Mini 530: Guitar Hero Mafia: It's Finally Over

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #234 (isolation #0) » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:26 pm

Does putting someone at L-1 count as jumpstarting? I hope so.

My initial thoughts: The wagon on chaosomega was based on nothing, but I don't think the counterwagon on d3sisted is so baseless. CO's 128, I think, is pretty solid evidence that d3 has, at the very least, been inattentive, and at worst, been opportunistic.

I feel even better about this after the counterwagon on natude, which seems to be mostly based on lurking, when clearly about half the game was lurking. That feels to me like some scum driving a counterwagon to save their buddy. Factor in a two-month day 1, and I will

unvote, vote d3sisted.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #257 (isolation #1) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:09 pm

Hmm. I hate almost lynched replacements, because then I have to decide how much the replacement ought be penalized for the play of the first player. The case on d3sisted wasn't all

that

strong, I suppose I can let her go for now.

Unvote

for now, hopefully we'll get more replacements and go from there.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #266 (isolation #2) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:06 pm

perfect, too, would be good. Although he probably just needs a replacement.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #278 (isolation #3) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:24 am

On a reread, I'm not sure I've ever seen a game with so little content in 12 pages. I think my vote will stay on SM for now, because of d3sisted's play. Particularly I don't like his seeming inattention to detail and vote switching, like he's trying to find any bandwagon that will stick.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #294 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:07 am

I suppose based on SM's play that DG is more scummy than she is. I'm not completely sold that she's scum, but, well, I'm not sold that she's not scum, y'know? Plus saves us the trouble of getting a replacement.

Unvote, vote deliciousgoldfish.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #313 (isolation #5) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:08 pm

I don't support the bandwagon on SM. WIFOM, WIFOM, but she could have tried to start a bandwagon on someone else, and while d3sisted's play was lazy and inattentive, it wasn't all

that

scummy, while SM's play has been quite good, including starting a bandwagon on scum.

That said, I don't really understand the backlash on Haschel. I don't particularly agree with his case, but its not terrible by any means, and he too was fairly heavily involved on the DG lynch.

I will, however,

vote Gorrad

. He jumped on the DG bandwagon right after I did, not so early to have really started it. Plus he's bringing up the jester speculation, which can only be distracting. I took d3sisted's jester claim as a joke. Its pretty clear that SM is not jester, because it would have been pretty easy for her to get herself lynched yesterday.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #328 (isolation #6) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:02 pm

I support what hasdfgax says. The "GJ" is a small scumtell, and its also very strange that Day 1, you ultimately conclude "not a jester," and then day 2, what do you do? Bring it up again!

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #338 (isolation #7) » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:44 am

[quote="hasdfgas] So? I had a good reason for going to Natude. Just because DG did the same thing doesn't mean anything. I always find it scummy when people show up and post "Hi I'm here but don't see anything. Bye." [/quote]

I support this statement. I'm not going to go so far to say that scum wouldn't follow the votes of their partner, but I don't think its a big tell for one scum and another player to have voted the same. And I, too, find "I don't see anything" statements suspect.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #346 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:36 pm

So, assuming there are three, you've figured out all the mafia by Day 2, gorrad? That's remarkably certain of you.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #348 (isolation #9) » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:53 pm

Well, unless we have a vig firing into the crowd, there's probably an SK, but it seems improbably that there is more than 1/3 scum. I'd be less surprised if there were only two mafia than if there were four. Because that's a lot of scum.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #367 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:19 am

I don't support this lynch. She could have pushed a mislynch on anyone, and she chose dg. Is the argument that she expected to be lynched anyway, and that she would protect dg? That seems like a stretch to me. And if that's not, I really don't see the case.

I mean, look at the first two votes. We have gorrad say, "d3sisted was an idiot," and haschel say "they were distancing." Those two viewpoints don't seem very compatible to me.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #373 (isolation #11) » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:30 am

Its in the hardest section of guitar hero, like psychobilly freakout? And the pro-town songs have not been?

Ah, no. Godzilla is from Guitar Hero I. Everything else revealed is from Guitar Hero II. I can confirm that's not a scumtell. But the song difficulty may be.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #382 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:09 pm

Gorrad: "SM just made a good point."

