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I think I agree that scum wouldn't be bussing here considering the weakness of their position
like I think it would be minimal cred and would probably only allow them to survive maybe one more mislynch which seems like -EV vs trying to conserve your buddy and aiming for winning in 4p mylo instead of aiming for 6p with both of you alive-
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I mean I think luca is locktown and his read on A50 was solidIn post 1817, Wake1 wrote:Menalque, Hectic, Reundo, and Dolly all were very quick to jump on the wagon, for NO reason.
Luca initiated the wagon. Tea held back.
Scum is definitely on my wagon. I don't know if it's Luca because he's obstinate and narrow-minded and has been tunneling on me all game.
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Not sureIn post 1943, Hectic wrote:Annoyingly enough, Mene's predecessor was towny, and Mene's push on Norwee wasn't explicitly scummy.
So he's fine for now. @Menelque: Who you scumreading most right now?
I think there’s prob p good odds of hitting scum in wake/dolly-
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First oneIn post 1948, Hectic wrote:
What?In post 1646, Menalque wrote:
Luca convinced me look again at the wagons today and the fact he was possibly a counterwagon to wakeIn post 1632, davesaz wrote:
Don't know if you answered this.In post 1353, Hectic wrote:
What's the reason for this? What about the gamestate?In post 1328, Menalque wrote:I have another pet SR but we should lynch Luca today prob
What made you shift focus from Luca to Norwegian?
I had been reading Norwegian's fluidity as townish without paying much attention to the context. With the context it looks much worse.
I remembered being pinged somewhat when I was reading the game a few days ago by Norway so I decided to deepdive his ISO, which I did, and concluded that he’s scum
You thought Luca was scum because he was a counterwagon to Wake?
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I just recall agreeing with everything he was saying early on. All of his early reads made sense to me. Maybe I'l reISO him at some point if you feel so strongly against it.In post 1956, davesaz wrote:
What dark place did you pull this out of? The opposite is true, split was hella scummy and Menalque is better.In post 1943, Hectic wrote:Annoyingly enough, Mene's predecessor was towny
Also, too early to mass claim, Luca.I can heal you tonightso it just lets scum kill the second best target, or even potentially a higher priority target if any of your proposed 5 turn out to be investigatives for example.
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Oh yeah, alsoIn post 1923, Luca Blight wrote:VOTE: Menalque
I think I prefer this over a Dolly lynch right now.
I don’t like how he’s zoned in on certain slots and basically ignored others. I don’t like his tunneling of Norwegian. I don’t like how he enters the day excusing his play from Yesterday before just sheeping me - he lacks curiosity in this game and hasn’t done much to sort anyone.
I don’t like how he tried to set me up upon entering the thread based purely on how he interpreted the wagons.He also seems to be missing things as though he’s skimming and not reading properly.
Who do you think is more likely to be poorly informed on the game
Scum!me who repped in and had a pt to ask whatever I needed to know
Or town!me who repped in with about 2 days to deadline (3?) and had to try and process as much as possible in that time
Still haven’t completely a linear readthrough, I’ve been working more on ISOs when possible-
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If I’d tried to set you up I wouldn’t have dropped it so easily and I would have come in with a better reason for you being scum than something obviously disprovableIn post 1981, Luca Blight wrote:
My wagon is awful here, while the Dolly wagon looks very pure. It could be that Dolly is scum with either Wake or Menalque, especially given how Menalque tried to set me up as soon as he entered the game.In post 1300, PenguinPower wrote:-
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Where was the time? I devoted a significant chunk of time to this game, I still think that Norway has v bad progressions in his ISO and especially given the FL scumflip.In post 1967, Luca Blight wrote:I was TR’ing you Yesterday, and I wish Norwegian played his hand better as it would have been interesting to see how you reacted. As it were, I think you should have taken a step back to consider after the claim, but I can’t entirely blame you for how it went down.
I’m more SR’ing you for your general play. It feels weird how you came in, tried to target me based only on the wagons and then went full pelt at Norwegianwithout taking any time to sort anyone else.I tried to engage you on A50 but you brushed it away. I don’t like how you’ve started D4 - you’re not doing anything to solve the game right now.
Fmpov: norway was obvscum, and was in a relatively powerful position being broadly TR. Given that, I thought the other two possible lynched were prob on town, and your A50 case didn’t really convince me vs what I was seeing in Norway.
