Mini 550: KSFV: Game Over

[Rosso Carne]

ignoring GS

thats just a shitty PR and hes probably town.

[Rosso Carne]

huge

fOs: ANYONE VOTING gREASY SPOT

With my role and the obviously wacky role of greasy spot, I'm half tempted to ask for a massclaim. This game might be broken.

[Rosso Carne]

huge

fOs: ANYONE VOTING gREASY SPOT

With my role and the obviously wacky role of greasy spot, I'm half tempted to ask for a massclaim. This game might be broken.

Sorry, I can't ever back a mass claim in a non-open game ever again unless there's a very very good reason behind it.

i have a VERY good reason.

i need to think and actually watch GS.

in the meantime, I'd like to see if GS can get around the PR by actually contributing and not jsut claiming.

[Rosso Carne]

So Rosso, what would you like done with GS than?

he should be vigged.

[Rosso Carne]

OK, I think I've got it.

Not a massclaim yet at this point, but I'd like a mass vanilla/not vanilla to go down.

Discuss.

[Rosso Carne]

With Greasy Spot's postings (Assassin, Psychologist, Blackjack Dealer, Hyptonist, Slots Manager, Stick Man, Bartender), I feel like we're in a pre-game phase of a Smalltown + UPick / Choose Your Own Role game.

Rosso Carne, if remainder eleven of us mass claim, are you volunteering to claim first?

of course.

[Rosso Carne]

OK, I think I've got it.

Not a massclaim yet at this point, but I'd like a mass vanilla/not vanilla to go down.

Discuss.

This is just as bad. If you out all the power roles now the scum will kill them.

Unless someone can make a case that this only, or significantly, helps town, I vote no.

just let me say that this is a mini, so if we dont then i nkow whos going to win.

your experience should get what im talking about.

[Rosso Carne]

only if you have a contribution restriction.

[Rosso Carne]

vIQleS and Unity, simply ignore my dice rolling post earlier.

ignoring GS

thats just a shitty PR and hes probably town.

So Rosso, what would you like done with GS than?

he should be vigged.

Rosso Carne, first you think Greasy Spot is town, then you want him vigged. That's scummy to suggest vigging someone who you think is town.

Major FOS Rosso Carne

that was a response to what should be DONE with him.

he shoudlnt be lynched.

but right now i think hes town with a shitty PR. maybe its outsmartin the mod, but this setup has wackiness in it. I am supporting a semi-claim because of my role and the danger this town is in. Any experienced player should know what im breadcrumbing at.

[Rosso Carne]

but what danger is the town in exactly?

its a secret.

a well guarded secret that im tired of breadcrumbing. if my boys that have been here for years dont understand what i mean then its hopeless. heres to hoping the scum kill the threat and this all goes away.

in the meantime, figure it out, read my posts, and if you understand, youll get why a massclaim is very helpful.

[Rosso Carne]

so you figure the crumbs and still think theres no danger...

think about yourself.

[Rosso Carne]

alright fine, but when the cult grows uncontrollably, im getting replaced.

[Rosso Carne]

i did

im effing tired of this.

look people, this is a mini game. that means the cult will rapidly be able to take it over.

work with me here now. 1 recruiter at the start, 2 scum (reasonable i think) and 9 townies. lynch, NK, recruit. lets assume the lynch is anyone but the recruiter. then its 2 cult and 8 others, 1 or 2 may be scum. as long as both scum are killed by day 4, the cult basically wins. cults are dangerous and almost broken in a mini setup.

and yes yes, how do i know theres a cult?

well if youd like me to claim, i will. it should be pretty obvious.

but please read any game with one. even in huge games, the cult needs to be the first priority or else it will severely decimate the town. [read goats for example]

so unless this is similar to worst role evar, im fucking scared.

no viq, i dont have a NK, dont know where you got that idea from, but i do not.

anything else before i go?

[Rosso Carne]

well obviously, a claim wont help now, now that i gave that.

the point is, i needed someone to catch on to it sometime, and no one was, everyone was clueless. the cult needs to be the first priority before it absolutely takes over.

