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I joined this game during night, forgot about it. I only joined to push Adele over the edge of insanity, but I never played a "smalltown" game before, I hardly even play open games.
I targetted Gorgon. I looked at the list, and the roles, and I picked him because...
...it would make Gorgon immune to being targeted by Powers for the night (which he already is on account of his role) and incapable of using his own Power (which is to hide).
I just laughed thinking at the giant migraine Seol would get trying to wrap his head around that one.
So... you want to kill Adele? I'm in. But first, I should read the game. Fasten your seatbelts.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Hi.Thestatusquo wrote:So we get rid of ZA and then have to deal with DGB? Ugh...I hate this game so much.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Random musings.
shaft.ed cannot possibly be scum on account of his role.
mathcam cannot possibly be scum on account of his role.
Yvonne cannot possibly be scum on account of her role.
The Fonz cannot possibly be scum on account of his role.
Adele is not likely to be scum on account of her role. I'll try to convince myself otherwise.
cicero is not likely to be scum, but iffy.
CKD's role might very well be scum.
TSQ might very well be scum.
Gorgon's role is VERY SK-ish. Very.
Looking at roles only...
I'd vote for:
1. Gorgon
2. TSQ/CKD
3. cicero/Adele
I can't vote for shaft.ed, mathcam, Yvonne, The Fonz. Not today anyway.
OK now I read the game, paying special attention to my top suspects.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Here Gorgon seems to be acutely aware of notions like being tracked or not, detering players from targetting him at night, SURVIVAL is the extent of his usefulness... I find that post, alone and in itself, a MEGA SK tell.Gorgon wrote:My own ability would certainly be useful in the hands of scum ... since it allows immunity from tracking, NKs (useful for all alignments since there are two killing groups), etc. In the hands of Sylar it would be pretty bad for the town, especially since Seol has confirmed that he could kill and phase out on the same night. Hopefully my ability will deter people from targeting me for NK, though ... Sylar and mafia alike can never be sure which nights I'm phased out on. As town, survival is the extent of my usefulness to the rest of the town, but at least that's something.
In his post #6, Gorgon votes CKD. Interesting choice: CKD is one role that can definitely prevent him from nightkilling. Reason given: "wavering in his accusations." Pretty weak reason.
Then he votes Zoneace, and stays on this aborted wagon for a long long time. Meanwhile he continues to go after CKD. Doesn't vote for CKD again. Very focused and tunnel-visioned on CKD.
Then he comes in sporadically with excuses for inactivity. In his last post, Jan 11, Gorgon approves of the Oman lynch without much explanation, and without having expressed much prior suspicion of Oman beforehand. Like, you know, whatever wagon, he approves.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Hey! Who's not paying attention now? I said that I was first going to lay out arguments relating to roles. Then I would lay out arguments on individual players according to what they posted in the game.Thestatusquo wrote:Someone want to run by me why Gorgon is 50/50 the SK again? Or rather, for the first time because I don't think I've seen it done.
DGB, this is why I hate playing with you. You're the definition of dislogic. People have made the argument of a weighting system to balance scumminess with roles, and while I personally disagree with I some merit to it. But making the argument that someone is SCUM or not simply based on their role is completely wrong. Like, I can't even begin to think of a justification for it.
Naturally, as my analysis progresses, I will include the role information as part of my famous dyslogic, but it's not the end all conclusion by any stretch.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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BTW - I will look at every player in detail, in alphetical order. Today I will look at Adele (how lucky is that?) and cicero. I'll do the rest later.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Yes I did. What I said is that I am first starting by looking at what can be inferred from the roles. But now I'm sitting down and going to be Adele's biggest nightmare. Yay!cicero wrote:
No.curiouskarmadog wrote:
did she admit to that?cicero wrote:She dove in without reading carefully again.
Here she tries to direct another player trying to look like she's not directing another player. Failed.Adele wrote:davidangelsummers wrote:
Is their any role that people would definitely not like me to protect tonight?
Obviously a lot of people will be hesitant to target me tonight (Sad) but I don't think you need to be. If you were to protect me, aside from being safer, I'd also gain a skill that's very useful to the town. But of course, since you want the scum not to know who you're targeting, you shouldn't pick someone (too guessable) but pick 3ish different people and randomise the selection (diceroll or if you're a pedant, random.org). Scum can't outplay you if it's not your decision Wink.
