NY 213 - Game Over!

[Golden Robster]

it'd be pretty funny if JJD and KK were scum together

they were both locktown reads pre-texcat flip

[Golden Robster]

V/LA till 24th

will be posting but less frequent

[Golden Robster]

it made zero sense in hindsight because if TBG was scum then he would never ever try and deflect off himself by starting a wagon on his partner

I'm here and available to wagon not me players if we want that

Try tex? VOTE: tex.

[Golden Robster]

actually the only possible way I could see it coming from mafia is that he was trying to wifom and distance himself from texcat whilst knowing that he was probably going to be lynched

[Golden Robster]

anyway, VOTE: texcat

JJD wagon has no legs (sad)
I don't like Mylo/Dunn wagons
Lalawagon is OK at face value, but Wave and JJD both being on it gives me the heeblies

Tex is mildly leanscum, mostly on the wagon because the other wagons are no bueno. feelsbad going to a wagon I'm not super jazzed about, but I did hit Wheme that way, so it could be worse

Hey, I can CFD texcat too.

though, lately I've been like "but damn, that player might be just pretty lynchbait"

and like a lot of players rn feel like lynchbait

LETS GOOOOOOOO

she cannot be more lynchbaity than mylo, though, you agree?

VOTE: texcat

Sajjwagon is fine, but I think texcat wagon is better odds.

[Golden Robster]

but even then like that's super slim

TBG has a much higher likelihood of being town just from that

[Golden Robster]

and then a couple of posts later...

Does this look super contrived to anyone else? Like who just has a perfect reads flip? How does one flip just completely manage to perfectly flip your reads and cause you to throw all your townreads and scumreads out the window (even the strong ones!)

it's not perfect obviously and temporary

using it as a framework right now

I don't think anyone has a natural progression like that I think it's super contrived and was done to exaggerate why we should look past your original reads

not having natural progression =/= being mafia as long as you state clear REASONS

anka said earlier that the majority of town probably have wrong reads which is why I'm taking a step back and re-evaluating them aka flipping them

[Golden Robster]

and if I've been wrong most of the game then I'm fine with flipping my reads

it gives me a new perspective

why do you find it bad?

[Golden Robster]

How have I been passive and why does townblocking with JJD make me scum?

phone posting right now since no access to com

[Golden Robster]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

I skimmed through Krazy argument and will respond when I have computer access

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

good stuff anka sheeping this

[Golden Robster]

vanilla

still don’t have com access and I’m not typing large paragraphs on phone because effort

basically repeating what I’ve said earlier

lynch JJD then KK and consolidate under Anka since she’s my strongest TR

[Golden Robster]

Krazy just for postgame analysis; if I was scum I would never ever hard defend my partner if they were a sinking ship and I’m just going to reiterate that right here right now

I would link past scum games but none of them are recent so it’s not far fetched to say I could just take advantage and twist meta (and I’m not even a fan of meta)

[Golden Robster]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?

After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?

my own reasoning doesn’t apply to every other player because each player plays differently; it’s not a perfect formulae

and I don’t expect every player to have bussed but I think that’s one of the best places to look at after JJD and KK have been lynched

people won’t listen because they equate wrong reads = being mafia which I can’t argue with because that’s the logic that I’ve been using

JJD you didn’t have that big of a presence in stopping texcat lunch (or try to) so why are you acting like my reasoning should give you a free pass?

[Golden Robster]

lynch*

phone autocorrect

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

does anybody oppose vax wagon?

[Golden Robster]

wavemode you’re going to oppose everything I do

[Golden Robster]

I skimmed through your town vax argument and think you’re only reading what’s on the surface; texcat heavily scumread vax for his fakeclaim but did not vote him once throughout this entire game?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Skygazer

[Golden Robster]

@anka I will try and carry on your legacy even though I suck

[Golden Robster]

skygazer!scum is still possible with gamma town

[Golden Robster]

and I agree with wavemode here; if gamma was scum then it would make more sense to NK wavemode instead of leaving him alive and risk letting more players know he's conf!town

pedit: I know anka and I agree with that; if it gets to that stage then town should be re-evaluating everybody including townblock

[Golden Robster]

Confirmed Town - [Hopkirk, Wavemode, Tchill]
Town Block - [Ankamius, Mylo, TBG]
Probably not mafia - [Creature, Krazy, Gamma]
Potential lynches - [Skygazer, Vaxkiller, KK, JJD]

[Golden Robster]

there are no masses that are defending me; I was at L-2 and hardclaimed

[Golden Robster]

>main wagon
>currently at L-2
>tchill thinks masses are against my lynch

Y O U A R E 1 0 0 % W R O N G O N Y O U R R E A D O F M E

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Gamma

[Golden Robster]

L-2

Hardclaim

[Golden Robster]

if he claims PR, this is 90% going to be coming from scum rather than town just by setup spec

[Golden Robster]

would rather do skygazer, KK or JJD at this point but no momentum and nobody seems keen on CFD’ing

[Golden Robster]

krazy you haven’t been listening to me; I literally said earlier that being wrong has changed my reads drastically which makes sense that I’m townreading players that I scumread earlier.

