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Post Post #49 (isolation #0) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:47 am

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I'll be around in awhile.

I work nights, so it's like 1AM in the morning for me.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:07 am

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I'm still here.

Going to read up soon.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:13 pm

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So taking a cursory glance at the game, I have a few developing reads, but not much yet. In general I really hate Day 1 and do much better on Day 2 and onward, because I have solid information to work with.

Before I post my reads I have a question because it's not clear: are we dealing with more than one Scum faction? Because the way I read it in the OP it feels like there being two Scum factions is definitely possible.
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Post Post #234 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:14 pm

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With Norwegian I'm not really sure on him one way or another. I didn't like how he kind of avoided answering that question in #46, but beyond that he hasn't really tripped my radar.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:18 pm

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As for
Vorkuta
, I don't really like how he jumped on Flavor's wagon in #18. Then in #55 he voted Layla and said her vote seemed opportunistic, yet his vote itself (to me) felt opportunistic. Lastly in #131 he wants votes on Flavor Leaf (Papa Leaf?) but he doesn't vote FL but Tea instead. These 3 events make me slightly Scumread him currently.

VOTE: Vorkuta
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Post Post #236 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:20 pm

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I noticed that Reund doesn't support Layla's wagon in #103, so if Vork flips Scum and Layla flips Town I'll revisit this later.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:21 pm

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Likewise, Fish Townreads Vorkuta in #205. If Vork flips Scum I will be taking a closer look at Fish.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:21 pm

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Currently I don't understand the wagon on Tea.

Could it be boiled down for me please?
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Post Post #290 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:07 am

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Lack of resistance on Tea wagon has me slightly worried.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:28 pm

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As said before I hate Day 1, and can't deal with all the speculation.

Once Day 2 begins I can actually play the game. Day 1 is just crazed paranoia and I can't deal with it, and if you want to lynch me for that and take a gamble go ahead.

Day 1 there's no weight to any wagon, and only rarely do you actually catch someone in a lie that early. So, yeah, I do lurk and stay in the background Day 1 in general, because that's my playstyle.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #10) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:01 am

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In post 601, NorwegianboyEE wrote:My reads right now.

Strong townlean
- Gamma Emerald

Townlean
- Chemist1422
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- Vorkuta
- Wake88
- Flavor Leaf (Changed my read on him over time)

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- Luca Blight
- Layla
- Zote the Mighty (For post )

Scum:
- Tea
Could you please clarify why you're Townreading me?
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Post Post #709 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:08 pm

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Like I said, I hate Day 1 for obvious reasons. I've got nothing to work with.

And if THAT's your reason to mislynch me, LOL. You're not going to force me to post when I hate Day 1.

I do, however, notice who acts and who doesn't in response to me saying I don't like Day 1.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #12) » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:08 am

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In post 724, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 709, Wake1 wrote:Like I said, I hate Day 1 for obvious reasons. I've got nothing to work with.

And if THAT's your reason to mislynch me, LOL. You're not going to force me to post when I hate Day 1.

I do, however, notice who acts and who doesn't in response to me saying I don't like Day 1
.
Wjat do you mean by the bolded? And if it's what I think you mean, then isnt that something you have to work with?
It's more or less just speculation. Sure, sometimes you manage to catch Scum. Day 1, but more often than not it's just a lot of arguing: arguing that just wears me out.

When we have a flip, some sort of tangible evidence, I can actually work with that and play the game. I noticed how people are just jumping so quickly on my wagon with little if any resistance, but that in itself is just speculation, but it should tell you that you're going to mislynch Town. The mere fact that there's basically no resistance to my wagon should be a major red flag.

And the reason? Why, because I hate playing during Day 1? That's 100% NAI.

If I do get mislynched, take careful notice of who first shied away from my wagon and then quickly turned onto it when it seemed convenient.
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Post Post #780 (isolation #13) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:30 am

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I know I haven't contributed much and should really be replacing out instead.

It's easy to join a lot of games and then have it blow up in your face when you realize you've probably bitten off more than you can chew. I'll be waking up tonight and will look into the game, but I just can't put that much focus (re-reading and super-analyzing) that others can. What I can say is that after Day 1, assuming I survive, I become way more active because now I have tangible evidence to work with. It's just how I play in general. I struggle with Day 1.
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Post Post #873 (isolation #14) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:33 am

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I'm not Scum, and I'm not interested in your non-case, Luca. You have no reason to try and lynch me because I don't like Day 1. Now that it's almost over, I will start actively hunting Day 2 provide I survive the night.

