posts where it could be scum telling hiraki he’s totally wrong, totally right, a put down for semi arrogant wording, Or just a denial that he’s scum and making fun of Hiraki for it.

Either way, not helpful and just weird in taste.

Town, however, should come from an uninformed perspective and his opening has me questioning that.

Do you want to elaborate or just speak progressively weirder? I'm fine with either.

The binary language seems like he came in with a certain idea of who he wanted to eliminate or not eliminate.

Lol.

Hiraki, keen to hear where you finally land on Glitch once you have fully caught up. BoP coming your way buddy.

What is a BoP? I intend to vote him for reasons that have nothing to do with what is currently being said. Don't know if need to elaborate on them.

In post 314, superbowl9 wrote:
Also dude naked voting someone and saying aha you reacted is the worst possible reaction test of all time

Not what happened and also wrong.

How is this not what happened?

Pretty great answer here:

i mean, it wasn't really a reaction test. Do you feel like the level of agression that he's sending my way is justified?

Hiraki pls don't continue with your catchup you're not helping anyone in the thread by quoting and saying "bad"

Stay mad.

I still really want to eliminate Virgo tbh.

Need to read into this tbh.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Glitch

[Hiraki]

Husbands and sons?

[Hiraki]

UNVOTE:

I wish I were as cool as Bell.

VOTE: lapsa lapsa might be scum they havent said nothing here stale buddying

hello ralph

Terrible response to that

What is your expected response?

Doesnt it make it hard to catch onto what's happening?

Titus usually plays by VCA.

[Hiraki]

Are you sure you're not scum Virgo? This is a high fluff to hunting ratio you got goin' on.

I don't love JV but I definitely don't love this.

[Hiraki]

Are you sure you're not scum Virgo? This is a high fluff to hunting ratio you got goin' on.

I don't love JV but I definitely don't love this.

Please don't defend people you know because you know them.

This was about alignment. I know neither of you.

[Hiraki]

Well, try again.

I don't (feel well about JV's alignment) but I definitely do not (fell well about Bell's alignment)

Happy?

[Hiraki]

Well, try again.

I don't (feel well about JV's alignment) but I definitely do not (fell well about Bell's alignment)

Happy?

Bell is my strongest town read right now. In our previous game we were masons together and he acted just like this.

Cool?

I keep on reading this post. I hope there's no code or anything in it because if there is, I don't get it.

Why say this?

Reaver is awesome.
Cool post.

What??

Okay. I lied about staying on Norway. We need a new wagon.

Unvote

So when you say "lie", are you suggesting that you didn’t actually plan to vote me all day, or that you didn’t actually scumread me and did it for reaction test, or that you initially scumread me but changed your mind over time.
Do you not SR me or did you want to push someone else?

I got this one. He's bored.

Hiraki, keen to hear where you finally land on Glitch once you have fully caught up. BoP coming your way buddy.

What is a BoP? I intend to vote him for reasons that have nothing to do with what is currently being said. Don't know if need to elaborate on them.

Burden of proficiency. Your approach has a degree of confidence/arrogance to it, so it's only fair you lead us poorly misinformed townies to victory with your perfectly on point reads.

Unfortunately, it seems arrogance has been on the higher end of the spectrum as of late. Let's hope the accuracy has returned though.

[Hiraki]

What??

This is stupid - ignore it.

[Hiraki]

I'm waiting for Glitch to respond.

[Hiraki]

In his opening post he said he would reread an old game he had with you to see if how you were playing here was typical.

Yeah, it mimics it. I kind of tossed on whether that was relevant because it could be something he does as scum too. I also read Norwee as scum in that game and he was scum. So I feel betterish.

Unvote Glitch

Idk if i'm comfortable turning around just based on a extremely vague: "I'll be useful by D4!" claim.

Good but think more.

Could also Vote Hiraki.

Annoying.

Vote: CatScratchFever

I want to expand on this later. Don't have time now.

[Hiraki]

@Hiraki, does this mean you believe Glitch's claim?

I'll come back to this later, if you don't mind?

[Hiraki]

anyone who town reads him really should start explaining why. he is the most scummy person in this game by far

im being serious here btw. if people cant explain why they TR nero he needs more votes

because he's townie? what do you want me to say here?

I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.

I don't get this. You're pissed at him "tunneling you" but you believe he is scum at the same time? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
VOTE: Glitch

VOTE: Nor-boy

Voting a claimed PR on D1 is just...

