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[Garmr]

Can you copy and past everything gobby said with out links. So we can work with it.

No. That would still be against the rules.

It's not if you don't put them in quotes ect and just text only. Because it would be stupid to have it bannable in some circumstances otherwise you would have to reword everything when trying to explain it. My past experiences with mods let me do this. Might be different with every mod so best to ask first.

[Garmr]

This game is out of wack.

2 set of mason(4) watcher,tracker,voyeur, back up tracker and a doctor claim.

[Garmr]

Also judging by the fact you say I'm confirmed town you have a role added on that's somewhat investigative and confirms me as town?

[Garmr]

my reads of people who voted me.

town
Dave

Null
Tex

Scum
Billy

[Garmr]

Also judging by the fact you say I'm confirmed town you have a role added on that's somewhat investigative and confirms me as town?

??? Who were you addressing with this?

hopkirk

[Garmr]

optimal claim order is
doc
tracker
me

Optimal claim order is nobody unless we actually need it to solve.

Optimal claim is it will help we don't lose anything.

[Garmr]

What's the reason for claimed watcher/voyeurs to not reveal results?

There's no claimed watchers for one thing.

-Kork

Just a dead watcher. And since there's a backup tracker claimed, there might be a backup watcher too. But no reason for them to claim if they don't have a scum for us.

optimal claim order is
doc
tracker
me

Why are you still trying to out the doc????

VOTE: Garmr

Are you dumb as bricks docs already claimed was asking for their target?

[Garmr]

Possibly.

Hopkirk could have been the night kill.

I take it that you protected Hopkirk. Why hopkirk over tchill?

I voyoured tchill btw and no one wanted to visit him. No town or scum roles.

[Garmr]

Reason I waited for my voyeur Rickdalton to claim his target was to see if he was going to lie About protecting tchill.

[Garmr]

my reads of people who voted me.

town
Dave

Null-scum
Tex

Scum
Billy

How exactly am I scum here? And how did Dave move from scum to town literally overnight?

Fixed this a bit*
I rethought it from a different angle would scum dave saz be so persistent yesterday also if you read my posts.

Judging by the way Dave went ham on me yesterday I started to take it from another angle what happens if scum don't want to touch me yet because It would backfire on them? I mean town are more likely to do do the stupid shit and think crazy outlandish things. Daves scum read on me was really outlandish it could come from town because of his arrogance he ignores so many factors. Scum dave probably wouldn't want to risk being in a bad place in case I flip.

I also thought your post 3447 was scummy like saying don't look into gobbles posts in case it outs scum. Also you reached really hard for reasoning. You said that Gobble was defending me. Gooble mentions me 3 times once once about me talking about mason claim and another about my reaction to tex cat.

I think this frustration means Garmr is more likely town.

At this time I wasn't really being scum read by anyone but tex (maybe quietly davsa but wasn't obvious) and tbh tex no one took their vote seriously (except dav). This just seems like a lazy way for gooble to join in on the consensus and look like they are doing something.

It also looks like you were lazy and isoed gooble to try and find dirt with out looking at the actual context or timing of their post. So that adds scum points as well.

[Garmr]

I voyoured tchill btw and no one wanted to visit him. No town or scum roles.

What kind of role did you expect to visit tchill?

Scum roleblock,the claimed doctor ect.

[Garmr]

Er, the Tchill slot anyway. We lost a warrior. High expectations are the upcoming burden for the replacement.

If we sacrifice Texcat can we have Tchill back?

[Garmr]

Er, the Tchill slot anyway. We lost a warrior. High expectations are the upcoming burden for the replacement.

If we sacrifice Texcat can we have Tchill back?

Damn, texcat is awesome but Tchill holds copious sentimental value. Ill contimplate this compromise.

I say we put texcat on the spit and spit roast her as a offering to Tchill.

[Garmr]

Tbh, some would say I am.

What about Garmr?

I would say Garmr is Town

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr

Big Brain

[Garmr]

VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?

Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.

Why would my read make you conftown?

Because you never read me right in the numerous games we played. Was waiting for you to vote me

I can finally be confirmed town.

[Garmr]

Random power role- I don't think we should lynch garmr today becuase of my role.

Everyone else- Lets run a counter wagon on garmr against probable scum and pretend there isn't any case on judge.

[Garmr]

coudl be there afraid of power roles taht are unkown. We dont have a watcher but what other roles could be lurking on proffi or tchill

Maybe they noticed the role cop claim by the traitor and scum have a role that is identifiable by rolecop?

[Garmr]

It's interesting to note in the neighbourhood, we noted somewhat unusually that there isnt a player list of neighbours

So technically there could be a 3rd neighbour who has lurked the entire game (ps hope you are enjoying my stream of consciousness in there )

Be interesting if there was a 3rd person who was scum and read your convo believing that he was a gunsmith.

[Garmr]

It's interesting to note in the neighbourhood, we noted somewhat unusually that there isnt a player list of neighbours

So technically there could be a 3rd neighbour who has lurked the entire game (ps hope you are enjoying my stream of consciousness in there )

Be interesting if there was a 3rd person who was scum and read your convo believing that he was a gunsmith.

Why do you assume that makes them scum, opposed to me scum them town

Couple of factors, How i'm reading you,your claim,the fact you would even bring it up, if the thread was just you two talking then I think gobble would of outed his role as traitor to you since he would know your alignment.

You know like common sense stuff.

[Garmr]

Next two properties after the scumslip are Titus and Eevee. Everyone

remember.

