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I guess we don't get a link to the game and have to find it via the menu. Good thing the menu is working.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I know I'll have trouble finding this again, so quoting it. No, I don't know yet if it's AI.In post 74, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Assuming i am a member of a 6 man scum team.In post 60, Elsa Jay wrote:It's not unbiased though since you started it for some unknown reason. If your town fair enough, but it aint unbiased atleast.
That changes the likelihood down to 12.5% chance we lynch scum. (Assuming i did not vote a partner)
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Hmm, this doesn't match the first game I played with you at all. You posted a gazillion wiki things in that game D1.In post 171, Hectic wrote:First things first: I HATE Day 1. It's the worst part of the game and I usually try to get by without posting a single time in this day phase. So if someone could lolhammer as SOON a possible, that's be very helpful.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I don't think you're interpreting the setup right.In post 185, DrDolittle wrote:does day play matter when there are 16 killing roles?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 232, Nero Cain wrote:I think i've been pretty clear with why I scum read him. maybe read my posts?
Nero is more likely than not town based on the previous couple of pages.In post 233, insomnia wrote:That's not exactly what I would describe as efficient hunting.
I don't disagree with your characterization.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I've lost track of who Seth is. Please use player names, thanks.In post 241, insomnia wrote:Even I agree with that and I have a ton of meta with Seth. Mind explaining?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I thought for sure people would be posting more in between my catch up posts. Apparently I arrived at the tail end of the 10 page burst.
Faction Ratio is 37:6:6:1. I saw a traitor tell. If there is a traitor (or two for balance) how does that affect the published ratio?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@insomnia, how would you know for sure that it's overconfidence?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@TSE:
Threatening to replace out is against the rules.
If you actually did PM the mod to replace out, you should stop posting.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Fingers itching to vote Hectic for the lie.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.
I disapprove equally of hyperposting and hyperghosting.
VOTE: gobble
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I have an insufficient sample size to make this observation AI.In post 424, Nero Cain wrote:
he was town that game, doesn't that mean he is somewhat likely to be scum here?In post 417, davesaz wrote:Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.
It's possible that he does a gimmick every game and "hate d1" is just this game's gimmick. But I really don't know.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Making a note that I agree in principle with what Drixx is saying.In post 460, Drixx wrote:Oh ... and the fact that you are, as you so helpfully pointed out "...one of the only people in the entire game who has given reads..." is kind of the point. There's a reason basically nobody else is giving big reads lists in a FIFTY PLAYER GAME in the first 15 pages.
@Nero - Help me chase this down. You see what I see. Let's do this.
I've been made to look foolish in the past for failing to notice a joke of this kind.
Question to the player Drixx is talking to/about here (k something?) - is it a joke?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@MOD: Is TSE actually replacing out? It isn't mentioned in the vote countsWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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VOTE: gobbledygook
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Ha, it actually took the vote before. Doesn't hurt to be sure though lol.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Please point out the reads you're referring to.In post 529, kagesong wrote:I just didn't see enough content to justify those reads.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@garmr, if it's convenient for you to do so, it would help to trim down the things you quote to reduce the size of the pyramid.
I know, easy enough to skip on reads, unless the reader is on mobile.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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What's the meaning of wheel here?In post 542, kagesong wrote:The wheels from NC and KM. The one's me and NC are debating.
I see some huge differences between NC's and KM's lists, and there are also differences in their play.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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TSE, please read this threadWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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3-4 of my most recent games, though one of them was hydra and therefore doesn't weigh as much.In post 560, AaronFrost wrote:
How often have you played with Hectic dave? What discussion do you hope to generate with a gobble vote?In post 417, davesaz wrote:Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.
I disapprove equally of hyperposting and hyperghosting.
VOTE: gobble
to generate some discussion
Discussion on whether it's ok to post essentially "I'm not going to post". (hint -- it's not)Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I figure the "who do you play with" question will keep coming up so here's the list.
