A couple of Q's: what would a tracking result on Oman look like?
If JDodge were scum, and targetted someone watched by Yvonne for a nightkill, would that show up, or not? Because the watcher power wouldn't actually be targetted at him, but it is a power ability.
What powers fall into category six? I'm assuming investigations, what else?
I feel willing to lynch Oman today. I'm also rather concerned about I dislike ZONEACE's assertion that it should be TSQ or no-one, since I feel Zoneace is ignoring the point that certain roles are more valuable in the hands of scum than town, which would actually make them better 'blind lynches' than Shea. Not that I am in any way supporting a blind lynch, since I feel there is a decent case on a couple of people. The Zoneace/Shea pissing match is annoying, but not lynchworthy in either case.
On Oman:
I find very scummy the way he claims to be being wagonned solely on his role. That's a strawman.
Also, it strikes me that this is not the usual 'Oman being wagonned for his playstyle' occurrence. I've seen a lot of town Oman, and he seems to be acting notably different here. I find it a lot harder to see a pro-town rationale for his actions than I usually do.
THe contradiction between seemingly being very keen on passing his own powers to Adele, then cautioning against giving her investigative powers, is noteworthy.
HATE this.
The only way that is true is if you're scum.Oman wrote:I will lie through my teeth if i feel it gives me a better chance at winning this game.
He lists an inactive on his 'willing to lynch' list, that sets all my alarms ringing. Shaft.ed's 373 sets this out perfectly.
I don't like his move onto ZA, which seems like the easy counterwagon to his own.
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On CKD:
Dislike 318. Seems like an attempt to allege scumminess on the basis of semantic imprecision.
Don't like the way he seems to make out that taking role into account is a bad idea. The 'don't like people telling me what to do' argument doesn't fly, because arguing for or against any course of action pretty much requires you to advise the other players in the game to support the same thing.
CKD wrote: I am pretty sure our scum (in this game) are quietly sitting back
This is often an argument forwarded by scum when their own buddies are very much not sitting back, but the centre of attention. I know I've done it.
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On tonight's actions:
I broadly agree with the have 'Nathan target me, or an investigative role, and have that role target Peter' plan. An investigative role on a scum is actually a liability for that player, as Adele's explained pretty well. If y'all are really worried about that, though, have Nathan target me. There is absolutely no use to a doc power on a scum- if Adele is Sylar, she can't self-protect anyway, and if she's mafia, well, it's not like mafia are going to target other mafia for their NK.
I'd like to ask that Yvonne seriously consider targetting me tonight. As I can't use my powers if killed, and there's no way of protecting me without rendering my powers useless, whilst ANYONE else targetted could be under my protection, I'm a very likely mafia kill tonight, all else being equal. If I'm being watched, then the mafia has the choice of leaving me alive or giving up one of their number to remove me. (Worst case scenario is Yvonne is scum, but even then, if I die, she is forced to either name the actual culprit, or die herself).
Also, as a last note, I hate the suggestion that cops should claim vanilla in other games to avoid NK. That's precisely the situation where I think it's most anti-town, and LAL is most appropriate. But this is who Shea is, so I guess I have to shrug my shoulders.