Large Normal 229 | Manatee's Musical Mafia | Game Over

[Ydrasse]

yoohoo everyone!

i will read through this the best i can over the next day or so but i would very much appreciate any sort of tl;dr

[Ydrasse]

we're truly martyrs, aren't we?

[Ydrasse]

okay.

next question: who is scum?

[Ydrasse]

also wow this vc is everywhere.

what's your opinion on 72 and a50? they have the most but that's not saying a lot atm.

[Ydrasse]

let me tap into my slot-ancestor's reads to see what they were thinking.

[Ydrasse]

hmmmm.

and norwegian?

[Ydrasse]

i think i'll start with isoing a50 and 72.

[Ydrasse]

a50 feels different than the game i played with him. he was scum in it.

[Ydrasse]

wait, my slot had /another/ ancestor?

[Ydrasse]

i haven't replaced out yet so it's locktown

[Ydrasse]

a50 feels different than the game i played with him. he was scum in it.

different how?

he feels to me a bit more relaxed? like, having fun even if he's also getting frustrated at times too.

i'll reread to see if i'm not being crazy and making things up but for right now i like the vibes.

[Ydrasse]

i feel like titus voting something out of the blue like that is in character tbh.

[Ydrasse]

honestly just reading that makes me assume town so i'm going to roll with that for the time being.

i feel like it's probably a coinflip as to whether or not glitch is telling the truth about their role but probing there doesn't seem like the best idea rn.

p-edit: ya, i shall let the gunsmith do as they please with a townie crown.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: norwegian

this is a soul-vote until i figure out if 72 is a good wagon

[Ydrasse]

honestly i feel that coming into the day this late i am just gonna nod at a majority of potential wagons and roll from there.

[Ydrasse]

72 don't do this to me.

i have a mighty vote i can wield upon your wagon

[Ydrasse]

on that menacing note i will return tomorrow

[Ydrasse]

ew to both these wagons.

[Ydrasse]

i too am vibing with a norway wagon right now. my vote was a good one.

stay strong town, let not this scum inflitrate our ranks.

[Ydrasse]

methinks that's an omgus

[Ydrasse]

also if i have to pick btwn the two top wagons right now i'll vote 72. the people on that wagon seem like townier folk

[Ydrasse]

i decided that for my sanity i don't wanna reread 100 pages and i'm working with the past few + then a flip. i'll start rooting around more d2

[Ydrasse]

also if i have to pick btwn the two top wagons right now i'll vote 72. the people on that wagon seem like townier folk

I feel the exact opposite. With a majority choosing 72 over titus it makes me think that the majority has scum helping it along.

...couldn't the majority also just be town voting scum?

pinpoint who you think is scum on it for me

[Ydrasse]

regardless i'd like to vote outside those wagons but i don't think that it'll play out like that

p-edit: hiraki? i was getting a good feeling abt their posting

[Ydrasse]

also that post implies a certain amount of confidence on hiraki but not on titus, who you are voting...?

[Ydrasse]

Ares towm . wan to town block ydrasse?

i just saw this post but ABSOLUTELY ralph

[Ydrasse]

i'm playing loose and fast right now and my reads come from the heart

[Ydrasse]

bell why do you have so many posts i do not want to read all of these

[Ydrasse]

tell me what fabric your pockets are lined with and i'll cut you a deal

[Ydrasse]

also what do you think abt the speed that the titus wagon grew?

[Ydrasse]

please put a little bit of silk in there for me.

and fair, at this point i'm vibing with that but i still wanna like... also flip scum, yknow?

[Ydrasse]

listen 5 is a big number to me. a bit frightening

[Ydrasse]

@Nero, what's your reads on Titus. I'm always SRing them in all games so I have no idea how to read them

*town

I know she does the the "I don't read upon replacing in" thing which is just bad town play (if shes town). I was a little worried though b/c last time we played together and she replaced in she was still pushing the top 2 wagons b/c according to her logic one of them had to be scum. Spoiler alert: they were both town

the justification is yucky too

Especially when there's flips. I avoid groupthink that way.

Also, Bell, I am totally scum. Those are the ones with the purple PMs right?

kinda pinged me though. I feel a bit like jokey Titus=scum Titus

but then

Glitch v Superbowl, let's see what happens.

kinda made me feel better since it felt a bit normal for her. See above.