Why does incorrect play = scum play here?

In addition to expanding on your CSF vote can you expand on my unvote and why you did that?

Maybe tomorrow.

Someone want to lead my eyes to something convincing about Fwesind?

Alisae replaces Cat Scratch Fever, please welcome em

oof ali, you rolled scum

[Hiraki]

So the best way of figuring out if Cat Scratch is scum is actually reading Cat Scratch's ISO. I understand that I might be a little late on this but I'm pretty sold on this read.

CSF spills some of the smallest details about his thoughts with ease. Let's start with the read on Superbowl:

I would also look favorably upon a superbowl wagon

Scumreading on an early game post.

Why did you ignore my post? This isn't the first time you just glossed over someone verbalizing a scumlean on you.

Weird response to someone who is okay with a wagon on someone else. If you wanted a response, you'd ask a question. Not throw out a read. If Bell throws out a read on me or says that they're okay wagoning me, there is no response you can give. Oh no - he will vote me. I will try my best to find scum not detract myself from a wagon.

However, CSF saying this means that he believes this at least. He believes that Superbowl was supposed to respond to his post because that is something he would do to stay alive. Superbowl and CSF are clearly not playing the same game here. If you want to call that TvS and you don't know which one is which, fine.

Idk if I'm missing something obvious now, because I still don't get it. Scum get into arguments with town all the time, why couldn't the argument be viewed as SvT from stanley?

I think there are two interpretations of what stanley was trying to convey in 165, and I'll let him clarify which one. But I didn't think stanley was trying to say that the argument was pre-planned, so much as the argument developed weirdly.

Some people just say what's on their mind

Don't see how it suppresses AI content

What other reads do you have Superbowl

Why the townread on Bell?

The next vote after this is a vote onto Glitch - someone CSF has never talked about - as the next vote. This read literally never developed and just floated for awhile before dying. I also don't see anything that shows CSF trying to get an understanding of superbowl, just his arguments. Then we need to talk about Glitch, this won't be too fast:

These reads are big oof. Not a fan of the wagon momentum explanation either

First mention of Glitch is here. There's no real problem (IMO) with the explanation that Glitch gives in the quoted post. Having a difference is reads is not...a...scumtell?

VOTE: Glitch

Cooling on MM scum

Next mention is a vote - 5th vote on the wagon - just slipping in. I noticed. He then advocates for Glitch and then replaces out. I would've loved to have a dialogue on reads because that's it. Those are really the only two reads that CSF has given in a 50+ page game.

Not much Hiraki, he's just posting once or twice per day and watching.
Depends whether you believe he just doesn't know what to do in RVS/ can't get a grasp of the game or whether he's just scum. He hasn't posted much so iso'ing him shouldn't be a problem.

I was BUSY thank you

[Hiraki]

Hiraki seems to focus on one person and then selectively quote to fit his preferred narrative.

If you'd like to tell me where I'm going wrong, you're welcome to it rather than trying to act correct.

[Hiraki]

in fact, actually, i want to tango - you're passively calling me out for misrepping there so back your words up or sit down thanks

[Hiraki]

norwee clearly flips town here but he's being wrong about what the correct attitude to take here is

[Hiraki]

norwee clearly flips town here but he's being wrong about what the correct attitude to take here is

I liked your write-up on Cat Scratch Fever, even though I didn't see their actions as alignment indicative. There are too many people floating through the early part of the game for all of them to be mafia. CSF read as someone increasingly disinterested in the game. It's bad play but still townie.

Do you have any other strong scum reads right now?

It wasn't so much their actions but their lack of actions for me. We can agree to disagree here. I have a lot of TRs in this game that I think will start to thin the POE. I'd be okay with a lynch on CSF/Ali or NPOM today. Maybe IKS if I actually read their posts because I always don't feel good reading them but then I ignore it.

[Hiraki]

how did Hiraki go from a scum lean to your top (or one of) your top town reads?

literally what i was thinking, we vibin nero

Why would only the wrong people take heat for pushing Norway? Wouldn't it be rational to suspect Norway wagon is a deflection from Fwes?

norwee started before fwesnd

norwee clearly flips town here but he's being wrong about what the correct attitude to take here is

I can't give zero fucks and keep a cool attitude like you do.
But sometimes i wish i could.

sometimes you gotta just say im gonna have a beer, then have 5 and then just start typing (this is a joke but definitely the vibe of new Hiraki posting)

i think if you look

deep

in my postings, we had the same methodology so hopefully in like 5 years you understand

Much rather flip a50 than Norway

hahahaha run away from a challenge

@Mod: Shouldn't the deadline be frozen while looking for a replacement? Just wanna check I'm not going insane.