[Rosso Carne]

Okay looking over some things. RC are you a pro-town cult leader or a cult cop or something that tells you there should be a cult but are otherwise un-related? On that note I may support a claim on day 2, 3, 4 depending on the casualties at night, but not a d1 mass claim.

yes something like that.

a claim now would be useless. i wanted a mass claim because i suspected the majority of roles were similar to mine and that the cult leader wouldnt be able to make a good one. id be able to pick it out.

now its useless since everyone knows.

[Rosso Carne]

Well I certainly hope this goes somewhere, 'cuz right now I really feel like the scum are sitting back laughing while we run around in circles like chickens with our heads cut off!

plain sight prod

with this talking about this really sounds a bit like someone trying to contribute but not wanting to give anything up. first guess and first gut is that there lies our cult leader.

vote:unity

[Rosso Carne]

can we please lnch unity. hes a cultie.

[Rosso Carne]

Get off your high horse RC.

And as fun as another RVS would be,

Vote: Ryan

Cuz He's really defensive/offensive and I think we need to see what happens when we put him under the spotlight.

im the best, i deserve this thoroughbred.

i dont like the way ryan is playing, its real n00Bish to me i think. dont know if thats a good scumtell or maybe {since i care} cultie "ooo a new role, wonder how to play it" -tell.

[Rosso Carne]

:whiney face:

[Rosso Carne]

VIQleS, you may be right about defensiveness vs defend oneself, but it's hard to defend against thin air. When vacuum is in Power Play, you can hardly win. I'd be defensive too if I had a few people on me with almost no reasons, especially Armlx, and with nothing happening after a claim.

Something being hard to do is not a good reason to start acting like a petulant child. If there aren't any good reasons then take the bad reasons and refute them.

Hear Rosso Carne's opinion of lynching Ryan and who he think is cult leader or w/e.

Would I be right in thinking that we haven't heard from RC in a while? Can we get a

Prod

if so...

you'd be right.

havent had time to contribute in more intense games. ill do a reread of the past 3-4 pages this weekend and have a goodly chunk.

[Rosso Carne]

any rationale for that at all?

[Rosso Carne]

re-reading-ish

rosso carne, what was this stuff about cult that you know?

im a cultie cop. i inv'd unity last night, as i thought his actions were quite cult-leader-n00B-esque.

i think the fact that theres a cult is counteracted by the 3 killing groups at night. kinda random unless theres crossfire, but I'm not here to comment on the fairness of the netup (yet)

[Rosso Carne]

...

that almost warrents a vote TT

[Rosso Carne]

haha

good jorb.

[Rosso Carne]

id go for that.

im in a pissed off enough mood.

[Rosso Carne]

if any of his dying ws because i inv'd him, then i didnt know about it. all i do is inv and get cultie or not.

[Rosso Carne]

viq, i never, as any cop, investigate anyone i think is scum. i investigate those that i cant get a good read on. unity was one of them.

[Rosso Carne]

hey dumbass, i lynch the people i konw are scum. did unity get lynched? nope.

thats because i wasnt sure. if i were sure, i would have made it happen.

That sounds like oldbie scum doublespeak to me.

[Rosso Carne]

Could he have a post restriction too? I hope not.

RC, so did you have a good read on unity or not? You seemed pretty sure in those posts.

whenever i have a good read on people, you know it. i literally post between everyone elses posts. I had a feeling unity might have been a cultie (which was wrong) but i wasnt sure and wanted to find out a good target for sure.

[Rosso Carne]

i lynch the people i konw are scum.

Really? The only way I can think of for you to know who's scum on day one is for you to be scum.

And how on earth do you manage in games when you're neither sum nor an investigative role?

thats because i wasnt sure. if i were sure, i would have made it happen.

You mean like this?

can we please lnch unity. hes a cultie.

That's exactly what you tried to do. With a great deal of apparent conviction.

I was sceptical about your claims yesterday about cults and cult cops. Now I'm wondering whether unity getting killed last night was a huge coincidence, or whether you're a SK or something...

hey dumbass...

I'm pretty sure that ad hom and personal attacks are, if not against the rules, at least frowned upon...

who are you callin a cootie queen you lint licker!!

[Rosso Carne]

im gonna get really pissed if this turned out to be a damn bastard mod role.

[Rosso Carne]

im gonna get really pissed if this turned out to be a damn bastard mod role.

On top of everything else, that really sealed it for me. Not only is his role improbable, but now he's suggesting we have a bastard mod?