Where did I scumread you or anka?

you’ve been tunnelling me for most days and I’ve not said much about it because I think you’re still town even though you’re wrong on your read of me

[Golden Robster]

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

[Golden Robster]

also I’m pretty salty that so many players claimed today

just consolidate onto one lynch

[Golden Robster]

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

[Golden Robster]

feel like everybody wants to jump onto the GR hate wagon without giving legitimate reasoning apart from a select few like Krazy and Wavemode (even though they’re wrong)

[Golden Robster]

okay I see creature lurking, can you come and bring gamma to L-1

[Golden Robster]

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

oh come on Gamma, you’re better than this

literally if I try and go onto any other wagon people are going to be shouting “survivalistic” and raising their pitchforks at me

that’s not a good enough reason and being consistently bad =/= being scum

[Golden Robster]

won’t be here around end of deadline so someone hammer this and get day over with

feels like it’s been a long day phase

[Golden Robster]

How does that correlate with gamma being town?

And when did you start back-pedalling on your gamma read?

[Golden Robster]

people can’t read me for shit

[Golden Robster]

someone hammer me

[Golden Robster]

JJD AND KK TOMORROW NO BUTS

okay I’m ready do it

[Golden Robster]

KK is 100% scum on my wagon

please lynch it tomorrow

[Golden Robster]

still v/la so don’t expect anything from me till I get back from holiday in a couple of days

[Golden Robster]

@krazy

stop tunnelling town idiot

[Golden Robster]

post-game you mail me cookies as apology

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: KK

L-1

[Golden Robster]

Ooh, are we doing bets?

OK, if you flip red do I get something?

but I won’t

[Golden Robster]

stop trying to rationalise everything that I do as scum-motivated when I’ve repeatedly said youre tunnelling town

stop

being

an

idiot

[Golden Robster]

where did I say I refused?

[Golden Robster]

also cookies is post-game apology for tunnelling me all game; not some kind of bet

[Golden Robster]

if you think KK and me are a scumteam, why are you still voting KK with me?

[Golden Robster]

Does that not ring alarm bells in your head or are you only rationalising content that fit your argument and not being objective?

[Golden Robster]

*slow clap*

[Golden Robster]

What’s so funny?

[Golden Robster]

don't worry we probably wont reach a lynch until deadline

also why is mylo town again because 7189 looks rlly fake

i think kk has good potential for a scum flip

mylo is town by interactions; look at texcat ISO

[Golden Robster]

getting on a plane soon

will catchup on Sunday hopefully

[Golden Robster]

okay I'm back from holiday and basically ready to help solve this game

started with going through flipped scum iso and interactions with players left alive in isolation so give me time

Whemestar - Mafia Universal Backup

Spoiler:

Creature interactions

Creature wagon is bad

Lalendra's starting to sound meh

THANK YOU TOWN CREATURE

Lol @ golden

creature aint never gettin lynched

VOTE: jar jar

Have you played with creature

Scum creature - never posts

Town creature - posts

Yah creature is lock town

Townreads - Creature,

Dunn, golden robster, scioness sajj, Kublai

(?)
Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way

Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy,

gamma

,

PP

,

lalendra

Inclined to say that wheme interactions point to creature being town; I don't think wheme buddies his partner to the extent that he was doing d1 especially since his interactions with gamma and texcat were very distance-heavy at the same time. I don't think wheme would be so outright confident to buddy his partner in an obvious manner especially since he didn't do the same with gamma and texcat. Going to say that wheme interactions

point to creature being town for now. +3

Krazy (Pine) - no interactions but not sure if that's because pine was busy;

null for now

Skygazer (Lovebird Davesaz Frozen Angel) - no interactions with lovebird and a couple with dave

null

WhemeStar, still wanting those reads please.

on who

WhemeStar, still wanting those reads please.

on who

Vax, Performer, any scumread.

Vax town performer scum

really nothing to really say here excluding the fact that little interaction between them; could fit the idea of distancing but not really anything to say here

null

JJD

VOTE: JarJar

On page 81

I have work so maybe will catch up after work

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Lol @ golden

creature aint never gettin lynched

VOTE: jar jar

wheme has posted on site within the last half hour.

Lol

JarJar is prob scum

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer

Yes he is. He's being completely survivalistic. Every post is designed to get votes off him. It's clear he doesn't care what happens if he gets roped.

Not AI so please come up with something else

not a fan of these interactions especially when we take into account the fact that wheme knew he was about to be lynched but at the same time whemestar pushed JJD for the majority of d1 and I don't see scum!wheme doing that to his buddy since he didn't do the same to gamma & texcat; mixed feelings about these posts but I say give jjd

+1

Ankamius (android)

What do you think of Andriod

Oh uhm I don’t remember reading anything of android during my catchup

no big interactions but a casual statement of not reading anything of android;

null

TBG (Arc) - no interactions;

null

Vax

wheme following up after an ISO - since you noticed screenplay, what's your read on him, and your read on the replacement?

I didn’t notice Srceenplay I just saw someone point out he’s site flaking

I think Vax is town Vax replaced Srceenplay right

WhemeStar, still wanting those reads please.

on who

Vax, Performer, any scumread.

Vax town performer scum

What kinda mini wagon was that Vax wagon

Good thing your a vig

Like a50 seemed to just copy all of the Golden dudes post and tried to make it like his when I don’t think he’s ever brought up Vax
My hard tr on a50 went downnnn
Kk all caught up

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Vax is like...obv town here.

Wat pls explain

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Weird vote from someone who knows I play weird.

Talk to me wheme

I have no idea how you play

He was counter-wagon until he claimed VT though. Wouldn't it be the scum move to claim a PR to avoid the lynch (Vaxkiller-style)?