[Hiraki]

thank fucking God. I could not deal whith Ali winning about things for days on.

tbf u were being a dick

[Hiraki]

Do you have any opinions on the game state rn Hiraki?

not good ones

I wish you’d all grow a pair and go for a real big boi lymch such as Almost50 or Stan1ey.

i can feel /okay/ with an A50 lynch. not really vibing a stanley one tbh

Norwegian should be self-resolvable, so lynching D1 is probably dumb
Lapsa is kinda a brick slot rn so a vigi shot is greater here
Glitch is a PR claim so no
Fwes is a PR claim so no
72offsuit is scummy and has interactions so a lynch here is better than a brick or a PR claim or someone self-resolvable.

Thoughts?

u went through everything but CSF/Ali?

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: A50

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: NPOM

Nope, I'm back to sticking to my guns. Apologies for the lapse in judgment.

[Hiraki]

The last I checked, the only case you've made was against CSF. Why is No Power your preferred elimination now?

I've talked about NPOM before. I can be more expansive, if necessary. It shouldn't though.

[Hiraki]

I find it difficult to believe scum would be given a night 3 or day 4 ability, but that's an opinion from an uninformed person (I think this is like my second closed setup ever played - most of my games have been newbies)

There are definitely two different styles or approaches or whatever you want to call it in this game.

There's the Stanley/Glitch/TL approach, and the Nero/Hiraki/NBoyEE approach. I wouldn't say one is more or less scummy in the context of this game, they are just different. That said, I know I have a bias here and am probably over TRing the former, and over SRing the latter.

1 of these things is not like the other why is hiraki in there?

he's assuming he's right which is dumb

[Hiraki]

a Scum!Hiraki scenario I am following right now is them are using their meta and experience to enhance Town's confirmation bias (e.g. "NBoyEE is definitely town!").

so i am scum because i say things, you don't ask why, and you just assume i'm calling it out of nowhere? do you think i think meta is a useful tool? read my posts again, thanks

[Hiraki]

A bit late to say this, but i don’t think i’ve ever seen Alisae replace out of a game like they did. Does anyone have thoughts on this?

none, i don't think it's very wise to do this

a Scum!Hiraki scenario I am following right now is them are using their meta and experience to enhance Town's confirmation bias (e.g. "NBoyEE is definitely town!").

so i am scum because i say things, you don't ask why, and you just assume i'm calling it out of nowhere? do you think i think meta is a useful tool? read my posts again, thanks

Ok. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

norwee clearly flips town here but he's being wrong about what the correct attitude to take here is

Why is Norwegian so town to you? Like, sure, you don't have to scum read them, but why town? This post could at best is anti-town, and at worst incredibly manipulative. That being said, I clearly don't see the world the same as you do.

you could go a little farther than 100 posts ago

Why do you only question ONE out of about 13 crossed out palyers? And the player you question is based on activity, rather than based on actual content?
Why not state your own thoughts regarding the other 12 or so players on the list?

Unvote, Vote: 72

Ares towm . wan to town block ydrasse?

???

[Hiraki]

His reads r shit as town, so at least that's consistent

Re: hiraki

butthurt over one L that we both have huh

VOTE: 72offsuit

I can't sort someone who isn't even reading my posts.

we're vibing hard here, which scares me, but i'm not complaining

[Hiraki]

I think this is literally the towniest I've seen Titus in awhile. I agree with 2458 hard.

For everyone saying that 72 scumread ISK earlier, so what? He didn't say more than that. Now that he is, are you going to judge based on WHEN he SR or HOW he SR? I'd rather do the later.

[Hiraki]

I think this is literally the towniest I've seen Titus in awhile. I agree with 2458 hard.

For everyone saying that 72 scumread ISK earlier, so what? He didn't say more than that. Now that he is, are you going to judge based on WHEN he SR or HOW he SR? I'd rather do the later.