We need a lynch. Time is running out.

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Post Post #878 (isolation #15) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:39 am

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In post 876, Luca Blight wrote:A Wake lynch is better than a no-lynch.

PM is never flipping scum here - look how quickly his wagon built up with zero resistance (other than me, and I know I’m not his partner).

It’s a massively convenient and easy lynch, and there are a number of dubious players on this wagon.
"I know I'm not his partner" implies that you think (or know?) he's Scum.
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Post Post #880 (isolation #16) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:46 am

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In post 879, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 877, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Wake wagon built up quickly too.
You're claiming this wagon is scum motivated even though by your metrics, the Wake wagon would also most likely be scum motivated.
Not as quickly as the Wake wagon, and not as near to deadline. And look how quickly the Wake wagon dissipated.

I’m not saying Wake is definitely scum as I don’t know for sure, but I’m pretty sure PM isn’t flipping red.
OK, how are you so sure?

It's Day 1. Presuming you're Town you should not seem so sure about who is Town and who is Scum, unless you're not uninformed.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:36 am

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I'm guessing this is multiball unless there's also a Vig.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #18) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:18 am

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Post Post #971 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:16 pm

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Hammered already?

FL could be lying about Norwegian being VT.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:17 pm

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I'm gonna check FL's ISO Day 1 for tells.
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Post Post #985 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:27 pm

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In post 983, Flavor Leaf wrote:You found anything, Wake?
I will, eventually.
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:41 pm

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The longer he's left alive the more lies he will post.
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #23) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:42 pm

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This victory does not, however, clear Alchemist.
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #24) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:44 pm

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In post 1021, Dunnstral wrote:What do you want us to do about it Wake?
Vote and hammer him.
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #25) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:52 pm

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In post 1028, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m actually a N1 Miller, guys. I’m gonna flip green
Tell your teammates to come for me tonight, because I will be coming for them Day 2.
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #26) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:56 pm

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Well, shit.

Day 3 then.
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #27) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:30 am

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In post 1033, Dolly Parton wrote: Too easy, Flavor Leif... too easy.
This sentence seems extra.
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:26 am

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In post 1050, Gamma Emerald wrote:Aight Wake you have the floor
What do you mean Gamma?
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #29) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:30 am

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In post 1052, Gamma Emerald wrote:I mean I’m letting you talk first because you’re the one who needs flips to do his thing
I play the game on my time, not yours.

We just now got a flip, so you know what you've just posted is stupid and likely Scummy.

You can't expect me to read the game and express my reads a handful of minutes after a flip just happened.
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:38 am

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In post 1056, Dolly Parton wrote:
In post 1053, Wake1 wrote:
You can't expect me to read the game and express my reads a handful of minutes after a flip just happened.
But you knew who the NK was going to be since you have access to the scum PT.
What the hell are you talking about?
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:39 am

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In post 1058, Dolly Parton wrote:
In post 1057, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1056, Dolly Parton wrote:
In post 1053, Wake1 wrote:
You can't expect me to read the game and express my reads a handful of minutes after a flip just happened.
But you knew who the NK was going to be since you have access to the scum PT.
What the hell are you talking about?
Only scum have acces to the scum PT, you have access to the scum PT.

A=B, B=A
Based on WHAT?
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:41 am

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In post 1060, Dolly Parton wrote:a guilty.
ARE YOU SUICIDAL?

I'M TOWN.
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Post Post #1068 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:44 am

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In post 1063, Dolly Parton wrote:
In post 1062, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1060, Dolly Parton wrote:a guilty.
ARE YOU SUICIDAL?

I'M TOWN.
I didn't say I have a guilty. Maybe someone else does though, I don't know.

Just wanted to see how you would react
Reread 1058 and 1060.

You sure as Hell said "guilty" when I asked you what your stupid assertion was based on.

Do NOT play like that, ESPECIALLY if you are Town.
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:45 am

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I can definitely see Scum jumping on my wagon because they think I won't put up much of a fight.

