Mini 567 - iPick - Game Over: The Stunning Conclusion

[Adel]

Public questions:
On a scale of 1-10, how bastardly do you want the game to be (10 = evil)?
4

On a scale of 1-10, how complex/unbalanced are you comfortable with roles being (10=lol)?
7

Rank these themes, in order from best to worst:
Things that don’t make sense
Historical Disfigurements
Authority Figures
Existentialism
Literary Characters
Pokemon, Digimon, & Harry Potter


Private questions:
On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being town and 10 being anti-town, where do you want to be? (note: there are only so many anti-town slots and I might have already made up my mind... the game is called iPick Razz)
1
On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being unable to speak, how comfortable would you be with having a role with a significant post restriction?
9
On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being uncommon, how comfortable would you be with having a role that is very uncommon/unconventional? 7
On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being bad, how likely are you to need replacement?
3?

[Adel]

vote: cicero

i dig the lynch him during day -1 thing. it would make this game a real pioneer. Also, we should lynch him

before

the mod finishes the setup, that would be another first. In fact, the earlier we lynch him the more balanced our mod's setup will be, so we should quicklynch him for the sake of the game.

11 players is the new 12.

Lynch cicero day -1!

[Adel]

Guardian

: if you are still designing the setup, how about you make cicero a lynchee and everone else a lyncher? Please. After our 13 post day 1, 10 of us will be winners. The 10 of us who are winners can go ahead and play a second game in this thread, while cicero finds another undereducated town that doesn't appreciate him they way he would like to be appreciated.

[Adel]

I always lie when I'm not mafia.

[Adel]

My favorite ABR game

[Adel]

you haven't read the game, obviously.

[Adel]

he lost the game for the town by leading it.

[Adel]

My favorite ABR game

I don't even have to read it. Mafia 471, in terms of lying townies, beats it hands down. ABR, rightly, had me nailed as GF. D3, Kravhen (completely of his own accord) claimed a watcher role that he didn't have and said he saw me go to the house of the guy who died. When the cop came out with an innocent on me, Kravhen changed to being a mason with ABR (completely fake) who

backs his claim

. In the space of a single day, 2 people made 3 fake claims (we ended up lynching somebody else anyway ftw)

In all seriousness, lynching someone pregame to be historic or to balance the setup is purely asinine. Unless we break the setup (which I doubt Guardian would allow, and has the capability to change so that it is no longer broken) were essentially just losing a townie and a player. Shame on Adel/Lawrencelot

unvote, vote:NabNab

he somehow knows that cicero is a townie. He must be scum who knows that cicero is not part of his faction. I can't believe he fell for my trap! Lets lynch him with haste!

[Adel]

i'm against massclaiming.

vote:xyzzy

for suggesting it.

[Adel]

you sir are not aware of the world you exist within. There easily could be a benefit for scum resulting from a massclaim, and are several reasons a scum player might suggest one.

[Adel]

I will vote: xtoxm and FoS: vollkan because

I believe

that it's scummier to agree with a not-necessarily well-thought-through plan than suggest it, because the one suggesting it might honestly think it is the best thing, while others can more easily see flaws with the plan.

full of truthiness

[Adel]

For the record, I'm inclined to agree that if we get stuck, deadlined, or deadlocked, a massclaim

could

be very beneficial. But I think part of it depends on how we play from here.

in the meantime:

Vote: Adel

for being against massclaiming and for posting her private answers publicly. Does

your

role make sense? (don't answer, it's just my newly adopted motto)

my role makes sense, but then I am a very lateral thinker.

unvote, vote: Paradoxombie

you suck at playing scum. Learn to build a better case; learn patience so that you can wait for real evidence next time.

[Adel]

Happy with my vote on Adel...

right, becuase opposing a massclaim on the first page of day 1 is a sure sign of scum...

How could I have been so dumb?

[Adel]

Interesting choice of words, Adel. Are you agreeing with Hasd or telling him he is full of crap?

I was agreeing with him. xyzzy is less scummy than xtoxm. By the same logic, Paradoxzombie is even more scummy than either of them for being the last to the party, and for being the most vocal recently.

[Adel]

nabnab: do you hear a VI typing? i think i do.

[Adel]

yep, I guess I was right

[Adel]

antivote: Xtoxm

[Adel]

xtoxm: do not claim

@everyone else: xtoxm isn't the lynch for today. move on.

[Adel]

I agree with vollkan.

[Adel]

It took me a while to get "antivote", too.

I know, it almost

doesn't make sense!

.

[Adel]

I suggest that

no other players

answer those questions before Paradox does.

[Adel]

I read the exchange over Xtoxm being a VI. He clearly did not know what he was doing back there - Adel demonstrated that pretty conclusively.

@Lawrencelot how does that give you scummy vibes?

[Adel]

... especially when that player is me ;)

[Adel]

vollkan: I was describing my behavior as summerized by the portion of your post that I quoted.

[Adel]

@ Adel: Do you think that massclaiming is likely to be a viable strategy at any time in this game? And would you support it?

Mass claiming will probably be viable on day 3, possibly on day 2 if a more than 2 players die tonight. The scum gain the advantage of knowing which targets are the most attractive and what kind of protective powers they are up against from a massclaim. By waiting we mitigate that gain for scum.

