Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!
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But how do you know it is Depesche Mode unless you're a closet listener. Case closed!Adel wrote:
Ecto has a Depeshe Mode quote in his sig... IRL that is enough for me to put machine oil in his coffee.Rosso Carne wrote:
nah, nothing really to vote on IMHO.Adel wrote:Mod: camisade has not posted in this thread yet. Prod?
Rosso Carne has not voted yet... I'd like to get out of the random stage, thank you very much nicely.-
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He was at L-4, are you on crack or something?CoolBot wrote:Are you kidding me, shaft? One unvote is a dying wagon? The only reason it was dying was that Albert whined about it, not for any reasonable defense by Surye. I think a claim is justified at this point. It only being 6 or 7 pages in doesn't change that.-
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I had a more detailed reply in mind, but for some reason today mafia is just feeling like work. But so as to not keep you hanging over the weekend.
You'll notice the SOP comment came a lot earlier in the game. A few things have transpired since then and you should know that.Adel wrote:reading all of shaft.ed's posts in isolation I note two things...
1. he recognizes my playsstyle and characterizes it as being my SOP
Actually I think I might have talked about Coolbot more than you outside of randomness posts. But you have to realize your playstyle is designed to attract attention and will thus be the topic of discussion. I don't know how you expect for someone not to talk about you or think you possible scum D1.Adel wrote:2. Beyond typing my name a lot, he votes for me and then says he needs to figure out why he thinks I am scum...
If that were all I was after I could do this.Adel wrote:conclusion: shaft.ed likes me getting attention
But there's no sense in telling me
The wisdom of the fool won't set you free
But that's the way that it goes
And it's what nobody knows
Well everyday my confusion grows-
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I'm finding it hard to see where Coolbot fits into your above comments?farside22 wrote:
I have a question on this for tar. Why would Surye have to claim. Only one person was asking for his claim and kept asking.Tarhalindur wrote:Back after a week of relative inactivity.
The big question of the last six pages: why the hell was Surye not forced to claim when he reached L-2?
Oh wait, that's an easy question: Surye didn't have to claim because Ecto (and to a lesser extent Adel) derailed the wagon just after it reached L-2 and before Surye was forced to claim.
I'm not going to fault CoolBot for wanting a claim out of someone who should have been forced to claim 3 pages ago. I do, however, think Ectomancer's derailing the Surye wagon and many, many questions asked while giving only a few of his own thoughts indicates that Ecto is fairly likely to be scum.
Unvote, Vote: Ectomancer
@Albert: Why in the world do you think that Survey is just being normal and what is with a claim and comment that says you are not the vig. Was that necessary?
Vote: Coolbot
Surye defended himself and although it wasn't great there wasn't much for him to say. I just get the impression you are trying to put pressure on him for no reason, but to get it off you which is anti-town. I haven't seen anything you pointed out that made you vote or state Survye as scum.-
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Allright, did a light reread and nothing new struck me. Surye was a bit odd leading into his bandwagon. I find it interesting he's cut back considerably on the posting since getting in that hot water. But that seems understandable regardless of alignment.
Also Coolbot obviously stands out as wanting a claim. I've only seen his argument for a claim once before and it was made by scum, so I know I'm biased towards seeing that as a scum tell.
Adel and Ecto have also cut back on the posting considerably since the end of "random" stage has been declared (same could be said of me so pot kettle etc.). I find it strange that either of them would be afraid to stick their necks out because of that.
But it seems obvious the scum are playing their cards close to their chest. I'm not familiar with too many players here, but does anyone have a meta that fits?-
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I see two useful types of meta's:Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:
Personally I ignore player metas, so I don't consider town/scum tells based on if people are behaving the same or differently relative to past games.shaft.ed wrote:I'm not familiar with too many players here, but does anyone have a meta that fits?
To what extent do you consider players' metas to be town/scum tells?
1) Out and out tell. This is a behavior that someone always does differently as scum/town that they are unaware of. I've caught these behavoirs on occassion and will use them to weigh end game decisions or who to pressure if I notice them. These can be noticed from simple re-reads of a players history.