If I get mislynched my wagon will be an excellent starting point.
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:47 am

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In post 1071, Dolly Parton wrote:
In post 1068, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1063, Dolly Parton wrote:
In post 1062, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1060, Dolly Parton wrote:a guilty.
ARE YOU SUICIDAL?

I'M TOWN.
I didn't say I have a guilty. Maybe someone else does though, I don't know.

Just wanted to see how you would react
Reread 1058 and 1060.

You sure as Hell said "guilty" when I asked you what your stupid assertion was based on.

Do NOT play like that, ESPECIALLY if you are Town.
i said "a guilty" not "my guilty"

Besides it was a little teasing.

Also, don't tell me how to play.
You should take your OWN advice regarding telling people how to play.
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:47 pm

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*sigh*

I don't have the energy to deal with this moronic wagon.
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:10 pm

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I don't do read lists. That's not how I play. I get my information by having exchanges.

Reading over the thread now.

Spoiler:
01) Tea
02) PMysterious -
Vanilla Townie

03) Fish Monger
04) Chemist1422 -
2-shot Loyal Neighborizer

05) Billy Pilgrim -
Vanilla Townie

06) Flavor Leaf -
1-Shot Rolecop

07) Hectic
08) Luca Blight
09) davesaz
10) Dunnstral
11) Dolly Parton
12) Almost50
13) Reundo
14) Wake88
15) Gamma Emerald
16) Zote the Mighty -
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17) splitfarvle
18) NorwegianboyEE

Votecount 1.21 - FINAL
PMysterious
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Chemist1422
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(1): Vorkuta
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(1): Almost50
davesaz
(1): splitfarvle

Not Voting
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Billy Pilgrim
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With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

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: (expired on 2019-11-26 17:00:00)


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(8): Wake88, Hectic, davesaz, Dolly Parton, Dunnstral, NorwegianboyEE, Almost50,
Chemist1422
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Not Voting
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Flavor Leaf
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- I can't tell based on the Final VCs who Scum is, but I'm thinking with FL getting caught out there's got to be at least one Scum on his wagon, and I'm aware that I'm the first one to vote him after reading the exchange.
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:20 pm

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In post 915, Dolly Parton wrote:
After 20 pages:

-3 Luca Blight
0 Wake88

Final Day 1 Count

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In post 1055, Dolly Parton wrote:VOTE: Wake88
You need to explain this.
Now.
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #39) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:30 pm

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In post 1108, Dolly Parton wrote:
In post 1106, Wake1 wrote:
In post 915, Dolly Parton wrote:
After 20 pages:

-3 Luca Blight
0 Wake88

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-7 Luca Blight
-1 Wake88
In post 1055, Dolly Parton wrote:VOTE: Wake88
You need to explain this.
Now.
oh do I?

I already have...

I am voting a SR. Maybe not my scum read with the most -s but I'm voting the right SR at the right time.
That's asinine.

If Luca is apparently one of your worst Scumreads based on your rating system why are you voting one of your weaker Scumreads?

Unless, of course, you're either inconsistent or your rating system is arbitrary BS.
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #40) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:36 pm

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In post 1111, Gamma Emerald wrote:How about the fact no one else is voting Luca
I would vote him, but I'm biased because he's been tunneling me all game.
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:17 am

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I would not mind one bit pressuring Luca Blight.

VOTE: Luca Blight
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:02 pm

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Post Post #1145 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:15 pm

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In post 1144, Luca Blight wrote:I’m not claiming.
That's not suspicious at all. :shifty:
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Post Post #1152 (isolation #44) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:34 pm

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In post 1150, Dunnstral wrote:I don't really like what Wake is doing here, though
Tell me what I'm doing here Dunnstral.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #45) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:18 am

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I worked last night, and am in bed now.

After med pass I'll look over the game from start of this Day and on.

I will make a reads list, even though I HATE making reads lists. I feel it slows my play down considerably as Town, and I do better just engaging (although I haven't had much time for that either recently). As Town I play better using direct engagement.
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:45 pm

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Will start working on a Reads List relatively soon, starting from Day 3.
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Post Post #1581 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:41 am

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In post 1575, Menalque wrote:oh cool, wake's online

wake, can you come here and vote norway pls
What's he at currently?
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:35 pm

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Well, this sucks.

Both A50 and I were on the Luca wagon, so obviously people are going to assume I'm Scum as well.
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:43 pm

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In post 1723, Dunnstral wrote:^Do you think Luca is town, and that A50 was not bussing?
I wasn't paying enough attention to A50.