I did

NOT

like Titus whole scale discreting me like she did it 2249 and then mea culpas out "opps didn't read!" 2252 and honestly makes me want to kill her or at least not care if she got lynched.

I don't really have an issue with the question that she asked in 2361 as I didn't even remember that 72 was scumreading IKS. 72 was being sligtly defensive here b/c he expected Titus to know that he ISOed IKS b/c he had moved on and IKS was next on his list. I think Titus felt like he was being dismissive early on so I can sorta understand her reaction but I felt the vote was pretty silly. I think this is a misunderstanding but in the back of my mind I think a scum Titus could have just been looking for a reason to vote 72.

Third, you flat out deny my theory exists

I just feel like this is a very Titusy thing to say do. Maybe that says more about who I am playing with than the alignment of the player but eh I'm giving town points.

this is the case i think...?

[Ydrasse]

literally everything that i've posted so far is "weak" + norwe already abandoned that vote

[Ydrasse]

i do in fact have somewhat of an awareness of what i post yes

thinking that is immediately scummy is lazy at best

[Ydrasse]

i literally quoted it for you a page ago

[Ydrasse]

ralph give me strength

VOTE: 72

the fact that 72 also was trying to attack me for having "no reasons" is also silly

[Ydrasse]

also the only pr claim that i think could be fake is the glitch one if only because it was so vague. not entirely sure on it tho

[Ydrasse]

hard cc because..

ok so basically? im monky

[Ydrasse]

a50 we're only supposed to admit that in our pt......

[Ydrasse]

hi, catching up now

[Ydrasse]

I don't feel like lynching a claimed or today.

Nero wanted stanley dead I think.
VOTE: stanley

super lazy + not great but i kinda feel the lazy part.

Does it not make sense that scum killing Nero is intended to set up a lynch on me or glitch?

I don't feel like lynching a claimed or today.

Nero wanted stanley dead I think.
VOTE: stanley

I just think this is a terrible reason to vote for me. How often do scum kill the person who scum reads them for the intention of getting them off their case? Just leads a trail back to them surely

correct to call it a not great reason but a) wifom b) why glitch is tacked on in this defense.

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okay i gave up on quoting honestly but

VOTE: stanley

given 2825 from fwe, i think that flipping stanley would probablyyyyy help resolve between fwe/glitch. i would very much like to have glitch claim as well but i think for the size of the game the amount of prs we have makes sense so far and i guess if he doesn't want to without the wagon... okay?

i liked jackson's 2770 even if i ultimately disagree with the conclusion of it; it feels good and like someone getting excited when they're onto something.

also if town!stanley is a thing i think that my soul vote is right and scum!norway is a thing.

[Ydrasse]

Don't hammer without claim from now on. We have a vigi and don't want to random lynch him/her.

this is IIoA

oh yeah. i didn't like this post.

[Ydrasse]

@norway: my post wasn't about resolving what claims were real or not it was about alignment. i didn't have much to say abt titus except that i believe the claim and it's something i'd probably want to visit later rather than sooner

[Ydrasse]

i do wonder though why glitch would claim to be something that is verifiable if scum!glitch is a thing

[Ydrasse]

also sorry @ 72 for the hammer getting dropped down like that w/o the claim, feel free 2 clown me for scumreading you after this game

[Ydrasse]

also doesn't seem like fwe has posted results

[Ydrasse]

shelly i didn't like that one post but you're speaking to my soul vote on norway from yesterday

let's be our own little townblock

[Ydrasse]

also i'm tired right now but tmrw i'll look at how the 72 wagon formed

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

VC1.21

With 21 alive it takes 11 to eliminate

72offsuit (11):

SJReaver, Almost50, Hiraki, Titus, town looter, I Keep Siteflaking, superbowl9, Ydrasse, NoPowerOverMe, JacksonVirgo, Pickaxe Pete

(ELIMINATION!)