I do.Adele wrote:[quote="JDodge']Unvote, vote: Oman
Vote: JDodge[/quote]Here defends a townie with scummy certainty.
[quote="Oman"Adele is a key person to dicover the alignment of.[/quote]
/agree in theory, but there's no such thing as confirmation here, only accusation. I mean, there's no cop that can investigate me and say "Yup, she's clean". So it reads to me just like you want me to be subject to higher-than-average suspicion and scrutiny.[/quote]Rubs me the wrong way.
The red part weirds me out.Adele wrote:Just to be completely self obsessed and go through everyone whether my power makes me a good or bad target:
Zindaras: Mohinder Suresh, Networker - Neutral; I can't absorb this ability
mathcam: Ted Sprague, Walking Bomb - Bad, obv Razz
Oman: Eden McCain, Subliminal Influencer - Bad, as it devalues other roles
curiouskarmadog: The man with the horn-rimmed glasses, Jailkeeper - Neutral (obviously I'd prefer not, but it doesn't have knock-on effects in terms of my ability)
JDodge: the Haitian, Dampener - Damps my ability to learn. Bad, if only town-positive powers are targeting me.
shaft.ed: Nathan Petrelli, Motivator - Potentially really good... I'm gonna say good
Thestatusquo: Ando Masahashi, Vanilla - Neutral Razz
ZONEACE: Matt Parkman, Tracker - Good.
Gorgon: DL Hawkins, Hider - Good
YvonneSeer: Claude Rains, Watcher - Good
davidangelsummers: Daniel Linderman, Doctor - Good
david is the doctor, and unlikely scum. They sure aren't buddies; but this strikes me as a scum interacting with a townie.Adele wrote:
If you're looking to catch me out, remember that I'm a self-watcher, so I'd know that Claude was watching me, and know not to lie.davidangelsummers wrote: Adele: I would want to know exactly which powers she is getting and why. I think it would be helpful for judging her and her targeters alignments.
If you're looking to catch my targeters out, remember I'm a self-watcher, so I'd be able to perform that function.
If you're looking to force me to tell the truth, that makes sense - but remember that if I lied my targeters could reveal me.
[/quote]Adele seems to have caught Yvonne in a lie. Why isn't she pursuing it more aggressively? What I am missing? Was it just a joke?Adele wrote:I'd like as many players as possible - especially investigative players - to make a commitment to not lie, and a corollary commitment from as many as possible to enforce this by agreeing that if someone is caught in a lie they are the priority lynch.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Next up: cicero. Meta: he's posting as much, as frequently, and as hotly as I've seen him as town. However he's very quick to announce his enthusiastic willingness to vote Oman. That's not a scum move, because there was no call to bus Oman at that point, he was easy to defend, therefore, a poor bus'ing choice. But then he goes overboard and becomes paranoid about Oman being Sylar. I agree with cicero's assessment of shafted, Gorgon and Yvonne: shafted is "the man" Gorgon is "not trusted" and Yvonne is "lurking noobscum."
But then he quickly voted for Oman, and never unvoted.
Behaviorally, I'd peg him as SK. He's not tying himself to anyone, talking a lot, and very happy to get rid of the wagon leader without delay.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Aye, I have trouble wrapping my head around this.cicero wrote:DGB you still have not confirmed that you understand that ANY ROLE could be scum in this game. Your initial posts demonstrated a complete misunderstanding of that aspect of the game. Do you now understand that ANY ROLE HAS AN EQUAL CHANCE OF BEING SCUM? Roles get picked. Then who is scummed gets randomly picked. Do you get that?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Fascinating. I love this. Adele, Fritzler, Quagmire, MoS will kill me on Night 0 if they can - they can't help themselves. You can take it to the bank. Maybe I should add TSQ to the list.cicero wrote:To others. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Adele is probably scum based on the simple principle that Adele is still alive.
Discuss.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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I disagree. Anyway. Stop distracting me. Gonna skip the alphabetical order business because I want to take a closer look at Gorgon and mathcam. Mathcam is a banana peel.cicero wrote:
This is the dumbest thing I've said out loud in a mafia game ever. Pressed send and then gave myself a giant headsmack.cicero wrote:To others. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Adele is probably scum based on the simple principle that Adele is still alive.
