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[AaronFrost]

Oh boy this is gonna be a game. Of mafia. That we are gonna play.

[AaronFrost]

If all 20 people who first confirmed are able to get here and vote TSE then we're nearly there!

I legit doubt we'll get another legitimate wagon with 50 people here. So let's do this right the first time.

We only need 26 votes to lynch

VOTE: Hectic

I will always """"randomly"""" vote Hectic

[AaronFrost]

Oh boy this is gonna be a game. Of mafia. That we are gonna play.

Are the Traitor of your team? Too bad nobody crumbed scum in their first post though.

Yeah I rolled traitor again and that makes me sad

Playing as a traitor is hard

[AaronFrost]

Hello pink 8-bit dog

[AaronFrost]

Hello pink 8-bit dog

Hello mr. Hollow.

Are you aligned with scum!Elsa?

I'm Mr. Quote now

I rolled traitor sadly and Elsa isn't in my faction

[AaronFrost]

We should at the very least wait for everyone to check in first before we decide on a lynch. I don't want this to turn into a 500 page D1, but I also don't want like 20 lurker slots going into D2.

[AaronFrost]

We should at the very least wait for everyone to check in first before we decide on a lynch. I don't want this to turn into a 500 page D1, but I also don't want like 20 lurker slots going into D2.

I have so many feels about this post. Why you wanting to drag the day and post count out AF? The very last time I saw you in such a situation, you were scum.

FITE me!

I explicitly said that I don't. I don't want it rushed, but I don't want it dragged out either. I want a nice, balanced day.

FITE me!

[AaronFrost]

We should at the very least wait for everyone to check in first before we decide on a lynch. I don't want this to turn into a 500 page D1, but I also don't want like 20 lurker slots going into D2.

Are you proposing we lynch Nips already? I'm in!

hastag flip the nips

[AaronFrost]

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.
Also, do you all honestly think I’m still toxic?

Maybe you should, "SPIN THE WHEEL," to find out which one it is

ftr I think you're fine and not toxic. You've gotten better.

[AaronFrost]

First things first: I HATE Day 1. It's the worst part of the game and I usually try to get by without posting a single time in this day phase. So if someone could lolhammer as SOON a possible, that's be very helpful.

Sure I'll start a flashlynch on you buddy

[AaronFrost]

TSE is probably town tbh

[AaronFrost]

So this has started. And at 9 pages already, Which honestly seems low for a game this big even though it's only been 4 hours.

I see a lot of fluff but do have one solid scumread.

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

I kinda hate this pop in & vote actually

VOTE: Jackal

[AaronFrost]

TSE is probably town tbh

That's a pretty strong statement.

It's mostly a gut feeling from the way his wagon formed and the fact that people want to policy lynch him despite there being no real reason to do that

[AaronFrost]

Oh I know, I've played with him before and I know his playstyle. I think he's gotten a lot better recently but that's just me.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: No Lynch

Unless half this player list is down to lynch garmr scum

I really think this is the right day 1 move just with how impossible it will be to create wagons

HeyBBMolla, Have you read the game? The first two pages have proved that it's not impossible to create wagons.

[AaronFrost]

TSE is probably town tbh

That's a pretty strong statement.

It's mostly a gut feeling from the way his wagon formed and the fact that people want to policy lynch him despite there being no real reason to do that

But your saying he is town. That doesnt match up with what you say your gut reaction is.

What you saying with your gut is that you can see no reason why anyone should suspect him of being scum. If your read was genuine based on what you saying your gut is telling you. Then you would be saying you think so far he is null. Or you woudl said x and x is why i think tse is town. But you dont you just say reason why you think those voting him are suspect.


Feels almost like your saying the provable - tse is town move along, nothing to see here.

So why do you town read him? And not why you dont scum read him. as those are two different things

What? It does match up? My gut reaction is that TSE is probably town. He's got a bunch of votes on him already and a lot of them feel very opportunistic. His play itself doesn't really warrant the scum reads in my opinion and the fact that so many are quick to jump and vote him here points towards him being town.

Also Loud Bodyguard is self resolving and he's apparently repped out.

[AaronFrost]

Loud Bodyguard seems like a dumb fake claim to fake honestly as that'll literally get disproven in a single night if it's false

[AaronFrost]

@bob

He's got a bunch of votes on him already and a lot of them feel very opportunistic. His play itself doesn't really warrant the scum reads in my opinion and the fact that so many are quick to jump and vote him here points towards him being town.