Luca's been pushing me all game and trying to force me to play the game as he would play the game, which does nothing but piss me the Hell off. He could be Town, or he could be Scum and is trying very hard to try and mislynch me because he thinks I'm an easy target.
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #50) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:48 pm

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In post 1726, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1722, Wake1 wrote:Well, this sucks.

Both A50 and I were on the Luca wagon, so obviously people are going to assume I'm Scum as well.
This post seems to assume that Luca is town, or am I wrong?
I mean, Luca and A50 could both be Scum, but what are the odds of that?
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:12 pm

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In post 1730, Luca Blight wrote:VOTE: Wake88

- Protected by both dead scum
- promised reads but ended up lurking out the day (as I anticipated)
- enters D4 with a guilty mindset
*Sigh*

This is exactly what I was talking about.

Reads aren't really a part of how I play as Town. Sometimes I give reads, but because it's primarily based on gut reads have little value. It's the interactions where I feel things can be more easily parsed.
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Post Post #1740 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:15 pm

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In post 1739, Luca Blight wrote:But you promised reads, and never delivered. You deliberately lurked out the day.
I work, a lot. And I don't like doing reads.

I can't discuss ongoing games.

I can say that I had spent over 2 hours of my precious time writing up a reads list and it was basically spat on, which in turn made me feel it was a pointless waste of time.
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:18 pm

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In post 1741, Luca Blight wrote:Did A50 give you lessons on how to make excuses?
You really want this to be your hill, don't you?
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:18 pm

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In post 1747, Dolly Parton wrote:3 or 4 scum with 18 players?
Do you think it's possible the game could be multiball?
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:22 pm

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In post 1750, Dolly Parton wrote:Luca wasn't on any of the lynch wagons???

That makes me want to put Luca has my #1 SR...

IDK.
I think at least pressuring him is merited.
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:25 pm

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In post 1754, Luca Blight wrote:Of course you do.

I’m odd-night vig. I killed Billy N1 and A50 N3.

Today we’re lynching Wake - it’s long overdue.
I think I'd rather pressure you at L-1.
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Post Post #1757 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:26 pm

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In post 1754, Luca Blight wrote:Of course you do.

I’m odd-night vig. I killed Billy N1 and A50 N3.

Today we’re lynching Wake - it’s long overdue.
Then I'll take you with me because my mislynch will spell your demise.
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:35 pm

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This wagon is a joke.

There's literally no reason to even be voting me.

I'm at L-1. I'm not going to put effort into fighting this wagon because a lot of you are just dumb, and aren't listening.

Good job, Luca. You
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Post Post #1797 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:48 pm

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*Townread on Menalque for asking pointed questions despite his atrocious vote.
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:07 pm

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Menalque, Hectic, Reundo, and Dolly all were very quick to jump on the wagon, for NO reason.

Luca initiated the wagon. Tea held back.

Scum is definitely on my wagon. I don't know if it's Luca because he's obstinate and narrow-minded and has been tunneling on me all game.

But the other 4? Those I worry about the most.
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Post Post #1824 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm

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1.04 - Tea (3): Reundo, Saladman27, Flavor Leaf
1.06 - Tea (6): Reundo, Saladman27, Flavor Leaf, Billy Pilgrim, Zote the Mighty, NorwegianboyEE
1.07 - Tea (7): Reundo, Saladman27, Flavor Leaf, Billy Pilgrim, Zote the Mighty, NorwegianboyEE, Vorkuta
1.08 - Tea (5): Reundo, Saladman27, Flavor Leaf, Zote the Mighty, Vorkuta
1.09 - Tea (4): Reundo, Saladman27, Flavor Leaf, Vorkuta
1.10 - Tea (4): Reundo, Saladman27, Flavor Leaf, Vorkuta

(Both hop off Tea)