While Titus is a liability to town because she voted me. I am leaning to her being more town.

[Garmr]

My guess is either JJD is going to flip as a reflexive role, which explains Cliff's n1 fruit claim or there is another FV somewhere to dilute the power of Cliff's role.

Like a scum fruit vendor?

[Garmr]

Just ignore that bit,

garmrs narcissism

is showing again

Nah I'm not a narcissist just something about this game that bring out the worst in people. Don't you agree Porfii....

[Garmr]

Cough cough the dead thread of last game where you can't be confronted cough.

[Garmr]

Next two properties after the scumslip are Titus and Eevee. Everyone

remember.

While Titus is a liability to town because she voted me. I am leaning to her being more town.

This makes her a liability how?

Well if your town anyone who votes you is technically a liability because they can cause your mislynch in mylo. The best position as any alignment to win games is if your left alive in lylo and your more townie than the other players. Therefore you have to manage between hunting scum and nipping liability's.

There's multiple ways of handling a liability debunking their case and lynching scum before Lylyo if they are stubborn, convincing them your town by hunting scum or debunking their arguments, hoping they get night killed or just lynching them as a last resort if your scum reads not are not going to get lynched and you have compromise and they are a option.

Unlike Profii who thinks it's narcissistic

because he always assumes the worse in people and can't self reflect

. It's just another way to view the game and aim for victory.

[Garmr]

@billy

Can I ask why you voted me over JJD. Because I think I was pretty much on point catching Goob trying to tell JJD about his pt.

[Garmr]

If anyone ever has a problem with hectic later then think about how they don't have one right now. Last chance for scumreads there.

That's very kind of you, Hop.
I have a confession to make: I had an accident recently.
Life came along and suckerpunched me, before choke slamming me through a steel chair.
As a result, I am still recovering from the decrease of time I have available.
However, I always aspire to reach above and beyond what I should be capable of.
Therefore, I will be making a GRAND return to the game TONIGHT. Please remain excited and eagerly anticipate my return.

@Hopkirk, Aaron, Carca:
I trust the three of you more than anyone else in the world. I really don't know what I'd do without you, and I would love to hear one (or all) of you briefly summarise what's hapenned the last couple of game-days.
I feel this would give me a better understanding for when I do start catching up, and would allow me to fill in the blanks with incredible efficiency and precision.

Love you,
Hectic

Wish you a speedy recovery.

[Garmr]

Unlike Profii who thinks it's narcissistic

because he always assumes the worse in people and can't self reflect

. It's just another way to view the game and aim for victory.

au contraire mon ami

Your issue lies on your belief that I should have claimed Mason on day 1 to inform the town that the roleblocker(or whatever it was) claim was unlikely

So look at this game- I took your point and revealed I'm the backup tracker after tchill claimed tracker which killed a wagon. It remains to be seen if this stopped a lynch or a mislynch but I assume tchill is town for now so in this example it's all good and we assume something positive has come out of the whole situation

So I can easily point to an example of where I reflected and changed my behaviour based on your feedback despite how stupid I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

So why dont you go ahead and get the last word in...

Nah not claim just hammer like you said you would. He was l-1 and both mason were off him...... Don't know where you got the idea I wanted you to claim masons.

I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

Kinda like your narcissistic comment. Like I was even talking to you and dropped it

. But you need self awareness to figure that out.

[Garmr]

@billy

Can I ask why you voted me over JJD. Because I think I was pretty much on point catching Goob trying to tell JJD about his pt.

It shouldn't surprise you honestly, and I'm a bit confused by your reaction. I scumread you the last game you were town when I was town. Theres something about your confidence level that throws me off. Now, maybe you did pick that up. It's also possible that that's not what you think it is.

Hey @Profii was that comment from Gobble around the time that you told JJD you had a pt?

Pedit: Feel better Hectic. Sorry to hear about the chokeslam though a steel chair. Hopefully you can recover and give your problem a stunner.

I thought I said it last game but I act confident to slam the point in. If you have confidence in your points then people will question them.

[Garmr]

@billy

Can I ask why you voted me over JJD. Because I think I was pretty much on point catching Goob trying to tell JJD about his pt.

It shouldn't surprise you honestly, and I'm a bit confused by your reaction. I scumread you the last game you were town when I was town. Theres something about your confidence level that throws me off. Now, maybe you did pick that up. It's also possible that that's not what you think it is.

Hey @Profii was that comment from Gobble around the time that you told JJD you had a pt?

Pedit: Feel better Hectic. Sorry to hear about the chokeslam though a steel chair. Hopefully you can recover and give your problem a stunner.

I thought I said it last game but I act confident to slam the point in. If you have no confidence in your points then people will question them.

Fixed

Like saying he could be scummy because of reason A I don't know. Is not as effective as saying "I find this scummy (reason a)"

You are going to find quite a few people on this site that portray themselves as confident in their reads.

[Garmr]

Unlike Profii who thinks it's narcissistic

because he always assumes the worse in people and can't self reflect

. It's just another way to view the game and aim for victory.

au contraire mon ami

Your issue lies on your belief that I should have claimed Mason on day 1 to inform the town that the roleblocker(or whatever it was) claim was unlikely

So look at this game- I took your point and revealed I'm the backup tracker after tchill claimed tracker which killed a wagon. It remains to be seen if this stopped a lynch or a mislynch but I assume tchill is town for now so in this example it's all good and we assume something positive has come out of the whole situation

So I can easily point to an example of where I reflected and changed my behaviour based on your feedback despite how stupid I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

So why dont you go ahead and get the last word in...