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Reminder to myself that I missed a bunch of stuff in pre-edits, and it's dinner time. Read between my last 2 posts.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Once is more than enough.In post 644, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Ima post this again in case it wasn’t seen.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Why do you want external validation?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Thanks for sharing. I was asking TSE.In post 660, insomnia wrote:
I’m self conscious and often doubt myselfIn post 650, davesaz wrote:Why do you want external validation?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I disagree on Drixx and tictac.
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So you're not going to be useless?In post 699, gobbledygook wrote:I could do a Dolly Parton wagon too.
UNVOTE:Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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This is weird.In post 704, Garmr wrote:You know the two scum teams should try and shoot for other scum or people that scum read me. If you shoot enough people that scum read me you can like set me up as mislynch and fuck over the other team since they are more dangerous than town. So aim for scummy people that scum read me you can't lose.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Making myself a note to look back at this.In post 711, insomnia wrote:tictac's focusing on a silly thing that never catches wolves but he attempts to make it look like it doesWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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This post looks towny.In post 727, insomnia wrote:yeah but you didn't ask chem if he knew wake, you shaded him for it. was there a question that I missed?
if it was such a concern that chemist would be an opportunistic scum, why brush it off instead of interrogating?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I saw some things on first reading that seemed townish for tictac compared to meta, but I've already made myself a note to read again given how others viewed the same material.In post 801, kagesong wrote:I think I'd be okay leaving tictac on the list. Why wouldn't you?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Your usefulness to town, when you are town, will improve once you lower the sensitivity level a little. Maybe it's weak self-esteem? Hide your feelings a bit more and you may be more successful. Of course if I'm on the wrong track that's fine, I don't mean to back you into a corner.In post 813, Garmr wrote:In a way I fucking hate all of you right now. I try to actually scum hunt and post to keep discussion and content up and I get scum read because of it. I'm not even in a lynchable position at the momment I'm just ticked i'm not being taken seriously.
Hasn't anyone noticed that the popular opinion is to go yeah garmr scum. But a majority of them have no reasoning or the reasoning is out of place. It makes me think if scum are unsure if i'm actually scum or town but want to keep me in a as a possibility despite the lack of real reasoning.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Please confirm you're saying the hood specifically says you don't know who all has access?In post 819, Black Ranger wrote:The hood does not have a list of people with access to it. It actually says the opposite.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Question for Drixx and insomnia (I think? Or was there someone else who focused on this post?):In post 679, tictac wrote:
yeeah. supes hard to believe ya wouldn't know 'wake on day 1' post when ya see one.In post 510, Chemist1422 wrote:
Honestly I think Hectic is scummy because this is the second time he's brought this up and now it feels like he's covering for lack of contentIn post 371, Hectic wrote:Hey all.
There's nothing I hate more than Day 1. If you gave me the option of playing a neutral hated survivor, or Day 1, I'd pick the survivor every single time. I'll be taking notes in the background for now. Someone should let me know when we enter Day 2.
Observing for now.
I assume this is the post that bothers you? How well do you know tictac?
Spoiler alert -- sarcasm is NAI from tictac. It's a signature part of tictac style.
Question for tictac:
Aren't you making a slight leap that Hectic knows Wake? There are lots of people who hate d1.
Analysis:
There actually is a reason to scumlean tictac here. Also reminder to myself that I have evidence regarding the question to tictac that I'm choosing to delay for now.
Note to self: Keep an eye on hectic. There is more to his posting than obvious on a casual read.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'd really like to know why TSE wanted external validation that the role matters.
I know what it felt like to me.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Also as in, you just forgot to mention? Or as in you think there is another one?
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The exquisite level of detail in the miscellaneous section of the rules post makes me think that this is a kitchen sink game.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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That feels like town A50. Obviously preliminary.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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<tries to remember Wake's position on neighborhoods -- don't know if it was him or someone else who hates 'em>
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What's this mean?In post 1026, gobbledygook wrote:PK confscum. HmmmWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I certainly would expect it to have something to do with their posts.In post 1086, Kirari Momobami wrote:Conversely, why are my reads on page 12-13 not going to be "because I read their posts"?
What you seem to not be doing is saying why the posts give you that read.
