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This really begs the question on why they're one of the top wagons then, doesn't it?In post 1168, LucianRoy wrote:Still incredulous as to how anyone could have a solid read on this slot-
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What is your read on Tet, currently?
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I think you're overestimating how much of the game I've read?In post 1190, LucianRoy wrote:
Really? Nothing they've contributed has struck you as AI?In post 1180, Ankamius wrote:Null.
Quite frankly I find that hard to believe. Is it because you have familiarity with their meta, orrrr...?-
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In post 1206, Creature wrote:thought Ank was towny, but I need to wait more.
Why did you approach my slot with this specific mindset?In post 1207, Creature wrote:I'm good at reading Ank, but I wouldn't want to ruin my 100% reading streak on her this game by a premature read.-
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My official read of this game is that I have far too many scumreads.In post 1214, LucianRoy wrote:Are you still reading Vork as scum? Or has that changed?-
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Assuming that Vorkuta is town, which I'm willing to accept for the day since he is more a conflicted read than a scumread, then the only slot that isn't a townread there is Tet.In post 1225, LucianRoy wrote:I misread your 1218 and thought you were saying Bae's wagon was rich with your scumpool.
That said, how do you feel about Bae's wagon? Good, bad, somewhere in between?
@Ank
The LucianRoy wagon has the most town composition, while Vorkuta has the least.-
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The list I would like to hard sort (since I believe there is 1-3 scum within it) is The Last Knight, Tet, Baezu, and Lil Uzi Vert.In post 1245, skitter30 wrote:
who are your scumreads?In post 1215, Ankamius wrote:
My official read of this game is that I have far too many scumreads.In post 1214, LucianRoy wrote:Are you still reading Vork as scum? Or has that changed?
BrightEyedFish is a leanscum read, and Creature is a strong scumread. Vorkuta and LucianRoy are both conflicted reads that I will shelve until a later day while I sort out the rest of my scumreads.-
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What are all your reads right now?In post 1247, ofrhz wrote:I still don’t really tr fl or fb which makes me think that maybe a lot of my reads are wrong
I might just end up sheeping today-
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I strongly disagree that Tet has done anything town all game.
I would agree with you, and say that it is almost always Baezu. I believe that people are getting stuck on Lucian because he is playing in a less decipherable way than most players are.
Vorkuta is the designated scum counterwagon, so he is less likely to be scum.-
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I am referring to this set of posts.
In post 61, Tet wrote:TLK is town which is excellent. Krazy can be on my good side for now since I still need his vote and more if possible.In post 63, Tet wrote:Sounds right, very astute.In post 67, Tet wrote:A rebel among boys.In post 69, Tet wrote:Sounds like a paradox but I won't fight it.In post 71, Tet wrote:Well you're winning me over so I'll be rooting for them.
Betting on the other guys but I'm with you in spirit.-
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I understand your mindset enough to understand that you'd be wary of me.In post 1294, skitter30 wrote:What do u think of the fact that i'm voting you?
Otherwise, I don't have any particular feelings about it, no.-
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Normally, no. This game is different from most other games.
TLK had the entrance that stuck out the most to me, and it was really fascinating the amount of townreads he got from it. The part of it that was most interesting is that the players that stuck out to me early on (and LuV's entrance, which came in later) are the exact same slots that have had the least variance in my read shift of them over time, not counting my townreads.
I find this particularly interesting because my initial thoughts were that the scumteam were looking to blend into the background and look busy rather than to get into the thick of things.
The Last Knight and Tet both mostly worked around Flavor Leaf, but otherwise fit pretty comfortably into this mold.
Baezu is a bit of a different case because of the V/LA, but her ISO from when she was here points to this as well.
Lil Uzi Vert fits this for most of his ISO, but I believe that this is weakened by his more recent posting.-
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I did not like the way he phrased 61 followed by him transitioning into a set of shitposts with Firebringer.In post 1303, skitter30 wrote:
? I dont really see this as being much awkward at allIn post 1299, Ankamius wrote:I am referring to this set of posts.
In post 61, Tet wrote:TLK is town which is excellent. Krazy can be on my good side for now since I still need his vote and more if possible.In post 63, Tet wrote:Sounds right, very astute.In post 67, Tet wrote:A rebel among boys.In post 69, Tet wrote:Sounds like a paradox but I won't fight it.In post 71, Tet wrote:Well you're winning me over so I'll be rooting for them.
Betting on the other guys but I'm with you in spirit.