[AaronFrost]

Loud Bodyguard seems like a dumb fake claim to fake honestly as that'll literally get disproven in a single night if it's false

i think last completed town game or second from last. The last scum alive claimed informed bodygaurd when voted to l-1 on day one. He later flipped 1 shot strongman

So if he was fake claiming why would he claim loud then? Loud tells the person he protects that they were visited by TSE so if no one got a message that they were visited by TSE then obviously his claim would be a lie.

[AaronFrost]

He's got a bunch of votes on him already and a lot of them feel very opportunistic. His play itself doesn't really warrant the scum reads in my opinion and the fact that so many are quick to jump and vote him here points towards him being town.

I believe this has been mentioned already, but there are 37 town players in this game. I find it odd that you're getting town "feels" and a "gut" townread on TSE because... let's see, approximately 10(?) people have placed their vote on his wagon.
It doesn't really prove anything.

I think it's a lot more than 10 at this point

[AaronFrost]

bob I've already answered why I think TSE is likely town. It's not a read I'm willing to die on, but it's one of the only reads I have right now.

If you want me to comment on his actual play, there's nothing AI. The scum motivated wagon on him is what points to him being town. I'm not gonna keep repeating myself.

[AaronFrost]

Do you think what TSE described in 364 is truthful? Namely that he didn't realize there were votes on him before he claimed?

--

Honestly, yes. He claimed loud bodyguard in his very first post of the game so it's entirely possible he had just checked the thread and didn't realize he was being wagoned.

PEDIT: TSE if you're actually replacing out then please stop posting. If you're not, then stop pretending that you are.

[AaronFrost]

Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.

I disapprove equally of hyperposting and hyperghosting.
VOTE: gobble
to generate some discussion

How often have you played with Hectic dave? What discussion do you hope to generate with a gobble vote?

[AaronFrost]

but there are plenty of town that post reasonless read list. Mastina for instance.

Posting reads lists like that, at least to me, is a good way to make yourself look busy without actually doing anything or participating in discussion, which is scummy. I think it's also unreasonable to have reads on every single player who's posted up until now which is why it looks especially faked in a game of this size.

[AaronFrost]

if we are lynching scummy dudes then the game will start to resolve itself over time

This is my school of thought this game.

Honestly same, probably won't be trying super hard this game until at least half the people are gone and I can start doing some actual solving.

[AaronFrost]

So ... in a neighborhood with {redacted} but Black Ranger is in there. He did the whole "Look at how super helpful I am being" entrance combined with the "you know there's totally scum in this neighborhood ... you REALIZE that right?" thing. For as long as I've been on this site, and probably before that, those two behaviors in a neighborhood have been super scum indicative.
x.

Yeah, I'm willing to lynch on the basis of this. Kirari pings me a bit. I have no idea why anyone town would ever speculate about who is and isn't a mason, or ask others to do so. And there are Nero-Kirari links; Nero reads like a partner who is trying to draw heat away from Hirari without committing to saying he has a town read. But the "neighbor who points out there might be scum in the hood is herself scum" tell is stronger than any day one associative.

How strong is this tell and do you or Drixx have any examples of this behavior? I'm a little familiar with hood mechanics, but not enough to determine one way or the other.

[AaronFrost]

Is TSE replacing out or not?

I'm on p25 and he's still posting and the mod hasn't confirmed whether he's replacing.

[AaronFrost]

So the problem is a lot of my games are so long ago that remembering specifics is hard. There's one game that sticks in my mind where a scum did that, all the town neighbors

actually had it in their role pms that the hood contained scum

but explained it so badly that we didn't lynch the scum. I'll look for it.

Hmm I dont think hoods pms have that anymore, I think they're just supposed to say that the alignments of your neighbors are unknown.

That kind of entrance does feel LAMISTy though. Like I'd probably scumread that kind of entrance in the main thread, but putting that kind of entrance in a hood especially feels like a pocket attempt.

VOTE: Black Ranger

[AaronFrost]

Is TSE replacing out or not?

I'm on p25 and he's still posting and the mod hasn't confirmed whether he's replacing.

why does that bother you?

Because either he's lying about replacing out and using that to AtE or he's actually replacing out but continuing to post regardless.

[AaronFrost]

Is TSE replacing out or not?

I'm on p25 and he's still posting and the mod hasn't confirmed whether he's replacing.

why does that bother you?

Because either he's lying about replacing out and using that to AtE or he's actually replacing out but continuing to post regardless.