Was gonna bring this up

Are we just ignoring vax now?

wheme goes from vax town to vax scum without decent explanation & 2341 feels fake; "talk to me" equating to engage me partner while we act town and then 3040 is last ditch attempt to throw shade

-2

granted these reasons could be applicable to JJD as well especially since wheme probably wifom'd towards the end but wheme pushed JJD and sticked with it which I don't see coming from buddies; wheme had a suprise change of heart with vax and last minute attempt to throw shade looks like shitty bussing on readthrough

wavemode - conf town

mylo

I don’t really know if I like this vote

Hey penguin can you sum up for me why mylo besides the scum in the neighbor meta thingy

That makes sense I guess.

Explain

That makes sense I guess.

Explain

Them being masons make sense. Because they're, you know, not yelling at each other.

Btw, I'm sooo abusing that conf!town is calling me obvtown

Conf town doesn’t mean right town

WHEME PLZ CLAIM THANKS

We have time

I’m at work

I want to claim and then have a discussion. Right now I cant

I think these interactions do look pretty bad just in isolation but at the same time I'm not too sure ; it feels like discussion between two players that aren't buddies than over-exaggerated "trying to look like they don't know each other" and "distancing". I say

-1

but only in isolation

5. Pine Krazy - 0
6. Creature -

+3

14. Lovebird Davesaz Frozen Angel Skygazer - 0
15. JarJarDrinks -

+1

17. Andriod18 Ankamius - 0
19. ArcAngel9 TehBrawlGuy - 0
20. Charles510 Vaxkiller -

-2

23. Myloninja13 -

-1

[Golden Robster]

okay I just realised that it's going to be a waste of time to go through and quote each post so I'm just going to post a summary instead

[Golden Robster]

@wavemode why do you think I'm scum? I was direct counter-wagon to gamma and floated at L-2 for most of d6

[Golden Robster]

and I'm not stupid enough to kill a non-confirmable like tchill rather than clears

it basically points to someone who is a newb/potential newb or someone who panicked

[Golden Robster]

That Gamma wagon is awful. Krazy,Vax,Mylo,Scion.

three and a half scumreads + mylo

yeah the wagon is awful

krazy and wavemode wagons aren't happening today

either tbg or gamma or scioness

okay these feel dissonant
VOTE: Golden Robster
Not entirely confident, but from what I've seen both from back reading and this, I'm not too impressed by his content

for reference scum!gamma was the first to wagon me at that time

[Golden Robster]

okay I caught up and I'll post indepth stuff tomorrow cause jetlag

VOTE: Vax

placeholder vote

[Golden Robster]

If Ank is scum, she's some ungodly abomination that's a hybrid of C.Shep's weird busses and the worst's nonstop redirection. The constant evasion on reads and the complete unwillingness to give anything in the ballpark of a coherent argument is tiresome. I have seen this smokescreen of bullshit used by power gaming scum before, so it's not like she's town just because she's tryhard active posting. Her reads make no sense and until they do she should basically just be ignored. Sky made a better case on Vax in three posts than she did in 60. That's what wave would call a "poor signal to noise ratio". Her case (or lack of a case, since she doesn't case) on Creature is simply bad.

That being said she's probably just tryhard town and hilariously wrong on GR. I have a hard time imagining scum being this obstinately wrong on a buddy. But at the moment I have an easier time seeing that than Creature!Scum.

Today being between Vax and GR is still fine. GR should go through first. While Vax is basically impossible to towncase because of his playstyle, he is still not quite certainly scum, unlike GR, who I daresay could not be scummier if she hardclaimed goon.

skimmed through this but it's actually awful

[Golden Robster]

but that reasoning ignores everything that transpired yesterday

you had gamma as locktown

[Golden Robster]

and that's ironic coming from someone that defended scum as well; you get a "get out of jail" free card because conf!town but if you were in my shoes you'd realise how frustrating it is

[Golden Robster]

all of my scum games are in 2016 and reading back I sound partially cringe on read-through; thanks man

but back to the main point I can respond to every point you make

[Golden Robster]

First, GR clearly has an inverted meta. What I mean by this is that GR's involvement is the opposite of that of a player like Creature. She tries very hard as scum, but as town she very often gets bored and replaces out. Now, in fairness, this level of GR involvement is something new regardless. But the first point to establish here is that you should NOT take high activity GR as being town indicative. Even if GR has replaced in after hundreds of posts have already been put out, GR will still be in the top posters for a game as scum. Whereas, GR hardly ever is in the top posters as town.

This inverted meta argument points to me being town (even though meta is awful); my involvement is based on my emotional investment into the game; if I'm doing great in a game I'll be more invested to actually post content vs. not being great and not doing anything

but as town she very often gets bored and replaces out

this is factually wrong and slightly offensive

Now, in fairness, this level of GR involvement is something new regardless

which derails everything you've just said about in terms of meta; tell me what year those games were in and tell me the date now

Even if GR has replaced in after hundreds of posts have already been put out, GR will still be in the top posters for a game as scum. Whereas, GR hardly ever is in the top posters as town.

factually wrong again; the two scum games I were in the first one I won because I lived to endgame so it makes sense that I was top poster

second scum game I was 5th?

[Golden Robster]

Here we have a VT GR read list. How is this different than the TPR list? Well, there's a simple explanation for each read. This is because GR knows that if her pushes are going to have merit there needs to be an explanation behind her reasoning. And she needs weight behind her pushes because she needs to find scum as town.

Now, what does GR do with lists as scum?

