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I'm town so you're wrong.

Poo.

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Do you know what’s sad.

All my town reads are town.
But all my scum reads are town too.

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I’m slapping norwe with a town read btw. Congrats.

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Not a very strong one, but it’s there.
The opposite of progress is congress.
Am I congressing.

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That’s what makes me cool.

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No, it means i’m mediocre and my null reads are where all the scum are.

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Should we be full claiming tomorrow?

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Yeah, i’m not sure if it’s my place to direct that tomorrow or not. I’ve had a few managed full claim games before.

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I don’t think I want a popcorn type full claim game.

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I'll do it.

A ghost orchestra conducted by NPOM.

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I sent Micc a message.
Incase manatee doesn’t come back.

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Hi Ralph.
What’s your read on me btw?

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Hi Hiraki, what’s your read of me?

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Why?

Tangential:
I got a response from Micc. Says he’ll get this sorted. Still gunna be a little while, probably

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Hi.

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I can’t be in everyone’s pockets at once.

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i am conftown as well! i was gunsmith inno.

i’ll be around later to try and get back into this game properly.

Sorry.
You know this isn’t true with two goon flips

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I agree with Titus and I don’t think we should claim haphazardly.
A50. First. Then either popcorn or next person we strongly doubt.

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So, who did JV check??? Shouldn't you a;; have asked him that before you started claiming??

He checked you and got a guilty.

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Do we really wanna compromise with 3 scum around?

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So, who did JV check??? Shouldn't you a;; have asked him that before you started claiming??

their alternative night cop, no?

Way to ruin the reaction dude.

Not rly a reaction test. But if he’s not going to read enough of the game to have any idea who’s who or what’s what, then might as well just say something he doesn’t know.

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Are you just not invested at all A50?

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My step dad, for whatever reason, wishes to greet you all.

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And this is why A50 would have been an GREAT vig shot.

Can’t argue with that.

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2 dead scum.
2 dead town.
And a good time.

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I dunno A50 presumably you’d have found scum by now if you were town.
Or at least touched on scum. Pushed scum. Questioned scum.suspected scum at some point.
Instead, you just exist.

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And got a music reference which honestly is enough for me.
You may continue to exist. If you fake claimed I would like you to real claim tho.

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Would you like to popcorn to another player for them to claim or do we want one of the confirmed town to ask the next victim forward?

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You’re a rebel. I appreciate that. Look at my coat and glasses. I’m a rebel too.
Would you like to purchase similar glasses and a similar coat from my company. Rebels inc.

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The last lethargic game he had with me he was scum in it.
But he wasn't Very lethargic when things got interesting or in his scum PT really.

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What i’m Saying is that I kinda want him dead if he is scum because he’s fairy good at set up knowledge and planning.
Perhaps we’ve seen some of that already.

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The iks/glitch interaction sounds like he might have had a hand in it.

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Would you like to popcorn to another player for them to claim or do we want one of the confirmed town to ask the next victim forward?

I think only you, Ralph, Norwee & Looter remain unclaimed, so I'd like MM to pick the next one to claim

Hey look you have been paying attention to the stuff scum pay attention to

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Wait a bloody minute! Did JV claim he checked IKS on the night IKS got shot??

Yes. Are you skeptical of such a claim?

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You know what? Screw it..

VOTE: Titus

I don’t understand what you’re screwing here.

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Mmm. Something feels wrong.

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What about glitch who also targeted the same guy and died.
Who also came up with an explanation and a powerrole that was probably coached to him.

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I need to think about whether i’m Being taken for a ride or not.

Jackson suspicion though? Almost definitely bullshit.

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Yeah, I suppose just on the strength of you suspecting Jackson which I know you’re smart enough not to do you’re probably scum this game.
The other associations are interesting.

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That dolittle interaction is almost definitely not scum v scum.
And just based off of the roles we know so far and fwesnid being a gunsmith with a probable ability to miss doctor scum or what not and the wifom associated with Titus (who may or may not still be scum). I think you should know better.