Nah not claim just hammer like you said you would. He was l-1 and both mason were off him...... Don't know where you got the idea I wanted you to claim masons.

I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

Kinda like your narcissistic comment. Like I was even talking to you and dropped it

. But you need self awareness to figure that out.

If you are going to go cough cough profii then expect a response. Dont make out like I start any of this as it's simply untrue

As untrue as you claiming I wanted you to claim masons day 1? While you don't always start it I will admit. You did this time and refused to acknowledge it. You have a habit of altering what happened in the past to please yourself.

[Garmr]

But talking about narcissism, trying to rationalise their actions to avoid blame profii is another symptom of it. Are you sure you aren't projecting?

[Garmr]

I do think we need to reduce the JJd wagon until we have thought this through properly

I'm of the opposite opinion we should hammer him and not repeat a kreag.

[Garmr]

@Profii - what the fuck are you waiting on here? I cant see any scum motivation in what you're doing, but its sure as hell weird.

I'm not hammering until we know why cliff didnt pursue a guilty yesterday?

I have a reason he could of as town. But I don't want to accidentally feed scum a way out again like I did the worst in another game.

[Garmr]

this will probably get me lynched but I think Cliff is town and was making a gamble. He looked like he somewhat was regretting his actions around the end f the day. If he was scum I would expect a bit more of happy tone when he lynched JJD but all I could see was regret.

[Garmr]

this will probably get me lynched but I think Cliff is town and was making a gamble. He looked like he somewhat was regretting his actions around the end f the day. If he was scum I would expect a bit more of happy tone when he lynched JJD but all I could see was regret.

This actually makes him scummier for me since it felt like a last ditch effort to say "whoops I was wrong I screwed up" when he knew JJD was gonna flip town.

Yeah I got the impression he thought he was going to flip town but didn't want himself lynched. If it was scum trading I would expect a more smug response not a Oh fuck moment.

[Garmr]

Okay look this is kind of an insane request but given the state town is in right now (very bad imo unless the traitor implies a small number of scum compared to what we might expect)

Can you guys just like assume I am town while you discuss things and lynch me? I NEED to be lynched and you guys REALLY SHOULD just assume we now have 4 conftown because that's the only real benefit I can provide right now. I know it's asking a lot but fuck I dont want to see everyone talking about if I'm scum and what that means for the game when it's not the case. Then this day is just town making cases/associations etc based around WRONG INFO.

I am town and I need to die. Just please trust me enough to assume I'm not lying, dave, carc, billy, and PROBABLY bob are TOWN.

Personally I think there's at least 2/3 scum in dalton, eevee, texcat, garmr, and hopkirk

Of course dave and carc are town they are confirmed town. Dave by mod and and carc by mason kill. But you are 100% wrong on billy.

[Garmr]

I mean honestly it looks pretty obvious that garmr legit knows that billy and I are town and is trying to push the dream play here as scum which is to lynch billy before me and try to keep me around until mylo/lylo

Actually fuck it.
VOTE: garmr

I should still eat rope here but I might as well have my vote on something useful

Nah dream play is let you hang yourself here. But if you flip town I'm replacing out. I'm tired of this game. I'm tired of this game and some of the people in it.

[Garmr]

Also if you are a loyal fruit vendor which I don't think you are. I think you are just a normal one and continue to bull shit. If you were a actual loyal fruit vendor You would of been better off sending me fruit and actual because at the moment I'm pretty mislynchable because of my role and you have people literally calling my motivation town in post but using my roleclaim as a point to try and lynch me. It's obvious bob was town and you would have to be fucking dumb to send them a loyal fruit as the real role. Which is why I think you sent a obvious townie fruit.

If this was old me I would of threw my role pm to rub it in the face of the people scum reading me that are town and got myself modkilled but I am not for that anymore.

[Garmr]

Oh wait billy got the fruit not bob n2.

[Garmr]

I also thought your post 3447 was scummy like saying don't look into gobbles posts in case it outs scum. Also you reached really hard for reasoning. You said that Gobble was defending me. Gooble mentions me 3 times once once about me talking about mason claim and another about my reaction to tex cat.

case I made earlier. like post 3424.



Like I really can't be fucked if town is acting dumb as fuck. There's at least one dumb town on me.

[Garmr]

@ mod replace me

[Garmr]

If I was scum would of stayed or at least tried to last. But this games to big to many personalities I don't mesh with and I don't have that obligation to put up with that fucking shit as town.

[Garmr]

game is certainly on the big side and slow.

Garmr you are aware there is only 2 players voting you and one of them is cliff. People might be scum reading but few have you placed higher than cliff

Tex,dave,titus,Billy,Rick and cliff have thrown dirt scum reads. They can't all be scum and dave is confirmed town.

I can't be fucked dealing with that. Also I voyeured Hopkirk since he was supposed to be a power role that sorted town.


]Did not see anything.


Was my result so scum can't be bothered to place nay role on him if they have one.

[Garmr]

Reminder from da rulz.

oh forgot that one I'm having a bad day sigh.

[Garmr]

Can I point out texcats probably scum this game.

Since they joined the game they haven't really stuck their neck out they sat on me using me as a shield. They contributed nothing. They Really haven't voiced a opinion on rick today they just voted me.

No matter the circumstance I can see tex being scum.

Me and cliff town.- Scum motivation is staying off the cliff wagon and getting my mislynch. Also no one questions her vote.

Me town and cliff scum- Trying to save their buddy.