Titus (2):

Fwesnid, Nero Cain

Ydrasse (2):

NorwegianboyEE, 72offsuit

NorwegianboyEE (2):

Glitch, Dr Dolittle

DrDolittle(1):

ralph217

Fwesnid (1):

Marshmallow Marshall

Not Voting (2):

stan1ey, Bell

Mod Notes:

1. 72offsuit will be eliminated

a sneak peak: without reading back i'd vote (on wagon) town looter, siteflaking, or npom. i was getting weird feelings from superbowl before but they've posted some good things lately + i think i'd revisit there only if titus flipped scum

off wagon: stanley, norwegian.

looking at this now i'll also end up looking into titus way sooner than i thought to see what nero was saying + fwe

[Ydrasse]

No problem

WAKES UP TO REALITY
IS THIS A POCKET?!

yes!

get cozy in it.

[Ydrasse]

yes, loud babysitter to be specific + siteflaking confirmed it

[Ydrasse]

i'm not great, at all, with setup spec but i feel that... loud babysitter makes sense? as town? announcing basically to potential scum that you're onto them, etc. esp if titus hadn't been forced to out it would allow for some counterplay for mafia...???

[Ydrasse]

i think fwe claimed loud as well

[Ydrasse]

loud gunsmith, yeah, makes... an equal amount of sense esp with at least 1 confirmed vig. false positives, blah blah.

[Ydrasse]

tho i guess it could be used for vig hunting if it's scum... bah

not going 2 dwell on that tonight, good night

[Ydrasse]

i do wonder though why glitch would claim to be something that is verifiable if scum!glitch is a thing

I don't think they ever claimed they were verifiable, just that they'll be a strong role later down the line.

oh? i might've made up the part where glitch explicitly claimed that but i feel that... whatever it is has to be proven /somehow/ but we shall not know of those secrets

[Ydrasse]

also sorry @ 72 for the hammer getting dropped down like that w/o the claim, feel free 2 clown me for scumreading you after this game

Wrong does not equal bad.

I think the wagon was good, just the outcome was bad. If that makes any sense, I'll have to relook at who jumped on and why.

i didn't say it was bad/wrong. just the hammer sucked esp since the claim would've probably deterred some ppl + presumably it meant that pete leeched up a vig shot because of it

it's easier to get a footing though at least with a flip so i kinda get it

p-edit: yeah, i'm not putting all of my weight into setup spec but until i actually read over titus in full i'm holding onto that read i had before. also yeah @ fwe regarding the information + the role there too. at the very least i think that they've claimed their real roles so far.

in a perfect world i think all three of them somehow would be town + the room to claim pr lessens for maf but my heart does not believe in that world

[Ydrasse]

that's fair, even so it woulda been a fighting chance

i'll be around tmrw to respond to some stuff and dig through d1 more

[Ydrasse]

i’ll hammer after fwes posts

if mm is vengeful shoot well + sorry for the luck

[Ydrasse]

oh, entirely possible

but in the event he’s real i hope he hits scum

[Ydrasse]

i think the issue is not asking if it is/isn't iioa (it is), but rather why you felt the need to point it out + how does it influence ur read onto siteflaking. it seems pedantic to point out especially when there's little more offered.

[Ydrasse]

okay, that post right there clears up the qualms i had about you just saying it was iioa. i know our townblock is firm.

[Ydrasse]

yeah, i think that warrants us... waiting? to see if anything's changed.

[Ydrasse]

yeaaah. i think bell's slot is something we revisit after mm tho.

[Ydrasse]

Okay ydrasse. Are you Mafia this game?

no am just covering all me bases

i think you're probably smart enough to not try and tie/stall out for your teammate if scum!mm

[Ydrasse]

the ones where i get little moments where your posts Unsettle me but it's like looking at a mildly creepy picture and i don't know if i'm making it up in my head or not

p-edit: bell don't be scummy you little rascal

[Ydrasse]

that seems kinda defensive for me saying after a flip i'm going to revisit your slot

[Ydrasse]

and i didn't call you scum. please point out where i said you are scum.

[Ydrasse]

yeaaah. i think bell's slot is something we revisit after mm tho.

Okay ydrasse. Are you Mafia this game?

no am just covering all me bases

i think you're probably smart enough to not try and tie/stall out for your teammate if scum!mm

i didn't think i'd have to spell this out BUT:

me saying that i am going to revisit you means that for now i am content to leave your slot out of the IMMEDIATE poe. it is on the condition that mm flips scum that you, who was trying to suggest alternatives as to what happened, that i would go back and see if the way that you pushed for that defense and re-evaluate you.

i am not sitting here saying bell, you are scum. i am saying that it is something to deal with later IF you are and it is not concerning to me.

what is now, however, is that you decided to overreact and vote park on me over this.