Last line is fair, I’m not yet. Norway flipping town threw me off, esp as I thought getting him basically gave a bonus scum in Dunn. I haven’t sat down and reread ISOs yet, I’ll get to it, but I feel very tapped out and idk what to make of the Wake/dolly dichotomy in pushes from other people-
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I was never townreading wake so much I got mixed up on the orders of the wagon formationIn post 2170, Hectic wrote:
@MeneIn post 2052, Hectic wrote:
^Whenever you're ready, Mene.In post 2022, Hectic wrote:
Oh, right. That should say: "why is Luca scum over Wake in the case of TvS?"In post 2020, davesaz wrote:
But you're saying the opposite of the underlined part now. You asked a question why is Wake scum over Luca, and then answered it by saying he is. If you agree with it then why are you asking the question? Much confusion...In post 2004, Hectic wrote:
Yeah, so if the Wake wagon came up first, why would a Luca counterwagon mean Luca was scum? Doesn't it make more sense for Wake to be scum and Luca town since he came after?In post 1989, davesaz wrote:
Didn't the Wake wagon come up first?In post 1983, Hectic wrote:My only doubt on Mene right now is his weird gamestate scumread on Luca. He was townreading Wake to such an extent that he thought Wake was the counterwagon to Luca? Why couldn't it have been TvT, andwhy is Wake the scum over Luca in the case of TvS?
His short answers to my questions on it indicate he doesn't really want to talk about it much either.
I'm not sure about the underlined part, the first part says you think Mena thought Luca was scum over Wake.
Pedit: @Luca: For that VC look at the relative times of the first votes on you/split/wake. People talk "counter" in terms of numbers/competing wagons but timing could matter as well. Yeah, I can look for it too, possibly will.-
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In post 1497, Dolly Parton wrote:
I'll take any defense. EIther they are scum and know I'm town or they are Good Town who knows what's up.In post 1408, Dunnstral wrote:Hot take: Menalque and Dolly have been hard defending each other while trying to look like they don't care about the otherIn post 1504, Dolly Parton wrote:Nor
You've been one of my top TRs all game. Watching you destroy that is heart breaking.
What is the count? Am I at the claim stage?In post 1890, Dolly Parton wrote:
I don't know about Menalque but I'm town.In post 1889, Tea wrote:Omegalul if Wake Menalque and Dolly are all town and scum turns out to be a deepwolfIn post 1936, Dolly Parton wrote:The Scum Five:
Menalque, Wake, Dolly, Davesaz, Pisskop
I made VCA cases on Wake, Dave and Pisskop.In post 1939, Dolly Parton wrote:So The Final Scum:
Dave and Pisskop.
***Maybe Wake/Hectic.
****Prolly not Hectic
*****Wake maybe.In post 1941, Dolly Parton wrote:
Spamming scum comes to mind tbh after a quick ISO skim.In post 1940, Luca Blight wrote:What’s your read on Menalque?In post 1998, Dolly Parton wrote:
Here is a question for you.In post 1994, Luca Blight wrote:I think Wake is the ‘correct’ lynch today, tbh. Even if he’s Town he’s going to a liability later in the game. It would also give some valuable info regarding wagons this game.
I’m not sure why but I feel less inclined to lynch Dolly. I think it should either be Wake or Menalque for the chop today.
Who do we need on the Wake or Menal wagons to get the most info out of these 2 lynches.In post 2241, Dolly Parton wrote:
I'll try to do this later. I most likely will be a horrible list.In post 2227, Hectic wrote:
Could you give us a quick shotgun reads list of everyone in order? Explanations aren't necessary but would be helpful.
Dave, Dunn and Menal are my current picks for today's lynch to hold you over.I think this is again a v bad progression to where we are now
I’m vaguely disappointed in Luca for thinking I’m scum after yesterday, or at least thinking I’m more likely to flip scum than wake or dolly or maybe Dave who I don’t really have thoughts on-
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But yeah, I know I’ve been sort of lethargic today (game day) so I get it if I seem off tonally and you’re lynching me for that because you can’t get over it
But I am vaguely disappointed that anyone who knows me here at all thinks I’m scum
Final couple of things in case I get hammered before I get back:
Luca is town
Reundo is town for the timing of when they efforted I think
Dunn is town if dolly is scum and probably town anyway
Pk can be town but would have liked to see more
Tea is towny but feels weird from gut, can stay in town for now
Hectic is in similar territory to tea bc I alsways struggle with his tone
Dave could be scum
Wake is potentially scum
Dolly is actually scum I think
If it’s radically different to this then I have no idea
I think town has done a decent job apart from misidentifying me-
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Idk I can’t really offer you anything other than I poured in loads of effort yesterday just for norway to flip town anyway after not really defending himselfIn post 2247, Luca Blight wrote:And I’m disappointed in your play today. I think Dolly is the more likely to flip scum, but as we’ve covered it makes sense leaving her alive until tomorrow.