Any scenario where i'm scum (which i'm not but from a outsider pov they don't know) Would be parking their vote on scum mate to get cred and not do anything.


From a outsider pov Tex should be scum no matter what.

[Garmr]

Kop
Rick Dalton
Carcalilly
Garmr
bob

@ Billy - Patience, it's easiest if we go through everyone, then we talk about it.

No fruit from anyone also you should take carralilly out the list she's Ascetic and mason.

[Garmr]

dont worry about replacing me feel better

[Garmr]

I feel better*

[Garmr]

I forgot kop even exists in this game.

[Garmr]

Actually let me match this a second, then I probably won't post for at least 12 hours.

Assuming 5 scum, we have today and tomorrow to mislynch. I'm basically considering 5 people as conf!town. So theres 4 more townies in that pool of 9 I identified earlier. So we're probably to the point that scum is not gonna kill in that pool unless we give them a reason to, like 1 of them claims a PR. And we have at least 1 town or that can investigate the claimed prs and 1 1 town pr that can investigate the claimed VTs. If we keep Cliff alive, he can investigate at least one of the VT claims.

Assuming we mislynch, scum kill a conf!townie and Cliff gets an inno, then we're at 5 conf!townies and the lynch pool is down to 7 with all five scum there.

If we mislynch, and Cliff gets a guilty, we only have 4 conf!townies, but we have a guaranteed kill for LYLO or we could lynch that that day.

Look, if we trust Cliff (which I do) town can basically PoE this for a win. If we force a mass claim now, i think it enhances our chances.

I think we should mass claim. I already claimed, so did Profii, Cliff, and Garmr. If I have a choice, i want to popcorn to texcat.

On a side note, did Garmr claim n3 target?

Yeah hopkirk and no result. I thought because hopkirk claimed to have a investigative role of sorts it would attract a scum role if he wasn't killed.

[Garmr]

Actually let me match this a second, then I probably won't post for at least 12 hours.

Assuming 5 scum, we have today and tomorrow to mislynch. I'm basically considering 5 people as conf!town. So theres 4 more townies in that pool of 9 I identified earlier. So we're probably to the point that scum is not gonna kill in that pool unless we give them a reason to, like 1 of them claims a PR. And we have at least 1 town or that can investigate the claimed prs and 1 1 town pr that can investigate the claimed VTs. If we keep Cliff alive, he can investigate at least one of the VT claims.

Assuming we mislynch, scum kill a conf!townie and Cliff gets an inno, then we're at 5 conf!townies and the lynch pool is down to 7 with all five scum there.

If we mislynch, and Cliff gets a guilty, we only have 4 conf!townies, but we have a guaranteed kill for LYLO or we could lynch that that day.

Look, if we trust Cliff (which I do) town can basically PoE this for a win. If we force a mass claim now, i think it enhances our chances.

I think we should mass claim. I already claimed, so did Profii, Cliff, and Garmr. If I have a choice, i want to popcorn to texcat.

On a side note, did Garmr claim n3 target?

Yeah hopkirk and no result. I thought because hopkirk claimed to have a investigative role of sorts it would attract a scum role if he wasn't killed.

By no result I mean no one visted him not a action fail just to clarify before a misunderstanding happens. The wording was "Did not see anything."

[Garmr]

I haven't caught up but I really don't like this lynch Titus talk. Seems like a cheap cop out. We know my utility picks up once we lynch scum.

Perfect way to discredit me after Cliff flips scum.

I don't think it's about your activity so this doesn't argue much.

I think the main points are why did you say that I'm town then do a 180 flip and voting me at opportunistic time.

Bob thinks you are the real scum fruit vendor or had knowledge of my it.

There's other points but these ones that are most striking to me.

[Garmr]

if a certain someone doesn't get NKed soon he needs to be lynched just because scum would never leave that player with that claim alive this long. Especially with the weird fucking tchill kill

the only reason tchill dies there over like 3 or 4 different people is if they thought he was tracking scum (maybe given away in crumb or something. Someone should look into that)

Are you talking about the doc claim?

[Garmr]

I don't feel like voting for cliff I'm up for voting tex or titus's slot.

[Garmr]

I don't feel like voting for cliff I'm up for voting tex or titus's slot.

How do you feel about massclaim?

Don't care do it or not I outed my role and i think most claimed.

[Garmr]

Good point. I don't see why scum cliff didn't take my hand when I was defending him through. I guess he thought he could run a counter wagon on me to survive but that would of been a stupid move.

[Garmr]

I'm just feeling stuck but Cliff seems like a good place to Lynch, particularly if I am not getting a Garmr Lynch.

You never justified a lynch on me or gave any points that's a reason people are scum reading you. Are you going to ignore that to or dismiss by saying you'll be useful latter on.

[Garmr]

Hey Titus really important question what do you read my slot as???

VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?

Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.

VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?

Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.

Why would my read make you conftown?

Because you never read me right in the numerous games we played. Was waiting for you to vote me

This implies

1) Garmr thinks I am town before I even posted
2) That is Town!Titus scumreads him, he should get that as a shield
3) That my reads are always wrong

This serves as a preemptive discredit before I even said word one about him being anti-town or scum. When I turned to lynching him, he then started getting aggressive with me.

it was a running joke and you had plenty of time to say this but still town read me at the time. So this seems like a bs excuse.

[Garmr]

VOTE: cliff

Been thinking about mechanics and my role. I think with 2 fruit givers one town one scum my role was supposed to be negative utility for town given potential false positives or false guiltys.