[Ydrasse]

also it's not pedantic if you are saying that i am calling you scum when i am not doing that, but instead suggesting a specific instance where i think you have potential to be scum that has yet to occur.

[Ydrasse]

i genuinely cannot fathom why are you blowing this up so much

[Ydrasse]

do you consider yourself a paranoid player, bell?

[Ydrasse]

are you going to try to engage me or are you going to double down on this

[Ydrasse]

there is a difference btwn engaging me and sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalala you're painting me as scum + ignoring something i asked you to get a better grasp on you as a player

p-edit: it's really not that far removed when we're sitting on a wagon that's only a few votes off from going through + contextualizing it as a 'later' problem (for me, personally) helps to give everyone a bearing on where my head is regarding the progression of things going forward.

[Ydrasse]

i’m not really sure it’s true engagement if you immediately shift to a rhetorical strategy.
Saying i’m overreacting isn’t real engagement is it?
@ydrasse maybe a little paranoid. I just lost a game.

i asked you a question (re: paranoia) and you instead were ignoring it and reacting in a way that is very ??? to me
i also think that me saying that i genuinely don't understand why you are reacting is an engagement in that it gives you room to explain + an understanding of how i am perceiving you

and if that was ur paranoia speaking in the last page i think you need to tune it down; me saying i will revisit you doesn't even mean i'll come out with a sr of it but you went to the worst possible conclusion

[Ydrasse]

no? lmao

i'm confused but i don't have anything that needs defending

[Ydrasse]

....i still feel fine with my vote where it is tbh..........

[Ydrasse]

sorry for no Content today the vibe wasn't lining up

[Ydrasse]

it has my +1 sure

[Ydrasse]

srry btw 4 not oposting a lot past day

[Ydrasse]

what the hell happened in here

[Ydrasse]

^ vote this out tmrw if the cop really is hammered

[Ydrasse]

^ vote this out tmrw if the cop really is hammered

why?

assuming that they’re a real cop it looks horrible trying to justify the way they were voted/hammered esp at the end of the wagon

[Ydrasse]

ya it still doesn’t look good

[Ydrasse]

saying “you weren’t being helpful btw” reads as v weak justification

[Ydrasse]

honestly if dolittle isn’t a cop i will retract only the wanting to vote u based on it. sometimes things just look bad but im waiting on the flip or lack thereof

+ regardless still saying that isn’t a great look @ur last post

[Ydrasse]

i’m fine w a massclaim

[Ydrasse]

are u hiding evil secrets in your claim glitch

[Ydrasse]

should wait to see what the other prs think before we do it tbh

[Ydrasse]

it’s just the fact that it’s in response 2 a cop claim is all @stanley. it might all be void if he’s scum and i’m the clown this game

also maybe d3 would be better for claims idk

[Ydrasse]

it’s just ur vibes bro

[Ydrasse]

so ddl wasn’t hammered?

[Ydrasse]

OH FUCK

i c-claim...

VOTE: ydrasse

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: stanley

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

VC2.05

With 18 alive it takes 10 to eliminate

DrDolittle (6):

ralph217, shellyc, superbowl9, NorwegianBoyEE, I Keep Siteflaking, NoPowerOverMe

Glitch (4):

DrDolittle, JacksonVirgo, Marshmallow Marshall, Titus

stan1ey (2):

Ydrasse, Fwesnid

NoPowerOverMe (2):

Almost50, Glitch, Hiraki

Ydrasse (1):

Bell

Not Voting (2):

stan1ey, Town looter

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-09-10 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

@mod:
this vc is missing marshmallow's vote (3330) and town looter's (3341) votes on dr. dolittle

ralph - 3211 (1)
shelly - 3290 (2)
superbowl - 3324 (3)
norwegian - 3327 (4)
mm - 3330 (5)
iks - 3332 (6)
npom - 3333 (7)
tl - 3341 (8)
jackson - 3356 (9)
jackson - 3370 (8)
stanley - 3373 (9)
jackson - 3407 (10)

this SHOULD be correct, i went through all the posts regarding dr. dolittle and this should contain everything. i didn't include the votes off-wagon but i'm pretty sure he's hammered. :>

p-edit: oh! i hope you feel better!