The why is what matters. It's almost the only thing that matters.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm not the one claiming to have a high number of reads. And you don't get to reverse the question like that.
It's midnight:30 for me and past time to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Nope! I'm commenting on a conversation that's going on between a couple of other players. Nowhere does that discourage people from having reads. If anything it encourages explanations.In post 1149, Kirari Momobami wrote:
Yes I doIn post 1147, davesaz wrote:I'm not the one claiming to have a high number of reads. And you don't get to reverse the question like that.
It's midnight:30 for me and past time to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.
You're making a bad faith argument and discouraging people from giving reads
Maybe you have. I had difficulty finding the explanations you're referring to and didn't remember coming across any during normal reading, but as I said it was after midnight.I have given explanations for every read asked of me in good faith
You posted this after I said I was going to sleep. Thanks for paying attention to RL limitations.So now I want your reads with explanations since you decided to take a lazy pot shot at meWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Probably a combination of joke and real. Definitely not like Dolly Parton's list. I'm in catchup mode so not looking too closely.In post 1165, Hectic wrote:Reads list:Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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To be fair, I think Kirari is saying she wants to discuss individual reads instead of blanket statements.In post 1177, Drixx wrote:
No you haven't. I asked in good faith.In post 1149, Kirari Momobami wrote:
Yes I doIn post 1147, davesaz wrote:I'm not the one claiming to have a high number of reads. And you don't get to reverse the question like that.
It's midnight:30 for me and past time to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.
You're making a bad faith argument and discouraging people from giving reads
I have given explanations for every read asked of me in good faith
So now I want your reads with explanations since you decided to take a lazy pot shot at me
VOTE: dave
pop ins to complain about impressions and reads = you can get voted
PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS WHENEVER I FLIP.
Easy fix for that is to ask about each read separately.
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You could expand on this a little.In post 1178, gobbledygook wrote:
Because it’s Pisskop.In post 1167, Hectic wrote:
Why is the sole Miller claim in-thread confirmed scum?In post 1166, gobbledygook wrote:What is fake about me calling Pisskop’s Miller claim scum?
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VOTE: Dolly Parton
Do you think Pisskop would claim miller as scum?
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Not sure how this other game stuff helps this game.In post 1196, Titus wrote:@Drixx, I probably would have shot you. I would have shot the most likely scum candidate fmpov. In order to have you live to lylo, all of my other suspects would have to be lynched. I play to win and play friendly but I don't directly decide who wins based on friendship (unless a cognitive bias does that). So TDLR, it depends but likely you.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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BBMolla being prodded is pretty unfair unless the timer is 24 hours.In post 1198, Elsa Jay wrote:
To he fair, you should've expected having to prod that many people in a 50p, lel. Exactly 1/5 the player list, lol.In post 1182, Wake1 wrote:Prodding hersho, Golden Robster, UltimatePlank, clidd, QuantumQuasar, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, eth0s, Non lmh, and Emperor flippyNips. Come on guys.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 1205, tictac wrote:
eyy. coolio.In post 1202, Pink Ball wrote:Titus is a shorter name than TSE's so is easier to vote.
VOTE: Titus
to be clear: loud-foo not gonna exist in 50p game cause it's annoying to mod and mechanically too uninteresting to bother.
Also, it's easy as pie to claim roleblocked tomorrow, so whynotclaim it as scum.
Starting to lean that way. Initially I thought town but this feels like not-town motivation. However I have to remember not to assign my mechanical proficiency to others.In post 1207, Titus wrote:Ok yup tictac is scum. Willing to vote there too.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I think this is two town talking. The purpose of the discussion is obviously to increase understanding of each other and their reads.In post 1220, Something_Smart wrote:
- get inside your head so I can understand and hopefully read you betterIn post 1215, Drixx wrote:So can you tell me what you're trying to accomplish here S_S? You're engaging with me pretty heavily in an attempt to defend KM here ... but I've managed basically no traction there while one of the other things I pointed out today is a viable wagon. Like ... I would like to understand what you're trying to accomplish here.