[Garmr]

OH SHIT i misunderstood what garmrs role did

yeah he could be scum

I still don't think you understand my role. It's basically watcher but instead of players i get roles. I think it was supposed to be used in trinity with the watcher,vouyer ect.

[Garmr]

cliff flipping scum pretty much clears me as town.

[Garmr]

cliff flipping scum pretty much clears me as town.

Would like to see your reasoning. As im realy not sure cliff flipping scum makes it more or less likely your scum

My role as town actually gives a scum fruit vendor more utility. In the best case scenario cases for scum it helps them out more. Basically a scum fruit giver is better with a town voyeur is what I'm saying. Just since we all claimed early it busted the set up.

[Garmr]

I don't flip scum

You will because I'm town.

[Garmr]

I don't flip scum

You will because I'm town.

no one told me it was opposite day

It's not lol. Also I can tell your trying to set it up so it looks like we are distancing.

[Garmr]

if I was gamethrowing I would just self hammer but no, I'm not fucking

game throwing

I am trying to do what I can to at least do something positive before I get mislynched

So is that a admission to playing to the scum win con.

[Garmr]

I thought the doc would protect profii?

[Garmr]

VOTE: Titus

Think it was obvious from yesterdays play that titus is scum. Makes the excuse she'll be useful latter as a way to dodge but majority of points brought up weren't related to that.

[Garmr]

Also will ask again so you don't miss it why weren't you protecting profii. He was the obvious choice to protect.

[Garmr]

Rick your avoiding answering who you doctored?

[Garmr]

Are people dense or don't they get I'm holding my claim off for a reason when I didn't bother anwsering Billy for the first time.

[Garmr]

Also you can probably figure out who I watched from my questions today. So dense I guess.

[Garmr]

garmr who do you think the order of claims to be shoudl be

Everyone else me last.

but if we are claiming roles i'm just a simple voyeur no modifiers.

[Garmr]

Are people dense or don't they get I'm holding my claim off for a reason when I didn't bother anwsering Billy for the first time.

Did you not see that I gave you an out here? I mean jesus dude. It's like you're angry for the sake of being angry. I want your results up to but excluding last night before Rick claims his full results including last night, then you go with last night. Why are you pissy about that or are you holding off on someone else?

I claimed every result through before this one through if you read my posts??? I got confused what you meant.

[Garmr]

Night caralilly1- No results
Night 2 Tchill-No visits
Night 3-Hopkirk- no vists because I expected scum to kill the doctor and Hopkirk claimed a power role. That could sort things.
Night 4...

[Garmr]

ok so we have garmr claiming that hopkirk had no visits even though quite a few pr had already been claimed.

Do you remember teh post numbers of the posts you believed hopk claimed a pr.

3498 I guess Can't remember

Also

claiming masons?

It sure looks like it, and the start of Hopkirk ISO confirms it.

Can you quit trying to out prs. You saw what happened to the first set of masons.

Why are you trying to kill the 'effective masons' now

.

-Hec

This implies a power role was used to sort it. If this isn't the case I could see a scum gamble or one managed to trick the other into think they were town and going along with a fake power role.

[Garmr]

@pine this game is fucked with out back knowledge feel sorry for u

[Garmr]

Rick your avoiding answering who you doctored?

Just didn’t see.

I’m Non Consecutive. I didn’t do anything last night.

I brought up protecting Dave so scum wouldn’t kill him, because he was the most likely to die out of the conf townies.

Oh ok I was seeing if you would say you got Cockblocked or not because I watched you and scum didn't touch you at all in fact no one did. So scum don't have a Cockblock.

[Garmr]

Also I think should be lynched today as I don't trust town to be competent enough not vote me during Mylo/lylo as they are pretty much scum reading me off my role alone despite others saying my actual play is townie.

I think after me you should vote Titus and then after that vote Texcat because she's been coasting behind me the whole game.

[Garmr]

Can we just flip me first I'm town but I'm sick of this game/ Everyone basically scum reading me for my role I don't want to play.

[Garmr]

Sigh I didn't know if doctor existed back then it could of been a hjailkeeper ect.

[Garmr]

Sigh I didn't know if doctor existed back then it could of been a jailkeeper ect. I wanted scum to hunt a imaginary doctor and not shoot the mason it's fucking simple. I didn't expect the actual real doctor/protective role to be fucking stupid.

[Garmr]

Can anyone tell me why TexCat is town and what opinions you she holds close other than scum reading me.

[Garmr]

Of course I'm not expecting anything remarkable within 59 posts so it's hard to tell.

Do you want them to eat the rope today, garmr?

Yeah but it would also be nice if I could play a part in hanging scum like tex and titus.

[Garmr]

actually.... One more question garmr, what do you think of Rick?

And Rick, what do you think of garmr?

With the macho claim and the limit I think his town unless someone else claims jailkeeper or doctor.

[Garmr]

[Texcat, Eevee, Garmr]

This specific pool of players... If one is scum then I believe the other two are town.

I think Tex and Eevee could be a scum team tbh because I don't see anything ruling them out. But if I would have to pick one I'd pick Tex.

[Garmr]

actually.... One more question garmr, what do you think of Rick?

And Rick, what do you think of garmr?

With the macho claim and the limit I think his town unless someone else claims jailkeeper or doctor.

Do you believe his claim? Do you agree or disagree with his final stance on cliff?

tbh his claims the only reason i'm town reading him.you mean if his town we get more inno yep i believe it.

[Garmr]

With the macho claim and the limit

I don't understand this part.