[Adel]

Ever hear of a "wall of words" scum defense? Does it apply here?

[Adel]

actually, I would be down with a mass role name claim, but I doubt it would end up doing much good.

low risk : low reward

I'm down for it. I suggest dice tags should determine every step of the claim order.

~~~

this is the BBCode we should use to determine the first person to claim their role name:

1. cicero
2. Adel
3. xyzzy
4. Rogueben
5. Lawrencelot
6. vollkan
7. hasdgfas
8. Xtoxm
9. Paradoxombie
10. NabakovNabakov
11. shaft.ed

[dice]1d11[/dice]
That number is the number of the person who claims.

[Adel]

[But the order is very important.

Indeed. What order would you like to see?

[Adel]

If rolename's are anything like mine there's no link that can be drawn to the actual role, and I thought it might out the scum by having useless claims.

What makes you think only role-names would be acceptable?

241 is where I lifted the idea from.

[Adel]

Xtoxm has already admitted his role has nothing to do with his name and I'm willing to admit the same.

I am so glad that I am voting for you right now.

[Adel]

Why are we claiming

anything

already?

The probably vain hope that scum would mess a claim up in a way that would indicate that they are scum.

[Adel]

Xtoxm has already admitted his role has nothing to do with his name and I'm willing to admit the same.

I am so glad that I am voting for you right now.

Why? And why did you say nothing when Xtoxm did the exact same thing?!

his came first. your soft claim fits with scum trying to get their "fitting in" roleclaim in early. Like if he claimed "Rooster" and you claimed "Crow".

[Adel]

I'm getting bored with the Paradoxombie wagon. Was that the plan? I either need more meat or another resturant to eat at. Ceasing to mix metaphores may help.

[Adel]

a mass rolename claim would've been better before hint started getting dropped.

unvote, vote:Xtoxm

for "trying" to help town figure out the scum.

[Adel]

Adel, I understand your want to actually play mafia and all, but could you wait until after the next votecount? By then we'll know if Lawrence or I have a double vote.

k.

unvote

pseudovote: Xtoxm

[Adel]

I'll answer this question if a majority of people wish me to do so.

don't answer it.

[Adel]

cicero: would you mind providing links to games where you were scum?

[Adel]

I am happy with Xtoxm's vote on Adel as well.

[Adel]

I think his "response" is going to be hanging by a tree limb, lynched.

unvote, vote:Xtoxm

[Adel]

Can we get a vote count first. I really wanna see if I'm a double voter, that'd make me so special.

unvote

hurry up!

[Adel]

I think Adel is a good lynch, guys.

i don't see it.

[Adel]

mind the third eye, son, it can burn you

[Adel]

I thought he was noobtown, being serious about Adel, then it appeared he was not, which makes him look more scummy.

I don't think you can have 925 game posts and still be considered a newbie.

[Adel]

I am Napolean's Dynamite and i'm a Doctor.

Volkan, what is your question?

do you have a power or ability in addition to being a doctor? I'm just asking for a "yes" or a "no", please do not be specific.

[Adel]

Stop rolefishing. I'll answer that if over half the people in the game want me too.

As if rolefishing is necessary to get you to claim.

[Adel]

He's got to have some kind of weird posting restriction/win condition. That's the only explanation I can think of.

that wouldn't make sense.

[Adel]

Also, Xtoxm, stop quadruple posting and start thinking about what you want to say before hitting submit.

I hope that nobody brings this up as an example of scum coaching jr. scum.

~~~

I was in Doctor Who- did you replace in after I was nk'd? What did you think of my play in that game? The entire point of my trick was to prove myself so "pro-town" that I would draw the doctor protection and be able to survive since I was effectively a non-investigation immune SK. Had cicero not been a death-doctor I would have been in good shape to make it to end-game.

[Adel]

u were quacked.

@mod: is it ok if I quote this line from Xtoxm in my sig line?

[Adel]

a more vauge restriction along the lines of "Be a quote magnet for semi-retarded preteens")

how did you guess my post restriction?

[Adel]

shaft.ed: if I follow your logic, then that means that Xtoxm should be the person lynched today. Did I miss something?

[Adel]

If I were scum in this game I think that I would enourage my partners to consider bussing me on day 1.

[Adel]

fuck it.

daykill: Xtoxm

any last words?

Were you really scum?

[Adel]

Adel why are you praying on the weak?

1. my new avatar seems to encourage my taste for destruction.
2. my role pm seems to indicate that if someone uses their daykill before me then I lose my ability. I think Xtomx made the common power-role mistake of mentioning his ability due to a desire for status and recognition. In case he has a daykill then I wanted to use my before he could use his. Regardless of alignment I didn't trust him to make a kill that would help the town win.

[Adel]

no doctor would claim that fast. ever.

[Adel]

Taking this off watched topics.

You don't even know if her daykill was real or fake...

What is OSV kill? 1-shot vig?

Anyway, even if Adel's kill was fake, I'm pretty sure Xtoxm is town. If it was real, we'll find out soon. Not that it matters, but I think the latter is more likely. The next question is: should we lynch Adel if Xtoxm is town? I'm not sure, I was a bit suspicious of Adel earlier, but I can understand her reasons for killing Xtoxm as town, although I don't agree with it. I also want to know how she jumped from not doc to dayvig as nabnab puts it, cuz it seemed she was right.