Spoiler:


Well what's the first thing you notice here? Well, there's more than one list! This is what I mean by active!town theater. GR is constantly throwing out full read lists as scum, making small edits, because she wants to showcase just how much she is trying to sort and her entire view of the game state.

lab rat mafia that I finished recently; these reads are literally the same as the ones I post here which point to me being town krazy

Town

:

Leaning Town

: UnrealSeal, Ircher

Semi-leaning Town

: Joral

Kind of town

: TE

Neutral/undecided

: N_M, PP, Espeonage, KK

Meh

: Hopkirk, Creature, Byron

Leaning Scum

: Performer,

Scum

:

Potential Lynches

: Byron, Hopkirk, Creature, Performer

Going to post my reasoning and explanations later.

Town

: UnrealSeal

Leaning Town

: Ircher, JJD
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Hopkirk

Kind of town

: Creature

Neutral/undecided

: Performer, Projectmatt

Meh

: PP, TE

Leaning Scum

:

Scum

: N_M

[Golden Robster]

will do more later

and yeah anka summarised it in 7428

picking out pieces that fit your argument and not looking at it objectively

[Golden Robster]

what about what transpired yesterday nullifies what parts of my reasoning, exactly?

d6*

counter-wagon to scum, gamma was first vote and pushed me non-stop all of d6?

[Golden Robster]

@GR, what made you change your KK read from town?

wavemode has a good point. Gamma Emerald should be taken off the lynch block.

No. I'm not going to let the game no-lynch.

Unless Gamma Emerald is absolutely terrible at playing mafia, he wouldn't let a friendly neighbor keep confirm towning himself around. I've got to VOTE: Golden Robster.

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: GOlden Robster

voting the counter-wagon because survivalism

Im flipping town so dont friggin make that mistake.

why do you sound so anxious

real quick krazy mylo and creature are town

wifom reads but i agree with them so if you flip scum ill reconsider

ank rubs me the wrong way not sure about sky or TBH. THe fact that JarJar and Wavemode are on goldenrobster makes me feel a little better about them.

???

[Golden Robster]

this is where I'm at right now

Town

- [GR, Wavemode]

Leaning Strong Town

- [Ankamius]

Leaning Town

- [Creature, Krazy, TBG]

Semi-leaning town

- [Mylo]

Semi-leaning scum

- [Skygazer, JJD]

Leaning scum

- [Vax]

[Golden Robster]

I think Krazy is working to hard to be scum as well

activity is nai but I agree that krazy is most likely (and sadly) town

[Golden Robster]

Creature how do you townread vax?

[Golden Robster]

he hasn't pushed ank; he keeps saying off-handedly that he wants anka but keeps his vote on me

once I flip, he'll 100% push anka who is my strongest TR

[Golden Robster]

vaxkiller has little, if not shitty interaction with gamma and texcat; at best the reasoning he gives for voting them are one-liners and he doesn't commit hard on them + mostly poe this late in the game

everybody else has interactions or evidence that point to them being town this game except vax and jjd

pedit: its always nice to hear good stuff from you krazy

[Golden Robster]

25p game should have 5 or 6 scum

we've had 5 town PR's dead so far + wavemode so 6 town PR's (all of them are roles are partially confirmable + vengeful + backup)

if I'm spot on with my poe JJD + vax makes the most sense

the fact that today has stalled onto two wagons makes me think that vax is indeed scum + his last posts truly do resemble someone trying to wifom

if he was town I feel like he would be trying 100% harder; krazy is doing the heavylifting for scumteam right now while they lay back

[Golden Robster]

and if I'm somehow wrong on those two then one of my townreads is probably mafia and I just suck

[Golden Robster]

I actually think the biggest evidence that points to vax being scum is in texcat ISO

1) Texcat constantly goes on and on about vax while voting mylo (which I TR mylo for); throughout the 103 posts that texcat made throughout the entirety of d1-d5 there isn't a single vote; not a single vote whatsoever for vax. THE most damning reason in terms of interactions between them not to mention vax has fewer than 2 posts that mention texcat. (look at reason 2)

2)

VOTE: texcat

I'll participate in this compromise I guess.

I think texcat likely avoids talking about his buddies

this isn't town vaxkiller hesitating; the only reason that he says the last line is to somehow act like he's somehow accountable and responsible for the lynch especially when we take into account that texcat was CFD; scumteam are probably startled and this fits the criteria

[Golden Robster]

3) whemestar towards the end of the day when he was CFD; he knows he's going to be lynched and tries to DISASSOCIATE from partners by saying that they are scum but look at the interesting part in final reads; see quotes below

He was counter-wagon until he claimed VT though. Wouldn't it be the scum move to claim a PR to avoid the lynch (Vaxkiller-style)?

Was gonna bring this up

Are we just ignoring vax now?

JarJar is prob scum

Can someone explain gammas vote

Townreads - Creature,

Dunn, golden robster, scioness sajj, Kublai

(?)
Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way

Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy,

gamma

,

PP, lalendra

the last posts that he has are DISCREDITING his partners by calling them out as scum and it fits the poe that we have with the remaining players left alive

whemestar did not seem one bit worried especially when he gave up; one of his partners bussed him for cred (which is likely) and the hail mary CFD's have pushed scum into a corner with at most 3 left, most likely 2

JJD + Vax are still alive

their scum

[Golden Robster]

the most likely narrative here is that we have two wagons (one is scum and one is town) that are dangling at L-1/L-2

the only way I'm wrong here is one of my leaning town reads is misplaced and scum are just open powerwolfing but the only person doing that is krazy right now (and I still think hes town)

[Golden Robster]

and JJD plopped his vote on me and magically disappeared

[Golden Robster]

i'll be super surprised if krazy is scum just because of how they've have been playing out this game so far; passively

they chose to kill PP a claimed VT in favor of PR's which clearly shows that the reads the previous day (d3) were in favor of scum or PP had solid reads or they were in a comfortable position to do so