[Ydrasse]

i'm kind of checked out of this game admittedly but probably something like npom/stanley/iks/jackson(?)/and then maybe bell/a50??

[Ydrasse]

also sorry if it's pedantic to check over the vc again i just don't want the game to be compromised or anything :>

[Ydrasse]

that weird interaction i had w bell a few nights ago doesn't inspire too much confidence but i feel i'm more likely to be wrong there

iks just sort of.. fails to impress me? i can't recall anything they've posted? maybe if i reread them i'd change my mind but that solve is very much off the top of my head

p-edit: ya i feel a lot hinges on the flip rn

[Ydrasse]

i make no promises as to reading over the game until we have confirmation of a flip...

[Ydrasse]

^

i'm sorry dolittle... it's probably annoying if you are hammered after all of that but it's better to have the game not be messed up.

[Ydrasse]

gj @ yesterday's wagon! and i will humbly retract my suspicions now wrt the votes on dolittle

[Ydrasse]

it's a high risk high reward thing i think but also very silly to speculate about fmpov

[Ydrasse]

my soulread returns

[Ydrasse]

ralph started the dolittle wagon so i think that's an indication of town

[Ydrasse]

...it does when the wagon went through on scum though

[Ydrasse]

shelly i might have to dissolve our townblock if u keep this up

[Ydrasse]

does iks wanna vouch for glitch though knowing that if one of them goes down the other is cast in a pretty bad light?

[Ydrasse]

i guess that logic goes similarly for iks pushing hard to include norway in a neighborhood...?

[Ydrasse]

haha... unless?

[Ydrasse]

i feel like planning a neighbor claim from the get go isn’t the card you pull at this point so i think it’s safe to say that the neighborhood is real.

[Ydrasse]

was there anything that stuck out to you in the neighborhood?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: npom

[Ydrasse]

if it makes you feel better npom was in my solve yesterday

pretend i posted that in my vote post

[Ydrasse]

shelly is going a little wild

[Ydrasse]

want >>>>> move

[Ydrasse]

you’re wild and a lil cocky rn

[Ydrasse]

thirsty >>>>>>>>>> want

i don’t know anymore taemin songs

[Ydrasse]

tiger inside >>>>> all of these songs

[Ydrasse]

every time i remember jopping exists i get a very good chuckle

[Ydrasse]

also i think npom has given up

[Ydrasse]

bts wishes they could create anything that comes near tiger inside

[Ydrasse]

i’m fine w all the names being thrown out now i think if we power through them game’s over

[Ydrasse]

was thinking on it a bit and i’m fine w outing it now

i was fwe’s inno

[Ydrasse]

...this game is feeling pretty easy right now

of those, i don't think that it's tl/hiraki so my pool for us to elim/vig through is (bell, norway, a50, npom, stanley)

which... is fine?

[Ydrasse]

iks and dolittle didn't have a strong presence in the thread though, no? similarly i would say npom didn't, either. i don't think it would be surprising if npom was also scum being wagoned by virtue of our towniest voices just being like, Too Town to overcome.

[Ydrasse]

Not all players without a strong presence are scum though.

ya ik but i don’t think that dolittle/npom/iks together could do anything to sway things terribly and (again this is fmpov) with a game that feels easy i’m prone to believe that the scumteam would rather sink em or didn’t have a choice by virtue of not being townie enough/charismatic/etc etc

[Ydrasse]

iks and dolittle didn't have a strong presence in the thread though, no? similarly i would say npom didn't, either. i don't think it would be surprising if npom was also scum being wagoned by virtue of our towniest voices just being like, Too Town to overcome.

how is presence in the thread AI

demotivating is a thing, lurking is a thing, etc etc

you have gotten very arrogant it feels like

[Ydrasse]

what reason does town have to be demotivated rn

[Ydrasse]

demotivation in the face of two scum deaths isn’t it

it’s not ai but it’s unpleasant to me

[Ydrasse]

if you’re town npom it has been valiantly battled

[Ydrasse]

farewell brave npom

[Ydrasse]

do you guys think we can play bingo in here somehow

[Ydrasse]

sorry for not like, posting/giving thoughts in here but i just want the flip to go through. lol.