I'm good at identifying powerroles, I just usually don't get a chance to publically demonstrate my ability.

[Adel]

xtoxm the town-aligned vig would not fakeclaim doctor.

xtoxm the sk with a day kill might

xtoxm the mafia-aligned day-killing gun man might

xtoxm could also have some bizzare role which doesn't make sense.


note that xtoxm hasn't made any last min case against any other player, which is totally common for day-killed town-aligned players.

[Adel]

Lynch Adel.

No I wasn't scum.

I also had OSV kill.

doesn't count as a last moment case.

[Adel]

note that xtoxm hasn't made any last min case against any other player, which is totally common for day-killed town-aligned players.

other people were speculating on his alignment, so I joined in.

[Adel]

Adel is town. Fakevigging is a towntell. I'm pretty sure Xtoxm is town, now, too.

I agree with xyzzy.

[Adel]

Xyzzy...Adel scumbuddy pairing just went through the fucking roof for me.

me too. they seem far too chummy for my tastes.

[Adel]

I should point out that Lawrencelot played with me in Friends and Enimies where I owned as scum, and in Big Love where I was nk'd as a townie/lover night one, so he has seen me play as newbie-scum and briefly as near-newbie-town but I don't think he has seen me play under either alignment with my mature playstyle.

[Adel]

vote:Paradoxombie

[Adel]

like any predator he is chasing the weak prey.

[Adel]

do you really expect a claim to make sense?

[Adel]

Shaft.ed is a double-voter. I think we just hit twilight.

I don't have a good excuse for dropping the hammer. I didn't even know I was putting him at -1. I managed to miss both rougeben's vote as well as forget that shaft.ed had two votes.

[Adel]

1. bullshit massclaim posts, except for one that demonstrated that you have analytic ability. Early bullshit case against me.
2. chasing lurkers xyzzy and Xtoxm
3. chasing VI Xtoxm

[Adel]

do ou have power in addition to being some sort of doctor? A "yes" or a "no" will do.

[Adel]

wikipedia entry for his rolename:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Longbottom

how many lines is your role PM? which type of formatting is most common? how many paragraphs is your role divided into?

[Adel]

Hey, Adel, a request like that is really unethical and breaks the spirit of the game. Stop.

So did I lose my vote?

I agree, Adel please keep your argument with Seol to the MD.

*mutter mutter*

[Adel]

scum looking for a claim could easily misread 9.75 and pick a HP character name.

[Adel]

Xtoxm: did you catch that paradox claimed doctor? And a name from Harry Potter?

Please read his posts and quickly tell us what you think of his alignment! You'll be dead soon and you won't be allowed to post in the thread anymore!

[Adel]

So does he still know what he's doing paradox?

I don't know, but I'd expect him to act the way he is now either way.

Unvote, Vote: Adel

I don't like her habit of not explaining herself, and I don't like her tactics regarding Xtoxm. Not sure if she's scum, but I think she's scummy, and deadline nears.

what game have you played with me before?

[Adel]

switching to one of these three, whichever has the most votes.

Going back a bit, I really don't like this.

goodposting,

unvote: Paradoxombie

what did you learn from 488?

[Adel]

There is no chance that he has a post restriction. The entire subject could be a ruse to distract us. There is a deadline.

look at the number and variety of his posts?
Is his style consistent with other games? Past games?

Only if the answer to those questions are all definitive should there be another post on the subject. Period.

[Adel]

I'd answer it if only I could stop laughing so hard! It makes my fingers shake!

[Adel]

no I did not use a real daykill on you. spoilsport.

[Adel]

cicero has been prodded.

has cicero

ever

been prodded before? fos.

[Adel]

Adel why aren't you bandwagoning?

unvote

nothing came of that

good catch! I was with para-zombie, and to a lesser degree with Xtomxm, and I have allready pulled that on everyone else here, or at in front of them, at least once. People in this game (outside of para and xtoxm) know me well enough that I don't expect to learn much from pulling the same old shit, besides I was having a ton of fun daykilling xtoxm and showing him to be a VI with a very large post count.

[Adel]

You call me a VI but my personal record of figuring out who scum are has been pretty good, I like to think.

of all of the times you have been a doctor in your previous games, what percentage of the time did you protect scum?

[Adel]

Heh heh.

Also, I just realized something.

I think shaft is completely clear.

There's no such thing as scum double voter, is there?

there is no reason to think that there can't be, especially in this game.

[Adel]

that being said, that he publically figured out that he was the one with double vote is pretty townie... if I had that ability as scum I would figure it out in secret... actually if I had that power as town I would figure it out in secret... so nevermind.

[Adel]

volkan, nabnab and cicero are all typically verbose players in my experience. xyzzy isn't.

makes me wonder...

[Adel]

vote: Lawrencelot

this is the wagon I want to take to a lynch.

I am perfectly sincere in this.

I don't like the Brawl excuse, I don't like his interaction with hasddegas, and I don't like how easily he could be scum trying to bus Xtoxm and tie my fate to Xtoxm's.

para-zombie or Xtoxm would be his most likely scumpartners.

[Adel]

Paradoxombie is a bad lynch.