1.11 - Not Voting (4): Zote the Mighty, Flavor Leaf, Almost50, PMysterious
1.12 - Not Voting (3): Flavor Leaf, Almost50, PMysterious
1.13 - Not Voting (2): Almost50, Flavor Leaf
1.14 - Tea (2): Gamma Emerald, Almost50 (Flavor Leaf Not Voting)
1.15 - Tea (3): Gamma Emerald, Almost50, NorwegianboyEE (Flavor Leaf Not Voting)
1.16 - Not Voting (3): Billy Pilgrim, Almost50, Flavor Leaf
1.17 - Not Voting (5): Billy Pilgrim, Almost50, PMysterious, Hectic, Flavor Leaf
1.18 - Hectic (1): Almost50 (Flavor Leaf Not Voting)
1.19 - Hectic (1): Almost50 (Flavor Leaf Not Voting)
1.20 - Hectic (1): Almost50 (Flavor Leaf Not Voting)

2.02 - Flavor Leaf (8): Wake88, Hectic, davesaz, Dolly Parton, Dunnstral, NorwegianboyEE, Almost50, Chemist1422 :dead: (LYNCH) :dead:

3.03 - Luca Blight (5): splitfarvle, NorwegianboyEE, Wake88, Almost50, Dolly Parton


What can we extrapolate from this?

They were both on Tea for most of Day 1, but did they really commit or was it for show?

I'm almost certain there was at least one other Scum besides A50 on the FL wagon.
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Post Post #1833 (isolation #62) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:34 am

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In post 1832, Luca Blight wrote:I can see where Dunn is coming from not trusting Dolly or Menalque, I feel the same atm. There is something disingenuous in how Menalque has approached the game, lasering in on certain things and ignoring others. I’ll put my finger on it tomorrow when I’m on a computer.

I’m struggling to see how Wake can be Town here though based on play alone.
You shouldn't be so quick to judge alignment based on how you play as Town, Luca.
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Post Post #1835 (isolation #63) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:36 am

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In post 1834, Luca Blight wrote:What should I be townreading you for, Wake?
I don't know. I'm not trying to be Townread by others.
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #64) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:42 am

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In post 1836, Luca Blight wrote:Yet you’re outraged whenever anyone scumreads you...
I don't like being wagoned for what I believe is no good reason.

You don't like how I play as Scum. I don't like doing Reads Lists because I put a lot of time into them only for them to be ignored and/or be insulted. I don't like that. I did say I'd do a Reads List, but I'm tired, and because of [ongoing games] I'm not doing a Reads List.

Clearly we disagree on this. We play differently.
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #65) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:46 am

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In post 1838, Luca Blight wrote:Oops, scum slip?
*sigh*

Town, not Scum. I'm tired.

Obviously I know how that looks.

Do what you think you have to do.
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #66) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:50 am

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In post 1840, Luca Blight wrote:And why is it ok for me to be pressured for no reason but not for you to be?
I never said I couldn't be pressured ever.

But constantly tunneling me and putting me at L-4 Day 4 for no apparent reason? Not cool.

You could be Town and just wrong, or you could be Scum and trying to score an easy lynch.

I think you could be Town, but then you'd have to understand how frustrating it is for me in my shoes when I too am also Town.
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Post Post #1845 (isolation #67) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:01 am

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In post 1842, Luca Blight wrote:Idgaf about reads lists as long as you are proactive and trying to solve the game, but you aren’t, at all.

As you saw with A50, all your excuses and AtE won’t wash with me.
When I do try to step foot into the game and I get badgered by you, it doesn't make me want to solve the game. It makes me want to fight back.
In post 1843, Luca Blight wrote:How is it for no reason when I clearly stated three reasons along with the vote?
In post 1730, Luca Blight wrote:VOTE: Wake88

- Protected by both dead scum
- promised reads but ended up lurking out the day (as I anticipated)
- enters D4 with a guilty mindset
Just because you ignore the reasons doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Being protected by Scum does not necessarily make me Scum.

I don't do reads if I don't want to, and I'm more apt to lurk unless the game interests me.

I don't even know what the 3rd point is referring to.

In post 1844, Luca Blight wrote:And how was i tunneling you, given I was pushing A50 as my strongest SR yesterday and even shot him last night?