CO: "No she didn't."

Gorrad: "I mean no she didn't."

Confirm vote: Gorrad.

I cannot fathom how SM is a better play today.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #408 (isolation #13) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:42 pm

I think she's town. But may as well wait until we know for sure before deciding what to do next.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #416 (isolation #14) » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:54 pm

Still think gorrad is the play.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #425 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:11 pm

I find has' claim believable. Its certainly plausible, and there's no other more reasonable explanation why we have another day.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #427 (isolation #16) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:17 pm

One-shot, both those abilities?

I am

highly

skeptical of an unlimited doc and motivator in one role.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #433 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:06 am

CO wrote: Espeically considering the role pretty much guarantees that you'll die tonight.

I suppose that's true. If he's not dead tomorrow, then we should probably lynch him then. So,

Unvote, Vote haschel cedricson.

Its unlike you to not be trying to lead the town. Laying low after your mislynch?

And why me, CO?

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #435 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:21 am

Well, yeah, I guess it does. But I hate gorrad's play. Hate it hate it hate it. And yet, obviously, if he's not lying, that's not really a role we want lynched.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #439 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:22 pm

gorrad wrote: He says he can motivate someone and have them do double their normal night actions. That is testable.

Well, its only testable if someone claims a night action, or do I misunderstand you?

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #440 (isolation #20) » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:22 pm

oops, gorrad didn't write that. hasdfgas did. I was thinking about gorrad when I wrote it.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #443 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:14 am

Hmm. I don't really think it was as bad as you are making it out to be. Considering that there were two kills last night, the odds of gorrad surviving, even if he's lying, are pretty tiny, I'd say. I was more emphasizing the "he's a dead man" aspect than the "we'll lynch him tomorrow if he isn't" aspect. Although were he to survive, I'd certainly consider him high on my suspect list. Its not like that's the only reason to vote for him.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #448 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:33 pm

WIFOM, WIFOM, always WIFOM, but the momentum was swinging toward me, and while he (HC) could've slipped onto my wagon, he didn't. Of course, he still hasn't posted his thoughts on me.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #449 (isolation #23) » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:39 pm

Also, I will be gone this weekend. I don't really think this game is busy enough for that to really be a problem, but just in case.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #456 (isolation #24) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:10 pm

DG being scum pushed me a long ways toward feeling better about SM being town.

And I think of being on the end of a scum wagon early in a game as a minor tell. A minor one, but a tell nonetheless.

Huh. I had forgotten that I had unvoted her, actually. Well, it was a while ago, I think that's what happened.

And yes, I defended you while voting for you, but, well, its not like my vote had a lot of teeth.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #463 (isolation #25) » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:11 am

CO wrote: The cornerstone of my case on her was her distancing with DG.

Yeah, but, as I said at the time, I didn't really buy the distancing argument. It didn't make sense to me that as scum she would push a bandwagon onto a fellow scum.

And sure, I could be scum supporting a townie to make myself look good. I'm not expecting to be cleared based on defending SM, but (and this isn't the only game where this happened to me) I hate how people who bandwagon a townie turn on the people who didn't, as if its

more

suspicious to not be on a townie bandwagon. Its like an invitation for the scum to bandwagon townies. I certainly don't see how you've proven that its any more likely that I was scum because I wasn't on the SM bandwagon.

As for gorrad: Yeah, I want him dead, because I think he's scum, and I don't completely buy his role. However, unless we should happen to have two doctors, with that claim and with two killing groups, he's dead. If he's not dead, hopefully he'll have confirmed his role, but if he's not, then yeah, I'd probably start off going with a gorrad wagon unless I have a good reason not to. He's got a day's reprieve from me because of his claim, but only a day.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #469 (isolation #26) » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:20 am

Well, I agree with that. Which is why I'm no longer voting for you today. But I'm suspicious of you, and hence suspicious of the claim. So you'll excuse me if I'm not immediately convinced you're pro-town. The OMGUSy, any-port-in-a-storm accusations aren't really helping me out either.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #472 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:36 pm

HC wrote: I just can't shake the feeling that if we go to night, whoever you target will conveniently have also been targeted by scum.