[Adel]

Actually I agree with that post. Xyzzy would be an informative lynch, and even though I don't think he is especiallyt scummy, I don't expect him to be especially helpful if he is scum.

Low risk; moderate reward.

unvote, vote:xyzzy

[Adel]

@shaft.ed: congrats onm winning in our other game. Why do you think that a rougeben is:
1. possible before deadline?
2. more likely to lynch scum than xyzzy or para-zombie?


It seems possible to me that you are scum trying to find an excuse to not be on a townie's lynch wagon.

[Adel]

@nabnab: shall we vote for rougeben? I will if you will.

[Adel]

nice double post, i think we are sharing a brian today.

unvote, vote: rougeben

[Adel]

it is.

[Adel]

I thought he had that name because he wears makeup.

unvote, vote: rogueben

thanks sweetie.

[Adel]

Is there a hammer in the room?

@ Xtoxm: what voting powers?

[Adel]

Is there a hammer in the room?

Don't we want a claim first?

Ding Ding Ding!

FoS Adel

and why didn't you FOS para-zombie for placing him at -1 to lynch without warning?


What claim would stop us from lynching him? Doctor? Cop? Lovestruck teen capitalist with delusions of happiness? Whatever... is there a jhammer in the room?

Fos

shaft.ed for fosing me and not para-zombie. The contradiction is clear.

[Adel]

The more I think about it the less I like Adel's play...

If I had a nickel for everytime someone typed that...


I'm not going to be around. There should be no excuse for no lynch occurring. I'm sticking to RB for the lynch.

[Adel]

re-enforced FoS

on shaft.ed

were you playing tricks omn the town to get an "accidental" hammer?

[Adel]

I loathe "accidental" hammers.

[Adel]

I'm not sure at all. I would make a similar plea in this game if I were facing a lynch as scum.

