Mini 574: Portal Mafia: HUGE SUCCESS

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/confirm

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I'm not gay...

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But I'm not gay...

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You know, I didn't view the four votes on em as a big deal. They were all random and meaningless. I didn't find the four votes on me scummy at all.

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Vote: Machiavellian-Mafia

I think you are really pushing this fourth vote thing way to far. I didn't view it scummy at all; it was a random vote on a random wagon.

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Oh, you're right MM. It was a joke vote. Flame calls me a homo all the time. It was not scummy at all. I was in no danger of being lynched, at all.

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Unvote; Vote: Sir Tornado

Can you please explain your vote. This is important.

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Well since we are past the random voting stage, I think every vote should be explained. Also, there might be something I might want to discuss with you after you explain it.

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Ok, now what seperates Sir T from Akonas and jack-dillon? Both of them are lurkers as well. And Akonas has also posted today as well.

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antitown=/=scum

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Mini 548

Deadline game much like this. Replaced early on into day 1, posted very little, nked by mafia.

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Hi

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I encountered a gunsmith in a large normal once. I don't doubt Gorrad's claim right now. I'm still ok with a lynch on MM. Mainly, I find his attack on Flameaxe opportunistic and hypocritical.

I'm buying the claim for now. Gorrad's night choices need to be evaluated before I see Gorrad as confirmed town. Now I'm back to my #1 suspect.

Unvote, Vote: flameaxe

For:
1. sneaky 4th vote
2. fluffy posts
3. no attempt/not helpful in scumhunting

I really haven't seen him do much scumhunting either. He has mostly focused on pushing this 4th vote thing. Everyone but two on his analysis are either neutral or protown. So yeah, happy with my vote on him now.

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I really haven't seen him do much scumhunting either. He has mostly focused on pushing this 4th vote thing. Everyone but two on his analysis are either neutral or protown. So yeah, happy with my vote on him now.

I could say pretty much the same things about you, scotmany:

I really haven't seen scotmany do much scumhunting either. He has only focused on me pushing this 4th vote thing. At least I announce my positions on everyone , while he has no positions on anyone else except me, so I can't even tell who scotmany feels neutral or protown about. So yeah, happy to

FoS: scotmany

now.

Yes, but you not scumhunting wasn't part of my attack on you. You attacked flameaxe for what you are also guilty of. That is why I said you were hypocritical with your attack on him.

I encountered a gunsmith in a large normal once. I don't doubt Gorrad's claim right now. I'm still ok with a lynch on MM. Mainly, I find his attack on Flameaxe opportunistic and

hypocritical.

See, reading is key. Anyways, Ether, do you want like me to do a list on the players in the game? Pretty sure you know I don't do that. Anyways, I plan on rereading tajo sometime. No time really now.

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Scotmany: I don't see how I'm hypocritical with respect to my attacks on flameaxe:
Did flameaxe make a sneaky and suspicious vote? Yes
Did I do that? No

a sneaky and suspicions vote? It really wasn't, please stop pushing it.

Did flameaxe post mostly fluff? Yes
Did I do that? No
Is flameaxe not helpful in scumhunting? Yes, zero serious votes or FoSes
Am I not helpful in scumhunting? No, I have made clear who I'm suspicious of, plus I expressed positions on everyone else.

I disagree. Until recently, I really do not see you doing anything helpful.

Sir Tornado: Although a bit lacking in content, I find what he does have to be well thought out. I'm leaning towards scummy (accurate and lurky) but I like him for now.

Wait, what? You have him down as scummy, then you say you like him for now? Which one is it?

MM: Evidence against him is overused and shallow, Neutral for now.

Ok, so 44 minutes after you say this, you vote for MM. What made you change your mind? Was it Gorrad's vote on him, and perhaps you thought it was an easy wagon to push? You make me look higher on your suspicions than him in your list. So what happened between those 44 minutes that made you change your mind?

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EBWOP: Fixing quote tages with MM...

Scotmany: I don't see how I'm hypocritical with respect to my attacks on flameaxe:
Did flameaxe make a sneaky and suspicious vote? Yes
Did I do that? No

A sneaky and suspicions vote? It really wasn't, please stop pushing it.

Did flameaxe post mostly fluff? Yes
Did I do that? No
Is flameaxe not helpful in scumhunting? Yes, zero serious votes or FoSes
Am I not helpful in scumhunting? No, I have made clear who I'm suspicious of, plus I expressed positions on everyone else.

I disagree. Until recently, I really do not see you doing anything helpful.[/quote]

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Unvote

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I was voting for M-M. So yeah, of course I'm going to unvote, and since Glork said the day would end around 23:00, which is 11:00 pm, I didn't feel the need to hammer yet.

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I would like him to claim first, but if he does not do so in an hour, then I will hammer. That would be at 10:30 est.

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I think M-M should act as a regular doc. Since the scum know what he is, he won't really work as being an investigative role.

Anyways,

Vote: populartajo

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I just have one quick question at the moment. Gorrad, why did you include a cult? I have actually never encountered a cult on the site and I really just want to hear your reasoning behind this.

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Eh, you just made it sound like that if there was one there had to be the both a vig and a cult or neither of them due to you using and. Just got confused really.

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The fact that you were able to read the very last sentence of post whatever of mine under an alt account and LOL about it doesn't really suggest that you're V/LA.

Oh but the V/LA thread does. And I can assure you that flameaxe has posted there. Yay research. Anyways, I'll post stuff tomorrow. And stuff.

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Now again I call out Flameaxe for lurking and question him about why he chooses not to contribute and in comes scotmany to the rescue again donning his cape and fucking spandex pants mentioning that he did some research and noticed that Flameaxe wrote that he would be V/LA LAST WEEKEND. Obviously I noticed that too, scotmany12, but what you failed miserably to notice was what Mach-Mafia so nicely summarized for me: Flameaxe has been plenty active on both his regular account and his alt account despite the fact that he's "V/LA".