That feels like setting up some WIFOM of your own to me.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #476 (isolation #28) » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:56 pm

Fair enough. That made more sense with alcohol in me, anyway.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #495 (isolation #29) » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:11 pm

No kidding.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #517 (isolation #30) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:55 am

The math on no-lynch doesn't work. If we don't lynch today, assuming two kills and two remaining scum, then there are six left, and we would be in lylo. We could certainly do

worse

than lynching mafiassk, he's pretty much admitted to intentionally lurking.

Ah, hell, I've soured on HC being scum, and so long as we're giving gorrad a reprieve, I'll

unvote, vote mafiassk.

Hopefully that'll at least make him play.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #524 (isolation #31) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:37 pm

Oh snap(?)

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #534 (isolation #32) » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:25 am

So you were getting at HC mentioning there being an SK? I guess. . . but really, wouldn't as SK, he be just as likely to try to make us think there isn't an SK? WIFOM, I know, but I really think its a null-tell. I'm going to assume there's an SK unless someone claims vig. (And then I might assume that

they're

the SK.)

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #550 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:24 pm

cc09 wrote: 1. The best lynch today would be TSPN, he came off as the most scummy player to me, and I think he is the best option

So, cases are great, I hear.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #552 (isolation #34) » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:28 am

Sorry if that came off as personal, I didn't mean it as such. I just can't defend myself if I don't have anything to defend myself against.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #558 (isolation #35) » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:38 pm

Jumped on, started, semantics. But I'm still waiting for that case.

HC: Yes, I think we should test gorrad's claim, because while I still don't buy it, if he can confirm it, then that would be optimal.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #561 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:01 am

I believe there's only two votes on me, gorrad and cc09.

And cc09: Daunting reading is a reason to not immediately post your evidence, because you just read the damn game and you're tired. But if you can't

find

any evidence in 22 pages, then you probably need to reconsider your case.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #568 (isolation #37) » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:13 pm

CC09: Please make your own case. Tell us why you, in reading the game, thought me scummy. Don't hide behind gorrad.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #570 (isolation #38) » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:10 am

Alabaska is mighty friendly toward me, isn't he? I mean, I appreciate it, but it does sort of make me nervous about buddying-up.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #587 (isolation #39) » Thu May 01, 2008 7:08 am

Mod-type guy:

What are the deadline rules? Do we have to reach a majority, or just the most votes at the end of the day will lynch? Thanks.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #599 (isolation #40) » Thu May 01, 2008 7:15 pm

I have no badass claim with which to save myself.

I'm Take Me Out, Franz Ferdinand, vanilla townie.

Thanatos' reasoning is terrible. Four pages or no, make an honest comparison between my play and his play and tell me mine has been worse. When you factor in mafiaSSK's appearance, and then bailout on the game as soon as he was pressured, the choice should be pretty clear.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #604 (isolation #41) » Fri May 02, 2008 7:54 pm

That's a very good point about what pro-town powers gorrad is supposed to be motivating. Unfortunately, if I move my vote, I would become the lynch, which I'm obviously opposed to, but I would prefer a gorrad lynch to a cc09 lynch.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #605 (isolation #42) » Fri May 02, 2008 7:55 pm

Wait, no I wouldn't. HC was voting for me.

Unvote, vote gorrad.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #615 (isolation #43) » Sat May 03, 2008 9:27 pm

Naturally, you would be.

Gorrad is scum. All that nonsense about "confirming" his role? Who would he confirm it on. Confirming it would only bring out more power roles for him to kill.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #627 (isolation #44) » Sun May 04, 2008 9:27 pm

Oh well.

Sort of sucked replacing in just in time to have my absent partner lynched.

Anyway, I was being perfectly sincere about gorrad being scum. The points raised by HC were perfectly accurate: who the hell is gorrad supposed to be motivating? Also, the "confirmable" bit is really questionable, because the only people who could confirm him are power roles (or scum). I think a pro-town player might have considered that rather than saying what was necessary to save his ass for a day.