The 2 macho towns that died and the limited use of his doc I can buy his town. Macho suggest a doctor/jail keeper and his the only claim making him town.

[Garmr]

The mail was basically asking if I power role and to give a reply to signal I am. I thought if I out myself and pretend there was a doctor protecting Carcalilly then scum won't shoot her. Because I got no result which I mistaken for no visits I thought we had no doctor role and maybe a jail keeper more interested in trying to stop scum.

So the gambit was all me. Also I would of doc gamma because he was the more likely kill since Lilly seemed more obvious to the average player. Also I like gamma because I played with him a bit and we never clashed.

[Garmr]

I've got an insane role lined up to claim. Took me a solid few months of extensive wiki readings, and a few PhDs on surrounding topics for me to fully understand my role.
YIITOTVVBLMFCADHATIAZOTGTOA

Here's my claim, friends ^

It's not the worst if I get lynched here, don't really have much time for this game.
Just know that I have VERY good reason to think Hop is scum here. Just trust me on this and lynch him after me. You guys can work out the rest.

Yes I'm Interestedly Town Of The Vanilla Variety But Let Me Fake Cop And Doc Here And Throw In A Z Or Two Guess That's One Actually

Wait didn't you say you shared a qt with Hopkirk earlier and that's Hopkirk used a role to confirm you town or vice versa I'm getting confused.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Hectic

[Garmr]

I been under the assumption this whole time that you and hopkirk had a qt + a role and that's why you were town reading each other because of it.

[Garmr]

I been under the assumption this whole time that you and hopkirk had a qt + a role and that's why you were town reading each other because of it.

I think I ninjaed this.

Plus this assumption seems ridiculous with the masons being outed and the neighbors confirmed.

This games ridiculous tbh.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Pine

[Garmr]

Billy,

Hectic,

Dave,

AF,

Garmr

have at least 2 scum in them then.

Yes, I know there are multiple conf townies in that.

The statement still is correct.

Found your two

[Garmr]

We should still be lynching Garmr.

is that what your telling your scum buddies?

[Garmr]

Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.

It's so simple I think a newbie could get it.

It relies on three factors.

1. In my eyes No one visited the living mason because i misread the result
2. A mason died
3.I wanted to save the mason.

With those three things I thought one
1.the doctor may of been roleblocked and saying a doctors actions went through would trick scum into thinking they missed.
2.If there was no doctor scum will hunt a imaginary one.
3. Scum wouldn't shoot the mason because they would think she was protected.


Also people say it's scum trying to out the doctor
1.What dumb ass doctor would out themselves. They should quit mafia if they do.
2.it gives me flack
3.there's better ways of outing the doctor


Like this is all basic stuff I don't understand why people can't comprehend such basic shit and been here for so long.

[Garmr]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.

[Garmr]

Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.

It's so simple I think a newbie could get it.

It relies on three factors.

1. In my eyes No one visited the living mason because i misread the result
2. A mason died
3.I wanted to save the mason.

With those three things I thought one
1.the doctor may of been roleblocked and saying a doctors actions went through would trick scum into thinking they missed.
2.If there was no doctor scum will hunt a imaginary one.
3. Scum wouldn't shoot the mason because they would think she was protected.


Also people say it's scum trying to out the doctor
1.What dumb ass doctor would out themselves. They should quit mafia if they do.
2.it gives me flack
3.there's better ways of outing the doctor


Like this is all basic stuff I don't understand why people can't comprehend such basic shit and been here for so long.

I get that, but eventually your lie will be outed when no doctor can confirm your claim during a mass claim, and that suddenly puts suspicion on you for lying.
But I see a lot more town motivation there now than scum motivation.

Yeah when mass claim happens is the key. until then mason is safe and smart town will understand why I did it.

[Garmr]

titus is scum flipping poe Pine should hopefully scum flip and tex cat should scum flip.

[Garmr]

@Garmr
The problem I'm still having is why you'd voyeur a mason at all.
Voyeur is a non-specific rolecop. If you want to know what roles exist in a game, you target people who you expect to be targeted.
Detecting that a kill exists is useless, and that's the only thing other than a doc who expects to target a mason.

Town

detecting a doc is useless. As town you don't need to know about the existence of one.

I think you have claimed your targets, but I saw pretty big gaps in reasoning on why you'd target them.

I would still put Garmr near the end. I see the overall balance as being at least kinda town motivated.

You are think small scum could have a watcher as well. Just cause town flipped one doesn't mean scum don't either.

[Garmr]

Can we beat the record with the most pages. I would like to be in that record again.

[Garmr]

I just keep going back towards Garmr claiming an action on Carcalilly, who then claimed to be Ascetic, followed by a Garmr backtrack. The thing that also set me off from that is that I did target Carcalilly, and said so, and he confirmed my action.

In my last scum game, i claimed to be a tracker, and confirmed someone’s action after they claimed, only for them to claim Ascetic, and i backtracked saying i was gambiting. I was scum there.

I was letting it slide for a bit, but I’m just feeling Occam’s razor is Garmr’s scum.

Claim your action last night Garmr.

I forgot to input one.

[Garmr]

@Garmr: did you ever Voyeur Rick to see if he got roleblocked, if not why?

ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.

Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.

Please prove you've actually done this and aren't pretending to have read her meta.

UNVOTE:

If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.

Are you saying you would you townread Titus more if Garmr substantiated it?

Yeah I checked before no one was on him.

[Garmr]

I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.

VOTE: Garmr

I wouldn't know if titus is telling the truth I didn't input a night action I forgot.