Discuss.
My apologies.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Analysing mathcam is like testing a calculator for rounding errors.
Hypothesis: mathcam is scum.
Implacable logic.mathcam wrote:That's the second time shaft.ed's jumped on a chance to attack someone that could have been easily prevented with a closer reading. To this credit, he's since backed down from one of them, but given how carefully he's been paying attention to the rules, I can't help but feel that it's scummy that he hasn't been paying similar attention to player's posts.
Lemma: mathcscum not bloody likely to slip up.
The above exchange seems extraordinarily contrived, circular, and incestuous. Read again: "if the parenthetical remark is a suggestion to improve the plan, then I should point out that this was already part of the original plan" - why is that worth a discussion? I'm weirded out.mathcam wrote:
I may be misreading this sentence, but if the parenthetical remark is a suggestion to improve the plan, then I should point out that this was already part of the original plan:Adele wrote:While I'm not in 100% agreement with this plan (the same role may be particularly useful to scum, but also to town; should be working from a weighted net perspective of "cool scum" minus "cool town"?)Adele wrote:Until I see something particularly scummy, it seems sensible to figure out which of the rolesare significantly more harmful if they are in the hands of scum than they are beneficial if they're in the hands of pro-town players.
Corollary: mathcam is easily bogged down in trivial semantics with Adele. Why?
Solving for Oman: Here mathcam plays Mr. Obvious. Why?mathcam wrote:Oman: I think the most important thing is that you don't use your power indiscriminately -- if you feel at some point during the game that you can set up a beautiful trap to catch someone in a lie, then go for it, but take into account the consequences and potential confusion if you're wrong. I'm not sure there's any more guidance anyone can offer.
OMG I so don't want mathcam to be scum. He's totally going to take us for a ride.mathcam wrote:If we have cops A, B, C, then on day 2, we could make cop A reveal first, then cop B, then cop C. On day 3, we permute the order so that B reveals first, then C, then A, etc.
But then after all this subtle, over-my-head blah blah, mathcam simply "I think I'm leaving my vote on JDodge, with no new reasons than I had before (except possibly for increased lurking)." Urgh.
mathcam's reasoning for voting Oman was incredibly weak. Strange considering how they both somewhat agreed on the value of "no lynch." Strange, very strange. Then long after, after post after post of hardly mentioning Oman and gettin bogged down in subtleties, "Still like lynching Oman."
Strong suggestion: mathcam does NOT get a free pass in this game. He talks a slick, detail-oriented game. But when scrutinizing the big picture, I see some wishy-washy bandwagon riding all day yesterday. I don't like it.
Today, matchcam keeps repeating that Gorgon is the lynch. I would tend to agree with this; however, comparing mathcam's behavior yesterday, and his behavior today (much more boldly going after one player) gives me cause for concern, and we shouldn't rush lynching Gorgon without taking an in-depth look at mathcam himself.
QEDParaphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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In the meantime, we can force mathcam's Pentium Processor to play "pin the donkey" at soldering gun point.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Cicero. Does mathcam seem scummy to you? For a computer?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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You're around and you're typing.cicero wrote:Why you askin' me in particular?
Of course anyone is welcome to take a shot at examining mathcam's dot matrix, perforated paper output, for COBOL errors, and re-submit to the mainframe.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Really? It was a NY game if I recall correctly. I was NK'd Night 0, you were lynched Day 1, and you were scum. It wasn't you?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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And I haven't gotten to you yet! OK you're next.Thestatusquo wrote:mod, can you replace DGB, please?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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TSQ:
Post #1: "Believe me, Jdodge will help us lynch Oman, but ZONEFACE is the first bandwagon." I bet that if TSQ is scum, one of JDodge, Oman, and Zoneface is his buddy. Since we know it's not Oman, I know it's not me,
Post #2-3: One word, single emoticon.
Post #4: Votes Zoneace, no reason stated.
Post #5: Confirm votes Zoneace, for lurking, which is ironic coming from TSQ thus far.
Post #6: FOS mathcam, no reason stated.
Post #7: Urges a Zoneace lynch because of Zonace's policy vote on himself.
Post #8: FOS JDdodge, no reason stated.
Post #9: un-FOS JDdodge, mathcam, no reason stated.
Post #10: Defends CKD.