If he's lying about replacing out then that's worth a policy lynch imo

[AaronFrost]

Self reminder that I'm at the top of p26

[AaronFrost]

i'd unvote the energy-guy, but I don't buy the claim. at all.
pedit: lol

Why does scum claim loud bodyguard, a claim which will easily be disproven if he's still alive tomorrow and no one gets the loud message?

[AaronFrost]

yeeah. supes hard to believe ya wouldn't know 'wake on day 1' post when ya see one.

What does Wake's posting have to do with anything? The majority of people that I've played with dislike Day 1 and I think it's pretty obvious that Hectic is memeing with that, which is NAI for him.

If you're talking about Chemist pushing him for that, then yeah that's a weird angle to push. Chem what's your experience with Hectic?

[AaronFrost]

If this is important to solving Hectic, can you explain 'Wake on day 1'?

I don't think it is, but it's relevant to solving people around Hectic.
'Wake on day 1' is that 'i hate day1 and am not gonna do anything'-thing.

Except that doesn't really matter when Hectic is obviously memeing and doesn't actually hate Day 1.

[AaronFrost]

Okay. So I was going to vote BR. I'm with Drixx on that, but the hood situation has changed slightly, so I'm waiting to see what happens there. I do however want to see more pressure here.

VOTE: Kirari Momobami

Oh? Can't wait to hear more about this.

[AaronFrost]

Oof this is bad AF. If you don't realize by now that day 1 is a gold mine for game solving, you need to go back to mafia school. There's like 3 separate games going on right now in this thread, and which one(s) people are choosing to interact with will be crazy meaningful as the game progresses. You're not likely to arrive at a complete solve this early, but you can certainly get a very good foundation.

I'm obv!novice, and I think I agree with this. I think it's all really muddy. But there's certainly plenty to prod at. Especially if my suspicions are right and there's at least 5 PTs. (2 scum, 2 hoods, 1 mason is my guess)

I'm still reading and observing, so it's not like i'm not playing the game, I'm still gonna participate in discussions and whatnot. I just won't be super high effort until late game, if i live that long.

[AaronFrost]

~snip BS reads list~

You sorted the entire player list when at least 10 people haven't even posted yet? Do tell how you managed that.

Yeah that list was pretty gross, but I'm assuming it's not real unless Dolly wants to claim otherwise.

[AaronFrost]

@Dolly is your reads list serious or a randomized joke?

Of course its serious.

Well that answers that then

[AaronFrost]

The hood does not have a list of people with access to it. It actually says the opposite.

That’s interesting. I’m also in a neighbourhood, but mine lists all the people with access at the top.

Something feels off with this, generally hoods, or any PTs for that matter are supposed to list all the people who are in it.

@Saus -

are you in the same hood as BR or are you in a different hood?

@Drixx -

can you confirm that Black Ranger is telling the truth about the hood not having a list of people in it?

[AaronFrost]

PINK BALL HOW COULD YOU BETRAY THE EARTH LIKE THIS

[AaronFrost]

i'd unvote the energy-guy, but I don't buy the claim. at all.
pedit: lol

Why does scum claim loud bodyguard, a claim which will easily be disproven if he's still alive tomorrow and no one gets the loud message?

Mate, stop being surface level (that's me trying to get FL's attention, as I somehow feel he IS ion this game under an alt).

Theoretically, he could be Loud ANYTHING (Loud Role Cop for instance). Tomorrow someone IS going to announce they were visited by TSE (or maybe the mod will. I dunno which version of Loud Wake is using). The target will be a Town read slot by most (which will justify why they was "protected"), but the fact is they were targeted by a SCUM ROLE COP and their role is now known to them.

How is that?

Now I'm not saying this must be the case. I am not voting TSE myself. But it bugs me when people go down that route, and YOU OF ALL should know better, having just been SCUM WHO FAKED A ROLE recently yourself.

I mean honestly, I feel like that claim is just self-resolving since he's most likely gonna die early. If he's still alive on like D5 then I'll be concerned. I have no interest in lynching TSE today.

[AaronFrost]

Explain Tictac, AF and S_S Reads.

woo

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

I liked the woo; also joining a bandwagon to help get the game started is +townie

SS I didn't like the SK claim or the way he's made three separate posts just to say "hello" to people basically. I've been looking for reasons to townread him in his more recent posting and haven't seen anything yet

Oh boy this is gonna be a game. Of mafia. That we are gonna play.

Oh boy this is gonna be a game. Of mafia. That we are gonna play.

Are the Traitor of your team? Too bad nobody crumbed scum in their first post though.