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I think that if someone hasn’t played well to the point they’re getting lynched then unless there’s a very good reason to believe the role claim/it’s confirmable they should be lynched anyway
I may have been confbiasing a bit but I think there were very good reasons to scumread him and the reasons he gave we’re unconvincing and showed a lack of engagement with the most important points of my case: for instance, the dropped SR on FL
I didn’t really have time to sort elsewhere, but if Norway had been able to convincingly explain his changes in direction to me then I wouldn’t have kept pushing for his lynch
If he’d protected Chem, or even done any crumbing of JK before coming under pressure, I may have been willing to let him try to confirm himself during the night-
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Chemist. Was. Never. Going. To. Post. His. Result. If. Not. Protected. Because. Scum. Were. Always. Killing. Him. And. So. It’s. Still. Better. To. Deny. Scum. A. Kill. On. Conftown.In post 2261, Dunnstral wrote:Jailkeeper. Roleblocks. Town. Investigatives.-
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How?In post 2262, Hectic wrote:Mene's improved. We lynch Dave or Wake today.
Should've stopped overthinking Wake long ago tbh.
Wake for sure actually.
VOTE: Wake-
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why pisskop?In post 2298, Hectic wrote:My guess for now is Dolly and Pissy.-
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surely that should make me more likely to be scum fypov?In post 2313, Dolly Parton wrote:Well its obviously flawed. Tea flipped town.
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I don't understand what you meanIn post 2318, Dolly Parton wrote:
If tea didn't flip green then yeah I would probably be on to you. But my associations wrt the wake wagon have to be reevaluated.In post 2317, Menalque wrote:
surely that should make me more likely to be scum fypov?In post 2313, Dolly Parton wrote:Well its obviously flawed. Tea flipped town.
if you think wake town implies scum in (Mena, tea) then surely one of those two flipping green should reinforce your belief that I'm scum?-
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oh god I forgot I did a shot of tequila and you just reminded meIn post 2322, pisskop wrote:
Tequila actually completely fucks me up. I avoid it most timesIn post 2320, Menalque wrote:Oof I’m very drunk gang
it was good times tho, I love tequila
the bane of my life last night was gin
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cheers!In post 2323, Dolly Parton wrote:Cheers to all the drunks.-
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why does that make him scum?In post 2335, Dolly Parton wrote:For starters, Dunn is the only one still alive besides me not on the Wake wagon.
also I think Luca should probably be the one who decides the order of mass claim-
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because I'm not convinced that Dunn is the scummiest person, but regardless of that the towniest person (Luca) should be the one to decide mass claim orderIn post 2339, Dolly Parton wrote:
Why are you against Dunn going first?In post 2338, Menalque wrote:
why does that make him scum?In post 2335, Dolly Parton wrote:For starters, Dunn is the only one still alive besides me not on the Wake wagon.
also I think Luca should probably be the one who decides the order of mass claim-
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In post 2335, Dolly Parton wrote:For starters, Dunn is the only one still alive besides me not on the Wake wagon.
I mean I asked you why Dunn is scum and this is what you gave me by way of answerIn post 2336, Dolly Parton wrote:And Dunn is the one who must claim first to start the mass claim.
given that I already have doubts around your slot, the towniest slot in the game thinks you're scum, there are some inconsistencies in the story you're telling : why would I think Dunn is more likely to be scum than you?
esp as the push for mass claim, now that I think about it more, is potentially scum who thinks they're going down anyway trying to out as much info as possible for their buddy to work with on the way-
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I mean, yeah, maybe? idk a lot about you and I don't have reasons to believe that you're some top tier scum player
not to mention that even people who are good as scum can't have a bad game where they play badly
I think I'm reasonably good at scum but I've still had a couple of games where I was busted up on D1-
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