Post #11: Berates Zoneace for unoriginal insight.
Post #12: Berates Zoneace for not wanting to discuss mathcam's scheme.
Post #13: Berates Yvonne for not discussing enough when he's hardly discussin himself.
Post #14: Berates someone for crappy logic with a single sentence.
Post #15: Berates shafted for crappy logic with a single sentence.
Post #16: Demands Adele be prodded.
Post #18: Berates someone for not paying attention.
Post #20: At last, content! Unfortunately it's trite nonsense about wifom. Too bad.
Post #21: Asks a one-line question.
Post #22: Admits to misreading post.
Post #23: Asks a one-line question.
Post #24: Admits to misreading post. Jokes with Adele.
Post #25: Chides JDodge.
Post #26: Mr Obvious much?
Post #27: Mr Obvious much?
Post #28: Berates Zoneace for not answering questions.
Post #29: Berates Zoneace for sport.
Post #30: Berates Adele. I approve.
Post #31: Lists 4 questions for Zoneace, which smell of a trap. Because Zoneace really has no reason not to answer these questions if he's scum - it's not like the in themselves, his answers are indicative of anything. I think TSQ is trying to push Zoneace's buttons in order to trip him up and upset him.
Post #32: Chides shafted.
Post #33: FOS's CKD, for "over-reacting."
Post #34: Expands on why he finds CKD suspicious. It smells like an afterthought, though. I don't like it.
Post #35: Votes CKD; FOS Zoneace; FOS shafted
Posts #36-37-38-39-41: One-word posts, or close to one word.
Post #42: Votes Zoneace again.
Post #43: TSQ gets into policy vote argument with Zoneace. Very scummy. "You know, just because I don't like you doesn't mean I am bringing that into the game." Yeah right, like we're all idiots and we can't see that's exactly what you're doing.
Post #44: Points out that Zoneace ignored post 43 (Zoneace is taking the high road IMHO).
Posts #45-46: Rubbish.
Post #47: Demands that more attention be paid to the contrived feud between himself and Zoneace. VERY SCUMMY.
Posts #48: Continues to distract with his Zoneace agenda.
Posts #49-50: Suddenly gets defensive.
Post #51: Mr Obvious states that no lynch is not a good idea.
Post #52: Berates shafted with cross-posting/timing semantics.
Post #53: Berates shafted for parroting him. What? Is shafted going after Zoneace?
Post #54: Demands prod of JDodge and Oman.
Post #55: If Oman is town, Adele is cleared. Mmmmm.... is she???
Post #57: votes back shafted.
Post #58: Demands to be replaced to run away from Zoneace.
Post #59: More drama about being replaced to run away from Zoneace.
Post #60: "I would continue playing this game only if Zoneace will stop trying to pass off every action I make as somehow having to do with him. Otherwise, I am out of here. Zoneace, you willing to do that?" Why doesn't TSQ do that himself?
Post #61: Enlightens CKD.
Post #63: Does not agree with LAL.
Posts #64-65-66-67-68: More drama with Zoneace.
Post #69: Asks a useless question.
Post #70: Berates Adele and votes Adele.
...to be continued...Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Hmmmmm.... this is a VERY odd post... what is it about Gorgon's tutu that you want to save him, and keep him alive as long as CKD is alive?YvonneSeer wrote:What about having ckd jail Gorgon every night from now on?
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TSQ cont'd
Posts #74-75-76-78: Hotly defends town lying.
Post #79: Votes Zoneace again.
Post #80: Suddenly declares shafted to be town.
Posts #82-83: Berates Zoneace for keeling over and not arguing back. I think his DWA tell is bunk.
Post 84: Tunnel vision on Zoneace reaches its apex.
Post 85: Now, I really like this post. It looks like TSQ has suddenly awakened and tries to find scum. He's distracting himself silly with that dumb feud he's having with Zoneace, though, it's really ruining his game.
However - on account of that single post - and I really am disapppointed to say this, haha, I have to reluctantly conclude that TSQ is probable town.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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YvonneSeer:
"I find mathcam the most pro-town because I agree with what he has come up with."
Ouch. Hail to the mainframe.
"CKD, I think, was a little too opportunistic in voting mathcam after shaft.ed did"
Hmmm, defending matchcam again.
"TSQ, I really didn't like your early FoSes on mathcam"
Hmmm, here's mathcam again.