Yeah I rolled traitor again and that makes me sad

Playing as a traitor is hard

91 is a really awkward entrance

claiming traitor in multi-ball is pretty survivalistic

don't see any reason to townread AF rn

**

OK, so why did you choose those three names? Do you disagree on any of them or were you simply choosing one from each category?

These reasons feel like lazy bs and not well thought out, it reads like you don't actually believe in these reads and are just grasping at reasons to justify them. What about SS saying 'hello' to people makes him more likely scum over town? Why is my 'awkward' entrance or my fake traitor claim at the beginning of the game scum indicative? Have you read the rest of my posts that have actual game content in them? Are you actually serious with that tictac read?

I also don't like how you've been constantly asking for others' opinions on your reads without engaging with them yourself, it looks like you're attempting to get someone to agree or verify your position.

[AaronFrost]

I think Drixx's play here is a huge contrast from TvA and I don't think I want to lynch there today.

I'm basically trying to sort people into "would lynch D1" and "would not lynch D1"

[AaronFrost]

What about SS saying 'hello' to people makes him more likely scum over town? Why is my 'awkward' entrance or my fake traitor claim at the beginning of the game scum indicative? Have you read the rest of my posts that have actual game content in them? Are you actually serious with that tictac read?

these are explanations of reads specifically given on page 12, thirty pages ago, which is another reason that asking for explanations of reads in a game this fast can be dumb. We're now 30 pages later and people are still arguing over a readslist that is no longer up to date

SS was null/nullscum at the time, otherwise known as the "would lynch" pile but he's now town

Your entrance was awkward, faking a traitor claim in multiball is scummy, and your posts since then have not improved my read of you, including your omgus and shade right now

That you're asking about the tictac read from 30 pages ago but not asking about the push on tictac RIGHT NOW from a bunch of other slots is really weird. I do still think tictac is town but now more because I don't see why she decides to push TSE-slot AFTER it is replaced by a far more charismatic player, even if the reasoning there was admittedly really bad

30 pages in this game is the equivalent of like 24 hours in real time, so I'd expect most of those reads to at least be somewhat relevant. I'm also in catchup mode right now but tictac was giving me scum vibes with some of their early posting.

[AaronFrost]

Titus is a shorter name than TSE's so is easier to vote.

eyy. coolio.
VOTE: Titus

to be clear: loud-foo not gonna exist in 50p game cause it's annoying to mod and mechanically too uninteresting to bother.
Also, it's easy as pie to claim roleblocked tomorrow, so why

not

claim it as scum.

Chemist read is also a read and not sarcasm (@dave, tho u used the word 'sarcasm' correctly! so concrats.)
Also never claimed i was trying to 'figure him out', so nyah at insomnia.

Wow I hate this vote.

First of all, saying we should get rid of a player who claimed loud to make it easier on the mod is like the definition of trying to justify a vote. Second, claiming they were roleblocked is assuming that A) we have a roleblocker and B) any roleblockers that exist wouldn't come out and say "yeah I didn't block Titus, she's lying" and roleblocking a claimed protective is basically a scumclaim anyways. Titus will self-resolve because she likely won't live very long.

[AaronFrost]

I think Drixx's play here is a huge contrast from TvA and I don't think I want to lynch there today.

I'm basically trying to sort people into "would lynch D1" and "would not lynch D1"

hello not town, how are you today?

vote profil if you aren't on his team

I'm very much town thanks. I don't have a good read on profii one way or the other, would rather lynch elsewhere today.

[AaronFrost]

30 pages in this game is the equivalent of like 24 hours in real time, so I'd expect most of those reads to at least be somewhat relevant. I'm also in catchup mode right now but tictac was giving me scum vibes with some of their early posting.

What early posts from tictac did you scumread?

Spoiler:

I mean I wouldn't exactly be broken up about the prospect of mislynching today; even if the wagon we end up getting together is shitty, it still gives more information than a policy lynch does.

This is not true.
A policy lynch can give just as much info as a regular one.

+ info lynching is way shittier than policy lynching.

Really felt like they were trying to justify hopping on the TSE bandwagon.

I'll need to go see if hectic plays every d1 like this but for someone who claims to be lurking/observing he is posting a lot of nothing

He's doing a Wake impersonation.
Have u never played with Wake?

@Egix: u too

there was someone i meantto ask this of, butI don't remember who.

This felt like a weird thing to point out

Hey all.

There's nothing I hate more than Day 1. If you gave me the option of playing a neutral hated survivor, or Day 1, I'd pick the survivor every single time. I'll be taking notes in the background for now. Someone should let me know when we enter Day 2.