Who is "everyone"?

i think bell started it and then nero joined in so i guess "everyone" is just me lazily not going back in checking, like i'm doing right now. there are 100% people who said it

I really dont understand the resistance to the IKSF wagon.
I think thats telling in its own right.

two posts before this one

best page top ever?

2 days to deadline and your vote is solo on a dead wagon.

im pretty sure this is scum being wrong rather than town being wrong fwiw

Alright so. NPower, SiteFlake, superbowl all scum for naked voting.

??????????????????????

As such I would be comfortable flipping anyone in [Norwegian, JV, Hiraki (previous reads), Titus, 72].

you literally just have the top wagons and me in your flip list

ok

[Hiraki]

Am I scum for any particular reason or is this just OMGUS b/c I questioned Norways town read on you?

i didn't call you scum, the posts were calling out 72. how did you get this mixed up?

[Hiraki]

like maybe it's late for you but the whole point of those two posts is that 72 is telling you that you're on a dead wagon and you should consolidate but then

two

three posts before that one, 72 is then wondering why his vote, which is still on ISK, isn't gaining any traction as if there's nothing else going on at the moment

i think you've done this multiple times with my posts too though which is why i'm weirded out. i'm still pretty sure you flip town here but cmon, head in the game

I really dont understand the resistance to the IKSF wagon.
I think thats telling in its own right.

His posts are scummy.

He has been on all the biggest wagons:
Glitch, Fwesnid, Titus, myself.
His intent looks like its to get any miskick.

72 comments in 2467 that ISK is scummy and that he isn't sure why the wagon isn't going up

three posts later (originally said 2 but that's a clear error)

best page top ever?

2 days to deadline and your vote is solo on a dead wagon.

we get this which means that he's aware of the situation and almost psuedo-grandstanding at this point about ISK which is also a dead wagon

it doesn't smell like townie thinking to me man

[Hiraki]

there's a valid case to make that 72 did it out of ignorance rather than somewhat intentionally

[Hiraki]

He’s not really trying to survive

if all scum looked like they were trying to survive, this game wouldn't be fun anymore

his reads are evolving organically

literally no one believes half of his reasons for ISK

he doesn’t seem to be avoiding interacting with anybody.

???????????

There is no no counter wagon forming that isn’t being led by town after my last 2 catastrophic failures. Most of the people voting him aren’t in the people i’m most strongly reading as town while those that aren’t are voting him.

72offsuit (8):SJReaver, Almost50, Hiraki, Titus, town looter, I Keep Siteflaking, superbowl9. Ydrasse

so is it just because me and titus are on the wagon? you've TR SJReaver in the past, you went null on A50, you've been 'skeptical' of TL, i honestly can't find anything about ISK but i'm not trying hard, you have a TL on superbowl, and prob a not so great read on Ydrasse. all other wagons have destablized at this point so you have a day and 6 hours to convince your hypothetical town to switch, GL or NL. NL wouldn't be such a

terrible

idea in this scenario if you've got no reads. Not voting is.

[Hiraki]

Shouldn't hiraki or Titus have known better?

??????

[Hiraki]

Don't hammer without claim from now on. We have a vigi and don't want to random lynch him/her.

this is IIoA

????????????????????????????????????????

Vote: NPOM

starting to TR Glitch more

Keeping pressure on me until I hard claim will just put a target on my back when I am a major asset to the town late game.

Spoiler:

This is just survivalism. You keep arguing how useful you will be, but why would scum not kill you anyway when you openly brag about how game changing your PR will be in late game? I highly doubt your claim is genuine.

I agree but would scum!glitch create a vague as balls claim as scum or just claim what they plan on claiming to try to brush the heat off them. Serious question as I'm unsure myself

exactly

i don't see how it's "survivalism" as much as it is "you guys said that you are going to lynch someone out of 5 people and i'm in those 5. yeah, i'm scummy but don't do it, you'll actually regret it"

is it survivalistic? sure. not feeling that it is the only motivation there though

im feeling pretty ok with a town looter lynch after that last interaction and my decay of his TR after his weird postings near the end of yesterday

[Hiraki]

even if mm is vig, i don't trust him with the gun anyway so...

Unvote, Vote: MM

[Hiraki]

glitch is correct because my post was literally just his before the post-edit stopped me

[Hiraki]

im surprised mafia isn't taking advantage of this more than anything

Unvote, Vote: NPOM

[Hiraki]

I think that's such a stretch. If we're wrong MM can just take out scum!Fwesnid on his way down and now it will also tell us a bit about the alignment of Flake and A50.