[Golden Robster]

and then killing the non-confirmed PR instead of confirmed PR

it just feels like a player whose not powerwolfing because town are playing the game for them and that fits the narrative of vax (and JJD to some extent after lynching whemestar)

[Golden Robster]

anka pointed it out first that town (or the most vocal players) were probably just about wrong on who was town and scum

anka was the most important player in terms of lynching gamma and TBG cf'd texcat

it was ONLY after we re-evaluated our reads did we start lynching scum back to back d5 and d6

[Golden Robster]

Wavemode is still alive because he has no presence and until today, was shielding a scum that pocketed him

and wavemode has been pushing me constantly and anka said it perfectly, locktowned gamma who was scum

[Golden Robster]

and the fact that vax is like wishy-washy struggling right now basically says all that needs to be said

also once JJD comes here he'll start to discredit me and call me a lunatic

[Golden Robster]

there shouldn't be a townblock; every player should be scrutinised especially given how these past two scum lynches have happened

by CFD's

[Golden Robster]

aka by re-evaluating the lynch

[Golden Robster]

Maybe we should be lynching outside the 2 of us.

edit i typed this out then the above 4 posts happened

nice try; now you want to lynch someone else as soon as I town the fuck up and you see zero openings

[Golden Robster]

Wavemode is still alive because he has no presence and until today, was shielding a scum that pocketed him

take a look at this anka

vax is always town here, sorry to say

and Vaxkiller almost certainly town

Frozen Angel
Vaxkiller
Creature

JarJar

/Wavemode/

Tchill

/

Vax

this is hilarious because I would townblock with this group of people

vax having even less scum equity

what makes you think my TR of vax has anything to do with you?

[Golden Robster]

+ then add on the fact that wavemode had gamma as locktown for 6 days straight + had JJD and Vax as strong town for the majority of days

from scum point of view conf!town wavemode is a liability for town given hopkirk and flavor were NK'd over him which fits what you just said

[Golden Robster]

oooooh that's a spicy post by GR

preach it tbg

[Golden Robster]

[Golden Robster]

krazy its whispering to you

[Golden Robster]

postgame is going to be so funny; I'm going to have a laugh discussing it with you considering that I think we're both town

[Golden Robster]

Votecount 8.8

Vaxkiller(4)

~ Skygazer(13), Ankamius(94), Golden Robster(19), TehBrawlGuy(2)

Golden Robster(4)

~ Krazy(38), JarJarDrinks(6), Wavemode(4), Vaxkiller(24)


Not Voting (2): Creature(41), Myloninja13(14)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 8 deadline is in (expired on 2018-08-30 18:30:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Skygazer needs a prod. The last post was at: 8/25/2018 9:45:00 PM which was 2 days 11 hours 8 minutes 9 seconds ago.

FLAVOR

we have approx 2 and a half days left in deadline

we need 6 votes on vax; mylo + creature/wavemode to switch wagons in order to get a successful lynch on this or a CFD onto JJD

[Golden Robster]

If you're town you should be happy because I totally agree with your solve and will sheep your votes post-death.

It's what I did for Dunn and it basically got us to where we are today.

Either you're scum, or you're the new Dunn, either way you're the best lynch and I have no regrets.

never knew false dilemma was in your tunnelling book

pedit: ok now you're just being obtuse

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: JJD

[Golden Robster]

this game is killing my soul

@mylo are you actually blind? why would scum!gamma counter-wagon me when he had other viable players as wagons?

Spoiler:

vax,

dunn

, tbg,

creature

. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

lalendra

, jarjar, robster,

gamma

are players im very suspicious of based on individual play.

if you're not named your either town or null.

potential scum on wagon

bit curious if people are suspecting me based off my voting circumstances, if so how does "his claim and the referenced meta make no sense" not make sense? I saw a major inconsistency wrt his reactions between games so I pressed it

bit curious if people are suspecting me based off my voting circumstances, if so how does "his claim and the referenced meta make no sense" not make sense? I saw a major inconsistency wrt his reactions between games so I pressed it

you didn't seem really invested in that wagon and then you soft-defended whemestar by acting pro-town

Hi, no one has justified this Wheme wagon yet
Someone do so or I'll be all over that wagon on a wheme townflip

wheme has posted on site within the last half hour.

LE YAWN
I've known others who would inadvertently not post in a game where they were near lynch as town (Aristophanes in his team mafia game anyone?)
tell me how this case is scum-indicative?

wagon make-up doesn't really help
talk about what wheme has done, not other people

So, you got your Doctor PM. You saw the Innocent Child announcement. You saw some mason claims and you didn't scratch your head at the idea that town is over-powered?

Doc + masons + IC is overpowered? idr think so

you only started talking about meta after the wagon had ran up with a decent amount of votes

The wagon always had a ton of votes
and I didn't like the way it just seemed to always go to him, sorta the same logic that made me dislike the performer wagon
also I think you may have the timeline wrong, I never voted wheme until I noted the inconsistency

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

It is for Creature
and MU uses meta a lot and has significantly improved winrates to ms so I disagree with that

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

also this following the massive sample size is reading as a "nuh-uh you're wrong"

The wagon always had a ton of votes
and I didn't like the way it just seemed to always go to him, sorta the same logic that made me dislike the performer wagon
also I think you may have the timeline wrong, I never voted wheme until I noted the inconsistency

fair enough

what do you think about dun right now?

I already said what my thoughts on him have been throughout the game
could you give a small case on dunn? And I promise to actually pay attention for it.