Observing for now.

Honestly I think Hectic is scummy because this is the second time he's brought this up and now it feels like he's covering for lack of content

yeeah. supes hard to believe ya wouldn't know 'wake on day 1' post when ya see one.

This felt like a weird reason to scumread Chemist as well.

[AaronFrost]

I'm very much town thanks. I don't have a good read on profii one way or the other, would rather lynch elsewhere today.

Does town sort between "would lynch" and "wouldn't lynch? It just seemed like a really weird thing to say.

I don't feel super confident that I'll have accurate reads in a game this size until we start flipping people.

[AaronFrost]

Hopping on this

VOTE: tictac

[AaronFrost]

Really felt like they were trying to justify hopping on the TSE bandwagon.

Why is justifying a vote scummy?

This felt like a weird thing to point out

Why is observing that someone is off on tone because they're doing an impersonation "weird"? Isn't that just shutting down a bad argument by providing new information?

This felt like a weird reason to scumread Chemist as well.

Why is it a "weird" reason to you and not a "scummy" reason if you're saying she's scum for it? Like I don't know how well chemist and tictac and wake all know each other but I don't think it's likely tictac is going to get a lynch on chemist for failing to notice Hectic doing a wake impression

Like I feel like you're more focusing on convoluted thought processes rather than scummy thought processes

Scum want to hop on wagons, but they don't want to hop on wagons without reason, they want to give some justification for it.

The thing with tictac pointing out Wake's meta felt weird to me, generally weird = scummy. Wake, who is modding the game btw not playing it, is someone who is known to say "I hate Day 1" and then proceeds to lurk for the entire day. Hectic's doing the same thing here, the difference being that Hectic is actually playing the game whereas if he wanted to imitate Wake's playstyle he would just continue to lurk, which he's not. There's no correlation between their play here.

[AaronFrost]

I've looked at Profii's ISO. And while i don't see much reason to outright believe he is town. I'd prefer putting tictacs vote on TSE and Black Ranger's supposed weird hood playstyle under more scrutiny. They are scummier.

just in case you didn't get my point why I think profii is scummy for having more town reads than scum reads. There are 37 town, a second scum team of 6 and a SK. That's effectively 44 town. He can call practically the entire game town and be mostly right. Town reading is a low key pocket. He's scum but ok.

This might be true if we're in singleball, but in multiball scum genuinely have to scumhunt too and probably have more incentive to do so to fulfill their wincon. Why would it make sense for scum to try and pocket someone when their goal is to eliminate the other scum team?

[AaronFrost]

if they are happy and comfortable in the current game state they don't want it t change. I don't think that's something a town 2011 join date asks.

And how do you know scum are comfortable with the current gamestate?

[AaronFrost]

Scum isn't gonna try to pocket anyone this game huh aaron?

Because scum don't know who's town or who's scum? They only know the people on their own team. They have 6 other scum plus a serial killer in addition to town to worry about.

[AaronFrost]

Pink floof what did you think of 1597?

They are both wrong and it's a discussion that ultimately doesn't matter at all

When does town argue "one scumteam's goal is to eliminate the other scumteam" in multiball? That feels like scum positioning

How is that scum positioning? That's literally a fact

[AaronFrost]

I'm not nitpicking though, I'm trying to understand Nero's profii read because I don't think it makes much sense. There are far scummier slots and Nero is being uncooperative by continuing to tunnel profii despite there being far scummier slots to wagon right now. If that comes off as nitpicking, then so be it.

Anyways I have to go, not fully caught up as of right now, hope to be by tonight.

[AaronFrost]

I'm not nitpicking though, I'm trying to understand Nero's profii read because I don't think it makes much sense. There are far scummier slots and Nero is being uncooperative by continuing to tunnel profii despite there being far scummier slots to wagon right now. If that comes off as nitpicking, then so be it.

Anyways I have to go, not fully caught up as of right now, hope to be by tonight.

Discussing what's one scumteam's best strategy in multiball is nitpicking

I was trying to say that Nero's reasons for scumreading profii were weak and I don't think having more townreads than scumreads is AI in the slightest.

[AaronFrost]

The thing with tictac pointing out Wake's meta felt weird to me, generally weird = scummy. Wake, who is modding the game btw not playing it, is someone who is known to say "I hate Day 1" and then proceeds to lurk for the entire day. Hectic's doing the same thing here, the difference being that Hectic is actually playing the game whereas if he wanted to imitate Wake's playstyle he would just continue to lurk, which he's not. There's no correlation between their play here.

alas, for all my affectations of intellectual superiority i have sadly yet to unlock the elusive secrets of acausal mafia-playing. It is therefore tragically always the case that every single post of mine must be based on those posts that come

earlier

in the cosmic order and

not

on those posts that arrive

later

.