"Sorry, I don't understand. How will the SK be found out through this?"
Hmmm. Very concerned with SK.
"Hold on there, david, what exactly do you mean when you say you'd rather lose Gorgon than CKD based on their roles."
Hmmm. Protects Gorgon.
"Going by instinct however, I've a generally bad feeling about Adele. Can't really explain it"
Hmmmm. Maybe she's your buddy.
"Also, discuss whether Gorgon should or should not reveal whether he phased out on nights."
Hmmm. Avoids forcing Gorgon, only discussion.
"But seriously though, what makes you think I'm the SK?"
Hmmmm. It's like, how did you catch me?
"Hmm? But the SK can use a power in addition to his NK."
Hmmmm. Acutely aware of SK etc.
"Yes, in fact, Gorgon is most likely to be the SK at this point, and a rather dangerous SK if so."
Hmmmm. Now that SHE's accused of being SK, suddenly, she stops defending Gorgon, she ACCUSES Gorgon.
"Or, Gorgon is the SK and he got Jailed."
Hmmm. Did she think of this all night when deciding who to kill?
"No, shaft.ed is also right. It could either be that the SK targetted a Jailed Gorgon or a Jailed Gorgon could not perform the SK kill."
Hmmmm. In the know, much?
"Don't be giving ideas for the SK, man."
Hmmm. Almost obsessed with SK.
"My targets were Adele and shaft.ed."
Hmmmm. I understand Adele, but why shafted? YOU never suspected shafted.
"I passed on my powers 'cause I thought the SK would kill me last night. The voices in my head are still screaming "Adele's scum!!!". No idea why."
Hmmm. Again that bizarre obsession with the SK.
"What about having ckd jail Gorgon every night from now on?"
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Yvonne Seer:
The only question I have regarding her, is whether she's the SK, or whether she's scum.
I would lean scum, because of the way she linked herself to some players, but completely ignored others.
She' linked to:
mathcam: early defense scumtell.
Gorgon: protects a lot in indirect ways scumtell.
Adele: thinks Adele is scum for no real reason, distancing scumtell.
shafted: strange night choice scumtell.
The manner in which she links herself to a short player list with either defense or baseless distancing screams scum to me, rather than SK.
The SK obsession is just weird. I think she's trying to look like she's looking hard for the SK, because she's the SK.
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Come to think of it, it's strange that the mafia didn't kill the doctor.
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The case against Gorgon underwhelms me.mathcam wrote:DGB: What do you think about the argument against Gorgon?
Yvonne is more likely scum/SK (I can't decide which), and will be a more informative lynch, because of the very well defined relationships she has with some players.
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Why aren't you voting? I would, if I were that convinced.Adele wrote:so I read that as a one-in-two chance, irrelevant of other factors, that Gorgon is the SK. Which is a pretty good D2 lynch.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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We're not on the same wavelength here. Adele seems pretty convinced, I wonder why she is not voting. Giving how convinced she seems.mathcam wrote:
So you're saying that you're less convinced? If so, what part of the argument do you not agree with or understand? If not, why aren't you voting?DrippingGoofball wrote:
Why aren't you voting? I would, if I were that convinced.Adele wrote:so I read that as a one-in-two chance, irrelevant of other factors, that Gorgon is the SK. Which is a pretty good D2 lynch.
Has nothing to do with how *I* feel about the case against Gorgon.
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Let me begin by stating that I am a bit concerned with a day that so far, has a single lynch candidate, and a single suspect, beyond the one I brought up (Yvonne Seer). Strategically speaking, it's a terrible idea to have days like that, because how are we going to be able to go back, and look at voting patterns, and root out the scum, if there's nothing but a single wagon? The wagon is also going a little too smoothly for my taste.mathcam wrote:DGB: Either you'renotconvinced by the Gorgon argument, and I'd like to know why (more than just "underwhelmed"), or youareconvinced by the Gorgon argument, and you're open to the same questions that you're asking Adele.
If I understand correctly (I often don't), part of the case against Gorgon is role-related. Well, I don't get this, because earlier on, I was chided for doing exactly that, which is evaluating players on the basis of their roles. I was told, no, no, no, the alignments are assigned independently of the roles. Maybe you can explain why *I* can't do this, but other players can, and get away with it, and even base actual votes on it. What I am not getting?