Ok, I'm in three games with Flame right now. In all three, he has posted very little to absolutely nothing during the past week. So yeah, he hasn't been plenty active. I don't know where MM is getting this activity from.

Ok, so rereading the game, I'm thinking Miztef or Incognito. Miztef mostly for his contradications, and something doesn't seem right about Incognito. Can't really put my finger on it though. I must now look through their post in isolation. What I did do was try to find connections between jester and anyone, and honestly, nothing stood out at all. I do not think there is much to gain from him.

I have a question for Gorrad. What does your role really do? You said that you can investigate someone and this tells you if they can kill or not? Correct?

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I have a question for Gorrad. What does your role really do? You said that you can investigate someone and this tells you if they can kill or not? Correct?

Correct. It has nothing to do with allignment, except that it clear people from the possibility of being Mafia or SK. They could still be Devil, Cult, or any number of antitown. Or they could be Vig and I get that they CAN kill. I've also checked with Glork here, and the ability to kill means kill one's target. So if I investigated a weak doc who might kill himself, I'd get no kill ability as a result.

See, the problem I have with this is that this is not a Gunsmith, and you claimed Gunsmith. A Gunsmith is someone who investigates and can find out if a person has a gun or not. What you are describing is not what a Gunsmith does so I now have problems with your claim.

What I did do was try to find connections between jester and anyone, and honestly, nothing stood out at all. I do not think there is much to gain from him.

Hm, I wonder why you wanna ignore The Jester's list and contribution. Oh wait, I know why:

scotmany12 - Seems okay, asking questions where questions should be. "They were all random and meaningless." (Concerning the votes on himself.)

Unvote; Vote: scotmany12

Where did I say ignore? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. If you read what he has posted in this thread, you will realize he left us nothing to use. To him, the majority of the players were okay to him. He has flameaxe as, what, a soufle, YWN as cautious, Sir T as grey, Miztef as "suspicious and less so now", akonas as not suspicious, you as looking better, and me as okay. How you single me out from this list I don't know. There is really hardly any difference between one player and another.

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Yes, since I doubt's Gorrads because his rolename does not fit his role. And Gorrad, plenty of people carry guns. Cops, Vigs, Mafia, any variant of the doc role, etc.

@Incognito, the Jester did not take a solid stance on anyone besides maybe Gorrad. Interestingly, you seemed to ignore Akonas in that list. He was just as guilty as much as me/flame/sirt were of lurker, and the jester had him as not suspicious.

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EBWOP: Any variant of the cop role. Doc's probably do not carry guns. My mistake.

Gorrad, I doubt that Glork would put a gunsmith in and then change the role almost completely. And you can stop restating that you talked to Glork. It can't be proven or disproven.

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Putting words in my mouth. I actually never said that I think both of you are fakeclaiming. I said I doubt them which simply means I do not 100% believe them. There was absolutely no way I was going to go after you today MM, and even though I expressed suspicion of Gorrad, I still don't view him as the play for today.

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EBWOBBQ: What does the role Devil do?

Where did this come from? With that being said, the one time I encountered a devil, it acted like a rolecop for the mafia, but the mafia did not know who the devil was. Still though, I would like to know where this question of a devil coming from. Unless I am mistaken, you were the first to mention it.

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Guardian, I said that I found both Miztef and Incognito suspicous just from rereading. I haven't gotten around to anything on them yet because I have been getting home at 7 practically every night this week. Also, before they both got replaced, both akonas and sir t can have been said as actively lurking.

Why is Gorrad all but confirmed town? He claimed a pr that does not fit the rolename. Also, Gorrad, you never explained your vote on me. It seems that the only reason you voted for me was because I questioned your role, and I did rightfully so. Hardly more than an OMGUS. You didn't even have me as your top three suspicious, or flameaxe for that matter, when you posted your reread.

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I fail to see where I assumed anything. As well as where guardian said I made an assumption.

If I was fake claiming, they would.

Nice WIFOM btw.

Guardian, if Gorrad is scum, it doesn't clear YWN and who he investigates. I also plan to vote for someone tomorrow. Will most likely be Miztef or Incognito.

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Will most likely be Miztef or Incognito.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember you actually explicitly mentioning why you found me suspicious. Care to explain?

No, I haven't. When I reread, I just had an uneasy feeling about you. Probably mostly Gut. After reading your posts in isolation, I don't really see that much scummy things from you. There are things that I disagree with, but that isn't really scummy on your part.

I can, however, go for a Miztef lynch. He seems to be contradicting himself from tiem to time in this game. I find him fencesitting, calling people scummy and then saying she doesn't want to vote for them (i.e. Flameaxe and sir t(guardian now)). I would really like to hear how he distinguishes me from those two, because he says that I am her most suspicious.

One thing that really gets me is one of his defenses:

I'm much less consistent as town for the simple reason that I have very little idea what I'm doing. When I'm scum I know exactly what I should be doing. I just assumed that's how it is with most people.

I really just dislike people using their own metas as defenses. Its borderline WIFOM for me. Simply saying this is how I always play as town is just, eh, not good.
So,

Vote: Miztef

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I would wager that there is either 4 scum, or 3 scum and a sk.

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If there was a looming deadline, then yes. Otherwise, unless his claim is extremely far fetched, then no.

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Honestly, I'm about ready to hammer BBM. It is clear that he is active throughout the site. He can't even take one minute to claim; he is avoiding this game completely. If flame was town I don't think he would do this.

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Good job guys. Sorry for my poor play this game.