Also, why does the specific focus on 'Wake' matter, since you agree that Hectic was obviously memeing in 862?

It felt like a weird thing to bring up, especially since the game you were talking about (the one he co-modded with me) Wake was A) scum and B) trying to break out of his "I hate Day 1 so I'm gonna lurk" meta. Why would you expect Chemist to know his playstyle based on that?

[AaronFrost]

I'm not nitpicking though, I'm trying to understand Nero's profii read because I don't think it makes much sense. There are far scummier slots and Nero is being uncooperative by continuing to tunnel profii despite there being far scummier slots to wagon right now. If that comes off as nitpicking, then so be it.

Anyways I have to go, not fully caught up as of right now, hope to be by tonight.

Is this finally the rare game where you're town with me? Please say it is.

As long as you're town this game then yes it is

[AaronFrost]

Or to put it another way Nero you have so fucking many scum reads (or "reads") you're gonna be right on a few of them by simple chance.

Note to self: Try out the new mafia strategy of accusing everyone of being scum. You're guaranteed to be right somewhere.

[AaronFrost]

I’m novice tracker neighbour. You don’t want to kill me, because now all 3 non-town-aligned teams know about me. I’m a powerful role, at least after day one, and none of them will want me to survive. Therefore, they will all put me as their nk, or risk my survival.

By not killing me, you save yourself.

Ugh why did you claim, you were nowhere close to being lynched. This could probably still be a scum role though.

What does the bolded even mean? If we don't lynch you then we have to lynch someone else.

[AaronFrost]

He's right though. He still probably eats a scum nightkill even if he is scum.

This shouldn't deter people from voting him if they think he's scum. I don't think his claim itself makes it more or less likely that he's scum honestly. I think that the fact that he felt pressured to claim despite being nowhere close to the lynch threshold is scum indicative. Dolly's vote immediately after that claim is gross though.

PEDIT: Oh shit Hectic's on to me, time to hide in the scum PT

[AaronFrost]

votecounts should be way more common in a game like this!

Did you expect good modding in a 50 player?

Why are we suddenly criticizing the mod? We don't need vote counts on every single page

[AaronFrost]

I’m novice tracker neighbour. You don’t want to kill me, because now all 3 non-town-aligned teams know about me. I’m a powerful role, at least after day one, and none of them will want me to survive. Therefore, they will all put me as their nk, or risk my survival.

By not killing me, you save yourself.

Ugh why did you claim, you were nowhere close to being lynched. This could probably still be a scum role though.

What does the bolded even mean? If we don't lynch you then we have to lynch someone else.

It meant that instead of scum nk'ing different town, they'll nk me. As all scum will want to kill me, they may end up wasting 2 of their nks, thereby saving two town.

You're novice though so I doubt scum would waste a kill on you N1 when you can't do anything anyways.

[AaronFrost]

I don't think his claim itself makes it more or less likely that he's scum honestly. I think that the fact that he felt pressured to claim despite being nowhere close to the lynch threshold is scum indicative.

you know who else did this?

TSE

Loud Bodyguard will self resolve a lot sooner than novice tracker neighbor. Also Rex's play has actually been scummy whereas TSE/Titus's hasn't. Loud bodyguard is probably more likely to come from town than what Rex claimed.

Also... it's TSE.

[AaronFrost]

He's right though. He still probably eats a scum nightkill even if he is scum.

This shouldn't deter people from voting him if they think he's scum. I don't think his claim itself makes it more or less likely that he's scum honestly. I think that the fact that he felt pressured to claim despite being nowhere close to the lynch threshold is scum indicative. Dolly's vote immediately after that claim is gross though.

PEDIT: Oh shit Hectic's on to me, time to hide in the scum PT

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I'd thought I was a lot closer to being lynched, and

I didn't want various anti-town factions hopping on my wagon.

Also, I didn't want to risk waiting for a votecount, and thought I would have to make the claim now or possibly get lynched.

Why not? If you can identify who the anti-town on your wagon are, then that's good information for town in case you ever flip. You can look at who's votes were most opportunistic. Your play here feels very survivalistic.

[AaronFrost]

This shouldn't deter people from voting him if they think he's scum. I don't think his claim itself makes it more or less likely that he's scum honestly. I think that the fact that he felt pressured to claim despite being nowhere close to the lynch threshold is scum indicative. Dolly's vote immediately after that claim is gross though.