The part of the case about there not being an SK kill, and CKD having jailed Gorgon, I sorta get. However, no one is working very hard trying to find alternative explanations, and worse still, not every night choice has been revealed yet.
It's a strange wagon.
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@ CKD - might I ask for your comments on my post 806 above? Since you are rather convinced that Gorgon is a good lynch for today, can you read my post, and perhaps try to explain what I am missing (if you can figure it out!).
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When you get to be my age, you'll find it takes longer for notions to sink in. Sorry if I am forcing you to repeat.curiouskarmadog wrote:my case against Gorgon has nothing to do with his role (why do I feel like I am saying that repeatedly in this game). Gorgon was on my top two scum list for yesterday (as was shafted). Today, I find there was no SK kill which only feeds my suspicion about gorgon being scum.
YOUR case against Gorgon may not be role related, but aren't there other people that are adding role-related arguments? Like his role is most useful to a SK, for example? Didn't someone somewhere bring that up against Gorgon?
I ain't got a clue. The fact that you jailed Gorgon is evidence. Maybe part of my reluctance is that I have yet to examine Gorgon independently. Maybe I should do that.curiouskarmadog wrote:who do you think is the sk, dgb?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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It's in my profile... DOB...curiouskarmadog wrote:and how old are you anyway?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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I can't wrap my head around all that Syler business - maybe the fact I never watched the Heroes show has something to do with it, I dunno.Thestatusquo wrote:DGB, The reason people are not trying to find alternative explanations is that there ARE no alternative explanations. Well...One, but it's not very likely. Either Gorgon is syler, or he was sylers target last night. Thats it. The only other possible explanation with this setup is that the SK chose not to kill, and that just makes no sense to me.
Mmmmm.
Well. Alright then. If there are no alternative explanations. I'll trust that you guys what you're talking about.
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OK, I checked the OP. Sylar is some sort of superdooper SK. Got it.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Ahhhhh...Thestatusquo wrote:It actually has nothing to do with the character...It only has to do with the role. The only thing that can stop a SK kill in this setup is the jailing.
Ahhhhh...Thestatusquo wrote:Thats in the mechanics of this game. Therefore, since there was no SK kill last night leaves two possibilities, either Gorgon is the SK, and was prevented by being jailed last night, or he is not, and the SK tried to kill him last night. This gives him a 50-50% chance of being the SK.
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Cicero, I'm going to have to wait for TSQ to come in and explain your post to me.cicero wrote:I'd love to say more. I havent thought of anything more to say. How about this: The Gorgon lynch worries me just because that role is something Sylar might want. That being said, there was something about the way Yvonne swooped in that made me think maybe we'd caught scum anyway. A feeble contribution, I know. I will look for more.
If Sylar would want the Gorgon role, why would lynching Gorgon worry you?
What was it about Yvonne that you refer to as "swooping in?"
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Aaaaahhhh... now I get it.
When you wrote:
"The Gorgon lynch worries me just because that role is something Sylar might want"
I thought you meant:
"The Gorgon lynch worries me just because that role is something Sylar might want"
My bad.
I should have understood:
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Nah, just searching for my own personal Holy Grail, The Funniest Player LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT Award.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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LIST OF PLAYERS TOO CHICKEN TO HAMMER THE OBVIOUS:
Adele
shaft.ed
YvonneSeer
The Fonz
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Yvonne pushed for a Gorgon lynch, then sat back, lurked, and at the end of the day, didn't compromise herself on the Gorgon wagon.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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With pleasure.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 535#906535
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You participated actively in the initial arguments for lynching Gorgon. Then you backed off, suggesting that CKD jail Gorgon every night, rather than we lynch Gorgon. Perhaps you knew Gorgon wasn't a scumbuddy of yours? That's what I'm thinking at the moment.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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What? I'm a watcher? What's a watcher, then?curiouskarmadog wrote:shafted I think before you next post, you need to take a moment and read the game...
read DGB's role
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That's what I thought. Then I don't know what CKD is saying.cicero wrote:No DGB - Adele is now a watcher because Yvonne targetted her. You are a dampener. Now: who did you dampen?
How come Adele is a watcher now, I don't get that from Yvonne's role.
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He's asking for replacement in all his games, see GD.shaft.ed wrote:And Shea since his role is to do nothing. Speaking of which.....