And given I just stated I don’t like multiple other players in the game like Dolly and Menalque.
Because I feel like since Day 1 you've been targeting me the most. I didn't read a good portion of Day 3.
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #68) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:04 am

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In post 1774, Dolly Parton wrote:EBWOP

VOTE: Wake
Why exactly were you so quick to join on my wagon, Dolly?
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Post Post #1847 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:05 am

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Luca, are you currently Townreading Tea?
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:09 am

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In post 1746, pisskop wrote:hmmmm
I feel like you and davesaz should be joining in the game more Day 4.
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Post Post #1850 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:12 am

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In post 1761, Reundo wrote:VOTE: Wake88

Up for lynching Dolly today as well.
In post 1771, Hectic wrote:VOTE: Wake

Turns out even Norwee is a self-voter. My faith in MS has been shattered.
Without reasoning these also seem opportunistic.
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:15 am

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In post 1849, Luca Blight wrote:Either you do some genuine game-solving or my vote is staying parked on you today.
Luca, given the extreme lack of resistance to my wagon today, does that tell you anything?
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Post Post #1855 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:19 am

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In post 1853, Luca Blight wrote:Wake, your analysis is very self-centred.

Why weren’t you calling the votes on the PM, Luca, Norwegian and Dolly wagons ‘opportunistic’?

Why is your vote on my wagon yesterday not ‘opportunistic’ for the same reason?
Because I was rather angry with you.

They could very well be opportunistic as well. I don't know. I only know what I know.

I am very self-centered when I play, and I understand how that can hinder my Townplay at times.
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:22 am

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In post 1854, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1852, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1849, Luca Blight wrote:Either you do some genuine game-solving or my vote is staying parked on you today.
Luca, given the extreme lack of resistance to my wagon today, does that tell you anything?
There has been resistance to your wagon on previous days, however, including by both of the dead scum members.

There would only be one other scum left besides yourself, so not a lot of room left for resistance.
If Scum that I was useful to them they would likely defend me only to see me lynched later should they be lynched. It's a common tactic Scum use.

Do we know there's only one other Scum, or that this isn't Multiball? If it's not multiball I'm assuming there's 4 members, not 3.
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Post Post #1858 (isolation #75) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:26 am

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The following is public knowledge: the setup consists of a Town faction versus a single groupscum faction, where "groupscum" is defined as having more than one player. It is not public knowledge whether other alignments exist in the game.


That last sentence REALLY bothers me, because it says it's not public knowledge whether OTHER alignments exist in the game. It doesn't specifically say there's only Town and one Scum faction and that's it. If that's what the mod wanted he would have made that very clear. This to me means that PUBLICLY we have no knowledge on there being other alignments in this game. This means there COULD be another Mafia team OR, I think, a Serial Killer. Like 3-4 Mafia and an SK.

Obviously this could conflict with your Vig claim.

I really would like our mod to clarify this once and for all.
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Post Post #1859 (isolation #76) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:27 am

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In post 1857, Luca Blight wrote:I said one other scum beside yourself, which makes four.

And there’s no reason to believe this is a multi-ball.
I'm not as sure as you are, and I think as Town it's wise to be more doubtful and careful.
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Post Post #1861 (isolation #77) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:37 am

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In post 1860, Luca Blight wrote:I don’t think it’s possible to have two scum teams in a normal unless clearly stated. The only thing that’s possible is if I’m the SK, but I obviously know that’s not the case.
...I don't know if that's not the case though...
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Post Post #1911 (isolation #78) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:16 pm

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In post 1909, Dunnstral wrote:Vig's can't be scum aligned anymore in normals either
Unless he is a Serial Killer.
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Post Post #1925 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:09 pm

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In post 1923, Luca Blight wrote:VOTE: Menalque

I think I prefer this over a Dolly lynch right now.

I don’t like how he’s zoned in on certain slots and basically ignored others. I don’t like his tunneling of Norwegian. I don’t like how he enters the day excusing his play from Yesterday before just sheeping me - he lacks curiosity in this game and hasn’t done much to sort anyone.

I don’t like how he tried to set me up upon entering the thread based purely on how he interpreted the wagons. He also seems to be missing things as though he’s skimming and not reading properly.
Why are you switching focus from me, if I may?

I think the possibility of you being SK is less because Mafia could just target you instead. But I still don't understand why you claimed Vig when Mafia could just still try to target you, unless a PR tried to protect you tonight.
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #80) » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:26 pm

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In post 1976, Luca Blight wrote:Davesaz, that’s a complete overreaction. On that basis nothing you do could ever be questioned.
I see you picked up on that too.
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #81) » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:42 pm

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V/LA until 12/18/19.
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Post Post #2000 (isolation #82) » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:13 pm

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In post 708, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 707, Almost50 wrote:
In post 677, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 676, Flavor Leaf wrote:Chennis I can take the time and pet them like a barking Labrador and calm them down.