I disagree with every sentence here

It should absolutely deter people! If he's going to die anyway, you're wasting a lynch while giving the scumteam that would have killed him an extra kill.

What makes you so sure scum is going to kill him N1? He claimed novice, he can't get results on N1.

That role is definitely more likely to be town than scum, especially given that it's novice and the scumteams here need all the help they can get. Of course it could be a fakeclaim, but it definitely leans him more town.

I disagree, I don't think the role has any bearing on his alignment given how many phases this game can potentially go through.

If he were scum who wanted to rush out a claim before he got killed... why wouldn't he claim something that gets immediate results? It's perfectly consistent with indignant town who is scared of pressure.

Again, he's novice. If he was scum, then he'd have to either fake a result, or out his actual result. Gives him some leeway as to why he's still alive D2. Scum probably will kill him regardless N2 though so you do have a decent point there.

Dolly's vote isn't gross, it's her opinion that Rex's claim shouldn't save him. Expressing your opinion when it's weird or against the grain is towny.

There wasn't much opinion expressed behind Dolly's vote though, it was just... a naked vote

[AaronFrost]

If it was a more managable gamesize yeah. But I said it earlier.

Claiming when there's already 20 people voting for you and expecting them all to move is asking too much. Him claiming now while a reasonable amount of people are voting him is the right move.

A lot of people have moved off TSE onto tictac and from tictac onto Rex, and it seems like a lot are moving from Rex to Dolly now so wagons can form in an instant here, especially since a good chunk of the playerlist probably hasn't read much and just pop in from time to time and vote the top wagon.

[AaronFrost]

How am I going to identify for certain the anti-town an my wagon? I can only see who visits who, not people's alignments. Even if I could, it'd take ages for there to be enough nights for me to check them all.

Not by night actions, but by analyzing the votes and looking at who was the most opportunistic.

[AaronFrost]

Dolly is a big pile of null but does scum make an attention-getting vote like that?

Maybe, if she didn't think the vote would get as much attention as it did. Part of me is wondering if Dolly even read and just popped in to vote the top wagon.

[AaronFrost]

Semi V/LA until Monday

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Black Ranger

[AaronFrost]

Please consolidate

[AaronFrost]

I'll try to catch up with this tonight

[AaronFrost]

About 25 pages behind, will try to read some. Has Black Ranger been lynched yet?

[AaronFrost]

Oh hey this is a thing.

Yeah sorry I'm still behind and this game has been sorta low priority for me right now. Shamless /prodge as I don't have time to fully catch up but I'll try to find the time soon.

[AaronFrost]

Hi Hectic <3

[AaronFrost]

Hi Hectic <3

How's it going, Aaron!? <3

Do you regret joining this game yet?

I regret nothing. This day is pretty boring though.

VOTE: tictac

[AaronFrost]

If tictac claims a power role, we should probably find a new wagon. I'm liking the look of that eth0s wagon. I don't think we can really afford to risk lynching a power role on day 1. It would be too harmful to the town and give the mafia a massive advantage.

And what makes you think that scum wouldn't just claim pr?

[AaronFrost]

So who all has claimed vig?

[AaronFrost]

I've been pretty terrible at keeping up with this game but this day is also dragging on for way too long

[AaronFrost]

Hollow Knight is the story of a semi-undead who murders the last and strongest necromancers of his people, correct?

Sort of yeah

[AaronFrost]

I wanted Kirari lynched but apparently no one else did *shrug*

VOTE: Black Ranger

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Black Ranger

I don't want to delay a scum lynch, but did someone claim loud on Day 1? Is that right?

Titus claimed loud bodyguard

[AaronFrost]

I guess i'll be a fucking robot in the future and pretend like scum dying doesn't excite me at all. Apparently showing any sort of emotions are scummy around these parts.

If the playerlist was smaller and/or less paranoid without 11 scum still around it wouldn't be as scumread.

Or be like me and keep doing it until they realize it's your standard response.

To be fair that is a pretty standard response from Norwee

[AaronFrost]

Yeah, I visited Elsa Jay, who has yet to acknowledge me so...

I also have VCA work to do following this.

Good luck with a 50 player VC analysis lel

[AaronFrost]

Aw man, scum died. Two of them, sigh... life sucks... Everything is just drab gray and boring.
Black Ranger is another scum i guess...
Whatever...