A watcher, gunsmith and occasional cop makes a lot of sense.
And dolittle claimed cop to draw out said cop.

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Er, sorry for insulting you if you’re town this game.
But my impression is that you’re bright.
You’re making a clear mistake.

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2 dead scum.
2 dead town.
And a good time.

Btw, I forgot to respond to this...

Can you count?

Graveyard:

Spoiler:

72offsuit,

Town Watcher

was eliminated D1
Nero Cain,

Town Disloyal Roleblocker

was killed N1
Pickaxe Pete

Vanilla Townie

was killed N1
DrDolittle,

Mafia Goon

, was eliminated D2
I Keep Siteflaking,

Mafia Goon

, was killed N2
superbowl9,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed N2
NoPowerOverMe,

Vanilla Townie

, was eliminated D3
Hiraki,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed N3
Fwesnid,

Town 3-Shot Loud Gunsmith

, was killed N3

That looks like SEVEN dead townies to me. We lost MORE than half the Town for LESS than half the scum. Doesn't look that good to me.

*stares off into the distance blankly* context. Sometimes town tried. Sometimes town didn’t.

Something feels really off.

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A Watcher is ENOUGH to catch the Scum Doctor. But we do NOT have a DOCTOR claim even. So, either Titus is said Scum "Doctor" or JV is.

And DDL didn't necessarily claim Cop to draw a Cop claim. CHECK YOUR FACTS, bro. JV had ALREADY claimed his Cop ability BEFORE DDL ever claimed.

P-edit: How can you put "you're bright" & "you’re making a clear mistake" together in the same description??
You think I'm bright when I'm UNINFORMED, but I'm dull when I do have the info???

So what was the point of dolittle fake claiming cop then.
You’ve checked the facts.

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You don’t really have to claim further Jackson.

I’d prefer town looter claim next since no one has asked for a preference.

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I think what feels off is the town reads i’m suddenly getting.
They’re very late.

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So what was the point of dolittle fake claiming cop then.
You’ve checked the facts.

I'll probably figure it out post-game when the scum PT is released, so stay tuned.

But if you want a "guess off the top of my head" it was either him not paying attention to what JV had claimed, or they thought he was going down anyway so he trolls and gets hammered by a buddy to earn said buddy some towncred.

How do I put this?

Jackson is town. Focus on other stuff if you’re town.

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I think what feels off is the town reads i’m suddenly getting.
They’re very late.

What do you mean?

I feel like a large portion of the player list didn’t call me obv town until today.
And I don’t think I did anything recently to make me seem more town. I was partly responsible for miseliminating NPOM. Reads should be going down, not up.

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He’s town because of his play.

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Titus, I don’t know.

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No. It’s your problem if you can’t see that he’s town after over 750 posts.
Not mine.

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No. When I asked you to help save 72suit you didn’t.
You defended lapsa for no good reason.

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You might be bussing, but you’re probably scum.

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I don’t deny it’s unlikely that fwesnid investigated the one role that he’d get a negative result on while still being scum in regards to ydrasse. But it was weird to me that she wouldn’t be self aware enough to know that you’re not cleared after a gunsmith check.

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Rather, because i’m pretty sure she knows it, the fact she said it anyway pinged me.

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Musical mafia. :0

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Doesn’t mean it can’t mean something else or have a double meaning though.
You can wonder if 2 loud roles and both being town makes sense or not.
Based on mod taste. But it would be hard to get anywhere with my level of understanding.

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i said i was clear because i was a vt who got gun-checked and in fact do not have any ways to kill someone + i am no sort of killer

Okay. Let me know what you think about A50 when you’re caught up again.

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Just finished a game where scum was gone for 7 days and we spent the entire time poking at each other and wondering if we were in conspiracy. So stressful.

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It’s when there are no scum. But the town doesn’t know that.