Vote: RC

im confused. you want me dead for questioning my role in an obviously night based setup. yeah, 3 killing roles, this game comes down to night. with three freaking killing roles, whose to say theres not a cult, i simply was mentioning it becuase id be pissed if it were.

Now, im just assuming because of what i said about GS being vigged that he was. not a big deal,t hats the vigs perogative. I'm also assuming that because i implied that unity may be a cultie that the sk killed him (what sk wants to be recruited). that obviously worked out since it killed scum. not a big deal.

hell, maybe "stuffed with straw" means that theyre dead but will come back as a cultie. that would be stupid and pointless in my opinion, butt hats jsut speculation. This is obviously a very night based game, and using craplogic like that is no reason for a small wagon.

vote:sensfan

[Rosso Carne]

im gonna get really pissed if this turned out to be a damn bastard mod role.

On top of everything else, that really sealed it for me. Not only is his role improbable, but now he's suggesting we have a bastard mod?

Vote: RC

im confused. you want me dead for questioning my role in an obviously night based setup. yeah, 3 killing roles, this game comes down to night. with three freaking killing roles, whose to say theres not a cult, i simply was mentioning it becuase id be pissed if it were.

More killing roles (anti-town) make a cult LESS likely.

Now, im just assuming because of what i said about GS being vigged that he was. not a big deal,t hats the vigs perogative. I'm also assuming that because i implied that unity may be a cultie that the sk killed him (what sk wants to be recruited). that obviously worked out since it killed scum. not a big deal.

Fracking hell!
SK's dont get recruited. Even if for some reason there was a cult and this was the most unfair game EVER, SK's are not recruitable.

hell, maybe "stuffed with straw" means that theyre dead but will come back as a cultie. that would be stupid and pointless in my opinion, butt hats jsut speculation. This is obviously a very night based game, and using craplogic like that is no reason for a small wagon.

vote:sensfan

woah, what the hell? You think the wagon against you is based on craplogic. Get a fricking clue mate...
You expect me to take a guy who keeps referring to cult recruits as 'culties' seriously?
I mean, is that actually how your role is laid out?

Rosso Carne- Cultie Cop

rofl. And ive been thinking. Even if we did have a cult, what kind of a pointless role is 'cult cop'? I mean on the first night, there is unlikely to be any recruits anyway. Assuming the game only lasts 2 or 3 days, the role is pretty damn pointless, and barring some miraculous luck, wont achieve anything anyway.

Rosso- have you ever played a game with a cult before?
what is your experience of Mafia outside of MS?

There is absolutely no way this guy should still be alive. If he isnt lynched today, simply put, i'm requesting replacement. If this town cant lynch confirmed scum, then we havent got a hope in hell's chance.

BM

dont outguess the mod please.

[Rosso Carne]

3 killing roles in a mini is an impossibility without something else to bog it down.

[Rosso Carne]

again, lots of PRs means highly night based. something needs to bog a lot of killing roles down, even if its bcause the cult role is balanced by that rough chance of being killed.

[Rosso Carne]

im not saying the game isnt highly night-based as you put it (although it concerns me that you keep clinging onto this fact). Im just saying that a Cult throws the game off, and your claim makes no sense.
Now answer my questions.

What is your mafia experience outside of MS?
that includes real life, IRC, scumchat etc.

BM

why would i not cling to this fact. theres 3 killing roles, somebody damn well better cling to that fact.

[Rosso Carne]

*shrug*

ive claimed already.

[Rosso Carne]

Are the Cults automatically anti-Town? I've read in the Wiki that a Cult can be anti-Town or not. And the Vig kill is a pro-Town kill...

im pretty sure if the cult was protown, we wouldnt have a cult cop anyway. lol

Rosso, you are STILL avoiding the question.

BM

not really avoiding as much not really caring.

is there a reason?

[Rosso Carne]

Are the Cults automatically anti-Town? I've read in the Wiki that a Cult can be anti-Town or not. And the Vig kill is a pro-Town kill...

im pretty sure if the cult was protown, we wouldnt have a cult cop anyway. lol

Rosso, you are STILL avoiding the question.

BM

not really avoiding as much not really caring.

is there a reason?

Yes there is. Now answer the damn question.

then what is it?

[Rosso Carne]

lloyd, i dont tear people.

bm, i want your reasoning.