Well it's a very easy to agree with stance, that's why it SHOULDN'T get a free pass. I don't SR mylo, in fact I think he's just barely on my townside, but I dislike foolish play.

mylo feels lynchbaity if anything

this is true
but that doesn't mean he should get a pass for a very easy gamestate analysis.

why do u disagree and why did you sheep tbg on texcat lynch?

I disagree because I don't see what's really scummy about it, like it's kinda dumb to suggest someone go against their own perspective like that but does dumb really equal scum in this case? As for tex, after someone mentioned their lack of content, I decided to do some meta, and from the meta I felt that the lack-of-content point was valid, along with noting just a general behavioral trend between this game and tex's scumgame I checked

not deflecting off main wagons

texcat is a main wagon you wingnut

gamma you're actually blind

TBG wagon was at L-2 and he hardclaimed; JJD gave intent to hammer

how is that not the main wagon?

Um I'm not sure about the exact number but you did see the tex wagon gained a considerable amount of votes right? I think that counts as a main wagon

VOTE: Golden Robster
I don't understand people backing off of this, why, because he gave up and self-voted? That's a pot of WiFoM and you know it.

go w this VOTE: Vaxkiller

Really dislike his last posts. Like he's trying to tell me to not join his wagon or else he's gonna join mine.

why jump off GR?

w/e none of what you're saying is making sense to me
I'd like everyone to tell me why what Krazy is saying about GR isn't a good reason to lynch GR if they think that

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

oh come on Gamma, you’re better than this

literally if I try and go onto any other wagon people are going to be shouting “survivalistic” and raising their pitchforks at me

that’s not a good enough reason and being consistently bad =/= being scum

I mean your little AtE WiFoM self-vote thing

[Golden Robster]

I floated at hard L-1 and the only thing that prevented my lynch was TBG CFD; I've been wagons for each and every other following day excluding JJD lynch

How does this correlate with me being scum?

[Golden Robster]

excluding KK lynch*

phoneposting

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: creature

[Golden Robster]

would give some sort of reasoning right now but at this point I want out of this game more then I want to continue playing

[Golden Robster]

it's more gut then anything substantial; I think everybody apart from him seems partially genuine right now

[Golden Robster]

and looking through his ISO, he hasn't done much in terms of solving the game rather then sheeping wagons

[Golden Robster]

I mean I say this but I called creature town yesterday so I'm being slightly hypocritical here

[Golden Robster]

this is where I'm at right now after yesterday

4. Golden Robster
5.

Krazy - most likely town

6.

Creature - potentially scum

14.

Skygazer - potentially scum

17.

Ankamius - most likely town

19.

TehBrawlGuy - most likely town

20.

Vaxkiller - potentially scum

23.

Myloninja13 - most likely town

there are at max 3 scum left; most likely 2 scum left and least likely one

[Creature +?] [Vax + ?] [Skygazer + ?]

[Golden Robster]

I was the first pusher on JJD

and you sheeped me

you were first to vote JJD; that doesn't mean I sheeped you when I actually presented a case and you literally said nothing

also how does this contribute to you being town; JJD flipped town

there should be zero merit in pushing a townie

[Golden Robster]

one of my scumreads is town; it's just a case of finding out who

this game should be solved once we sort out skygazer, vax and creature in succession

[Golden Robster]

@ankamius

what do you think about creature right now?

[Golden Robster]

God if 7 different town people didn't call Creature town I'd want to vote him right now

join me mylo

[Golden Robster]

joiiiiiiinnnnn meeeeeeeee

[Golden Robster]

this game has stagnated to the point that nobody has the willpower to do actual scumhunting apart from one-liners and votes

[Golden Robster]

sadly I went through creature ISO and saw some points that indicate that creature could potentially be town as well; mainly his votes for texcat and pushing for her lynch throughout the majority of d3

fuck it

VOTE: Vax

[Golden Robster]

my argument for Vax still stands from yesterday; it's just a matter of finding his partner and sorting out creature and skygazer

@ankamius vote this with me; it won't flip town

[Golden Robster]

Ahhh but why would Scum!GR go for Creature, when there's like no support for that wagon?

probably because I'm town but I went through creature ISO and saw conflicting content that could point either way

[Golden Robster]

Nothing much has changed with me

Creature + Vaxkiller

Outside chance of Krazy or Skygazer

lets goooooooooooo ankaaaaa

[Golden Robster]

That's such bullshit Krazy; don't even try and push that on me

1) You're referencing a scum game that happened about two years ago
2) The only reason I won that game as scum was because I played well; it was four player lylo and mario wasn't helping himself by acting suspicious therefore it made the most logical sense to push him since the other players were scumreading him as well
3)

She waits for 2-3 people to say someone they are willing to lynch
Then she just happens to agree with the position of the other players
GR started out this dayphase pushing Creature because she thought you, TBG, and Ank would get on board for a Creature mislynch.
TBG has been gone though, and you softened your stance on Creature, so eventually she shifted back over to Vax since that's the more likely lynch to go through. Why was GR on Creature today? Because you said you would be willing to mislynch him. Why did GR change to Vax? Because you didn't actually stick to what you said yesterday.

That example could be made for each and every other player here; reading through creature ISO and seeing content that points to him both being town and scum including the main point that pushing texcat all of d3 made me re-evaluate.