I laughed way harder at this than I feel like I should've

[AaronFrost]

Tell you what, let me ask a question I'm sure you guys are more knowledgeable of then me in.

Does a Doctor heal multiple kills? Does an Alien and/or Rolestopper block multiple kills? Jailkeeper too for that matter.

Answer that for me and I think I know what my theory could be.

I think doc only stops a single kill. Alien/rolestopper/jailkeeper I think stop all kills.

[AaronFrost]

UNVOTE:

I actually believe Jackal as a vig kill more than KM.

KM could've been a SK kill, and I think Jackal is a good target for a scum who's claiming it as a vig kill. Jackal only had one post yesterday and it was scummy af.

Plus there's the terribad association with KM.

[AaronFrost]

Guys we're trying not to lynch him until we atleast get other stuff done. Jeez.

What elsa do you want to do?

[AaronFrost]

What else would you like to do today, Elsa?

Talk to everyone, sort people, actually debate? I Dunno. Play mafia.

Pfft actually playing mafia

PEDIT: You're welcome elsa

[AaronFrost]

Literally did no one listen to my argument yesterday that hoods should be outted to increase the efficacy of traffic analysts or pt cops?

/annoyed

I listened but I'm not in a hood so not much I can do really

[AaronFrost]

I unambiguously have a mechanical guilty.

Claim

VOTE: gobbledygook

[AaronFrost]

So like I get the idea that we should kill lurkers, but why Mubarik? At worst that slot is just proxy controlled by its team. I think Vault Dweller and to a lesser extent Jamelia are trying to hide the fact that they are lurking.

something something kill someone in the hoods i think

[AaronFrost]

Bruh

[AaronFrost]

Well. Uh... Making him a Neutral Survivor at that point was redundent but funny.

Now that I contributed to getting the Serial Killer killed, I guess we can go back to our previous situation.

VOTE: ar98mubarik

How has a slot got to day 3 without posting

By killing our vigilantes day 1 and day 2.

Speaking of that, can someone refresh me on if Ranger and Drixx claimed the same kill target?

I think they were set to be replaced but it seems like we aren't getting replacements

[AaronFrost]

Also I think Wake is a health care worker and given the current world circumstances I don't blame him at all for flaking

[AaronFrost]

Semi V/LA until Friday or so, got a lot of school projects coming up. I'll still check in from time to time.

[AaronFrost]

Should also lynch where we can find associatives but hey wtf do I know

Except those slot will NEVER generate associatives outside of a wagon
Pray tell why you (and Pine) are hell bent on avoiding this?
VOTE: ar98mubarik

Because replacements are a thing.

Are you new?

Ok but we're not getting replacements though, that's the thing. The replacement request was posted in the queue over two weeks ago and not all the slots have been filled.

We have 10 scum left out of 42 people. We can afford to kills some lurkers.

[AaronFrost]

So wait BR!town means Drixx has to be scum right?

[AaronFrost]

Nero, you're reasoning is nonsense if you scumread the truth (Fonz) and assume moronic play to fit a scumread (Drixx). Since Drixx did shoot KM (no one CCed that), counterclaiming made sense. They aren't direct CCs anyway.

If no one is ccing the kill then there is the possibility that it could just be a scum kill.

Like in order for Drixx to be a town vig one of the scum kills had to have been blocked N1

[AaronFrost]

Right now I feel like both Drixx and Titus have a decent chance of flipping scum, but I also feel like we really should get rid of the useless/lurker slots.

VOTE: ar98mubarik

[AaronFrost]

actually fuck it AF is probscum this game

he's been scum in every single game of mine, therefore he's scum in this one

VOTE: AaronFrost

Oh hey here comes insomnia's inevitable tunnel on me. Knew something was missing from this game.

[AaronFrost]

Happy Birthday, Aaron Fucking Frost!!!!

Thanks Hectic Motherfucking Hectic <3

[AaronFrost]

Nero weren't you the one who said you didn't want this game to turn into a spamfest? You've been doing the most spamposting out of anyone by a mile

[AaronFrost]

She does have a point regarding your post count. I don’t think your push on Titus is scummy but I think pk has a point regarding you always having a vendetta against her. I’ve noticed your outlook on her overall is very negative.

What's her point regarding Nero's post count?

I think her point is that it's making the game hard to read/play. I haven't been doing a great job keeping up with this game though and it's been sorta low priority for me anyways.

[AaronFrost]

HEY GUYS LETS GIVE AARON ROPE FOR HIS BIRTHDAY

How'd you know what I wanted?

[AaronFrost]

Hectic did you enjoy my letter?