Menalque’s all fine and dandy until I start to pet him
What the fick
Also VOTE: wake
I don't want to lynch wake. I'm biased and I confess to it. I want to play with him some, so maybe let him be till D2. I don't have a solid read on him though, so I'm not going to fight against the wagon too hard, but I certainly am not going to vote him unless someone brings up some solid evidence why he should be the lynch today.
+1

He also always had a tendency to take heat really easily, so even if that weren’t the case, I still have reason to not want that wagon today.
Just noticed this post. Both Almost50 and Flavor Leaf wanted me to stay in the game and defended me, while Gamma, who we now know is Town, opted to vote for me.

So this yells me the Scum team, at that point, intended to leave me alive. I don't think FL really explained why he wanted to keep me around. What I'm doing is looking at those posts around that time period to see if anyone else behaved like A50 and FL. Davesav didn't really get to that point in 806, but it felt like he was shifting a bit his focus from me to someone else.

If you guys can remember anyone else besides A50 or FL that were defending me like they were, that could likely be one of the Scum members. Based on what those two were doing early on they probably thought I'd be valuable to them late-game.
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Post Post #2006 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:39 am

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In post 2002, Hectic wrote:Got some time now.
I don't believe town!Wake honestly believes more scum other than Almo and Leaf were keeping him alive for some unknown secret reason, and there might be even
more
members of the scumteam who were doing the same. Why in the world would 3+ scum defend Wake like he's valuable to them?
Also, town!Gamma defending Wake has nothing to do with the other scum defending him.

Either Wake is scum who was defended by his scum buddies, or he's town and scum were off his wagon to look better and since no other scum were in danger of being lynched on counterwagons. Leaning towards the former.

VOTE: Wake
If you actually think about it, it makes sense.

They could very well have wanted me to survive until late game because they think I'd be easy to mislynch late game. Haven't you ever seen Scum do this in other games where they let a sub-optimal Townie survive later in the game while getting rid of the stronger ones earlier?

If you noticed, both those two in a very short amount of posts agreed that they wanted me to be left over. If presumably half of the Scumteam was intent on that, is it unsafe to think the other unknown members wouldn't?

As Town you should be able to see why they might want me to be around late-game. It's not like I'm that active or am a strong Town-force to them. Your reaction is overblown. I do not like that.

And Gamma wasn't defending me in that quote either, Sir. That means that point is moot. Gamma voted for me while the two Scum defended me.

Looking at what the two Scumflips were doing by defending me, I have good reason to suspect that anyone else alive who was defending me just might be a good place to look at.

I want to hear your response to this Hectic before proceeding.
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #84) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:59 pm

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I am a Vanilla Townie.
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #85) » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:30 am

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I'm open to a pisskop lynch today.
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #86) » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:31 am

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In post 2076, Luca Blight wrote:I just iso’d Fish monger and saw he claimed VT after Flavor ‘outed’ him.

I think I’d rather lynch this slot today.
What exactly did pisskop claim compared to Fishmonger's claim?
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #87) » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:33 am

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In post 2070, pisskop wrote:Not only have i already claimed, I cannot believe this game is still going. its so far beneath my radar its laughable,.
Where in your ISO did you claim?
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #88) » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:37 am

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In post 2080, Luca Blight wrote:Pisskop and Fish Monger are the same person.
I get that.

You said FM claimed VT. Pisskop mentioned he claimed already. I checked pisskop's ISO (not ISO) and noted pisskop did not himself claim. I was checking to see if both those two (same slot) claimed the same thing or not.
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #89) » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:38 am

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Pisskop, what is your current claim?
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Post Post #2275 (isolation #90) » Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:35 pm

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Congrats guys.

You got me. I was totally Scum.

Thank Luca for doing an excellent job catching Scum for good reasons.
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Post Post #2285 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:32 am

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In post 2284, Dunnstral wrote:Doesn't sound like scum to me
No, I definitely was Scum.

You all were absolutely correct in lynching me, for good reasons.
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Post Post #2512 (isolation #92) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:24 am

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May I please have access to them? Mafia PT.
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Post Post #2560 (isolation #93) » Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:05 pm

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Could we please have access to Mafia PT?

It's still locked.
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