It looks far less natural than everything else that was posted around that time from every slot that isn't on that list.-
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That does not surprise me in the slightest.In post 1304, skitter30 wrote:
I'm kinda voting u cuz of krazyIn post 1301, Ankamius wrote:
I understand your mindset enough to understand that you'd be wary of me.In post 1294, skitter30 wrote:What do u think of the fact that i'm voting you?
Otherwise, I don't have any particular feelings about it, no.
But ngl you've done very little to change my mind; in fact a lot of your posts feel kinda weird/artificial/scummy to me
My content has always been the part of my play that gets me scumread regardless of alignment, and I'm specifically testing a playstyle shift that pushes that into the foreground this game.-
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I specifically played to pocket Enter that entire game. I do not have this option here because there is nobody in this playerlist that can fill the same role of pocketable townlead like he did.In post 1309, NerfedBuJ wrote:Actually that's not exactly accurate. What happened last time was I sheeped a read of someone who knew her better than I did instead of trusting my own read.
I'm not saying it would have had any effect on that game, but I just don't like having wrong reads.
I also do not believe that Enter is a player that has much higher than random odds of reading me correctly. I believe that is also true of almost everybody in this playerlist as well.-
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Explain?In post 1313, Saudade wrote:You entered the game with an attitude that you have something to proooooveeeee-
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Do you have examples of you approaching the game in this way as either alignment?In post 1315, Tet wrote:
Less natural in what way? I still wanted to get a wagon going on Lucian and firebringer interacted with me in real time. It's not really ai, I approach most rvs this way.In post 1306, Ankamius wrote:
I did not like the way he phrased 61 followed by him transitioning into a set of shitposts with Firebringer.In post 1303, skitter30 wrote:
? I dont really see this as being much awkward at allIn post 1299, Ankamius wrote:I am referring to this set of posts.
In post 61, Tet wrote:TLK is town which is excellent. Krazy can be on my good side for now since I still need his vote and more if possible.In post 63, Tet wrote:Sounds right, very astute.In post 67, Tet wrote:A rebel among boys.In post 69, Tet wrote:Sounds like a paradox but I won't fight it.In post 71, Tet wrote:Well you're winning me over so I'll be rooting for them.
Betting on the other guys but I'm with you in spirit.
It looks far less natural than everything else that was posted around that time from every slot that isn't on that list.-
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In post 1314, Ankamius wrote:
Explain?In post 1313, Saudade wrote:You entered the game with an attitude that you have something to proooooveeeee-
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In post 1208, Ankamius wrote:In post 1206, Creature wrote:thought Ank was towny, but I need to wait more.
Why did you approach my slot with this specific mindset?In post 1207, Creature wrote:I'm good at reading Ank, but I wouldn't want to ruin my 100% reading streak on her this game by a premature read.-
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Okay, then what is 61 about?In post 1391, Tet wrote:
Any game I've played in that isn't in the newbie queue. I shitpost or semi shitpost until I get scumread for it. Then I get serious I guess. Depends how I feel about the interactions I got.In post 1381, Ankamius wrote:Do you have examples of you approaching the game in this way as either alignment?-
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That's not what I mean.In post 1390, Creature wrote:
because I keep feeling you're town.In post 1388, Ankamius wrote:In post 1208, Ankamius wrote:In post 1206, Creature wrote:thought Ank was towny, but I need to wait more.
Why did you approach my slot with this specific mindset?In post 1207, Creature wrote:I'm good at reading Ank, but I wouldn't want to ruin my 100% reading streak on her this game by a premature read.
I mean why are you apprehensive about reading me this game? I don't think I've ever seen you approach my slot like this, at least not this year.-
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What are your overall reads?In post 1560, BrightEyedFish wrote:Here I am.
My head is still on Vork. I'm open to other possibilities but Vork feels right.
Also, I think it's strange that Mason Saudade Knows vork is town.-
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Ftr if that is legitimately the case, then I'd be pretty certain the scumteam is almost entirely weak outside of him, which already narrows down a good chunk of slots where there is a maximum of one scum in
I'm not seeing a scenario where saudade is a viable person to try to set up a lynch on when scum can easily just work around him atm-
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ftr it's also very early to be double checking the townblock when only like... 1/3 of the game is in that block atm
Townblocks naturally shift over the first few days as more flips pop up and people's reads get refined, there's really no need to just randomly shade someone in that block because 'gotta check the reads are genuine!!!!'-
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