He is Link and a vig, and Saft.ed vouches for him despite the strong possibility of bastard-mod information... and that is assuming the shaft.ed is even telling the truth.

~~~

I hate "accidental" hammers because the absolve players from responsibility. The is a whole lot of scummy behavior surrounding tat wagon, wich is the major reason that I suspect RB is town.

[Adel]

is it possible that shaft.ed doesn't really have two votes? Could the TV have lied to us?

[Adel]

It's the (out of character) tag.

Vote count 12 was the final day 1 vote count.

No votes (or unvotes) will be counted until tomorrow

.

Not sure if I understand this correctly but

unvote

vote:Adel

FoS vollkan

for no posting

i really hope you don't still have two votes tomorrow.

[Adel]

vote: Paradoxombie

for acting like scum since the break of dawn.

[Adel]

which literate person hacked into Xtoxm's account and started posting in this thread?

[Adel]

I keep on expecting to see a deathscene or something.

mod: votecount please?

[Adel]

Rogueben, I think you're blocked by shaft.ed. Can you elaborate on why you tried to kill paradoxombie? And who do you think killed nabnab?

I tried to kill Para because I thought, and still think he is the most likely to be scum. I have no idea who killed NabNab, he was playing pretty strong, I guess that many scum players would have been worried about him.

did you see a real difference between his play and vollkan's? I had them in the same category.

[Adel]

Specifically I'd like to know how my first 4 posts today were scum-like.

[Adel]

Paradoxombie
Why am I a confirmed town
Nibbler's breathe is sweet

because I protected you last night, and I would be dead if you were scum.

Boy that sounds like it could be a scum role also. Mafia doctor who has to protect a townie? It's possible. I'm not saying it's the likeliest possibility, but in this game I could believe it.

Also, why would you come out with your result immediately upon the beginning of the day? Isn't that one of those things that you'd keep quiet about until he came under suspicion?

Because I am already under suspicion, in addition to being a claimed doctor, and i already have been targeted for a kill by someone who was only blocked by accident and MUST kill again tonight. And even if I'm not killed for any of those things I also die if I target scum. That's more than enough reasons for me.

at lynch-3 while other players are figuring out the voting mechanic does not count as pressure.

Why didn't you announce who you were targeting

before the night scene

? With the number of doctors in this game, your death+someone else's protection of you would be just as good for us as a proven "guilty" on someone.

[Adel]

Oh how interesting. That'll be fun to try to remember all day. Please

try to remind me so I don't accidentally lynch

someone.

unvote

fos

[Adel]

I can't think of anything more anti-town than being the hammer on an "accidental" lynch.

[Adel]

Adel's silence is
troubling don't like her play
Nibbler has soft hands

unvote, vote: Adel

did you forget that you were allready voting for me?

[Adel]

Adel's silence is
troubling don't like her play
Nibbler has soft hands

unvote, vote: Adel

also, am I posting more in my other games or something? what is troubling about my silence?

[Adel]

I can't think of anything more anti-town than being the hammer on an "accidental" lynch.

Your vote is misplaced
We had one the day before
Nibbler has keen eyes

this was a question? anti-town does not=scummy, but setting up an excuse for a later "accidental" may be.

What am I missing?

[Adel]

and is that the basis for your vote on me?

[Adel]

I'd post a coherent sentence over the first two lines...

[Adel]

you just did it well
also proving I am right.
more Nibbler bullshit.

[Adel]

thanks to NabNab, I
was confused day one as well
Nibbler eats sausage

[Adel]

rereading end of day 1... will post soon

[Adel]

Bah final moments stop the insanity!

1) Sorry for the slip up on RogueBen, that was my fault.
2) Adel should have pointed out my error
3) Vollkan and cicero feel funny to me. Don't know what it is
4) I have an incling that Xtoxm is town.
5) Watch out for NabNab
6) I think I may be NK'd for the double vote
7) I am not Link

for some reason I remembered thinking that NabNab was the one that threw everyone else off. I should not have taken your word for it when you said that RB was -2 to lynch instead of -1. Do to the confusion I didn't think lawrencealot's hammer was scummy. I haven't voted for lawrencealot because I don't think he is scum.

[Adel]

Does anybody
out there understand my point?
Nibbler has cool hair

is your point that there is a contradiction between my voting record and me saying that I think hagdadrff has no excuse for forgetting that he has two votes and "accidently" hammering someone today?

It was hadgfas asking us to remind him that made me fos him. It seems to me like he could be trying to set up an out for himself (like "I told you guys to remind me!") for hammering a townie today.

[Adel]

@shaft.ed: which players do you think have been lurking since the beginning of this day?

[Adel]

now that I've made a fuss over it, I am sure that you won't.

[Adel]

wtf! I go out of my way to ensure that we don't get another "accidental" lynch, and you vote me for it.

Something here doesn't make much sense to me.

[Adel]

"so I felt you were a safe target no matter what your

alignment

"

please explain this a little more.

[Adel]

I don't think hasdgfas is the play for today.

[Adel]

whatever dude. I wasn't attacking hasdfwer when you made this post:

I think Adel's reasons for suspecting hasdfgas are opportunistic and insincere.

Vote: Adel

.

Only problem is, that I'm not sure if hasdfgas is town (but if he isn't I could see Adel's behaviour as bussing), and Adel is posting much more than others. But she does give me scummy vibes anyway.

as I explained earlier, but your vote is still on me.

Now you are questioning whhy I don't suspect hasdfasdf, and your vote is still on me.

Why is your vote on me?

RB made a claim I do not buy, and his early posts in this day are probably scummy enough in isolation for me to support his lynch.

hasdfgerw is not the play for today because RB is.

[Adel]

crap, I got para-zombie and rb mixed up in my last post.

[Adel]

crap, I got para-zombie and rb mixed up in my last post.

Now I'm confused. You didn't believe RB's claim I thought, but you mean in your last post that you don't believe para's claim right? And you think Para is the play for today. Why is para the play? And I also need to know: do you believe RB's claim yes or no? Your reaction to RB's claim was also one of the reasons why I think you're scum.