- understand exactly why you think KM is scum so I can either join your push or try to convince you to weaken your read, depending on whether I agree with your reasoning (and it seems pretty shaky right now).Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I was going to point out another post that mentioned gut.In post 1245, Kirari Momobami wrote:why do you think I want to take time to explain my initial gut takes on the 17 people I do have reads on when those reads are constantly shifting?
If it's gut then just say so when you're asked about it. Easy fix.
People do have gut reads, and they can be pretty good ones. For example, I think A50 is town based on tone and topic of his posts, without going into relevance / correctness at all.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I might get a chance to check for myself later, but have you said why?In post 1255, Nero Cain wrote:you guys need to stop being bad and either vote profil, BR or Amrun.
Amrun is practically identical to two other recent games as town. This game is young and I'd need something specific to look at.
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Identifying people who might be scum is cool, but I think part of the message is that we'll have to choose one to lynch.
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Good, I can now ask a question on this.In post 1519, tictac wrote:
yes. push on Hectic for reasonig that I believe to be fake. (the Wake thing, which I believe Chem would recognize having co modded a game in which wakes day1 behaviour was a point of contention).In post 1407, Black Ranger wrote:Tictac
Just to confirm, your read on chemist is a serious one? Can you explain it?
i mean those two things are the same.Also, do you have history (the negative kind, not meta) with A50?
A50 has extensive meta as lying town, which makes him my preferred policy. I mentioned the fact as a joke, cause I don't actually believe such a policy is in any way achievable here.
How would you know if Hectic knows Wake? Isn't it a pretty big stretch to assume that he is memeing the mod and not just some random player who also hates d1?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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From what I can remember Amrun's post reflects a more straightforward and logical interpretation.In post 1590, insomnia wrote:How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?
Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?
In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sureWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Not that big an assumption given slightly under 75% are town.In post 1605, Kirari Momobami wrote:
Gdi I swore I switched that timeIn post 1604, Weiss Schnee wrote:"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasonsWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm not sleep deprivation, but I'll put some effort into analyzing this.In post 1597, AaronFrost wrote:
This might be true if we're in singleball, but in multiball scum genuinely have to scumhunt too and probably have more incentive to do so to fulfill their wincon. Why would it make sense for scum to try and pocket someone when their goal is to eliminate the other scum team?In post 1384, Nero Cain wrote:
just in case you didn't get my point why I think profii is scummy for having more town reads than scum reads. There are 37 town, a second scum team of 6 and a SK. That's effectively 44 town. He can call practically the entire game town and be mostly right. Town reading is a low key pocket. He's scum but ok.In post 1380, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I've looked at Profii's ISO. And while i don't see much reason to outright believe he is town. I'd prefer putting tictacs vote on TSE and Black Ranger's supposed weird hood playstyle under more scrutiny. They are scummier.
In SB, scum have to go out of their way to find town to scumread, usually needing to buck the trend on at least a few of them. It is harder for scum to generate scumreads than it is for town, in SB. For townreads, SB scum are essentially 100% certain of a townread (at least in absence of a 3p). For town!me in SB games, this translates to scumreading people who have either too few scumreads / groups of people they're unwilling to entertain scumreading, or too many very strong townreads for unclear reasons. Scumreads with no conviction are another clue.
In MB, scum can feel free to actively scumhunt because finding other!scum is a win-win for them -- it eliminates competition (good as long as 2nd team stays alive) and makes them look towny. They have to be careful not to go overboard on town reading people because it will create false positive associations from town's point of view, and identify themselves as pocketing other!scum from the scum point of view. For town!me this means that strong scumhunters can't be locktown in a MB, and people who are disinterested and can't get traction in the game are more likely to be bad!town than weak!scum.
I think this makes Nero's case (few townreads) quite a bit weaker. It means that AF's main point (which to me the point of the post is that MB scum are scumhunting) is true but sorta irrelevant as a rebuttal. I don't think 1597 is very good as evidence for scum!AF. It's probably more NAI.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I think I flipped Nero's case in that post -- it's too few scumreads.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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How you expect pinecone to solve this? Hand over a paper with the player list and the ones that are drooled/crayoned on are scum?
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