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You know what would make this an ez game.
The two highest posters not being paranoid of the other (!)

Mmmmmm
Sorry norwe i can’t endorse you like I can jack.
Help catch scum today and maybe I can.

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uhhhhh i’m fine w flipping a50... i am familiar with the “don’t do a whole and chill” plan... haha

in all reality i think a50 at this point fits the poe and i’m mad hiraki was the shot from vig. however.

i think that if any of the pr are fake it’s because of the reasons a50 outlines on glitch. which... i don’t wanna flip glitch first.

Do you think he’s scum?

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It’s when there are no scum. But the town doesn’t know that.

Wait, how would the game ever end?

When the town figured out the mod was trolling or they got to elo.

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i am tired and hallucinating and meant titus

Rest well. Game will be here in the morning.

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The chances of Jackson being scum are very low.

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The chances of Jackson being scum are very low.

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Beforehand? No.but she is confirmed loud.
It’s a normal set up so she can’t switch loud on or off or throw sounds at players without actually visiting them.

She also, wasn’t on mm the past few nights.
I believe she protected fwesnid, me, and Mm.

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We know she isn’t a loud role blocker, or role(finder?) because fwesnid’s checks went through and I don’t think she’d waste the checks on us three.

As mentioned if there are two docs in this set up, she’s probably scum. But otherwise, she probably isn’t.

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I am starting to SR NEE again, the solve could be easily A50/Stan/NEE

Btw i just want you to know that i'm still internally puking from you actually pairing me with A50/Stan. Two of the players i've consistently scumread and hated all through this game.

Hey if they’re both scum, i’ll defend you.

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My plan completely failed last night, sad. Also I was refreshing the page for ages only to realise there was a new page... again

No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

Super late. Were you quoting me? Should I be suspicious of you for this?

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Doesn't that mean we have two gunsmiths though.

No it means we have 5-3+2-2 gunsmiths.

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My plan completely failed last night, sad. Also I was refreshing the page for ages only to realise there was a new page... again

No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

Super late. Were you quoting me? Should I be suspicious of you for this?

Idk what ur talking about.

Ah, I said the same thing in mafia QT in sin game.

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I missed the shelly night action gun guilty thing.
I guess i’m her pet town read.

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Did you know that shelly beat me by buddying me into submission in a newbie game recently?

And then she just did it again in front of me.
That’s cold.

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Why do we think Stan is scum btw.

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Besides never really fitting in.

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Roughly speaking norwe is correct.

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It doesn’t look like scum theatre to me at all.
Ignore the norwe vote on A50 for a min.

Also is she bussing a50 or is a50 clear.

Also, do we have too many power roles? We still have Ralph left to claim.

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There could be any number of PR's in any setup I don't think using "too many" is a thing you can really use without other means. I'll give my thoughts on setup spec because I have never done that before really and it seems really fun to try and think of.

pedit: I have been reading, are you talking about your push on them?

Obv town post.

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Hi I’m on phone and didn’t read half of this but LOOTER IS SCUM
VOTE: Looter

I’m VT and lynchbait

Two gunsmiths don’t make any sense

Probably false.
Elimination bait for a VT is a joke.

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What’s the point of flipping you if shelly flips scum? @TL.

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Not if the last scum is a deep wolf like Bell here.

Scum can easily be Wifoming

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Is there anything else we need to do today?

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Hold your votes until people check in.

Also agree with Stan, we’re being carried.

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Carried as in the power roles are doing all the work. We’re just along for the ride.

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This game seems extremely town sided.
Happily, that’s not my
Problem *smug*

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I think Shellyc is definitely scum.
You can see it in the way she did a 360 degree turn on me once outted as having a gun.

Dunno on norwe, not 100% on a50 due to shell bus.
I respect the motion detection. I was kinda getting sad you weren’t inviting me to the clubhouse.