VOTE: Glitch

With the light of the feedback, this post looks pretty bad. From a town PoV, it'd be a poorly detailed position (and it's not that Glitch can't detail his position, he proved it during the Nero - Glitch fight). From a scum PoV, it'd be an easy lineup of two PR deaths that doesn't make him look bad and that gives him a justification to vote me and to support the vengekill on Fwesnid.

half of your wagon was saying this

[Hiraki]

im surprised mafia isn't taking advantage of this more than anything

Unvote, Vote: NPOM

@mod

do i need to go hard for NPOM today? i will FYI

[Hiraki]

I get why people are wagoning NPOM, but what distinguishes him from me? My lack of effort is very much time oriented and I am putting my vote in places to try and be useful.

@NPOM, why haven't you collaborated with those people? Who do you think they are?

NPOM has the worst read progression in the game

I can go into it but I'm phone posting for the next day so you'll have to be patient

[Hiraki]

Is that Hiraki jokingly asking the mod to tell him if he should vote NPOM or not, or am I misunderstanding the post? It's strange lol

no im letting the mod know that i unvoted you and voted NPOM

This feels less like a scum hunting elimination and more like a policy lynch. Please don't rush this hammer like yesterday and let's get a bit more solid before dropping the hammer. I know if he flips scum this post will make me look bad but a quick hammer without getting a little more discussion out of this is not going to be good.

why couldn't you be like this on D1?

Having a PR is NOT an excuse to play like shit.

this is correct but it would be harder for mafia to play good PR on the other hand which is why i am avoiding this like the plague until tomorrow

i also don't see a case outside of "no reads"

which, to me, isn't a scumtell as much as it is a lazytell

this game has been going on for almost 140 pages, drdolittle replaced in at page 98 (before the pause) and you want him to admit that he's been lazy and doesn't have reads - regardless of alignment? like how doesn towndrd get out of this hole? by playing the game? that assumes that town drd always plays like town. much too simple for me.

drd is better as a vig target than a lynch IMO

[Hiraki]

btw Hiraki is exactly right. I usually do nothing in larges and its not AI at all.
like see the cancelled zelda game
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82371
or zor's fortnight game.

i wasn't even saying this from a meta perspective

there is abundantly clearly more reasons for someone who is doing 'nothing' to be town rather than scum as of late. is it a 100% truth? no not really but if they do legitimately nothing, it is usually a town flip

now if drd was doing something like switching his votes and not saying anything (which is 100% why i am voting NPOM), that is different. even titus called him out for this and here was the exchange -

I get why people are wagoning NPOM, but what distinguishes him from me? My lack of effort is very much time oriented and I am putting my vote in places to try and be useful.

@NPOM, why haven't you collaborated with those people? Who do you think they are?

I have. Anyone not on my scum list

How have you collaborated? Sheeping =/= collaboration.

I try not to come to quick conclusions especially in large games.

the interaction is literally Titus asking for one example where NPOM has collaborated and his answer was a complete non-answer if not even close to addressing the question

i also feel like you have been contributing almost 100% more than NPOM while being just as quiet Titus - and you also replaced in, just to answer your first question

FYI i'm not really up for this fake hammer bullshit anymore considering the last page was absolute laziness at its

finest

the top post of 135 is literally a votecount where it's 10 to eliminate and we have multiple people saying "E-1!!!!!!!!!!" 50 times as if that is going to give us a legitimate reaction and something that cannot be easily faked

it's just stupid and annoying for people who are actually trying to track the votes

[Hiraki]

They only have been gunning for me after I went after them.

this is literally false - i've been gunning after you on my first post, you noted it and made a cheeky remark thinking that it would be nothing

Whatever. I'm not going to change my playstyle.

titus asked you to show where you did something, you basically said the equivalent of 'fuck off' and now we're attacking your playstyle? PLEASE

I never said it was towny or scummy but the attacks on me are squarely omgusy. I vote players I see as anti town or lurky. My point is town don't have a knee jerk reaction to being voted.

yeah and you just quoted the post above where you cheekily call me out for calling you out - who is OMGUSing who???