[Garmr]

The wiki gods just spoke to me.
Hopkirk is scum pushing a final mislynch for the win.
Aaron is scum for his forced HecticVHopkirk SvS theories.
Eevee is scum because all the conftown seem to think so.
Texcat is scum. Hop townreads her and not enough people have attacked her from this group.
Garmr is scum by PoE.

Your poe is bad then no offence

[Garmr]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

[Garmr]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

You realise this is LyLo, so if you're town, you're giving scum the win?
Good job locking yourself as scum.

Is it lylo? Do we know scums number. Oh well gg scum deserve to win.

[Garmr]

The Eevee, hectic, Titus, texcat scumteam definitely doesn't deserve to win. They've done basically nothing except sit back and let a few town screw over the rest of us.

UNVOTE: garmr
VOTE: Hectic

Hectic kinda made himself clear scum with that reaction to my posts. Also this post helps me confirm you as town. If you were scum you'd of piled on me.

[Garmr]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

You realise this is LyLo, so if you're town, you're giving scum the win?
Good job locking yourself as scum.

If hes locked as scum why didnt you vote him there?

His scum and is waiting for town to vote me.

[Garmr]

It should be clear what's scum end game is from hectic and titus post. It's to try and lynch me and win.

[Garmr]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

4 scum for 25 players?
There must be a serial killer or other anti-town roles in that game.
A standard 21 player game has... oh, I just realised it's 5 scum actually.
Since the number of town is 3× the number of scum + 1.
I think I concluded it must be 6 because one of the scum was a weaker traitor.
But I guess it's not definitely LyLo then.

I inferred it wasn't lylo because I wasn't hammered.

These two players make me cautious that it is lylo.

[Garmr]

The reluctance from everyone but Titus voting for Garmr this game is telling. Titus has a point that people are too unwilling to vote for him.
There might be another town in {Hopkirk, Aaron, Eevee, Texcat}, but I'm sure who yet.

Town have being trying to lynch Titus for ages kinda telling if you ask me. But wanna know why it is hard to lynch me?

The confirmed town won't let me get me mislynched.

.

[Garmr]

I don't believe that Garmr conveniently 'forgot' to put in a night action considering that his voyeur claim has been a big talking point.

Not sure what he's trying to do with the whole 'let's mislynch me now' thing.

Night 1 he also fake claimed that he had a result on Ascetic and backtracked. Occam’s razor, Garmr is just scum. The ate is good, though.

I gave my entire reasoning for that (protecting the doc). Your putting it out of context. But that because paranoia is making you incompetent the simplest answer is I'm telling the truth.

[Garmr]

Tex: Wants to vote Hectic/Hopkirk/Garmr
AFF: Wants to vote Garmr/Hectic/Hopkirk (from what I can tell). Voted Titus with no explanation then quickly recanted it.


Hm

Tex: Wants to vote Hectic/Hopkirk/Garmr
AFF: Wants to vote Garmr/Hectic/Hopkirk (from what I can tell). Voted Titus with no explanation then quickly recanted it.
Titus: Wants to vote Garmr. Does not want to lynch Eevee. Shading me.

Only outlier here is Eevee
Eevee: Wants to lynch Tex/AFF/Garmr/Titus. Has said one of us is probably bad.

VOTE: Titus

From this it's easy to see the scum team want me dead first three are obvious scum eevee and hectic are interchangeable to me after thinking about it.

VOTE: Titus

[Garmr]

Also for anyone claiming me forgetting my action is bs I could of easily went with (oh yeah I was roleblocked) if I was lying.

[Garmr]

Also for anyone claiming me forgetting my action is bs I could of easily went with (oh yeah I was roleblocked) if I was lying.

Admitting you were blocked confirms my role, which stops my mislynch and gets you lynched.

Cara, how can you not see how obviously scum Garmr is?

Why??? It would be best to confirm your role as it makes sense for scum to have a roleblocker.

[Garmr]

Starting to think hectic is the scum out of eevee/hectic

[Garmr]

So are you scum or town?

[Garmr]

Luv really needed a back up mod....

[Garmr]

VOTE: Titus

[Garmr]

Garmr you realize that today is most likely lylo right?

Yeah I know.

[Garmr]

Texcat, why am I on your never lynch list?

VOTE: Garmr

Because your scum buddies.

[Garmr]

I also think hectic is scum.

[Garmr]

Ok, why the hell are we not lynching Garmr aka Mr. I forgot?

Because I'm town and scum know I would beat you in a 1v1 so they want to avoid it.

[Garmr]

am I wrong about texcat or hectic which one?

[Garmr]

btw no one is roleblocking rick.

[Garmr]

Actually what confuses me is why no one is smart enough bar carlilly to figure out titus's role doesn't make sense with the theme of the game.

[Garmr]

Willing to make a bet here rick will be the cause of town losing this game and it will probably be his vote on me that does it.

[Garmr]

Wait, I thought Titus claimed VT?

She claimed to of roleblocked me yesterday.

[Garmr]

I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.

VOTE: Garmr

[Garmr]

Starting to wonder if Rick is actually scum. Titus being the scum roleblocker and all and untouched by rick all game when his the outed doctor.

[Garmr]

Wait, I thought Titus claimed VT?

She claimed to of roleblocked me yesterday.

I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.

VOTE: Garmr

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Why doesn't it fit the game?
Because of all the macho roles?

We have the three watching type roles (2 trackers,watcher,Voyour)

A bunch of macho like roles including masons.