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I meant 180. *cough*

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I don’t want to get ~too~ deep into wifom but I think we probably have both a scum doctor/role without a gun and a godfather of some kind.

Motion detection, watcher, 2 gun smiths. Day on day off investigate.
We have literally one vig and the second they shot scum they were cleared.
A watcher wouldn’t have confused the situation at all other than outting them early.
You’d see that from who they shot.

I wonder what flavor maf shelly will flip.

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Actually forget it. I’m probably wrong on set up spec.

@shellyc, thanks for joining us. See you at the end of the game.

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that doesn’t make any sense at all shelly.

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Oh.

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Oh. Thanks for letting me know.

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No, you won’t.
But that’s okay.
You might have a red rope pm, but you’re still town.

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I’m like willing to be a martyr here to expose looter because for ?????? Reason scum want me to be the lim

I mean, it’s possible I guess.
But you were playing pretty close to your scum game.
Town looter 1v1ing you is very -ev for scum him.
Let me check the set up again just to make sure.


The issue with your reversal of suspicion is that you had just reassured marshmallow Marshall that I was in fact probably town.
Why reassure him if you’re going to go down conspiracy lane 10 minutes later.

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Ninja, bullet proof, role blocker/jailer.

From what i’ve read I don’t think the neighborizor + motion detector makes sense? It says single target on motion detection.

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Glitch could you clarify how you role works?

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Or better yet just give me the role as named in your role pm.

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That’s precisely what she could be.
It’s not mathematically likely, but it is within the realm of possibility.

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There’s motion detectors and watchers and sheriffs and gunsmiths.
The idea is probably to create a net where just because you get a negative on something like ninja you can out them by finding a gun.
Of if you’re mafia doctor you can be outed by motion detector or watcher and get that claim contradicted.

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I’m like willing to be a martyr here to expose looter because for ?????? Reason scum want me to be the lim

I mean, it’s possible I guess.
But you were playing pretty close to your scum game.
Town looter 1v1ing you is very -ev for scum him.
Let me check the set up again just to make sure.


The issue with your reversal of suspicion is that you had just reassured marshmallow Marshall that I was in fact probably town.
Why reassure him if you’re going to go down conspiracy lane 10 minutes later.

That was more like 10 hours iirc.

A lot has happened. My progression on you is that you have a townie vibe but you know I know your meta and can play like how ya did in 2023. And much of your iso is IIOA and you’re not really trying to solve that much

Uh, day 1 I tried to solve a lot. Day 2 I agree. Day three I tried but messed up.
Day 4. Uh, you seem to have selective amnesia.

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K, when you flip scum this won’t matter anyway.

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VOTE: shellyc

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Any idea why you might have a gun shelly?

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I would have been demotivated day 3 if that wete true shelly. Both scum hadn’t flipped yet.

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That’s precisely what she could be.
It’s not mathematically likely, but it is within the realm of possibility.

Fair. I just don't think that's what she is, both because I don't see any legitimately good reason to scumread her and because "it's not mathematically likely", as you said.

Yeah, I mentioned it was a little odd that she said that when she knew it wasn’t 100% true though. She gave her explanation for what she meant though.

I don’t have a good reason to town read her either. We do have bigger fish to fry though.

@shellyc, good question. I would guess that you don’t have the gun until after whatever role should have it dies but because it’s an open set up we can just ask the mod.

Micc/manatee, would an unaware back up have a gun on them if they weren’t activated yet?

Also, I need to remember what nero’s Cain’s role did.

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the chances of that team being right with shellyc having a gun
And town looter claiming second gun Smith is very remote.

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i don’t know. While it’s extremely unlikely I die tonight with all the crap scum has to deal with.
I would ask that you get glitch to give his exact role name if i’m gone and we eliminate shelly early.

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gg. I got wrecked with big dumb town reads on the wrong people.

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It's probably me. There's nobody else that basically took his Jackson read, stepped on it and told him he was scum for daring to think it.