There is zero point in pushing a lynch that won't go through especially since it's counter-productive; town SHOULD be consolidating onto one lynch which the consensus is [Vax, Creature, Sky]

[Golden Robster]

(insert angry GR rebuttal)

[Golden Robster]

Ahhh fine

VOTE: Vax

Sorry Krazy but I really don't think GR has a higher chance of flipping scum here

where did this all go

[Golden Robster]

lets be clear that you are sheeping a conf!biased player on a read that you aren't entirely sure about since you are flip-flopping right now

why not consolidate onto vax if you're more sure about it?

[Golden Robster]

this game is killing my soul

@mylo are you actually blind? why would scum!gamma counter-wagon me when he had other viable players as wagons?

Spoiler:

vax,

dunn

, tbg,

creature

. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

lalendra

, jarjar, robster,

gamma

are players im very suspicious of based on individual play.

if you're not named your either town or null.

potential scum on wagon

bit curious if people are suspecting me based off my voting circumstances, if so how does "his claim and the referenced meta make no sense" not make sense? I saw a major inconsistency wrt his reactions between games so I pressed it

bit curious if people are suspecting me based off my voting circumstances, if so how does "his claim and the referenced meta make no sense" not make sense? I saw a major inconsistency wrt his reactions between games so I pressed it

you didn't seem really invested in that wagon and then you soft-defended whemestar by acting pro-town

Hi, no one has justified this Wheme wagon yet
Someone do so or I'll be all over that wagon on a wheme townflip

wheme has posted on site within the last half hour.

LE YAWN
I've known others who would inadvertently not post in a game where they were near lynch as town (Aristophanes in his team mafia game anyone?)
tell me how this case is scum-indicative?

wagon make-up doesn't really help
talk about what wheme has done, not other people

So, you got your Doctor PM. You saw the Innocent Child announcement. You saw some mason claims and you didn't scratch your head at the idea that town is over-powered?

Doc + masons + IC is overpowered? idr think so

you only started talking about meta after the wagon had ran up with a decent amount of votes

The wagon always had a ton of votes
and I didn't like the way it just seemed to always go to him, sorta the same logic that made me dislike the performer wagon
also I think you may have the timeline wrong, I never voted wheme until I noted the inconsistency

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

It is for Creature
and MU uses meta a lot and has significantly improved winrates to ms so I disagree with that

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

also this following the massive sample size is reading as a "nuh-uh you're wrong"

The wagon always had a ton of votes
and I didn't like the way it just seemed to always go to him, sorta the same logic that made me dislike the performer wagon
also I think you may have the timeline wrong, I never voted wheme until I noted the inconsistency

fair enough

what do you think about dun right now?

I already said what my thoughts on him have been throughout the game
could you give a small case on dunn? And I promise to actually pay attention for it.

Well it's a very easy to agree with stance, that's why it SHOULDN'T get a free pass. I don't SR mylo, in fact I think he's just barely on my townside, but I dislike foolish play.

mylo feels lynchbaity if anything

this is true
but that doesn't mean he should get a pass for a very easy gamestate analysis.

why do u disagree and why did you sheep tbg on texcat lynch?

I disagree because I don't see what's really scummy about it, like it's kinda dumb to suggest someone go against their own perspective like that but does dumb really equal scum in this case? As for tex, after someone mentioned their lack of content, I decided to do some meta, and from the meta I felt that the lack-of-content point was valid, along with noting just a general behavioral trend between this game and tex's scumgame I checked

not deflecting off main wagons

texcat is a main wagon you wingnut

gamma you're actually blind

TBG wagon was at L-2 and he hardclaimed; JJD gave intent to hammer

how is that not the main wagon?

Um I'm not sure about the exact number but you did see the tex wagon gained a considerable amount of votes right? I think that counts as a main wagon

VOTE: Golden Robster
I don't understand people backing off of this, why, because he gave up and self-voted? That's a pot of WiFoM and you know it.

go w this VOTE: Vaxkiller

Really dislike his last posts. Like he's trying to tell me to not join his wagon or else he's gonna join mine.

why jump off GR?

w/e none of what you're saying is making sense to me
I'd like everyone to tell me why what Krazy is saying about GR isn't a good reason to lynch GR if they think that

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

oh come on Gamma, you’re better than this

literally if I try and go onto any other wagon people are going to be shouting “survivalistic” and raising their pitchforks at me

that’s not a good enough reason and being consistently bad =/= being scum

I mean your little AtE WiFoM self-vote thing

[Golden Robster]

Krazy you're wrong; most of your points are based off NK's. If I was scum I would of 100% NK'd you instead of PP who was a claimed VT. I play scum methodically and always night kill the players that pose the biggest threat to me. The fact that I'm not scumreading you nor are you dead should be all the evidence I need for my argument that we're both town.

[Golden Robster]

You're worried about mislynching GR for loss, but that's not possible for two reasons. First, GR is scum so that won't be a mislynch. Second, scum had 3 prs and we have 0 investigatives, which basically means there is no way there is a traitor or a 6th goon or this setup would not have made it past review. Today is not mylo. But, if we lynch Vax now, there is a risk (not a certainty) that it will be, which means that if you are WRONG on Vax, you are putting your faith in me anyway, since I am not voting anyone other than GR until she is lynched. So if you aren't 100% on Vax, you should resolve me vs. GR today so that I can give more input on other wagons.

I have zero chance of flipping scum here because I KNOW THAT I'M TOWN; vax has a greater chance of flipping scum here because I DO NOT KNOW HE'S TOWN.

[Golden Robster]

We're not resolving me vs. krazy because I'm not scumreading you; this isn't some type of gladiator fight to the death. The consensus today is vax, creature and possibly skygazer (which I need to re-ISO) so you trying to turn this into some kind of krazy vs. GR day is stupid.