[Hiraki]

Hiraki is throwing shit to see what sticks.

yeah, i'm going to go against the crowd which is generally townreading you for ??? and just throw shit that sticks while simultaneously joining random wagons and covering for my buddies, right right ok ok

wanna answer titus' question or get mad again that you're being called out (finally) for being scummy?
remember when you tried to call me out and you backed down because you realized it was not going your way? let's bring that up again

Hiraki seems to focus on one person and then selectively quote to fit his preferred narrative.

If you'd like to tell me where I'm going wrong, you're welcome to it rather than trying to act correct.

in fact, actually, i want to tango - you're passively calling me out for misrepping there so back your words up or sit down thanks

note to viewers, NPOM sat the fuck down until now and i'm not letting him pop out of his hole again without a brawl

[Hiraki]

so many pages!

[Hiraki]

For that reason, Norway HAS to be scum. There's no way around it. If I get eliminated first when i flip town y'all will know to kill off Norway. However if you believe me, vote for Norway and we can be down to 2 scum left total.

literally nothing above says "Norwee is scum" to me

Also Glitch apparently wanted to recruit me because he thought i had the "influence to stop mass claiming from happening".

pause - are you sure it wasn't scum theater?

Glitch claimed neighborizor, an easily confirmable role, yes?

neighborizor can be scum or town iirc

Vote: NPOM

[Hiraki]

wait fuck did someone lie

[Hiraki]

Unvote

[Hiraki]

no i wanted E-1 but now im terrified because i thought i screwed up

phew

im just gonna play it safe and not vote for now though

[Hiraki]

still waiting on titus, right?

[Hiraki]

NPOM also did claim - VT

[Hiraki]

shelly reminds me of early me. that being said, early me was not prime time me

[Hiraki]

Hi hiraki.
I’ve not had the fortune to interact with you directly this game.
Does shellyc remind you of early scum you or early town you?

town tbh

large games are hard for me to interact with, usually filled with things that you can't comment on because they're small

it's why my "catch-up" post was so short

i will admit i am not very good in them

[Hiraki]

Yeah, i think the mafia prioritize killing strong town voices. Which might mean that they don’t have very strong presence themselves in the townblocks that have formed.

i don't see the scenario where the reverse also isn't true

your only push toward that is that scum killed the person that kept shouting that out which i guess is a thing, i

guess

[Hiraki]

the people want titus to speak, the people will hear it

[Hiraki]

his actions don't make sense but i need a NPOM flip to act on the above

[Hiraki]

wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Hiraki]

wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Oh?

he's crying, i was just making the sounds

[Hiraki]

i also don't see why we need to rush this, the deadline is also still in ~limbo~

that being said, consider my vote, if he's not already hammered, on NPOM

[Hiraki]

i also don't see why we need to rush this, the deadline is also still in ~limbo~

that being said, consider my vote, if he's not already hammered, on NPOM

Oh so we're just gonna be waiting here for yonks? Good to know

does it hurt anyone?

[Hiraki]

if u do flip town, i don't think you have any right to call anyone else lazy

[Hiraki]

dunno why you guys think ralph will flip red tbh

[Hiraki]

I'm not disagreeing there's a chance of A50/Hiraki scumteam though.

if it helps, i intend to vote A50 tomorrow

[Hiraki]

I'm not disagreeing there's a chance of A50/Hiraki scumteam though.

if it helps, i intend to vote A50 tomorrow

Same

Is this because it resolves your slot or do you SR them? Or possibly both

idrc about resolving my slot?

[Hiraki]

(if A50 is scum so would Hiraki 80%)

Is this based on lacking interactions between the two or something else?

Interactions mainly, specifically that one vote/revote from Hiraki is seriously pinging me.

?

[Hiraki]

Mafia isn't just about being right A50, but convincing others you're right.

Again if I respond to this I am risking eating a ban, so I won't.

But seriously, what has this site come to? It used to be there was a majority of GOOD scum hunters all over the place. Right now it's just trollers, people who can't even think, people who treat mafia as a "random guessing game", and people who want to have it their own way regardless of the cost because they probably have personality issues they try to compensate for at the expense of everyone's enjoyment. It's no fun AT ALL when someone decides to switch off their brain and just go gung-ho all throw the game. THANK GOD I wasn't a starter in this game (and I now TOTALLY understand why RV keeps replacing out of games)

this is A+ posting

[Hiraki]

yeah i hope you learned something from all of this totally constructive criticism guys

very

convincing

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