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Absolutely. Yvonne and Adele are going down in flames. In my book, reluctance to claim when under pressure is a huge scumtell. Going last two days in row? I don't think so. I'm surprised cicero is going along with this, which is suspicious.curiouskarmadog wrote:I am curious why one of the first things she said today was "I thought I go last"...was that the plan that was stated yesterday? Yvonne always goes last? I saw where Adele had mentioned that Yvonne should go last yesterday but am I missing where anyone said she should go last everyday.
Furthermore, Yvonne's reluctance is so scummy that it almost doesn't matter who she targeted at this point.
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I have chimed in with a vote. Claim, Yvonne.cicero wrote:Of course. My point was that if Yvonne is waiting for them to chime in we'll be here until doomsday.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Exactly. That's why she's next in line. I'm waiting.shaft.ed wrote:Her reluctance to claim is interesting.
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In all situations. Including this one.
Reluctance to claim is a mega scumtell.
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I asked Seol what would happen if I targeted TSQ. You know. If I make him less vanilla, maybe he'd acquire a random power. The answer was "no" so, blah. But I decided to target TSQ anyway, in case someone could verify that I targeted him and he didn't die.curiouskarmadog wrote:DGB..your turn.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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*smack*curiouskarmadog wrote:DGB?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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I had already answered when you posted the question... Look back!curiouskarmadog wrote:
was this an answer? you are last.DrippingGoofball wrote:
*smack*curiouskarmadog wrote:DGB?
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I don't fit in that category, but Yvonne is light years ahead of any other player right now in the scum race.curiouskarmadog wrote:Some of you are really good analytical players and should be realizing that I am not really the play today.
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I'm devastated, TSQ is the only one that can explain things to me. He's irreplaceable.curiouskarmadog wrote:also Mod, given that it is 5 to lynch, and we only have 5 townies..how is that replacement for shea coming?
@Yvonne - My case against you was laid out yesterday. Plus today, you added more ammo to it by repeatedly delaying claiming your target. Huge scumtell in my book.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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That's rubbish, Yvonne, because I expect the scum would be acutely concerned with getting rid of Sylar. But then you weren't certain that Gorgon was the SK, so that you didn't want to compromise yourself voting for him, because he might have been a townie.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Her post was made at 3:46, yours at 3:49. One minute to find her post, one minute to read it, one minute to type, 10 seconds to check for typos and for the post request to the fetch the server, leaves you with basically less than ZERO seconds to THINK about what she wrote.cicero wrote:I just did some re-reading and have been keeping up. I'm pretty much convinced Yvonne is TOWN.
The cases against her are crap. And her defenses are kicking your asses and taking your names.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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I'm not sure I get this.shaft.ed wrote:I think it's even better with Adele because the whole group gets a clearly confirmed alibi.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Hmmmmm. I think I'm beginning to see the light, here.cicero wrote:Last night Shaft.ed would obviously have given Adele motivation powers because it is the most pro-town move. If Adele is scum, getting those powers is a handicap because she's forced to use them in an ostensibly pro-town way.
So what happens instead? CKD does the most anti-town thing available. He blocks Adel from both receiving a motivating power and from watching. If CKD is scum, that means his partner can do the kill.
The incentive for scum to jail her was there irrespective of her alignment.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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DrippingGoofball Mafia Piñata
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If that's the case, why are some players considering "no lynch?"shaft.ed wrote:Not to keep harping on this but the Doc can't self protect. If The Fonz is the only protector left then scum kill him game over.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet-
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And you're sure that nothing can go wrong?cicero wrote:We go into the next day 4-3. If we lynch wrong today then scum kills and we go into tomorrow 3-3 (barring a doc protect.)
Scum has no reason to no-kill?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet-
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Why on Earth would you point something like that out? Especially since with 2 watchers around, and having a pretty dumb role, I'm not bloody likely to be doc-protected.The Fonz wrote:Theoretically, if she's town, there's no reason for scum not to take a shot at her, since no one can be watched killing herParaphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet-
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DrippingGoofball Mafia Piñata
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It's OK, you won't be NK'd, not with Fonzie here helping the scum by nailing a target on the back of my head.curiouskarmadog wrote:yet no one seems to be worried if I get NKed...(sigh)Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet-
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