2) Playstyle. If I notice someone has a particular playstyle after playing with them as town/scum, if they go against this I will decide to pressure such players. Not nearly as useful as tells, and are more difficult to absorb from a dettached re-read. I only have enough game experience with Adel to really use this approach. But her meta seems to be that she constantly shifts her meta, so I don't know if it will be too useful.-
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I like this idea.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Coolbot, you must choose between Adel and yourself.
Adel your unvote is very unsettling. I was on your side until that point.
I'm not sure if we have enough info to say either Adel or ABR is scum. I've read ABR being very bull-headed so there's an off chance they're two townies having at it. I'd like to wait on removing either from the game until this is more obvious, but I would rank either as my second choice for a lynch as more information would be garnered from it than other players who are part of the lurkfest. If they are two townies, scum will not be killing them in the night which is good for the town.
So yeah, I'd go with Coolbot given what I've seen.
And I'd also like to put all the lurkers on notice that this crap will not be tolerated in the future. I've been lax on my lurker pressure in this game, sorry for that.-
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So would you rather ABR or Surye claim at this point?CoolBot wrote:Why especially in a meta-breaking game? Scum still have to make up their claim. True, it's easier because we can't rule out roles but that doesn't render claims useless. Scum make mistakes when pressured. I will continue to apply pressure where I feel fit.
Remember, it was ABR who stalled the Surye wagon before it was able to do its job, and it's ABR who is promoting a completely baseless wagon on Adel. When the Adel wagon proved tough, he moved back to me to get a lynch. It looks to me he's protecting Surye and trying to push through any other lynch he can. That's why my vote changed, and that's where it'll stay until he makes a believable claim or he's dead.-
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I didn't Mod you in house, I was scum. I've already stated your unvote did not sit well with me. I don't consider it wishy washy, but I think you would be more likely to stick to your guns if you really felt your case to be genuine. It seemed to me as though you may have OMGUS'd Albert and then, realizing it, tried to backpedal.Adel wrote:
after modding me in House, do you think that he could honestly consider me unvoting him for a mater of hours to be both "wishy washy" and a scumtell?shaft.ed wrote:I'm personally not getting a good read on either Adel or ABR. Elias matches what little I've seen of him as town. And I still like my Coolbot vote.-
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I'm pretty much agreeing with Kison here.Kison wrote:I do not find Albert's arguments to be sincere. The problem is I don't think he cares one way or another if he's right or not, regardless of alignment. Could be wrong, but that's my take on him.
I still stand by a Coolbot lynch. Not planning to move my vote at this time.-
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Told you guys waiting till morning would clear that whole thing up. So yeah I have no idea where to go from here.Guardian wrote:Day 2 Starts
Day 2 has a deadline of ~24 days -- it will end no later than Friday May 23 8 PM EST.
Albert was pistol-whipped to death.
Albertwas aTown Role-Blocker.
Adel was chainsawed to death.
was aAdel.Mafia Goon
Day 2 has begun.
Elias how's bout some comments re: your ABR attacks yesterday?-
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He claimed roleblocker (which he flipped) when he was pushed to L-3. I'd take a look at that wagon. Though it's obvious Adel was using Coolbot as part of it.
He appears to have been killed in a "mafia" style but I don't know if we want to make those inferences in a game that's supposed to break the meta. However, him fingering a Goon D1 would give credence to their desire to kill him.-
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Sorry I didn' realize you were waiting on a response. If you reread my post it wasn't an attack, and you even acknowledged that the first time you posted on the subject saying "looking at me" instead of "attacked me." I was more interested in your response than pointing a finger at you, I'm not sure where it falls at this point.Elias_the_thief wrote:
I was hoping you might respond to this...i dont understand why you attacked me and ignored the people on the coolbot wagon. Wagoning a townie to death is a lot more suspicious than attacking a player without success only to find after his nightkill that hes town. Please explain your actions.Elias_the_thief wrote:I stand by my ABR attacks. ABR is an idiot, and his play was suspicious. I'm curious as to why you're looking at me as opposed to players that were advocating the Coolbot lynch based on NOTHING. Thats who Ive got my eye on today, once I reread.
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