[Golden Robster]

Tchill, Wave, Flavor Leaf, Hopkirk... ALL of them said GR was scum.

all of these players are confirmed town and claimed PR's (excluding tchill)

how is night killing confirmed town = killing players that said GR was scum

lets be clear that these players were all CONF!TOWN so it makes logical sense for scum to NK them; you can't differentiate between whether they killed because their reads were good vs. killing conf!town/claimed PRS and then you need to take into account that these PR's had other reads as well which included vax and other players

pedit: yes anka please

[Golden Robster]

GR stop pretending like I've said anything about you. I'm trying to have a private conversation with Mylo here! Rude!

(Ok Mylo I wrote something else for you here)

Spoiler:

You're worried about mislynching GR for loss, but that's not possible for two reasons. First, GR is scum so that won't be a mislynch. Second, scum had 3 prs and we have 0 investigatives, which basically means there is no way there is a traitor or a 6th goon or this setup would not have made it past review. Today is not mylo. But, if we lynch Vax now, there is a risk (not a certainty) that it will be, which means that if you are WRONG on Vax, you are putting your faith in me anyway, since I am not voting anyone other than GR until she is lynched. So if you aren't 100% on Vax, you should resolve me vs. GR today so that I can give more input on other wagons.

It's also the case that GR is a very strong scum player at the top of her game in the situation that is most engaging for her. Lynching the scum carry is WAY more important than lynching GR's buddy here.

But you're right. This is a complicated game. So let's...



Now, you also should be asking yourself here, who were the strongest town players this game? Who should you be listening to?
Is it TBG? Ank? Me?

No. None of us got the most important scum flip, which was Wheme. The people who carried us this game were players like Flavor Leaf and Penguin Power.

GR was Flavor Leaf's #2 scumread when he died--and he was the first TPR to die, which suggests his death had something to do with his play. FL wanted GR way back on d2 2774 and his case was "whishy washy stances" 2778 -- Flavor Leaf died first, because Flavor Leaf was willing to call GR out on her constant flips on her reads. That "flip flopping" has gotten extremely worse since then. Remember, my case on GR is not based on meta. I use meta to highlight the similarity to her scum play and the difference from her town play. But in and of itself, just looking at this game, going through GR on Texcat or Creature--this is not a town progression. No one flips this many times on reads if they are town. NOT EVEN TCHILL is this inconsistent.

And Penguin Power also wanted GR gone in 2772, 2775

Remember, these were the two strongest town players -- stronger than me, TBG, or Ank -- and they were both nightkilled because of their play to some extent (with Flavor Leaf also being a TPR, but one among three claimed TPRs--and Penguin Power was killed OVER TPRs because of his play)

So instead of wondering "what if I throw the game by lynching Vax" -- first of all, this is impossible. And second of all, how do you survive the graveyard when EVERY MASON HAS SAID GR IS SCUM

Tchill, Wave, Flavor Leaf, Hopkirk... ALL of them said GR was scum.

READ THE OTHER STRONG PLAYERS. Read the people who ACTUALLY SOLVED THIS GAME.

GR will keep parroting Ank's argument that I'm confbiased, but remember, she doesn't need to make that argument to the masons, because she killed them.

Also remember you do not need to feel like you are simply "sheeping the dead" -- Flavor Leaf's case, that GR has been wishy washy this game and has reads that are incoherent and inconsistent from a town POV--has grown DRAMATICALLY stronger since Flavor Leaf was killed. ctrl+f "Creature" in GR's iso on pages 2 or 3... it is a MESS. This is not scum-hunting. This is tailoring your reads to the needs of the day's lynch. This is as close as GR gets to flailing.

Krazy this is your NKA argument; don't even pretend. The core of your argument is my texcat progression; I've said before that my texcat progression was based off of the fact that TBG and SS were both my biggest scumread at that present time and when they got de-wagoned and it flipped to texcat I thought it was scum-driven, not driven by town. Literally all of my biggest scumreads were flipping wagon and TBG CFD as well.

Creature progression is because I see points that point to him both being town and scum and lastly, the interactions between me and gamma are real and it's not fake distancing because by your logic there are two scum left. There is zero scenario (even if I was scum here) that I would entertain the idea of cross-bussing and I've been at hard L-1 fighting for multiple days (literally every day apart from KK lynch).

[Golden Robster]

I don't cross-buss; that game also emphasises my point since I didn't cross-bus and it was over two years ago. SS wasn't doing anything and highly scumread; it was the logical play in that game and I played well.

[Golden Robster]

I'm not parroting anybody's views; krazy thinks interacting with other players that I tr is parroting. You do not know how I play scum just because you read my scum games from two years ago. I'm town and playing this game as I would any other game; the fact that I'm not locked on my top read and tunnelling is because there are most likely AT LEAST two scum left. I've said from daystart repeatedly that I need to sort out creature, vax and skygazer and I've been thoroughly sticking with my top reads. What more do you want from me?

[Golden Robster]

and I'm not locked onto just one read because the main point is that I admit that I'm not playing well this game but that's the biggest reason that I'm also looking at my other TR's for their reads and partial guidance mainly anka and TBG

[Golden Robster]

(I too shall withdraw into my shell until other players speak their voice)

[Golden Robster]

gg

I played so awful it's unbelievable

[Golden Robster]

I need to improve my scumgame and I give permission for mafia PT to be released

thanks for modding ircher :3

[Golden Robster]

I might be complaining but I felt like four scum felt a bit small to be honest; maybe I'm just complaining but yeah.