[Ydrasse]

let us OUUUUT

[Ydrasse]

i am conftown as well! i was gunsmith inno.

i’ll be around later to try and get back into this game properly.

[Ydrasse]

i’m also just vt.

[Ydrasse]

glitch, did you neighborize again or was it restricted by any modifers? i don’t remember it being the latter.

[Ydrasse]

i said i was clear because i was a vt who got gun-checked and in fact do not have any ways to kill someone + i am no sort of killer

[Ydrasse]

uhhhhh i’m fine w flipping a50... i am familiar with the “don’t do a whole and chill” plan... haha

in all reality i think a50 at this point fits the poe and i’m mad hiraki was the shot from vig. however.

i think that if any of the pr are fake it’s because of the reasons a50 outlines on glitch. which... i don’t wanna flip glitch first.

[Ydrasse]

i am tired and hallucinating and meant titus

[Ydrasse]

i’d probably take out... ralph and tl to leave a poe of shelly/a50/stanley/norway if all the prs are real

[Ydrasse]

also i’ll never rest!!

[Ydrasse]

though i will think it is supremely funny if titus is holding mm hostage to not shoot her

[Ydrasse]

a mafia “babysitter” sitting on the vig to avoid vigshot is just funny more than anything but the longer that they both live i think the more likely titus is scum.

[Ydrasse]

i do wonder why actually the babysitter and the babysitters target, also pr, is alive rn

[Ydrasse]

did titus make it clear she was on mm the past few nights?

[Ydrasse]

oh no lol i am just saying stuff rn i really am tired

nvm

[Ydrasse]

yeah in that case i think titus is fine, i really don’t think jv is scum so... fake pr if there is one is glitch but eh

i’d just elim in nonconfirmeds

[Ydrasse]

give us good tidings jackson

[Ydrasse]

soooooo. question rn.

why hasn’t the mafia killed titus who is protecting prs?

[Ydrasse]

it could be to cause this exact conversation where we’re confused and paranoid but i don’t get why you wouldn’t go for the advantage of killing two for one. unless they’re leaving it for endgame to win off numbers or s/t.

i’d almost suggest titus not protect anyone anymore for that reason because losing two prs at this point would be bad and our poe is pretty limited anyways.

[Ydrasse]

ralph got dolittle voted out i’m p sure so

[Ydrasse]

i’ll wait for results before i vote but consider my vote on stan at heart

[Ydrasse]

i eagerly await

[Ydrasse]

sorry for being disengaged from this game, tonight i’ll try to sit down and put thought into it. i’ve also come to the conclusion normals aren’t really my thing.

does it make sense for there to be a town loud babysitter and a mafia doc (in a theoretical where i’m maf doc)? like, in that situation titus gets the obvious benefit of being confirmable for their role. i as maf doc... have to claim vt in that situation, because two protectives doesn’t seem well balanced even with a vig. or cc titus knowing that her visits are the ones people can guarantee.

idk, i really just don’t get why titus is alive right now with a pattern of visiting prs this entire time. there’s the wifom of yeah she could switch to someone else like maf but she just... hasn’t.

[Ydrasse]

uh, i don't have a lot to add right now. i think something is fucky with the prs currently and there's probably like. one in there somewhere.

ralph is in my townblock forever so i don't wanna vote him but also i struggle to like... figure out what he accomplished by like. starting the dolittle wagon? i think that he had a pretty strong presence wanting to vote out that slot when i don't see much benefit to it? i will look to see where his other votes were but that sticks in my mind, idk.

[Ydrasse]

I have a soft clean on Glitch.
Stop voting him.

also did we ever talk about this? lol.

we never got to figure out what the soft was since... yknow... iks got killed during the night.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: DDL

L-1

and i wonder if iks would bus one partner and townread/clear the other...

[Ydrasse]

oh yeah glitch recruited iks

the things we forget this game

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: no elim

just for tonight, might change mind tomorrow.

[Ydrasse]

i knew titus was no good!!!!

[Ydrasse]

>:( i will remember this...

gg though!! sorry for the low activity halfway through!

[Ydrasse]