I need to reread and actually keep my notes this time. Somehow PB and para-zombie became one player in my mind, and now I'm not sure which is which...

unvote

[Adel]

could someone who is paying close attention to this game post a crib sheet of the claimed roles, names, and night actions? Otherwise I'm not going to have much to contribute until this weekend, and even then I may be going out of town.

[Adel]

I don't need a crib sheet to see that only 1 out of cicero's last 50+ posts on this site has been on this page. He has the time to post

everywhere

else besides here...

vote:cicero

[Adel]

Adel, I'll try it from the top off my head:
xyzzy: triforce of wisdom, mistery role. Targeted shaft.ed last night, probably gave him PR.
para: neville longbottom, sort of doctor. dunno if he said who he protected.
xtoxm: (napoleon?) dynamite, doctor and osv. Killed vollkan.
Lawrencelot: one-shot governor. Used D1 on Rogueben.
Rogueben: Link, forced vig. Targeted... Para, right?

does anyone concur with this list?

[Adel]

he did claim triforce... safeclaim? shaft.ed, what is your opinion on it?

[Adel]

Adel, I'll try it from the top off my head:
xyzzy: triforce of wisdom, mistery role. Targeted shaft.ed last night, probably gave him PR.
para: neville longbottom, sort of doctor. dunno if he said who he protected.
xtoxm: (napoleon?) dynamite, doctor and osv. Killed vollkan.
Lawrencelot: one-shot governor. Used D1 on Rogueben.
Rogueben: Link, forced vig. Targeted... Para, right?

does anyone concur with this list?

anyone?

[Adel]

can you post list of
the post numbers as haiku?
Nibbler feltches well.

[Adel]

could scum have the ability to give two players post restrictions?

"Why did Para reveal his protect?" -- in support of his fakeclaim?

unvote, vote:Paradoxombie

I do not buy para-zombie being a doctor.

[Adel]

claimtable

xyzzy: triforce of wisdom, mistery role. Targeted shaft.ed last night, probably gave him PR.
para: neville longbottom, sort of doctor. protected shaft.ed
xtoxm: (napoleon?) dynamite, doctor and osv. Killed vollkan.
Lawrencelot: one-shot governor. Used D1 on Rogueben.
Rogueben: Link, forced vig. Targeted... Para, right?[/quote]

can anyone spot a mistake or omission?

[Adel]

claimtable

xyzzy: triforce of wisdom, mistery role. Targeted shaft.ed last night, probably gave him PR.
para: neville longbottom, sort of doctor. protected shaft.ed
xtoxm: (napoleon?) dynamite, doctor and osv. Killed vollkan.
Lawrencelot: one-shot governor. Used D1 on Rogueben.
Rogueben: Link, forced vig. Targeted... Para[/quote]

shafted: triforce of some kind, targeted Rougeben

can anyone spot a mistake or omission?

[Adel]

he did claim triforce... safeclaim? shaft.ed, what is your opinion on it?

I no longer get
why xyzzy wanted massclaim
Nibbler runs quite fast

xyzzy, why push for
a massclaim without target?
Nibbler reads real fast

I do not get your
motivation for massclaim
Nibbler has huge arms

Because having a triforce role lets me confirm 3 people, including link.

and there is no way one of those three would be a safeclaim, no way at all.

[Adel]

why on earth would a town-aligned shaft.ed reveal that? that is exactly the kind of information I sit on so I can catch scum.

[Adel]

@cicero: what exactly is your post restriction? which posts broke that rule?

unvote, vote:cicero

[Adel]

... or I'm playing on a level you aren't familar with. regardless, I would really like cicero to answer my questions.

[Adel]

Para why should we
not lynch you today discuss
Nibbler has tone abs

because he has a chance to shamelessly jump on and push my bandwagon.

...

there are too many post restrictions in this game right now. I think one is fake. cicero's seems so much easier than shaft.ed's

...

shaft.ed: if you are allowed to use the same last line over and over again, and you are worried about ketting modkilled for it, why haven't you repeated the same last line over and over and over again since the start of this day?

[Adel]

but you have repeated a couple now more than once.

[Adel]

I am one warning
Away from death very close
Nibbler has cute ears

in that case, why would you

risk

repeating the same line more than once?

[Adel]

Well, I don't like how she is so intent on knowing the claims while being so against claiming herself. She's also not reading carefully.

I don't like her actions regarding Xtoxm, tricking him into a claim then soon after criticizing me for suspecting him, calling him a VI. Today she has recognized him as somewhat intelligent. I think her attacks on me have been more opportunistic than mine on Xtoxm.

Or I'm engaging in aggressive scumhunting, trying to trap scum in a fakeclaim.

I'm wondering how on earth you could possible quantify "opportunistic" to make your statement accurate. Care to try?

[Adel]

I think Adel needs to claim at this point.

doctor with additional information... I am a harry potter character.

[Adel]

Lord Voldermort.

(sucks to be me right now)

[Adel]

I know something that helps me identify who a real doctor is, which infers that there is another doctor. There is also a twist to my ability that would make me far less effective if the scum were to know it.

[Adel]

cicero

[Adel]

why not one of the
claimed docs?

what part of my claim sounds like an elaborate hoax?

I have a rotten role name, an improbable role (with two doctors claimed already) and I targeted a less likely target.

[Adel]

... unless I kill any doctor I target.

[Adel]

fucker. was there some other way I could have avoided this lynch?

[Adel]

his first few posts were scummy as hell, and I'm still skeptical of there being three doctors.

if you are scum against me again this time shaft.ed, I salute you.

if para is really a doctor, and I targeted him, he would've died.

[Adel]

if forced to choose I would totally pick para over xtoxm. frankly I need to do a re-read (I can't even remember why I'm voting for cicero), but moorcheba is playing tonight in san diego, and I need to go...

[Adel]

I believe Adel. So that means para is lying.

vote: para

Adel didn't target me last night.


I'm taking note of this:

scum looking for a claim could easily misread 9.75 and pick a HP character name.

Adel, why did you cast suspicion at me for my name like this if you had an HP one yourself?

to add stress to your life. i believe distressed scum are more liable to make mistakes.

[Adel]

fucker. was there some other way I could have avoided this lynch?

What was this about?
Why the sudden change of heart?
Nibbler has cute toes