2 fruit vendors

2 masons one who can send messages

1 claimed none consecutive doctor.

A role blocker doesn't jive with town in this set up.

Also if any player had a half a brain I should be considered Confirmed town in this set up as well.

But we have intellectual masterminds like tchill who was worthless this game that couldn't see that.

[Garmr]

Also if any player had a half a brain I should be considered Confirmed town in this set up as well.

And why should we consider you conf town?

Set up spec,the fact I been hinting at my role since day 1, The fact every scum player wants to lynch me, what hopkirk said in post 5389. Should I go on.

[Garmr]

Town
Garmr
Carralilly
Rick
Bob
Hopkirk

Scum team is this

Titus
Texcat
Hectic
AaronFrost

I'm town Carra is confirmed town
Rick is most likely town due to his role not any of his play. Bob is confirmed by the power roles and Hopkirk could of won by now if he was scum by voting me.

Titus is obvious scum. Tex won't vote titus because her only chance of winning is to lynch me over titus. Aaron frost and hectic are scum by POE.

[Garmr]

Also there's no scenario where Titus and Texcat are both town together.

The scum team would have to be
Me
Hectic
frost
Hop

Hop and kirk are not scum together. So we can already rule that out. I know I'm not scum so I can also rule that scenario out. So since that scenario is impossible.

It leaves either a svt or svs. If Titus is scum then having tex vote me has already thrown the game as they have shown no interest in voting off me. The game would of ended. If titus is town same scenario game would of ended as both are stubborn with their votes. Their reluctance to vote each other and titus lack of read on tex shows they are scum partners in every scenario.

[Garmr]

Does anyone who is not titus/tex agree or disagree with tex/titus being scum partners. and why?

[Garmr]

VOTE: Texcat

Yep I'm fine with flipping this slot.

[Garmr]

Hmm I don't know what to talk about.

[Garmr]

Rick, you should really unvote. Garmr is obvscum and it's highly unlikely both Hopkirk and Hectic are town. You called him obvscum and look who he won't vote...Garmr.

Hopkirk meanwhile wants me to catch all the scum before voting Garmr.

Garmr was straight up caught in a fiction yo avoid confirming me and we let it go?

Thank you for confirming Tex as scum to me.

[Garmr]

Now from everyones point of veiw tex is confirmed scum as every possible scum team combo that doesn't involve her has had a chance to hammer.

[Garmr]

Just hammer thanks.

[Garmr]

Hectic and Garmr are probably tex's scum partners.

Hectic votes Garmr D6 then reluctantly votes Eevee at the end of the day. Possibly trying to gain towncred by saying 'I didn't want to lynch Eevee.'

The comes out of the gate today voting for Garmr then quickly goes to texcat because... why?

Hectic should be tomorrow's lynch imo.

So you can make this little speech and try to set me up as partners with them despite the whole game them trying to set up my lynch.

[Garmr]

Hectic and Garmr are probably tex's scum partners.

Hectic votes Garmr D6 then reluctantly votes Eevee at the end of the day. Possibly trying to gain towncred by saying 'I didn't want to lynch Eevee.'

The comes out of the gate today voting for Garmr then quickly goes to texcat because... why?

Hectic should be tomorrow's lynch imo.

So you can make this little speech and try to set me up as partners with them despite the whole game them trying to set up my lynch.

It's the fact that both Hop and Hectic have been reluctant to push you for the past two days and Hectic's treatment of your slot especially reads as trying to bus but not wanting to fully commit when there's other lynches on the table.

At the moment I'm like 99% sure Hectic is scum.

That's ok I'm thinking Hectic is probably scum as well. Titus seems like the other scum agree?

[Garmr]

ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.

Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.

Why do I have a terrible feeling that Titus is town horribly misplaying, and we're at Lylo with 5 scum alive?
Titus' hammer was ridiculously bad, but I have no idea why scum would do that there when Pine was basically certain to be lynched regardless.
Explain yourself, Titus.

Would like to say this feel really like scum partner esk to me.

[Garmr]

So we have two scum Tex and Hectic try to defend Titus due to meta. I would like to chip in with all my experiences with Titus this feels like her scum game.

[Garmr]

So I was basica traitor traitor.

[Garmr]

basically a traitor traitor.*

[Garmr]

I swear Garmr was gonna catch me, though

was thinking it I was like scum aren't touching him for a reason.

[Garmr]

I think the biggest reason town lost is that we simply couldnt come togather on one lynch. How many times were players scum reading titus but couldnt come together on his lynch at the same time. Think it would have been a different story if had managed to get titus lynched day 6. We had the votes but not at the same time

Yeah I don't understand why town didn't lynch titus she was obvious scum and I don't think any town was stupid enough to town read her. I sensed something was off when titus town read me then did a 180 after the traitor flip.

[Garmr]

I sensed something was off when titus town read me then did a 180 after the traitor flip.

Truth, it did flip because you were not the traitor but being your usual town self. Instead of using this though, you picked a fight with me, failed to submit an action that gave me cover, and refused to reset your reads.

If scum mistake you for the traitor, what does that mean about your reads as a whole?

I don't know depends on what they are mistaken me for. End game I had the scum bar rick early game was a mess.

I did pick up on gamma and a few other townies as town through. So if I were to say anything about my reads I'd say averagish, If I were going to talk about my play this game meh at best because I stopped caring.

[Garmr]

Long twilight,lack of vca,terrible set up,lots of replacements I just didn't want to play which is why I wanted lynched. Replacing out would be a burden on who ever took my slot.