I didn't want to announce that I can't protect another doctor. I felt rather forced into it by you. The two times I was a doctor before this I got lynched, so I feel like the doctor role in my achilles heel, and I'm bound to mess it up.

[Adel]

with two claimed doctors I flet my % chance of hitting a unclaimed doctor was slim to none, even if the chance of preventing a NK was only slight. Very small risk with a small chance of a big reward.

[Adel]

Rogueben, I think you're blocked by shaft.ed. Can you elaborate on why you tried to kill paradoxombie? And who do you think killed nabnab?

I tried to kill Para because I thought, and still think he is the most likely to be scum. I have no idea who killed NabNab, he was playing pretty strong, I guess that many scum players would have been worried about him.

once I finally decide what to make of this post, I will either voe for RB or Para.

[Adel]

There is also a twist to my ability that would make me far less effective if the scum were to know it.

Is this refering to how you kill other doctors? If so, why does it make you less effective now that scum know?

unvote, vote:Paradoxombie

[Adel]

unvote

I just had an epiphany: There really are three doctors.

I know that Guardian read enough of my mini-normal to get a kick out of the fact that I included two nurses and no doctor, and by writing the role pm carefully I avoided bad-bastard moddery.

I think he easily could have included three doctors and included some mechanism into each of our, or two of our, role PMs to prevent a self-protecting doctor circuit.

I think he also could have given a hint to the scum that they were in a town full of doctors.

Plus having three doctors doesn't make sense.

No wonder he is so smug.

shaft.ed is pretty focused on lynching a doctor today, and I totally feel like he pushed me for details in an anti-town way.

vote:shaft.ed

and I'll go ahead and ID the link between RB and shaft.ed

I am willing to compromise on a RB lynch if necessary.

vote: shaft.ed

[Adel]

how on earth could you not realize the ramifications of scum knowing that is beyond me.

[Adel]

anyone else online?

[Adel]

players I am willing to lynch:

RB
xyzzy
Lawrencelot
cicero

[Adel]

I can't think of any reason for him to not be there.


I guess the cow could be in there as well.

are going to lynch anyone?

[Adel]

~3 min left!

[Adel]

min I believe.

xyzzy is on both of our lists, so

unvote, vote:xyzzy

[Adel]

yes if either cow or cicero join us, or two other players

[Adel]

his name on the list was implied, his lynch didn't seem possible.

shaft.ed defense is that if he advocates something scummy it doesn't make him scummy because he only does pro-town stuff as scum? did I get that right? so the only valid attack that can be made on shaft.ed when he is scum is the "too townie" attack?

[Adel]

How many times have you and Adel been scum together?

Played to endgame in
House, she modded me Nightmare
Nibbler has nice eyes

obviously I can't comment on an on-going game, especially one where I am the mod.

I don't see much difference between shaft.ed in this game and the shaft.ed in house.

[Adel]

players I am willing to lynch:

RB
xyzzy

Lawrencelot

cicero

Why is a confirmed
OSG on your lynch list?
Nibbler has nice eyes

how can that role confirm alignment, especially in this game?

[Adel]

fucker. was there some other way I could have avoided this lynch?

This sounds much more like
words of scum that have been caught
Nibbler has nice eyes

or a doctor, forced to claim, and forced to expose the twist that prevents me from protecting other doctors.

[Adel]

Well he used it yesterday to save RB I think that pretty much clears him.

how does that clear him?
regardless of RB's alignment, I don't see how that can clear him.

[Adel]

Adel what does not
make sense about your own role
Nibbler has tone abs

I ask this again
Adel please answer this time
Nibbler has nice ass

I'd guess my role name (lord voldermont) being pro-town. or him being a doctor, but I'm not familiar with HP.

[Adel]

fucker. was there some other way I could have avoided this lynch?

This sounds much more like
words of scum that have been caught
Nibbler has nice eyes

or a doctor, forced to claim, and forced to expose the twist that prevents me from protecting other doctors.

Other Doctors that
you wanted to lynch post claim
Nibbler has nice eyes

please rephrase, I don't understand this.

[Adel]

why not one of the
claimed docs?

what part of my claim sounds like an elaborate hoax?

I have a rotten role name, an improbable role (with two doctors claimed already) and I targeted a less likely target.

I just had an epiphany: There really are three doctors.

I know that Guardian read enough of my mini-normal to get a kick out of the fact that I included two nurses and no doctor, and by writing the role pm carefully I avoided bad-bastard moddery.

I think he easily could have included three doctors and included some mechanism into each of our, or two of our, role PMs to prevent a self-protecting doctor circuit.

I think he also could have given a hint to the scum that they were in a town full of doctors.

I've never questioned
If you are a real Doctor
Nibbler has nice eyes

wtf? you think I am a doctor but you still want to lynch me?

[Adel]

fucker. was there some other way I could have avoided this lynch?

This sounds much more like
words of scum that have been caught
Nibbler has nice eyes

or a doctor, forced to claim, and forced to expose the twist that prevents me from protecting other doctors.

Other Doctors that
you wanted to lynch post claim
Nibbler has nice eyes

please rephrase, I don't understand this.

You wanted para
lynch after his claim yes'day
Nibbler has nice teeth

that was after xtoxm's claim, which I bought. I was highly suspicious of there being two doctors in addition to me.

[Adel]

why not one of the
claimed docs?

what part of my claim sounds like an elaborate hoax?

I have a rotten role name, an improbable role (with two doctors claimed already) and I targeted a less likely target.

I just had an epiphany: There really are three doctors.

I know that Guardian read enough of my mini-normal to get a kick out of the fact that I included two nurses and no doctor, and by writing the role pm carefully I avoided bad-bastard moddery.

I think he easily could have included three doctors and included some mechanism into each of our, or two of our, role PMs to prevent a self-protecting doctor circuit.

I think he also could have given a hint to the scum that they were in a town full of doctors.

I've never questioned
If you are a real Doctor
Nibbler has nice eyes

wtf? you think I am a doctor but you still want to lynch me?

I think you're lying
Your target makes no sense right?
Nibbler has nice eyes

so why would you state that you've never questioned if I am a real doctor?

what is your angle here?

[Adel]

why not one of the
claimed docs?

what part of my claim sounds like an elaborate hoax?

I have a rotten role name, an improbable role (with two doctors claimed already) and I targeted a less likely target.

I just had an epiphany: There really are three doctors.

I know that Guardian read enough of my mini-normal to get a kick out of the fact that I included two nurses and no doctor, and by writing the role pm carefully I avoided bad-bastard moddery.

I think he easily could have included three doctors and included some mechanism into each of our, or two of our, role PMs to prevent a self-protecting doctor circuit.

I think he also could have given a hint to the scum that they were in a town full of doctors.

I've never questioned
If you are a real Doctor
Nibbler has nice eyes

wtf? you think I am a doctor but you still want to lynch me?

I think you're lying
Your target makes no sense right?
Nibbler has nice eyes

My point is you're not
addressing what I asked you
Nibbler has nice ears

dude, if I targeted a real doctor he would die. killing doctors ain't my thing, and if I was tracked or watched during a night phase killing a real doctor that would lead to my lynch the next day giving the scum two dead doctors for the price of one.

my goal in playing doctor is to avoid the nk by not being too townie, but not being scummy enough to be forced to claim. if you hand't been riding me so hard there is no way I would've had to claim today.

[Adel]

Adel what does not
make sense about your own role
Nibbler has tone abs

I ask this again
Adel please answer this time
Nibbler has nice ass

I'd guess my role name (lord voldermont) being pro-town. or him being a doctor, but I'm not familiar with HP.

I hate using role
PM's but this means you're scum
Nibbler has nice eyes

how does that mean I'm scum?

[Adel]

with two claimed doctors I flet my % chance of hitting a unclaimed doctor was slim to none, even if the chance of preventing a NK was only slight. Very small risk with a small chance of a big reward.

why not target me,
xyzzy, RB, Larry, tom?
Nibbler has nice hair

If you kill real Docs
you should target a not-Doc
Nibbler has cute ears

I see now I have
tom and me listed should not
Nibbler has nice eyes

so I should've targeted Law or RB? true. I see that I probably should've. I wasn't worried about there being another unclaimed doctor out there at the time.

[Adel]

you want to lynch me for a claim that makes no sense? really?

[Adel]

under the perception of intense time pressure I typed out a list of names I was not opposed to lynching. law happened to be on that list. not the same as advocating.

[Adel]

with me alive the scum's chances of hitting a unprotected player are much slimmer, and the ability of one of our investigative roles to catch the scum are increased.

[Adel]

Although, i'm getting gradually less confident in an Adel lynch.

And yes, I can see a townie making the "Was there any way to avoid this comment". But she does have a reputation.

which includes getting lynched by players who have it out for me when I am a doctor. so far i'm 0-2 (or is 0-3?) for getting through to the third day as a doctor without getting lynched. how many times have I claimed doctor when I was scum? zero.

[Adel]

I'm starting to think I should've lied about either my role or who I targeted.

[Adel]

I should probably point out that I could've gotten you lynched today. If I weren't scared of you really being a doctor your early posts in this day were totally scummy enough for your lynch to go through. I am really good at getting my guy lynched.

[Adel]

hmmm, no. I was pointing out that I abandoned your wagon, at risk to my self, because I lost faith in you being scum. I didn't abandon your wagon because I couldn't carry it through to a lynch.

[Adel]

fyi:
I don't think Law will get a chance to vote... from previous games his UK zimezone typically kept him from posting until about four hours from now, at least.

[Adel]

zz may just be trying to ride out the wagon, expecting that he won't get lynched in time.

[Adel]

zz's last post on mafiascum.net was ~18 hours ago

[Adel]

there is the possibility that a PR could be a side effect of my protection, but my role PM doesn't suggest like that.

[Adel]

Probably cos he's scum, lynched scum has no reason to talk in twilight.

Yes I am starting
to think I may have been wrong
Nibbler has nice eyes

thank you at least for that. I was starting to think you were impossably bull-headed.

[Adel]

I protected shafted last night.

I will not self vote.

if the nibbler post restriction still in effect?

[Adel]

I think Shaft.ed should direct the claims.

[Adel]

I'm looking for a Para breadcrumb, but I am not seeing it. Could that mean he targeted someone he totally thought was pro-town? Is there an alternate explanation for why we have two corpses?

[Adel]

I don't know if you're scum. I also don't know Kison is scum. All I got is Adel

Your logic looks good, but if the one is a frame that doesn't necessarily mean the other one's a frame. And if it's the mafia who chooses the way of killing, there's also WIFOM. A normal frame makes someone look guilty to cops btw, so I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.

we are at lynch or lose, right?

[Adel]

But if everyone wants me not to vote Adel, I'll wait for the claim.

I think you are bluffing, and focusing attention on me. why?

[Adel]

Oh yeh...Could give him a cop out.

based upon your performence in Pickling Simplicity (congrats on the win), I am starting to suspect that you play dumb for tactical advantage

is that true?

[Adel]

Adel would you like to clarfiy anything with last night's target before Lawrence speaks?

I didn't target him, and as far as I know I wasn't roleblocked or otherwise effected by a role.

[Adel]

vote: Adel

I seem to be such an easy target for a mislynch, I may as well take on Guardian's wrath as well.

[Adel]

vote: Adel

I seem to be such an easy target for a mislynch, I may as well take on Guardian's wrath as well.

Thanks for doing that Adel. I hope you know if you die town wins regardless of your alignment. Care to tell us who your scumbuddy is now?


Nibbler has nice eyes.

I totally don't see how if I die the town wins.

If I had a scumbuddy, I couldn't wish for a better one than you shaft.ed!

[Adel]

I am convinced that at least one "confirmed person" shouldn't be, probably two. Which ones?

[Adel]

thanks!

unvote

[Adel]

well it looks like I am an easier lynch now.